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Title: How is rank calculated?
Post by: Softail on March 07, 2006, 09:46:38 PM
Ok .. in my pursuit to get better bomber rankings I must ask.   Whiskey Tango Foxtrot...OVER!    I have been focusing on my gunnery which has improved a lot.   I try to make every bomb count .. 1 target....3 bombs is my new motto.  (I fly in formations all the time)

However I must say for as much as I have improved I am very disappointed in my ranking.  Adding to that utter confusion on exactly HOW this game ranks bombers.    I guess my strategy is wrong or something.  Explain the following stats to me please.     I went into the scores and pulled mine and the guy who is currently number two.    


                            Me                 /                some other guy

Damage/Deaths  93340.89803       (101)       /   430597.80087   (19)
Damage/Sorties  31113.63267       (137)       /  114826.10663   (18)
Hit Percentage    260.652%      (151)       /   760.494            (18)
Points                3360272.32859     (9)           /  3444783.19892  (6)
Field Captures    0                           (2389)     /   1                      (171)




Kills        29   /   5
Assists                      2   /   0
Sorties      108   /   30
Landed      73   /   22
Bailed      4   /   2
Ditched      0   /   1
Captured                    1   /   0
Death      30   /   5
Disco      0   /   0
Time      18:14:17   /             06:11:43

Rank:                             127     /              2


So can someone explain to me how you can get a hit rate of 760%?
What is the most important stat to focus on?
What bomb load would yield this? ( I carry 8x1000 in 24s primarily)
Is this an example of "Strat" bombing?

I fly into the thick of things, bomb fields and towns and provide support for the taking of bases.   It appears as though that approach is the "wrong" approach and not rewarded very well by the game.   Both stats are proportioned pretty close except for the Damage so to me this appears as an individual who primarily bombs undefended (or lightly defened) strats.  Add to that the very FEW missions flown in comparison it baffles me that this is not calculated in the rank.  

Its like comparing the batting average of a guy who has played all season to a guy whos only played a couple of months.   Sure he hit better...but can he maintain that performance?  Or did he just step up to bat...crush one outta the park and then dont bat again to keep the 1.000 batting average?

I am open to suggestions for improvement.

Thanks.

Softail
Title: How is rank calculated?
Post by: wetrat on March 07, 2006, 09:52:56 PM
the scoring system's been disected many times... try doing a search.
Title: How is rank calculated?
Post by: sullie363 on March 07, 2006, 09:58:19 PM
Get some field captures, that helps big time.
Title: How is rank calculated?
Post by: Softail on March 07, 2006, 10:02:59 PM
actually I tried that....focused on capturing fields.  But look at the stats...he has 1 (one) only one more.  It has to be something different.

Softail
Title: How is rank calculated?
Post by: rod367th on March 07, 2006, 10:08:36 PM
okay   short verison


1. if after rank only then bomb only strats.
2. fly high 25k to 30k use only 1k bombs or bigger,harder to kill 30k bombers than 5k
3. hit only radar strat or City strats  these will give you biggest hit %
4. land sorties and don't drop bombs unless calibration on
5. you need about 4 c47 captures.



  That simple. Every time you bomb a gv hit% goes down. Every time you get shot down damage to death goes down. Every time your 3 bombs hit only 1 target your hit % goes way down.



 now guys like XXXXXXX and other s who go for hit%  will usally wait untill near a strat that is behind thier lines and use A ju87   1800kg bomb or lanc's 4k and only drop 4k bomb  that will give you a hit % over 2000%
all you do is land rearm do this till strats dead and  hit% damage to death , damage per sortie go thru roof.


 Now with all that said Going for Rank is boring and will only mean something to you or newbies. Most know you can milk rank in everything  including fighter if you want to be dweeb like some and kill 2nd accounts.
So unless your going for lower rank so u can turn cv's as friends take off or land , go back to bombing everything and have FUN.
Title: How is rank calculated?
Post by: ujustdied on March 07, 2006, 10:21:04 PM
ok rank is simple for bombing just plane bpmb peroid kills dont help you that much just bomb and take bases and youll have a good rank in no time the bombing is based on points so the points you have the lower rank you will have also capturing bases cuts rank in half. bob towns and factories thoughs are the best to bomb for points soooooo just bomb the more factories you kill the lower your rank will be very simple. bombing is the easiest thing.

catfish6
Title: How is rank calculated?
Post by: Softail on March 07, 2006, 10:32:45 PM
Well...if THATS what it takes .... forget it.   Seems a shame that the game would reward that "style" of play.   It sounds like one can game the game.

