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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: mrfish on October 11, 2001, 07:34:00 PM
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lol - what did he say?
woo hoo, it's the birth of a new buzz-phrase. people will be using that in their daily speech tomorrow as if they'd been using it their whole lives!
"oh yeah, she's a woman of cover of course...why? what do you call them?"
i wonder if a committee was formed to create that term before the president introduced it in his speech?
i love watching the government wordsmiths at work
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ps- great speech btw, i just thought that was a funny new buzz phrase, and i saw it born. :)
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you cant honestly thing that was a great speech?
i am a republican but i think bush is kind of a joke. why he ran for president is beyond me. i honestly have better public speakers in my engineering schools! it is truly painful for me to watch him.. how many times are we going to hear "smoke them out of their holes"
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I dunno Zig, I liked the interaction he had with the reporters.
I'll say this, when he emphasizes a point, I sense he honestly feels what he is saying, whereas previous presidents and most politicians in general you get the feeling they are just trying to avoid A.)bad polling answers, B.) Jail, C.) Lawsuit, or D.) all of the above!
Just my opinion, but with each of these press conferences, he seems to be catching his stride a little more.
Reagan was definately the great communicator, but you just knew he had no idea of what he was really saying. George Sr., just didn't give a warm and fuzzy public appearance....Clinton..hehe, maybe too warm and fuzzy..you just knew he was trying to say something that would reflect well in the overnight polls, whether he believed it or not.
Cobra
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fair enough i guess.
great speech as in - it was effective in coming across as real to me the listener.
i don't really want someone who's too good at the 'craft' of rhetoric. i turn off the speaker as a rainmaker as soon as they start 'feeling my pain' and defining what 'is' is....
your apparant position on leadership models reminds me of some of the hiring policies at a company i used to work for:
we'd just hire the slickest most charasmatic people who knew the latest industry buzzwords, had the most polished physique, luxury condo in the appropriate part of town, rode the little stupid scooter, had an office full of toys,wore trendy technicolor clothes and took everyone else who mattered to the best lunch spot. little wonder they couldn't change a lightbulb much less run a company.
i like having a real person there who sweats, cries and breathes heavy when he's stressed over a slick master of rhetoric who looks like a plastic model regardless of the situation.
<soundbite>
it's not a sign of weakness, it's a sign that he's a human!
</soundbite>
he gave specifics and seemed genuine, often giving his impressions and insights rather than the psychologist approved positive attitude roadkill pep talk he could have given- who cares about the technical side of it ....ingle use analogies,cadence,hand language blah blah blah - he just spoke his mind and i like that.
we are in a new era where we'd better cut the roadkill to a minimum, he's the right leader for that and i'm proud i voted for him despite how trendy it is to hate him and his father among the cool crowd.
i realize he is trying to paint bin ladin as a neanderthal with all the cave refernces and so on but that's probably the way he really feels about the guy so i can't be too critical of that spin. maybe you could give him a new metaphor zigrat. :)
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He used the term before this speech.
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BTW I think out President is doing a great job.
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I didn't vote for him, I try to not snicker every time he says 'make no mistake'; I figure my old cat was at least as smart as he is on a good day.. the new cat's a rocket scientist by comparison.
But he's my president, we're at war and on the attack, the guy is truly pissed about this, he's giving it 100%; doing a surprisingly good job of relying on and working through what is a pretty sharp team of folks supporting and guiding him..
The fact he's an bellybutton is immaterial.
He's the Guy with the Job, and the Job's gotta be done. I'm with him.
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islam is stuck in the 6 century, time to drag them into the 21st century
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Yah. Lets bring back the Spanish Inquistion.
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They wouldn't expect that, Hangtime! :)
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he speaks from the heart, maybe not a clearly as some would like but for once in the last 9 years, we have a Pres that says what he means and means what he says.
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I like him. He talks like a guy who is talking to the average Joe and not some room full of lawyers and ivory tower types. The presidency should be looked at vie the results... not the smoothness of the talker. We had a smooth talker...
xBAT
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Hihihi, he is also reusing figures of speech etc first invinted by his fathers writer. Maybe it's the same dude, wouldn't surprise me.
Personally, I think Bush has dine a very fine job so far. He's clearly coached quite effectively, and he's also clearly taking and acting on the advice of the administration seniors.
That he doesn't seem like the brightest bulb of 'um all is a bit disconcerting, but I'm not sure he needs to be. He just needs to be a figure that can unite the American people, and keep 'um united.
I just hope this whole affair doesn't mean that he can sneak by all his silly laws under cover of it all.
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Stay the course.
I thought he did better during the question/answer session than during his opening statement.
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Okay, I missed the speech, so maybe I'm missing context... or maybe I'm just dumb...
what the hell does 'women of cover' mean?
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Hang, you got a new cat? :)
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kratzer - it's the spanking new politically correct phrase they cooked up to desribe moslem women that wear that thing on their head. i had to listen closely because i thought he was saying 'women of color' biut that's part of the effeciveness of the new term - it is similar to an existing pc phrase with all kinds of existing meaning and social baggage.
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Wilfrid: "They wouldn't expect that, Hangtime!
