Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Delirium on March 04, 2006, 09:05:40 AM
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Something for bombers to hit, besides FHs.
'Nuff said...
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Agreed. Will get fighter jocks off our back for hitting FHs and ruining their fun.
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That would be asking to much.
Knights last night ran 2 large buff raids on A9. First one I discovered wondering why there was a large dar bar and found at least 15-20 boxes of buffs with many 51 escort planes. Ended up being one of the only ones that went against this force and I at the time was in a jet. They ended up flattening 9. They ended up taking the base but we took it right back while ostys camping their field (got 18 in my osty camping them in their take off hanger :t ).
A hour or two later, knights do the same exact thing. Except this time they brought more buffs and more escorts. We had a little bit more rooks to meet them but to now avail they hurt 9 pretty bad again.
Didnt help either that each time these buffs were so close together that trying to attack them is stupid as them lazer guns can hit anything.
Thought it was odd as well on the second wave they did, I sat behind a 24 and sprayed 200 rounds from a nik into the dead 6 of a 24. As he takes off my tail after I put 200 rounds in that I find that not a single thing of damage was put on the 24. Find it a little rediculous that putting 200 rounds from a nik put no damage into that 24.
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You mean guys were actually using Buffs the way they were designed to be flown? Not jabboing from Lancasters?! :eek:
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Prime example... I log on at 1am est to the MA. I fight for a bit, and the FH get killed. I up 5 minutes later when one of them comes up, and the map resets.
On the next map, I flew for about an hour... in that time, the FH were killed 3 times.
I do have some sympathy, the buff dweebs something to do... HQ is too hard and too well defended and stat targets are a waste of time. They are simply hitting the one thing that affects gameplay, but it affects it in a negative way.
Sure, sure.. they are only down for 15 minutes, but in that time the fight usually turns into a vulch which equates to a dead fight.
I'd say either change the number of planes that can up from a FH damaged/destroyed field, increase hanger hardness, or lower the regen time on hangers to sub-10 minutes.
edit: or put a wind layer at 7k to limit the 20k+ buffs from killing a field.
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Or...the fighter hangers should be indestructible.
Or...all the bombers should be removed from the game.
Or...we should just live with it because it's the way HTC wants it.
:rolleyes:
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Yeah, we should let the bomber kiddies pee in someone else's pool
without comment..might hurt their feelings or something.
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20k+ buffs from killing a field.
why 20k? I fly at 30k in B-24's
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Originally posted by Hoarach
That would be asking to much.
I sat behind a 24 and sprayed 200 rounds from a nik into the dead 6 of a 24. As he takes off my tail after I put 200 rounds in that I find that not a single thing of damage was put on the 24. Find it a little rediculous that putting 200 rounds from a nik put no damage into that 24.
If thats your normal attack against bombers you should prepare to spend a lot of time coming down without your airplane.
The cold hard fact is that B24's are durable planes, and shooting the back of the fuselage isn't going to hurt him much. The other cold hard fact is that 18x .50's (the 6 guns facing aft times 3 planes in the formation) do more damage than your 4 20mm's. You lost fair and square because you sat on his tail and prayed for the best.
B24's go down nice and easy if you concentrate your fire on the inboard engine on either side. The wing will shear off quickly. A spit 9 can do it so I'm quite certain a nik can.
But never sit right in that cone of fire on the tail of any bomber, its suicide.
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I usually attack from the high clocks usually 4-8 clock high and occasional low 12. But I aimed at the inboard engine. I didnt expect to live anyways as the buffs were close together. But when spray 200 at the inboard engine and no damage I think something wrong with that picture.
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Originally posted by Delirium
Something for bombers to hit, besides FHs.
'Nuff said...
BH, VH ord troops radar strat town hq cv VH bace a port ack guns trees planes takeing off gvs support ships fuel bunkers resupply trains-convoys? we have enough.
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Originally posted by viper215
BH, VH ord troops radar strat town hq cv VH bace a port ack guns trees planes takeing off gvs support ships fuel bunkers resupply trains-convoys? we have enough.
