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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: funkedup on October 12, 2001, 12:42:00 PM
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I think a bio warfare attack constitutes a weapon of mass destruction. And US policy has always been to reply in kind to any such attack. If they can trace this to Afghanistan, there could be a glowing glass parking lot coming soon over there. :(
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I believe you are right, especially if its widespread, say, 100 or more.
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Are you referring to the Anthrax cases?
I thought they didn't know where it came from?
I only know of 3 people who got it, 2 from American Media and another that I don't recall where it was.
Do you have any other news on it?
Thanks.
-SW
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Guys... due to the "bio" scare of the media right now, typical cases that are never reported are now being reported. Dont freak yet.
Even if they do hit us w/it...i dont see us nuking them unless its on-par w/a nuke strike in devastation.
xBAT
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3 case of it at American media (3rd was a woman) and 1 case of "Skin type" anthrax at NBC in Downtown New York City today.
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I got a feeling it's gonna be more than 3 cases.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort:
1 case of "Skin type" anthrax at NBC in Downtown New York City today.
What's that? The only thing I know about Anthrax is that it is basically a cold when it first starts out (maybe flu), after about 6-8 days it will start to shut down your unconscious bodily functions (heart/lungs) and that's when you are no more.
I heard reports that the anthrax strain found in the one man who died in Florida (have the other 2 survived? Or are they going to die too?) was in fact a non-natural form of the virus.
Of course xBat is right, however, there have only been 19 cases of Anthrax in a long while in the US... and 4 in the past week?
-SW
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The pulmonary anthrax (where the spores get in your lungs) occur in only 10% of the cases involving the anthrax bacteria (spelling edit). The skin anthrax comprises the other 90%. Basically, you get some nasty lesions that when they ulcerate have a nice black core (anthrax comes from the Greek word for coal). The lady in NYC contracted skin anthrax. The 1st case in Florida was pulmonary and he died. The 2nd case had the spores in his nasal passages but didn't develop pulmonary anthrax last I read.
The lady in NYC received a letter with a powdery substance on Sept 25th. The powder tested NEGATIVE for Anthrax, yet now she has a case of skin Anthrax (rash and a mild fever, she'll be just fine.) Dunno what to think on that...
[ 10-12-2001: Message edited by: Nifty ]
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I got some news for you guys. For years we were a known as a "retaliatory strike only" nation when it came to using atomic power and bio/chem weapons. We had stockpiles of the bio/chem stuff. But I was told by my superiors some time ago that the last administration has changed the policy. Basically it is not "mandatory" that we retaliate in kind any more. Apparently Bill changed that policy. As far as the nasty stuff, we dont even consider its use anymore. Unless there is something I dont know about.
Granted, my source was not at a hi-level. My curiosity is up now, I am gonna look somemore.
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Sounds lovely.
I heard (on the news) that the pulmonary version of the virus has to be a specific size to infect you... now is this true with the skin version of anthrax?
Are they both equally lethal, or is the pulmonary strain more lethal?
If you have a website that explains it, that would probably be just as good so you don't have to type too much. ;)
Thanks!
-SW
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A thought for debate. Do you think it possible that people over the years got sick/died from anthrax but the cases were mis-diagnosed as something else? Now that we are looking for it, we're finding it?
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Big time wiggin goin on here in NYC.
The USMail is being used to distribute the anthrax. Seemingly; they are targeting news orginizations and government offices. Latest case in NYC reported from a letter recieved Sept25th at NBC News/NY.
No indications yet how widespread the attack is, what the source is (terrorist or nutcase) and/or what the extent of the real threat is.
My opinion... we're gonna see some average folks panic.. I expect a lotta calls are being made to local authorities regarding unknown sourced mail, overwhelming and effectively swamping local law enforcement people.
We may see the postal system shut down completely before this is over.
I doubt an anthrax attack using the postal service will elicit the overwhelming nuclear response that funked mentioned... but it will certinaly put a whole lotta pressure on the administration to do something truly stupid in the middle east.. like invade afghanistan before we are ready.
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AGGGHHH WHITE POWDER ON MY KEYBORD
AGGGHHH ...WE ALL GONA DIE
nevermind , hazmat team said it was dandruff
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ugh, software error and I lost my post...
