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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11328844/
Compound of Concern: Pt. 1
Fundamentalist group's West Texas temple appears complete
ELDORADO, TEXAS - They're a church whose presence in West Texas continues to create concern, and attract the interest of the nation's law enforcement community. We're talking about members of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, or FLDS. They broke away from the mainstream Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (or Mormon Church) in the 1890s.
The FLDS has built a compound near the Schleicher County seat of Eldorado, in West Texas. It's built on property they purchased nearly two years ago, and is now the site of several buildings including what appear to be large dormitory-style residences, observation platforms or towers, and the church's first temple.
Schleicher County Sheriff David Doran says that temple appears to be finished.
"Members from all over the United States, and maybe from Canada and Mexico, that are members of the fundamentalist church. will flock here, stay for a period, do their temple work and then return home," Doran suggested.
The church property is located in remote ranchland about forty miles south of San Angelo.
For the first time, we're seeing what the completed temple looks like, from the air.
"There's no way to comprehend how fast they have built," Randy Mankin, Publisher of the Eldorado Success stressed. "And the photos really don't do it justice on the size of these buildings. The thing is just massive."
The Success is the small, weekly newspaper that first exposed the compound, which was originally represented by the FLDS as a "hunting retreat" for church leaders.
"It's not every day that a little. tiny paper like us stumbles over a national news story," Mankin acknowledged. "But, sure enough, that's what we had."
In the past two years, Mankin and his wife have taken thousands of photographs of the compound.
"Twelve-foot-tall fence," he pointed out on a photo of the temple in the center of the compound. "They've just put sod down, rolled it out, so they are through. This is pretty well finished. They may still be working on the inside. But, they don't invite me in ... I've never made it past the gate."
But, he has managed to capture photos of the group - and their compound - from the air.
"The women all wear long dresses, the little girls all do the same," he pointed out on one photo. "It's a different world, a different environment."
"'Dormitory-style buildings,' we call them. They're very large. Most of the buildings out there are log cabin."
Mankin's extensive research on the FLDS has included talking to former members of the group. They tell him, "everyone in this group is related to everyone in this group. There's only ten or twelve last names in this entire group, and they're all brothers, half-sisters, cousins to one another."
Sheriff Doran is one of only a few outsiders allowed onto the property.
"You have a man who believes he has to have three or more wives, to get into the highest celestial kingdom," he explained. "So, you're looking at three or four different families living under one roof - with one man."
"How many people do you think are living here year-round," he was asked. "My best estimate, is anywhere from 80 to 150. There's quite a few women and children out there," he answered>
Doran says he's keeping a very close watch on what's happening on the group's 1,700-acre ranch.
"Of course, everybody wants to compare it to Waco," he acknowledged. "Because that's the only thing that they can compare it to, because it's a religious group living together."
At this point, Doran stressed, the group hasn't committed any crimes. However, the church's leader - Warren Jeffs - is a wanted man. Arizona authorities say he arranged for children to marry men.
"I have no proof or evidence he's been on the property," Doran reported. "There's no doubt he probably has been here.. I feel like, being the leader of the church - this is a very important property to the church, because the temple is here."
"This is the only temple that the fundamentalist Mormons have ever built. This is a mission for them, this is a holy place out here for them."
Because of that significance, the sheriff expects many people will make pilgirmages to the compound.
"Members from all over the United States, and maybe from Canada and Mexico, that are members of the fundamentalist church. will flock here, stay for a period, do their temple work and then return home," he suggested.
In the meantime, questions surrounding the group's existence, continue to mount.
"It's like they're just one step ahead of the law all the time," Mankin observed. "And you just wonder, 'is this going to be where it happens? Is this going to be where they caught?' And, 'why did they come to Eldorado?' I still don't know."
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Side note - someone might have luck google earthing the place - but so far i've struck out.
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Nothing to worry about if what I read on this board is true:
IF IT AIN'T MUSLIMINISM, YOU AIN'T BLOWING! (tm)
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wow...
http://www.childbrides.org/photos.html
(http://www.childbrides.org/images/nov_11_FLDS_YFZ_overview.jpg)
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We've got nuke the site from orbit... it's the only way to be sure.
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Who says they are dangerous? Have they stockpiled small arms or have they tried obtaining weapons of mass destruction? Have they done anything illegal?
Polygamy isn't enough reason to rush in their with armored personnel carriers... heck, to minimize it further, if we want to legalize gay marriage then this will be legal too.
Granted, I don't agree with any of it and it is sort of bizarre, but it doesn't require a warrant to storm the property.
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My compound will be bigger and have a brewery. Men will not be allowed to marry, but will have 8 slutty girlfriends each. We'll generate income with revenue from internet porn. We'll all be armed in case someone wants to steal our beer, women or porn.
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^It will be a bit like the kennedy estate, only bigger... with no Ted.
