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Title: Ernst Heinkel's HE-280
Post by: AApache on March 07, 2006, 08:09:48 PM
One of Hitler's top developer's Ernst Heinkel came up with the HE-280 in 1939. The HE-280 was the primary competition of the ME-262. Metzerschmidt was Heinkel's primary competition in developing Hitler's air war. The ME-262 beat the HE-280 into production because it was mainly a short range jet fighter such as the ME-163. The HE-280 was recorded to have sustained flights from 500 - 800 MPH . After the Battle of Britian in 1944 when Hitler's Luftwaft took a major beating by allied planes where spitfires shot down over 600 axis planes .Hitler hid his ME-262's ,ME-163's and a few test HE-280's in the woods along the roadside of the autobon in which he used for a runway.HE-280's would make a nice addition to the jet family here at Hitec.
Title: Ernst Heinkel's HE-280
Post by: ramzey on March 07, 2006, 09:03:18 PM
8 prototypes
Title: Ernst Heinkel's HE-280
Post by: Pooface on March 08, 2006, 09:37:25 AM
battle of britain was 1940, and hitler didnt use any jets before late 44, while the LW was forced back into germany. i im guessing the source of your info is a little off
Title: Re: Ernst Heinkel's HE-280
Post by: dedalos on March 08, 2006, 10:20:59 AM
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Originally posted by AApache
The HE-280 was recorded to have sustained flights from 500 - 800 MPH .


So they were supersonic :O  or did I mix milles and kilometers again?
Title: Re: Ernst Heinkel's HE-280
Post by: Furball on March 08, 2006, 12:35:07 PM
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Originally posted by AApache
After the Battle of Britian in 1944 when Hitler's Luftwaft took a major beating by allied planes where spitfires shot down over 600 axis planes


:lol

no... wait...

:rofl :rofl
Title: Re: Ernst Heinkel's HE-280
Post by: Fencer51 on March 08, 2006, 12:50:55 PM
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Originally posted by AApache
One of Hitler's top developer's Ernst Heinkel came up with the HE-280 in 1939. The HE-280 was the primary competition of the ME-262. Metzerschmidt was Heinkel's primary competition in developing Hitler's air war. The ME-262 beat the HE-280 into production because it was mainly a short range jet fighter such as the ME-163. The HE-280 was recorded to have sustained flights from 500 - 800 MPH . After the Battle of Britian in 1944 when Hitler's Luftwaft took a major beating by allied planes where spitfires shot down over 600 axis planes .Hitler hid his ME-262's ,ME-163's and a few test HE-280's in the woods along the roadside of the autobon in which he used for a runway.HE-280's would make a nice addition to the jet family here at Hitec.


Wow.. :eek: :confused:
Title: Ernst Heinkel's HE-280
Post by: Westy on March 08, 2006, 02:16:34 PM
I think you guys are nibbling on a troll.   On the outside chance it's not then your responding to a 12 yr old.
Title: Ernst Heinkel's HE-280
Post by: AApache on March 08, 2006, 02:22:33 PM
I guess you can't read Pooface I did say the battle of Britian was in 1944 in my post . So no my source of info is not off your reading is but no worry :lol .It was a simple observance about an interesting plane but to recieve such trollish replies and I quote is simply not worth the time.
Title: Ernst Heinkel's HE-280
Post by: Pooface on March 08, 2006, 02:32:14 PM
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Originally posted by AApache
I guess you can't read Pooface I did say the battle of Britian was in 1944 in my post . So no my source of info is not off your reading is but no worry :lol .It was a simple observance about an interesting plane but to recieve such trollish replies and I quote is simply not worth the time.


:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl


on the off chance you are dyslexic, i will repeat this in caps...

THE BATTLE OF BRITAIN WAS IN 1940, NOT 1944:aok
Title: Facts
Post by: gear on March 08, 2006, 02:33:44 PM
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Originally posted by AApache
The ME-262 beat the HE-280 into production because it was mainly a short range jet fighter such as the ME-163. The HE-280 was recorded to have sustained flights from 500 - 800 MPH .  


(http://www.geocities.com/lastdingo/aviation/he280-7.jpg)

http://www.geocities.com/lastdingo/aviation/he280.htm (http://www.geocities.com/lastdingo/aviation/he280.htm)


Technical Data

Origin: Ernst Heinkel AG
Type: Single-seat fighter.
Engines: (Most) two 1,852lb (840kg) thrust Junkers Jumo 004A turbojets.
Dimensions: Span 39ft 4.5 in (12.00m); length (most) 33ft 5.5in (10.20m);
Height: 10ft 5-3/4 in (3.19m)
Weights: (V6) empty 7,386lb (3350kg); loaded 11,465lb (5200kg)
Armament: See text.
Performance: (V6) maximum speed 508mph (817km/h);
range at height 382 miles (615km)
Title: Ernst Heinkel's HE-280
Post by: Pooface on March 08, 2006, 02:34:37 PM
oh, and to add, there was no such thing as an autobahn, especially in france where you say hitler hid his 262's and 163's in the woods. oh, and of course the supersonic jet from 1944;)
Title: The Battle of Britain History Site
Post by: gear on March 08, 2006, 02:37:21 PM
Quote
Originally posted by AApache
I guess you can't read Pooface I did say the battle of Britian was in 1944 in my post . So no my source of info is not off your reading is but no worry :lol .It was a simple observance about an interesting plane but to recieve such trollish replies and I quote is simply not worth the time.