I might experiment with it here and there but a steady diet of that would be a yawn fest.   Besides I can't resist bombing an airfield and trolling a fighter up to me and playing possum ;-)    

I hate you experienced guys that know how to attack from above...I still haven't figured out the gun solution for that one....but I am getting closer.

Thanks for the info.

Softail.
Title: How is rank calculated?
Post by: Grits on March 07, 2006, 10:35:36 PM
I dropped an 1800kg bomb on a Grunt Training strat once and got a 2400% hit. Thats the highest I've ever gotten.
Title: How is rank calculated?
Post by: VILKAS on March 07, 2006, 10:41:16 PM
Quote
Originally posted by rod367th
okay   short verison





 Now with all that said Going for Rank is boring and will only mean something to you or newbies. Most know you can milk rank in everything  including fighter if you want to be dweeb like some and kill 2nd accounts.
So unless your going for lower rank so u can turn cv's as friends take off or land , go back to bombing everything and have FUN.


 First and formost in AH is to have fun FUN FUN, even for an old chap like me. If anyone is so set to get a high Rank, I wonder why ?..

Sure I would like to be good in any game I play, but if Rank I was after, I would join the Airforce.!:aok

I agree 100% with rod367th, be good, enjoy what you are doing and you will have many friends to enjoy with !,,, at the same time having FUN !:aok





 Ambition is the last refuge of failure !
Title: Re: How is rank calculated?
Post by: Murdr on March 08, 2006, 01:55:56 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Softail

                            Me                 /                some other guy

Damage/Deaths  93340.89803       (101)       /   430597.80087   (19)
Damage/Sorties  31113.63267       (137)       /  114826.10663   (18)
Hit Percentage 260.652%      (151)       /   760.494            (18)
Points                3360272.32859     (9)           /  3444783.19892  (6)
Field Captures    0                           (2389)     /   1                      (171)




Kills   29 / 5
Assists                  2 / 0
Sorties 108 / 30
Landed 73 / 22
Bailed 4 / 2
Ditched 0 / 1
Captured                 1 / 0
Death 30 / 5
Disco 0 / 0
Time 18:14:17 /             06:11:43

Rank:                             127     /              2
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Ok, breifly.  You are scored in 5 sub-catagories in bombing.  Your bomber rank is based on your average rank in those sub-catagories.  So looking at the "other guy"s ranks:
19+18+18+6+171= 232
He is ranked #2 which means the #1 guys ranks added together is less than 232.  The #3 guys ranks added together would be more than 232.

You are tied for last place in field captures (2,389).  That high number is what is messing up your average, and therfore your rank.  If you only had 1 field capture, you would be tied at (171) which would make the sum of your sub-catagory ranks 2218 less than it is in your example.  That is how much difference that one little field capture makes.
Title: How is rank calculated?
Post by: Stang on March 08, 2006, 02:06:50 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Softail
Well...if THATS what it takes .... forget it.   Seems a shame that the game would reward that "style" of play.   It sounds like one can game the game.
And he gets it!

:aok
Title: How is rank calculated?
Post by: jab116 on March 08, 2006, 02:29:24 AM
Score is Bull. Don't worry about it & you will enjoy the game more.
The only useful info in anybody's score is how much time they spend online playin AH.
Title: How is rank calculated?
Post by: rod367th on March 08, 2006, 07:11:33 AM
softail

sometimes bombing strats helps your team. if you destroy training and kill troops at base,it takes more resupplies or time for troops to come back. same for aaa ammo and so on.



 but most do it for score and not for team. and thats okay too playing to have fun is okay and playing for rank is okay. I can't remember which Ak it was but saw him going to a strat and his words were " Man I love blowing watermelon up. I can't stop"




Rank will only count again if HTC brings back monthly challenge. We had a tourney that top 10 combined ranks each monthfor 3 months got 50 dollars each no repeat winners and then all 30 had a king of the hill battle with winner getting 500 dollars. Now if this happens again then practice for rank.........
Title: How is rank calculated?
Post by: Softail on March 08, 2006, 07:19:25 AM
Ok....that answers that ;-)  ha ha ha

thanks to all for the replies.