None of the above are worth while/ Oh and bomb vulching, that would go over real well on a grand scale.
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I have done it:D
hey you cant lose ifthe other guy dont have a chance.
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Bombers Bombers Bombers..
And the cry babies get deeper and deeper
Remember the old strat when Bombers could hurt the whole area by taking down the fuel strat? No... you don't remember that because you're a new cry baby.
Oh for the hay day of bombers in AH... When you could make a difference. When you could hit a strat fuel and pork fuel to the whole region... Those are the days I miss. Back when being a solid bomber pilot meant something.
Today you cry because your FH is down for 15 minutes... Oh, WOE ON TO YOU! What true pity to suffer for 15 minutes. It wasn't that long ago a bomber could pork your fuel for hours.
If you ask me, that is how it should be. Bombers were a SERIOUS threat in WWII. They could set you back by YEARS. But in AH today they are nothing more then an annoyance.
So, to all you bomber hating cry babies... STFU. I wish WISH that hitech would let me release the fire I with which I used to be able to shut down your show... I would love for old strat to come back.
You don't know what pain is. Having your hanger down for 15 minutes was nothing in the face of having your fuel supply at 25% for a couple hours.
It just goes to show (Hitech, read this part) that no matter how easy you make the game, some freakin cry baby will show up to moan about it.
Give me OLD MA with meaningful strat... And give me OLD DA with KOTH!
Buff Dweeb here? No.. I'll be happy to duel in a single engine... But Buff's have a place in this game and its been degraded far enough.
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Kurt, I tried to be as cordial as possible but instead, you have to flame.
1. I've been here a long time, I flew under a different name... trying to think of a date, but it was definitely before Chogs were perked, and 205s were everywhere.
2. Yep, i remember the fuel damage... so negatively affected gameplay it was changed. FH destruction may change too...
3. This is a game... not all of us 'get off' by killing the same stuff that available to egg offline, but by going after human opponents. When is the last time you saw a Toolshed or a You from a Toolshed?
4. How much can HTC make the game easy? You tell me... instead of leave the complicated bomb site in place, they replaced it with the easy, no work bomb site. Some guys have spent years (including myself) to learn ACM, why bother when a 10 minute practice in a buff can own the arena?
Kurt, never once did I flame the bomber pilots... like I said, i have some sympathy because they have so few targets that haven't been hardened beyond belief and the stat system is broken.
Go flame someone else... this is a wishlist.
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wOw... see if you can find a way to take that personally and be deeply offended.... Jeeps.
I'm not a toolshed only pilot, but thanks for your confidence.
I miss the old bomb site more than you'll ever know... Largely because my squad annual championship used to include a bomber challenge... But now that any 4th grader can pikle barrel a bomb from 96 million feet its rather redundant.
But none the less, you don't think your remark that at "ten minute practice in a buff can own the arena?" Is just a small bit absurd?
Come on, like buffs are this indestructable force?
All it takes to stem the 'buff' tide is a few fighters willing to go above 15k feet and choose anything other than a dead six attack.
I just don't think it is as out of balance as you are trying to say it is. Anyone who choses to kill a bomber can kill it more easily than the same bomber can kill those precious FH's.
Bombers aren't out of balance. They are just something that some people don't like... Not different from GV's, Ships, airplanes... Heck, you name it.. Some one in this game doesn't like it.
It is really no different than all the dummies who can't figure out that the way to defeat a ME262 is to turn your plane.
Nothing in AH is over powered... Its just that some of the players are under-brained.
And if the old strat system was back, the bombers would have something other than FH's to hit.
It just seems to me that what you're saying is that you want bombers to go do something irrelevant to the game... Because when they hit your FH its kind of inconvienient...And that my friend is just a bit selfish. Because the bomber pilots are just as into this game as anyone else. Why should they be punished?