Hang, the article I read (http://www.cnn.com/2001/HEALTH/conditions/10/12/nyc.anthrax/index.html) said the powder was negative on anthrax
The woman, who was not identified beyond her affiliation with "Nightly News" anchored by Tom Brokaw, received an envelope September 25 containing a white powder that tested negative for anthrax. She later tested positive -- the results just became known Friday -- but has been taking antibiotics since October 1.
Swulfe, the article has some info on Skin Anthrax in a sidebar. It's not as lethal as pulmonary anthrax.
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http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/33790.htm (http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/33790.htm)
Read to educate yourselfs
Its my opinion that one of the 50 missing nuclear suit case bombs is much more of a threat than Anthrax. Wife says Anthrax is the least of their (health care) workers worries, Small pox is the #1 worry (Not enough vaccine, those that are vacinated are only good for 5 yrs, most born before 1975 have NOT been vaccinated for small pox, and its VERY contagious thru the air)
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In Englewood, Colorado, four postal workers were taken to Swedish Medical Center after being exposed to powder that fell from a package at the Parker Post Office, 20 miles south of Denver, a hospital spokeswoman said. The workers entered the hospital's emergency room, where they were being tested for possible exposure to anthrax, the spokeswoman said. As a precaution, the hospital and the post office were sealed at 10:25 a.m. (12:25 p.m. EDT), she added.
ruh roh.
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Originally posted by Hangtime:
ruh roh.
Yeah, probably a Baby-shower gift with talcom powder in it...Gian, a co-worker, used to work in a mail room, she said you guys wouldn't BELIEVE what gets sent thru the mail, and most of it much more dangerous than Anthrax (I think she was referring to the DNC publications! :P
[ 10-12-2001: Message edited by: Ripsnort ]
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Rip, you tweak my intrest.
WHAT '50 missing' suitcase nukes?
Your source?
The makers.. designers, production people.. who where they.. are they alive and available for comment?
If it is in fact a real deal; Who violated '4th protocol' agreements by ordering design and construction?
In short, is this a 'chicken little' howl??
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Maybe this is what Rip is thinking about: http://www.fas.org/nuke/hew/News/Lebedbomb.html (http://www.fas.org/nuke/hew/News/Lebedbomb.html)
Closest things the US had to a suitcase bomb were artillery shells and portable bombs that were about the size of a pony keg.
BTW this stuff was developed in my hometown. :) :( :eek:
[ 10-12-2001: Message edited by: funkedup ]
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"Our policy has always been to use conventional weapons until we are losing, then use tactical nukes until we are losing. Then we blow up the world"
-from an Ex-NATO chief
(Wish I remembered his name. Think 1990..)
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Originally posted by Ripsnort:
http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/33790.htm (http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/33790.htm)
Read to educate yourselfs
Its my opinion that one of the 50 missing nuclear suit case bombs is much more of a threat than Anthrax. Wife says Anthrax is the least of their (health care) workers worries, Small pox is the #1 worry (Not enough vaccine, those that are vacinated are only good for 5 yrs, most born before 1975 have NOT been vaccinated for small pox, and its VERY contagious thru the air)
The last known example of small pox was destroyed in 1998... or was this bubonic plague? In any case, that doesn't mean it's gone, of course. It's hard (read: impossible) to elimate a virus. But is it really such a threat?
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In the early eighties, I worked on a toxicology laboratory for a company. It was a small(20,00sqft) facility, and not graded for the level of Anthrax research, much less smallpox. It cost 150$ million then. A decent lab with a chance of this type of research(not production) would cost about 2 Billion dollars today.
Playing with these things is very risky, and if less than the required(see above) protocols and equipment are used, not only will you and your workers die, but it will be very easy locate your facility.
Baby nukes and suicidal maniacs scare me, not bugs.
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Boil that dust speck! Boil that dust speck!
------ From Horten Hears a Who.
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Originally posted by ispar:
The last known example of small pox was destroyed in 1998... or was this bubonic plague? In any case, that doesn't mean it's gone, of course. It's hard (read: impossible) to elimate a virus. But is it really such a threat?