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NOBODY expects the spanish inquisition! quick - the comfy chair.... :D
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also - i think i agree with whoever said - his remarks were better than his statement. i am lumping it inaccurately when i say i liked his speech. each answer was like a mini-speech and i guess that's what i mean :)
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i dsidnt watch his responses to reporters, so i cant comment on that. for me, it was so painful to watch the opening statement that i switched to the gatech football game. you guys say you dont want a slick person, but as the representative of the us people i would like our president to come off as being intelligent. if our leader isn't that bright, what does it say about the rest of us?? my sister's valedictory address from high school really was better delivered than any speech i have seen bush deliver so far, and to me that is disconcerting, policy or no policy.
dont get me wrong he has done a good job handling this crisis so far, but IMO the leader of the free world should be an exceptional orator.
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I love the thought process:
If someone is inteligent and articulate: he's a liar with an agenda.
If someone is a simpleton with lack of basic vocabulary: he's honest.
I love you guys :) You provide so much entertainment... :D
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Hehe....don't so modest as to leave at your contribution to the entertainment relief, fdski....especially with your last post. :D
Cobra
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thanks mrfish. :)
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NOBODY expects the spanish inquisition! quick - the comfy chair....
Hehhehhe.. yah we need Steve Martin back in his pointy hat for the 'duration of this crisis."
That'll put the fear of God in those heratic bastards.
;)
p.s. I'm glad the Poles are finding us entertaining. We owe 'em for all those unwarranted and uncouth polish jokes we got to enjoy at their expense over the years.
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LOL Cobra!
I posted before that the last election that both left and right 'held their noses when they went to the booth'...but I am pleasantly surprized at the job Mr.Bush is doing. Better than I thought. An intelligent guy that lies is certainly scarier than a guy not as intelligent and is faith based, but hey, thats MY opinion.
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Zigrat
go have a coffee/conversation with a local car salesman then go do the same with your average policeman or fireman. Tell me who speaks better. Tell me who you trust more. Speaking perfectly is not a requirement of a good leader, honesty & honor ranks much higher in my book. Nor is it a sign of overall intelligence. At least Bush knows what "is" is...
Hope none of you guys sell cars for a living :)
[ 10-12-2001: Message edited by: Eagler ]
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Originally posted by fd ski:
If someone is inteligent and articulate: he's a liar with an agenda.
I assume you are implying Clinton here.
If you are, I would strike that "intelligent" statement from that line.
Not only was he having problems with what sex means, he has problems with other basic words in the English vocabulary.
He had to have them defined by congress. He thought he was slick, most other Americans thought he was a maroon.
-SW
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*sigh*
Squabble; squabble; squabble.
Slick Willie is HISTORY.
The Bozo driving the bus now is not unexpectedly a bozo driving the bus. As long as it looks like he knows where he's goin, and we're on the way to the right place; it don't matter which bozo is driving the bus.
So, fer chrissakes, just sit down, shut up and hold on. We'll get there.
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Hang, I firmly believe Bush is as equally a maroon as Clinton was.
But, he's our leader for now. And now we're at war, so it just makes more sense to back him and trust he will do things right.
-SW
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Heh. Does anyone actually believe that Bush is running this administration?
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.. which is pretty much what I said in my first post in this thread..
The fact he's an bellybutton is immaterial.
He's the Guy with the Job, and the Job's gotta be done. I'm with him
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I know, I was stating my position.
-SW
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Originally posted by popeye:
Heh. Does anyone actually believe that Bush is running this administration?
Does anyone ever believe that one president runs his own administration? if they did, you have whats known as dictatorship.
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Um...the Congress and Courts might object to a dictatorship. Well, maybe not the Supreme Court... ;)
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Originally posted by popeye:
Um...the Congress and Courts might object to a dictatorship. Well, maybe not the Supreme Court... ;)
Ahh, still bitter eh? Hehe, well, rest assured, if they had cast out all the "Dead People" votes, and convicts, it would have been a sweep both popular vote and electorial. ;)
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oh p'shaw....
his detractors couldn't find a better angle than to pick on his 'texasness' because people equate 'down-hominess' with stupid.
his 'stupidity' is another media creation, i mean here's a guy who went to harvard AND yale, can fly a f-105 thunderchief, acted as a ceo of a major company, acted as governor and now president. how bout you!?
still there's some genious at a cell phone sales booth in the mall calling bush stupid in between his "excuse me sir, i'd like to tell you about an exciting special offer" pitches. yeah...lol :)
i know the line about - well his money got him thru school etc but a lot of those people saying that didnt even go to school themselves so they really don't know 'what it takes'. i love it when peeople who've never sweated over a calculus III exam sit around talking about how easy college is from their lofty perch in front of the tube.
besides can you imagine being scrutinized by the world for any slip up like he is? he fielded those questions with all the right answers and made news for the reporters at the same time.
don't believe the hype or better yet - state something he has done that is stupid instead of just launching into accusations. lets have specific cases otherwise you're just following the herd and regurgitating packaged opinion - and that's a yawner.