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compound? Are high schools compounds? Isn't "compound" a bit of a loaded word?
What I think is that so long as there are republicans in power they will leave these people alone to worship as they please... the local sheriff will come and go as he pleases and everything will be fine.
If the democrats get in with their liberal love of humanity..... they will send in a couple hundred ninjas with machine guns and tanks and level the place.
"to save the children" of course.
lazs
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I'll worry when they start to blow themselves up in Pizza hut in the name of their Lizard Space God
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mini d , i want to join.
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Originally posted by Delirium
Who says they are dangerous? Have they stockpiled small arms or have they tried obtaining weapons of mass destruction? Have they done anything illegal?
Polygamy isn't enough reason to rush in their with armored personnel carriers... heck, to minimize it further, if we want to legalize gay marriage then this will be legal too.
Granted, I don't agree with any of it and it is sort of bizarre, but it doesn't require a warrant to storm the property.
Since when did it become illeagal to stockpile small arms?
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Wow.
So why are these people a threat again?
Is the leader suposedly molesting children?
Does the ATF have it out for them because that have guns?
Has the government come up with some reason to run them over with tanks and burn the place down yet?
Unless part 2 has something sinister, I think the only thing to worry about is the ATF, FBI, or DEA or some other government agency will go there trump up some charges and burn children alive.
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So far as I can see in the story there hasn't been a single Federal, State or County statute broken with what they have done. All I see is a small town newspaper packing their paper with pictures of people who want to be left alone. Until there is some evidence that some kind of actual crime has been committed there is no justification for pandering to someone elses sense of doom and gloom.
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I don't see what the big deal is. They're not bothering anyone and last time I checked we still have religious freedom in the US.
Let them build their own community and live in peace.
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They have lots of guns and molest young girls, hmmm, where have I heard this one before.
shamus
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Originally posted by Shamus
They have lots of guns and molest young girls, hmmm, where have I heard this one before.
shamus
From the government agents right before they burned people alive?
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I don't get it, what's the story. That these people are really efficient log home builders?
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"That these people are really efficient log home builders?"
cant be, otherwise we would have ninja`d the amish years ago...
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Originally posted by vorticon
"That these people are really efficient log home builders?"
cant be, otherwise we would have ninja`d the amish years ago...
Oh, their time is coming. Just wait.
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Originally posted by majic
Oh, their time is coming. Just wait.
Thos pesky smelling Omish have had it coming for years :t :furious
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maybe they want texas to become a county of utah
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Originally posted by lazs2
compound? Are high schools compounds? Isn't "compound" a bit of a loaded word?
My thoughts exactly. Compounds keep people in and they never get out, right?:) Maybe I should make a compound, a few quonset huts on 100 acres, and we would all be equals. Maybe.
Oh and I agree with Engine, about nuking them from orbit. Hell let's do it from a B-29, it would be neat. Best 4th of July, ever.
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Oh this is not good.
These people are actualy assembling. What gives them the right to do this?
Crank up the helos and break out the tanks and incendaries. This place and all the people must be burnt immediatly................... .............to save them.
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It's not REALLY an LDS splinter group.
I hear they supply the pre-teen virgins to islamic martyrs.
....kinda a training-bra camp for AQ.
These muslim grape peeler recruiters MUST be stopped.
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Originally posted by nirvana
Hell let's do it from a B-29, it would be neat. Best 4th of July, ever.
a B29? you really are out of touch with reality.
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Send in the ATF. They have experience with this sort of thing.
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yep... once the ATF gets about four or five ninjas shot to pieces we will have an excuse to send in the mili... er... the FBI.
lazs
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I have a close friend who is Church of latter day saints and although I dont belive in the same way he does we have repsect for eachothers beliefs.
The Government needs to leave these folks alone unless they can PROVE some laws are being broken or that they are a threat to national security.
In America we have a right to be Odd balls and kooks as long as we dont hurt anyone.
I think after the Waco and ruby ridge cluster%$#^# that the feds are going to be more carefull about stomping all over some folks civil rights.
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Can u say WACO
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I have a question concerning Waco. I remember seeing on TV some Alabama national guard units there with a huge Alabama flag. This drew my attention, and what I'd like to know is, why were they in Texas? Isn't that illegal to have state guards operating in another state? Not trying to start an argument, but is a sincere question. Can anyone answer this?
Les
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Originally posted by Leslie
I have a question concerning Waco. I remember seeing on TV some Alabama national guard units there with a huge Alabama flag. This drew my attention, and what I'd like to know is, why were they in Texas? Isn't that illegal to have state guards operating in another state? Not trying to start an argument, but is a sincere question. Can anyone answer this?
Les
You sure its was the NG? It might have been the Klan:huh
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Never heard that theory before. Doesn't seem plausible to me, but the news mentioned the NG and that's why I asked.