Ispar, it was smallpox, although the date I think is up in the air, I heard 1976. The threat lies with the stuff they've kept in little vials in labs. The stuff still exists, count on it. If the terrorists have it, who knows.
IMO, the Terrorists threw the best of "what they had" at us on 9/11. I could be wrong of course, but I firmly believe that IF the terrorists had a suitcase nuke, it would have gone off by now. Also, I didn't read up that much on the FAS website, but I would imagine those suitcase nukes are relatively low yeild devices...sure, devastating but limited none the less. These are definately not the caliber of weapons that you find on Russian/Chinease ICBM's...those baby's take out entire cities, big chunks of States etc, tac type nukes are meant to do things like, knock out airfields.
I'm quietly thinking ole Osama may be dead as we speak...dunno if thats good or bad but, he can't hide from our weapons...if we find or found WHICH cave his cowardly little bellybutton was in he was/is as good as ham...scorched hamburger.
Tumor
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Bahhhh... I give massive terrorist networks more credit than that. If they were gonna deliver Anthrax, come on, would they target Tom Brokaw and the Enquirer? And would they have such poor timing?
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And would they have such poor timing?
What the...? "Poor" timing? Right not terrorism is the only news story on the whole planet. The good news is the hightened sense of awareness and rediness to beleave it that is making defending against it easier. Plus the concept of using crop dusters to deliver it.
I personally hope that the idjits who made it screw up and release it on their own people. That will show these morons that it's really more dangerous to them than it is to the most medically advanced nation on the planet (we've got three men walking around with artificial hearts as we speak). Thats the one thought thats helping me right now.
Hans.
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My joystick will arrive next week, from the US.
Of course, it'll be anthrax infected.
:D
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What I meant by poor timing is this:
These are the folks who managed to crash three planes into buildings before the system reacted.
Why would they then send Anthrax in so few letters that arrive at such wide intervals? If you want maximum effect from such a weak delivery system, you send a bunch of letters at the same time, so more than one person dies.
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I don't know, ask the terrorists. Because this is not just a coincidence.
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We may have to dust off those nukes before this is all over. This whole mess could come down to us or them (whoever them is). I hope we choose us.
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1 fatality so far and you wanna nuke Afganistan if they send it... Tell me how many people die in the US because of guns everyday?
Broes
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Broes; I want the attack on not only our lives (about 6000, not 1) but our way of life stopped whatever it takes. If it means using our most powerful weapons then so be it.
I'd rather learn that Iraq is behind the current biological attack. Then the gloves come off and we can put an end to Sadaam Husein once and for all.
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Incorrect, Ispar.
http://www.fas.org/news/cuba/oagmc026.htm (http://www.fas.org/news/cuba/oagmc026.htm)
"The disease was completely eradicated from the earth by 1977. Today, the smallpox virus exists only in two freezers, one in Moscow, Russia, and the other in Atlanta, Georgia, United States.
There is evidence that certain countries may have harvested smallpox for use in weapons, threatening to revive a plague for which vaccines are no longer produced. Ironically, the danger smallpox would pose to a targeted population stems in part from the success medical science has enjoyed in battling the virus."
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Toad, even those should be destroyed. The only reason no one has used small pox in bio-war is its highly contagious thru a sneeze, so using it would be like committing Nuclear suicide, it would be a doomsday for all except the lucky few that got the small amount of vaccine available.
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Gee... if I was reading Intel at the NSC, I'd be paying particular attention to what the locals in the middle east are buying for antibiotics, and what vaccinations are being administered to the ranking Towelheads.
Obviously; before you start a Bio-War, you need to be sure the stuff you use doesn't come home to hurt your compadres.
Vis-a-vis; I wonder what EXACTLY is in this season's flu shot, being distributed right now in this country...
And, FWIW; I still say we oughta toast those turkeys with an unscheduled sunrise if they even mumble 'biohazard' in the toejamter.
But thats just me. Being a bloodthirsty savage is decidedly outta style this millenium in the USA. Go figure.
No doubt, somebody will manage to flip the 'manditory retaliation' switch before their finger rots off their hand and only AFTER he's techniclay dead from the other sides bugs.
Have a nice day. :D