You want the FH to live... Fine, get up there and shoot the bombers. But if you want bombers to hit something else, then put something on the table that impacts the game...
wishing bombers would go attack vacant chess boards is absurd.. the fact is that bomber pilots impact the game by taking out FH's... They used to do it by hitting strat, but the rules changed, and thus so did the tactics...
Would you prefer that they drop pillows?
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Bombers are easy to shoot down if you know how. If you don't, well....
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Heheheh I have been around the flight sim game (AW, ck, wb, ah, AND NOW ahII) a long time (CUPID was BigJim for years prior to that it was a tail number that I can't remember and now this one cause I wasn't sure I could get BigJim back after having been gone for 8 years).
Buffs have always been and always will be a tough situation in the sim world, them that likes em say that they have nothing to do and are to easy to kill, them that hates em say that they do too much and are too tough to kill.
I think Dale has tried about every method he could think of to "solve" this problem, this last rendition being about the best I have seen not too tough but not too easy either (this is MUCH better than the WB's otto guns).
I had thought that the .50's in the rear had been increased in lethality but I was wrong and Dale explained the phenomina of why it seems that way.
That said we STILL to this day see some guys using Buffs in the old AW "deathstar" role and a new one I hadn't seen before "as dive bombers"
which only goes to show that in the MA no matter what they do to make it real, some guys will find the cracks and game the game.
Jim "Boxboy" Harrison
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Wow, look at me rant! I really gotta stop coming to this board when I've had vodka.
I don't disagree with anything I said above, so I'm not retracting it, but I didn't mean to be such a punk about it. Sorry Del.
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Originally posted by Kurt
I don't disagree with anything I said above, so I'm not retracting it, but I didn't mean to be such a punk about it. Sorry Del.
Well you sure came off like one. lol.
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Originally posted by Stang
Well you sure came off like one. lol.
Hey, I can't be all that bad, I've never had one of my posts edited by Skuzzy or anything like that... :noid
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Originally posted by Kurt
But none the less, you don't think your remark that at "ten minute practice in a buff can own the arena?" Is just a small bit absurd?
Come on, like buffs are this indestructable force?
What do you think? Check my buff score. How long do you think I practiced? So far I have missed one time this tour due to a hit from puffy ack (if you could imagine that)
Yes, HT did make it easyer. Easyer for the buffs.
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Originally posted by Kurt
I don't disagree with anything I said above, so I'm not retracting it, but I didn't mean to be such a punk about it. Sorry Del.
Hey, no problem... I didn't disagree with what you said either, just how you said it. :)
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How about lining the bunkers up in neat little rows, and softening them so that the lightest load of ord carried by a fighter would be sufficient to disable ord?
That's pretty much the reverse of the situation we've had for years. Then, after a few years of bomber fans complaining about not having ord enabled, and being unable to fly bombers, we could relocate 1 bunker to an opposite corner of the field, so that a maximum of 2 passes would be required to knock ordnance down again.
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Originally posted by Hoarach
That would be asking to much.
Knights last night ran 2 large buff raids on A9. First one I discovered wondering why there was a large dar bar and found at least 15-20 boxes of buffs with many 51 escort planes. Ended up being one of the only ones that went against this force and I at the time was in a jet. They ended up flattening 9. They ended up taking the base but we took it right back while ostys camping their field (got 18 in my osty camping them in their take off hanger :t ).
A hour or two later, knights do the same exact thing. Except this time they brought more buffs and more escorts. We had a little bit more rooks to meet them but to now avail they hurt 9 pretty bad again.
Didnt help either that each time these buffs were so close together that trying to attack them is stupid as them lazer guns can hit anything.
Thought it was odd as well on the second wave they did, I sat behind a 24 and sprayed 200 rounds from a nik into the dead 6 of a 24. As he takes off my tail after I put 200 rounds in that I find that not a single thing of damage was put on the 24. Find it a little rediculous that putting 200 rounds from a nik put no damage into that 24.
It seems impossible that you did not do some damage, but likely that it wasn't in a critical area. Depends how far away you are and where you hit them.