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Originally posted by mrfish:
oh p'shaw....
his 'stupidity' is another media creation, i mean here's a guy who went to harvard AND yale, can fly a f-105 thunderchief, acted as a ceo of a major company, acted as governor and now president. how bout you!?
still there's some genious at a cell phone sales booth in the mall calling bush stupid in between his "excuse me sir, i'd like to tell you about an exciting special offer" pitches. yeah...lol :)
Somebody give this man a cigar!
Nice Post, I'm with ya.
BTW, one of our greatest Presidents, who kept the union together thru a civil war was also a VERY awkward fella. His voice pitched from one tone to another, he was a head taller than anyone else, walked funny, and his face, well, you've seen it.
Abraham Lincoln was very awkward, but one of our greatest.
(of course, I'm from Alabama, so I'm supposed to dislike him, but I can't bring myself to it. :))
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his 'stupidity' is another media creation, i mean here's a guy who went to harvard AND yale, can fly a f-105 thunderchief, acted as a ceo of a major company, acted as governor and now president. how bout you!?
Sorry can't let this one fly :D
If your daddy was a millionare, you could go to Yale and Harward.
In case you've never been to any of the finer schools of this country, here it how it works:
part of students are rich kids, who pay overblown tuition so that it can pay for poor talented kids. Communism at its best..
Flew F105 eh? Funny that noone seems to remember him even serving with the unit....
Acted as a CEO ? Company went bancrupt in case you didn't notice..
And his governor job in Texas, i can't comment on, but i wouldn't be suprized if he had a corporate-brains-for-hire running the show for him then just as he does now..
Wuflie - i made no such suggestion. You're the one who did.
You would have to be very naive to think that "judgement of American people" proves Bush to be even in a range of Clinton, brainpower wise.
Just because he liked to screw around, doesn't make him stupid, makes him weak. But if you wanna talk weaknesses, let's talk alcohol and drugs, shell we ?
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Originally posted by fd ski:
You would have to be very naive to think that "judgement of American people" proves Bush to be even in a range of Clinton, brainpower wise.
I don't know where that came from. Simply looking at Clinton's track record will prove exactly how poor of a president he was.
Originally posted by fd ski:
Just because he liked to screw around, doesn't make him stupid, makes him weak. But if you wanna talk weaknesses, let's talk alcohol and drugs, shell we ?
No, the fact that he lied about screwing around makes him stupid. Then the hundred pages of "could you define this word for me" makes him even stupider.
If you think that alchohol or drugs makes someone weak, toejam... I guess that 90% of the human population is weak.
Nevermind the fact that they are used very rarely, you obviously dodge that. Simply using them makes you weak, right?
Man, must be a heavy weight holding you down because you are so "strong".
Strength is subjective, I could define real strength to you. There are people very strong, a lot stronger than you, that like to have a drink or smoke a little dope- but I guess that makes them weak... well to you anyway.
-SW
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the guy my aunt married was from a rich missouri family. his father and his father went to yale and more importantly were huge contributing alumni - he graduated in '68 but only barely.
the reality is that your rich daddy can get you in - but everyone there comes from a rich daddy - you still have to make the grade on your own and under tremendous pressure. there is a pride there and you have to succeed on your own...keep in mind, regardless of how you got there you will still emerge with a great education and money doesnt automatically get you that.
the entire oil industry went under not just bush - do you think whitewater was a sound "intelligent" investment?
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How bout:
Mr. Clinton, have you smoked marijuana?
Yes, er uhh, but I didn't inhale!
At least Bush was smart enough to say when asked if he'd used illegal drugs, "it's none of your business", and the issue faded away despite the media trying to make it look like he was hiding something.
Now I feel like I'm Clinton bashing, which I try not to do. Just trying to point out that people who appear intelligent are really just smooth talkers. I mean, getting a hummer in the oval office was very stupid. The room where JFK conducted business during the Cuban Missile Crisis, and Bill is getting his cookies off with some 20 yr old girl.
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[sarcasm]but mrfish, the money can buy you the grade! Don't you know that ALL professors are greedy and will give you an A for money![/sarcasm]
Money just pays the tuition people. It doesn't get you INTO the school and it definitely doesn't MAKE your grades. It might get a few professors to give you a good grade, but others would have your bellybutton thrown out of school in a heartbeat, regardless of who your daddy is.
Now I will admit that some colleges and/or universities will go easy on some individuals and groups to get them through if it serves the college's agenda. I've seen it happen first hand. It wasn't about money from the alumni or the student's parents though...
mrfish, why'd you have to bring up Calc III? *shudders* that was the most heinous final I've ever had...
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Originally posted by Nifty:
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mrfish, why'd you have to bring up Calc III? *shudders* that was the most heinous final I've ever had...[/QB]
lol sorry. i was being kind, i mean i could have said concepts of number systems or ordinary differential equa...err, well never mind i won't be that cruel.
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actually, my ODE prof was a LOT nicer on the final than my Calc III prof. There were 5 questions on my Calc III final. ONE person got ONE question right, and that was my roommate. lol.
I got the Calc III prof again for Linear Algebra, and I was deathly afraid of the final. Turned out to be a breeze. :)
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nifty, mrfish, be quiet, you're making my noggin ache.
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