Softail
Title: How is rank calculated?
Post by: psob2 on March 08, 2006, 07:49:04 AM
hi softail

read rod 367's post on getting low rank. lots of good info there. everthing he's said here is also on the money

that thread helped me a lot. below is what i've noticed the last few months where i've managed to get a low bomber rank

use the largest bombs you can

supposedly bombing strat factories does help your team.

city strat has most density of buildings, so bombing that is good for bombing hit %

cv's are worth lots of points, and wont hurt your bomb % much. you can keep hit % in the 500%'s as long as you can hit them.  lead 1 cv length from 10K

towns are good to bomb also, just pick where you drop. go for the clusters of buildings, don't carpet bomb

you need 4 or 5 base captures per tour

dont do low altitude runs if rank is what you are interested in. its too easy for nmy fighters to get you. unfortunately its rare that your teamates in fighters will give you much cover. i usually bomb from 10-14k. most nmy fighters cant be bothered to climb to you.

like all the other scoring, deaths hurt your score. land your sorties, or at least try for a ditch. bailing and captures are almost as bad as a death
Title: How is rank calculated?
Post by: FiLtH on March 08, 2006, 07:59:01 AM
Talk about gaming the game.  You have guys out there day in day out dropping ord, and you mean to tell me a guy can drop a few strats and with a high % , erase everything the other guy has done? YUCK!!

     What other cheezy things are done to get high rank? Im really disappointed.
Title: How is rank calculated?
Post by: Mustaine on March 08, 2006, 08:51:29 AM
i am at best a mediocre pilot, but in the past i played the rank game.

best i did was 6 overall.

http://www.hitechcreations.com/cgi-bin/105score/105score.pl

look up JB73 for tour 48.

it's not that hard, but you gotta do some boring *** stuff to get it.

like others said, it's all about knowing what certian things "boost" rank.


Quote
Originally posted by FiLtH
Talk about gaming the game.  You have guys out there day in day out dropping ord, and you mean to tell me a guy can drop a few strats and with a high % , erase everything the other guy has done? YUCK!!

     What other cheezy things are done to get high rank? Im really disappointed.
well... shooting a strat in a pt boat with rockets is the only way to get a hit % vs objects (or torpedos on a ship) so all those guys doing weeks of GV'ing can be outscored by a single player in a few days work.
Title: How is rank calculated?
Post by: dedalos on March 08, 2006, 09:23:46 AM
I do it for my team and my Country.
Title: How is rank calculated?
Post by: dedalos on March 08, 2006, 10:09:49 AM
HT needs to take time into account when calculating score.  Its not fair that someone with no life like HUB can stay on 24 hours a day and get a better score because of that :cry
Title: How is rank calculated?
Post by: Mustaine on March 08, 2006, 10:16:21 AM
he isn't even in the top 5 yet?
man he sucks.

bet he can't do what cuckoo did back in the day.
Title: How is rank calculated?
Post by: dedalos on March 08, 2006, 10:17:52 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Mustaine
he isn't even in the top 5 yet?
man he sucks.

bet he can't do what cuckoo did back in the day.


He was, but under squad rules and close supervision he had to let go or be let go :O
Title: How is rank calculated?
Post by: rod367th on March 08, 2006, 10:33:41 AM
Quote
Originally posted by dedalos
HT needs to take time into account when calculating score.  Its not fair that someone with no life like HUB can stay on 24 hours a day and get a better score because of that :cry




More time hurts score you can be tops with few hours online. usally guys with lots time in game not in top 10.
Title: How is rank calculated?
Post by: rod367th on March 08, 2006, 10:46:07 AM
okay was just goin to post old score rank tips but some things have changed.

 Disclaimer most of this is boring and not exactly alot of fun. but if its rank you want here goes.



Bombing
Do's
1. Use 1k or bigger bombs I would fly high as there is no time per  in bomber cat#.
2. Bomb city strats and radar for highest hit % and damage per sortie
3. You want bigger hit%  use ju87 1800kg bomb and hit strat where big cluster of targets near.
4. to even increase damage to deaths or sorties land rearm your ju87 go again repeat over and over.
5. Speed is secret to calibration. B24 under 10k should be 210mph  20k 200 mph  30 k 180 mph indicated. I always climb until ready to calibrate then i do a slight dive to i get close to these speeds then level calibrate 10 to 20 secs. I can hit vh hanger from 30k 1 bomb st8 on top of hanger.



Don'ts

1. Don't bomb gvs in bomber mode. kills your hit % and gv kills in bomber worthless.
2. don't carpet bomb see rule 5 above

3. killing cv is better than it use to be but it does lower hit% less then hitting strat. I personally like 8k and salvo 2  led it 3/4 length get it just about every time. and get to land. you will usually lose bomber to cap or 5" and if whels and some others in 5" kiss all 3 goodbye.

4. killing strats at bases this really hurts you but helps team.

5. using 100lb bombs worst thing for hit% .   hit% is just hitting near a building with 1ks without killing it. thats why you kill 8 buildings 1 bomb but hit is 1500%

ATTACK
Do's

1. always be in attack mode if your defending against gvs or killing towns.

2. I like using attack mode set as default for all planes. this help when your  trying to defend base getting up barely or not at all with your k/d in fighter mode.