Les
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Originally posted by Mini D
^It will be a bit like the kennedy estate, only bigger... with no Ted.
:p
You tool:D
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Originally posted by fartwinkle
I have a close friend who is Church of latter day saints and although I dont belive in the same way he does we have repsect for eachothers beliefs.
The Government needs to leave these folks alone unless they can PROVE some laws are being broken or that they are a threat to national security.
In America we have a right to be Odd balls and kooks as long as we dont hurt anyone.
We need to be preemptive, take them out now before they DO become a threat. I believe that when we go in there, we'll find plenty of rules violations.
However many troops we might need...double it
:aok
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Originally posted by john9001
a B29? you really are out of touch with reality.
Hey, I've seen Fifi fly with my very own eyes. It's within the realm of possibility, no matter how slight.
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So far this is much ado about nothing. While it is very convenient to draw comparisons to Waco and the crap that happened there, it is far too early to be concerned.
Is this kind of attention going to crop up everytine someone decides to drop out of society and live by themselves?? What the hell would thoreu (sp) think if the media decended on waldon pond to film his departure from society.
Laz, While I do not condone what occured at Waco it was not nearly the one sided situation that is often portrayed, or like Ruby Ridge. There were 2 sides at fault for the loss of life at Waco. Especially for the loss of the kids.
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Originally posted by Maverick
There were 2 sides at fault for the loss of life at Waco.
Yes, but one side more than the other.
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Originally posted by ChickenHawk
Yes, but one side more than the other.
That would be the dead side.
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Originally posted by Mini D
My compound will be bigger and have a brewery. Men will not be allowed to marry, but will have 8 slutty girlfriends each. We'll generate income with revenue from internet porn. We'll all be armed in case someone wants to steal our beer, women or porn.
I'm in.
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mav... some blame could be laid on the branch dividians at Waco but I would say that probly 90% or better belonged to the government. there was no reason for them to even be there. They were invited to come and look around. No hostility to any law enforcement people had ever been shown by the davidians.... just the oppossite in fact. The people were fired upon by government forces for no reason and so felt their lives were in danger.
At one point... the negotiator tells the davidians that if they try to come out to surrender they will be killed.
Ruby ridge was also an attack on citizens by large groups of government police over what is essentialy a minor tax matter against people who have had no history of ever being agressive against law enforcement.
lazs
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Originally posted by Red Tail 444
We need to be preemptive, take them out now before they DO become a threat. I believe that when we go in there, we'll find plenty of rules violations.
However many troops we might need...double it
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LOL are you for real?
Preemptive huh! well i guess with that way of thinking we should arrest all inner city young black males before they become crack dealers and pimps.
We happen to live in a country that has this irratating little rule of law.
Innocent until PROVEN guilty.
Oh and lets not forget one of the main reasons there is an America is freedom of religeon.
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Originally posted by lazs2
Ruby ridge was also an attack on citizens by large groups of government police over what is essentialy a minor tax matter against people who have had no history of ever being agressive against law enforcement.
lazs
You got that right lazs:aok
Infact the only thing ruby ridge did was KILL a woman holding a bay in her arms.
Ruby ridge was nothing but the feds flexin there muscles and showing there arses and it backfired.
I firmly believe that America is soo lucky that we have the RIGHT to arm ourselves and IMHO all Americans have a duty to do so.
An armed population will for the most part keep our government from walking all over its citizens.
Like Mr Heston said you wany my guns? fine come pry them out of my cold dead hands.
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If, with the stroke of a pen, the government issues a 'turn 'em in or go to jail order' and thereby makes the gun owners 'criminals' the exceeding majority will surrender their arms meekly.
In a nation where every gas pump has a security camera pointed at it, where money is digital, were the citizens must have ID on their person at all times by law, where access to bridges, interstate highways, public transportation is controlled and or closely monitored, resistance is futile.
Most people, facing a choice of carrying on with their comfortable lives unarmed or becoming a felon by resisting will simply fold. The average guy, with a mortgage, a wife, kids and a job will not use that weapon to resist [/i]and thereby 'throw everything away' when faced with the final choice. They will surrender their arms.
We're just about there now... and all bluster aside... reality bites.
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Originally posted by Sandman
That would be the dead side.
Don't believe everything the government tells you Sandy.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
If, with the stroke of a pen, the government issues a 'turn 'em in or go to jail order' and thereby makes the gun owners 'criminals' the exceeding majority will surrender their arms meekly.
In a nation where every gas pump has a security camera pointed at it, where money is digital, were the citizens must have ID on their person at all times by law, where access to bridges, interstate highways, public transportation is controlled and or closely monitored, resistance is futile.