Battle fought over Britain between the 10th July and 31st October 1940
You may want to throw out you sources.
http://www.raf.mod.uk/bob1940/bobhome.html (http://www.raf.mod.uk/bob1940/bobhome.html)
Title: Ernst Heinkel's HE-280
Post by: gear on March 08, 2006, 02:39:09 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Pooface
oh, and to add, there was no such thing as an autobahn, especially in france where you say hitler hid his 262's and 163's in the woods. oh, and of course the supersonic jet from 1944;)



Yeh there was it's called a dirt road:No actually there was.

Within six years after the completion of the first Cologne-Bonn autobahn in 1932, Germany added 3,000 kilometers (1,860 miles) of super highway to its road network. Although Hitler has often been given credit for the autobahn, the real precursors were the Avus experimental highway in Berlin (built between 1913 and 1921) and Italy's 130-kilometer autostrada tollway between Milan and the northern Italian lakes (completed in 1923). Although Germany’s depressed economy and hyperinflation of the late 1920s prevented plans for new autobahns from being carried out at the time, many miles of roadway were built during the time of the Third Reich. Hitler saw the construction of autobahns primarily as a military advantage; its benefit as a job-creation program in the 1930s was an added plus.

http://german.about.com/library/blgermyth08_autobt.htm
Title: Background to the Battle of Britain
Post by: gear on March 08, 2006, 02:41:38 PM
http://www.raf.mod.uk/bob1940/background.html (http://www.raf.mod.uk/bob1940/background.html)
Title: Ernst Heinkel's HE-280
Post by: Furball on March 08, 2006, 02:48:34 PM
i wonder if he will be shocked when he learns that the Battle of Britain took place before America entered the war?

in his source the Battle of Britain took place after the normandy landings :lol
Title: Ernst Heinkel's HE-280
Post by: gear on March 08, 2006, 02:49:34 PM
And the Red Baron was dead already.:rofl
Title: Ernst Heinkel's HE-280
Post by: gear on March 08, 2006, 02:52:12 PM
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Originally posted by Furball
i

in his source the Battle of Britain took place after the normandy landings :lol



That's why hitler attacked the Brits.Because of the out rite invasion also because america was too far away to fly to.:aok
Title: Ernst Heinkel's HE-280
Post by: Pooface on March 08, 2006, 02:53:44 PM
ahhh, thats interesting gear, i never new that (bout the autobahns)

of course, there were no autobahns in france, and certainly no roads you could take a military jet off lol
Title: Ernst Heinkel's HE-280
Post by: dedalos on March 08, 2006, 03:28:26 PM
weeeelllll, I do think a supersonic early to mid war plane would be a nice addition though.  Perk free too, since it was not a 1944 model.  Also, we don't have any representatives of the secret Hitler airforce (the LuftWaft)
Title: Ernst Heinkel's HE-280
Post by: gear on March 08, 2006, 03:44:36 PM
Did he see the bombers that bombed England?

(http://www.luft46.com/vaart/st400-2.jpg)
(http://www.luft46.com/vaart/st400-3.jpg)
Title: Ernst Heinkel's HE-280
Post by: straffo on March 08, 2006, 03:49:57 PM
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Originally posted by Pooface
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl


on the off chance you are dyslexic, i will repeat this in caps...

THE BATTLE OF BRITAIN WAS IN 1940, NOT 1944:aok


Typical british propaganda !

I swear !

Quote
Originally posted by Pooface
oh, and to add, there was no such thing as an autobahn, especially in france where you say hitler hid his 262's and 163's in the woods. oh, and of course the supersonic jet from 1944;)


There was , the 1st French autoroute was started in 1970 2 month after the end of WWII
Title: Ernst Heinkel's HE-280
Post by: Pooface on March 08, 2006, 04:50:38 PM
Quote
Originally posted by straffo
Typical british propaganda !

I swear !

 

There was , the 1st French autoroute was started in 1970 2 month after the end of WWII


hahahaha!!!

rofl, that's a good one:aok
Title: Ernst Heinkel's HE-280
Post by: Furball on March 09, 2006, 01:42:37 AM
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Originally posted by straffo
There was , the 1st French autoroute was started in 1970 2 month after the end of WWII


and 2 years before the battle of britain.
Title: Ernst Heinkel's HE-280
Post by: straffo on March 09, 2006, 02:30:50 AM
oups sorry ... my bad.
Title: Ernst Heinkel's HE-280
Post by: Pooface on March 09, 2006, 12:27:51 PM
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Originally posted by Furball
and 2 years before the battle of britain.
:rofl