3. Use ju87 1800 kg bomb hit starts for great hit % see rules 3-4 in bombing do's

4. to really increase your hit % with guns bomb strat with ju87 18ookg land slowly drive close to building fire 954 rounds into building when building blows taxi to another empty ammo into it take off and rearm repeat. ( use to be you could shoot dead buildings before but this has changed it must be up) ps city strats have 50 cals and u must not taxi near train resupplies tracks trains now have 50 cal aaa.

5. if you like u can also bomb just trains 1 1800kg bomb destroys entire train and 50 cals and gives you a 1200% hit =12 targets 1  bomb

6. using il2  use guns only on gvs will protect bomb Hit % osti's easy if you fly st8 over them then dive st8 down on top firing. guns on osti can't go 90 degrees.

Attack don'ts

bombing single target  is great for team but lowers hit %


GV's
D0's

1. driving gv to a strat best way to increase hit% and damage per sortie. I like osti  and make sure you use hull gun too this increases hit %  avg building takes exactly 20 hits from osti count shots and you get more buildings. and if in squad ask squaddie to bring u a supply.

2. Camping  helps a lot but if defending a base Remember to put supplies out, if possible. when defending a base use tiger if gvs if bombers tough call.

3. this i hate but a lot seem to do it LTARS lol  spawn osti stay at spawn kill planes trying to kill you. some ltars drop supplies and stay near spawn. after then kill ord :)

4. tt fastest way to get k/d and kills per hour up fast. get right spot u can kill 20 to 30 guys before they get you.

5 take pt  to a strat on water or to town you can spawn to fire rockets hit building don't use rockets or torp again.also killing resupply barges works


GV don'ts

1. attack bases with tanks usually a death. to easy to knock out panzer's turret with hurri or il2 if you want t34 harder to disable when ord dead.

2. tring to break spawn campers Now exception is when its single gv in back hanger or near at vh base t34 usually gets him first try unless its tiger.

3. Resupplying strats great for team not hot for score. BUT fastest way to earn perks for tigers is to resupply a dead strat. usually its 100perks to fully resupply strat4 to 5 trips, this hurts your damage to death and kills per sortie.




Remember these are tips for score not fun

Fighter
Do's
1. WINGMAN
2. ALT
3. E
4. advantage
5. never chase what you can't catch, if hes already running no matter what you say on 200 he's not going to turn.
6. If at disadvantage and you can disengage  then do so.
7. good way to increase kills per hr is defense at cv or noe missions
8. don't waste ammo on cons over 600yds or more out this hurts hit%i like to wait until 300 or less before firing.
9.Always take right plane for situation your going into.
10.and biggest help  Go to DA  with Morpheus, Shane, Levi, and some others learn acm's well from others willing to teach you the ropes.


Fighter don'ts

1. shooting anything but another fighter or bomber really hurts hit%IE ack.hangers,gvs town and so on...

2. don't up from vulch field in fighter mode if you want to up change to attack mode

3. NEVER come up a bomber formations 6 try high 10 to 4 or 2 to 7 attack works great for me. lancs and b26's no bottom gunner so low vertical works to. And always go for main bomber first this is one with icon over it. when it goes takes second or two for pilot to eject to another bomber.

4. never kill gvs in fighter mode or pt's.

5. Remember bail is better than death and  ditch works better to.

6. Watch out for p40's hurri's usually its very good pilot in those planes.

7. Ho'ing  not great way to increase k/d ot hit %.............



okay I might have forgot somethings but these will give you idea. Trust me been number 1 overall in every cat one time or another and number1 overall. It is not as much fun as grabbing a hurri or la5  in furballs. or is it as fun as killing vh's and ack at vh bases for someone else to capture base. Last tod i think Ramul had at least 5 or 6 base captures by going with me in my bombers. I* do enjoy killing cvs  and ord with high alt bombers. and with no defense can kill towns with 1 set b17's or b24;s. this is fun score is work and little boring. But With low rank you can tick off alot of people. turning cv as squad-mates or friends try to land or take off is fun. Also on reset day wednesdays you can take hidden cv's put them into action and get 20 to 30 guys moaning your idiot or trader, Because they don't think first that its reset day hiding cv makes no sense then.


 Remember its a game have fun any way you choose la7 spit dive bombing whatever makes YOU happy. Life is too short to worry what others say.


Good luck have fun.
Title: How is rank calculated?
Post by: dedalos on March 08, 2006, 12:16:04 PM
Quote
Originally posted by rod367th
More time hurts score you can be tops with few hours online. usally guys with lots time in game not in top 10.


Points points points and field captures.  The less of a life you have (hub and Grits are good examples) the more points you get.

IT IS NOT FAIR :cry :cry :cry
Title: How is rank calculated?
Post by: yayyyy on March 08, 2006, 12:49:27 PM
with a calculator yayyyy
Title: How is rank calculated?
Post by: E25280 on March 08, 2006, 02:24:58 PM
Quote
Originally posted by rod367th
More time hurts score you can be tops with few hours online. usally guys with lots time in game not in top 10.


Besides being good, SHawk played an average of 4 hours 47 minutes PER DAY during February.  Which shows why he is good.  I doubt any RL pilot in history could claim to have that much combat experience (virtual as it is).
Title: How is rank calculated?
Post by: Mustaine on March 08, 2006, 03:00:14 PM
Quote
Originally posted by E25280
Besides being good, SHawk played an average of 4 hours 47 minutes PER DAY during February.  Which shows why he is good.  I doubt any RL pilot in history could claim to have that much combat experience (virtual as it is).
thats about how much CUCKOO flew in tour 31. he's the only one to ever go #1 #1 #1 #1 in rank across the board all catagories.
Title: How is rank calculated?
Post by: meddog on March 08, 2006, 10:36:22 PM
Every one who has played this game for while learns that the ranking system is realy not a good reflection of how good an individual is, in fact it is probably one of the worst because scores are too easy to suprainflate.  The best use of the scoring system is simular to golf in that you're not competing with the other players only against yourself.  In other words, use the scoring system to monitor your improvements based on your previouse levels of abilities not to compare how good your are against some other player because you have no idea what the person you're trying to compare your self to is doing to get the scores he is getting.  For example, since you like to fly bombers, work on your bombing accuracy by upping a flight of bombers with 1000lb bombs and dropping a fighter or bomber hanger with a slavo of 1 or improving your gunnery skills from a bomber's gunner position.  Trust me if you kill 80-90% of the fighters before they can down 1 of your bombers, you will have a reputation that will far out weigh and out last any bombing score or rank you may achieve through milk running or other score whoring techniques just ask 999000 or Tatertot. I have been told by individuals on the opposing sides that I am starting to achieve a reputation as a pretty good advesary, not as good as levi or some others but a reputation just the same and that's due to improvement in overall skill and not based on my score which can fluctuate depending if i'm having a bad night or week in most cases or not. Even Skuzzy wishes we could get rid of the scoring system but until then just have fun and use the scoring system as a measure of your own self improvments
Title: How is rank calculated?
Post by: jaxxo on March 08, 2006, 10:55:53 PM
for ftrs grab a pee38 and 5 buddys and hangout at 10k..cherrypick all day but run while buddys cover ya if a higher con comes in..with drops u can average 5 min per sorty, also log major hours to score big in total points..landing with wingmen says your squad is the shizzle
Title: How is rank calculated?
Post by: dedalos on March 09, 2006, 10:30:41 AM
:rofl  You guys don't get it.  We score potatos dont want to use score to show we are the best.  We know we are :cool:  We just want to be #1.  We dont care how good you think we are.

PS Med :rofl
Title: How is rank calculated?
Post by: meddog on March 09, 2006, 12:08:00 PM
LMAO Dedalos
Title: How is rank calculated?
Post by: TequilaChaser on March 09, 2006, 12:13:42 PM
Quote
Originally posted by rod367th
More time hurts score you can be tops with few hours online. usally guys with lots time in game not in top 10.


that's it in a nutshell...

softtail, divide your flight time by his, and shows you how much more you have flown, multiply his by your answer ( after you divide ) and it show you if you both flew same amount of time you prob have more kills, more hit %, basically more everything.then again could be exact opposite.......


but I do agree with Rod, on the time issue...

this is very noticable if you fly in the AvsA arena, one could up 1 or 2 flights do alot of damage and not fly rest of month and remain in top 1  to 3 in rank in each category.......
Title: How is rank calculated?
Post by: dedalos on March 09, 2006, 12:44:37 PM
:cry :cry Last night I emptied 2 m8s into the buildings of a town.  My hit % vs buildings is 0%.  What is going on here?  I want my score adjasted imidietly :furious or a $0.50 refund.
Title: How is rank calculated?
Post by: icarus on March 09, 2006, 12:47:53 PM
Do you have a good rank, dad?
Title: How is rank calculated?
Post by: dedalos on March 09, 2006, 01:18:35 PM
Quote
Originally posted by icarus
Do you have a good rank, dad?


Stupid tenagers.  They never listen.  When you are done screwing around at 75K come down and help me.  I need some GV captures.

PS.  When are you comming home?  Mom is driving me nuts