Most people, facing a choice of carrying on with their comfortable lives unarmed or becoming a felon by resisting will simply fold. The average guy, with a mortgage, a wife, kids and a job will not use that weapon to resist [/i]and thereby 'throw everything away' when faced with the final choice. They will surrender their arms.
We're just about there now... and all bluster aside... reality bites.
Hum I guess someone forget to tell all of those rebs who died in the civil war.
We are the heavley armed population on the planet dont think for a minute that gun owners would just take it lying down.
Blood would be ankle deep in the streets.
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I have huge doubts about pointing my guns at American kids, wearing a uniform or not.
To shoot some Mom's son or daughter because he/she was just doing the duty assigined by their commander... that's a rough one.
What's the diffrence between an American Soldier fighting insurgents in Iraq and an American Soldier fighting 'insurgents' in Iowa?
Enh?
What about the cop that lives down the street.. known him for 20 years. I'm gonna have to shoot him because he's not over for a beer today?
The whole thing is filled with hard... VERY hard choices. It's all well and good to spout off about 'blood ankle deep in the streets'... but I just think it's bravado. Most won't opt to kill for the intangible concept of 'rights'.
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Originally posted by fartwinkle
I have a close friend who is Church of latter day saints and although I dont belive in the same way he does we have repsect for eachothers beliefs.
The Government needs to leave these folks alone unless they can PROVE some laws are being broken or that they are a threat to national security.
In America we have a right to be Odd balls and kooks as long as we dont hurt anyone.
I think after the Waco and ruby ridge cluster%$#^# that the feds are going to be more carefull about stomping all over some folks civil rights.
IIRC Kiddie fiddling is illegal in texas.
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If there is no hard and fast proof of wrongdoing, then they should be left alone.
I hope they build the buildings out of fireproof material.
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does this mean I can't have my harem??????????:cry
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Originally posted by Dago
If there is no hard and fast proof of wrongdoing, then they should be left alone.
I hope they build the buildings out of fireproof material.
polygamy, underage marriage, underage sex...
In June 2005, Warren Jeffs was charged with sexual assault on a minor, and with conspiracy to commit sexual conduct with a minor for arranging the marriage between a 16-year-old girl and a 28 year old man who was already married. The events allegedly occurred in 2002. He faces his charges in Mohave County, Arizona. In July 2005, the Arizona Attorney General's office distributed wanted posters offering $10,000 (just recently it has been put up to $50,000) for information leading to the arrest of Jeffs, who is considered a fugitive. Recently Jeffs was put on the FBI's most wanted fugitive list.
yeah no hard and fast proof of wrongdoing *cough* BS *cough*
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Originally posted by Vulcan
polygamy, underage marriage, underage sex...
yeah no hard and fast proof of wrongdoing *cough* BS *cough*
Just because this clown broke the law does not meen that the whole outfit is guilty.
And futher more If the girls parents are part of this group and they aprove of the marriage then whos buisness is it anyways?
With all the kids being born to unwed girls in this country you would think that
we as a society would have more to worry about that what a few select people do in the privacy of there own little world.
As long as there is no abuse or weapons violations its none of my bees wax and i for one could care less.
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Originally posted by fartwinkle
And futher more If the girls parents are part of this group and they aprove of the marriage then whos buisness is it anyways?
Ya know you're right Jim, who cares if 40 year old men are doing 12 year old girls... pass the koolaid.
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Hangtime,
In the scenario you are talking about you have to take another tack on it. There will be more than a few of those "kids in uniform" or wearing the "blue suit" who will not be enforcing something like you are talking about. They will be joining the "other side". Just because you wear a uniform does not make you a non thinking robot.
Possibly Marines excepted>>>>>>>>>>
GD&R :p
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Originally posted by Vulcan
Ya know you're right Jim, who cares if 40 year old men are doing 12 year old girls... pass the koolaid.
Up until, what, 1920? In many areas of the world, including America, 12 was the age many young girls got married. And they married OLDER, frequently 40 and over, men!
Why? Because the younger males couldn't support a family YET!
Not saying it was right, or that it is right, saying what WAS.
As to who cares? Hey some of these 12 year olds, thanks perhaps to our new teaching techniques, and perhaps the increase of growth hormones injected into nearly everything we eat, THINK themselves ready, THINK themselves able, and are actively, and aggresively looking for ................
Some parents DON'T have a clue. Some parents do but don't seem to care.
Not saying that this situation is right, saying what IS.
IMHO fartwinkle may be taking a more realistic look at things......................
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Originally posted by Maverick
Hangtime,
In the scenario you are talking about you have to take another tack on it. There will be more than a few of those "kids in uniform" or wearing the "blue suit" who will not be enforcing something like you are talking about. They will be joining the "other side". Just because you wear a uniform does not make you a non thinking robot.
Possibly Marines excepted>>>>>>>>>>
GD&R :p
HUH:O :O
Marines excepted :O :O :furious :furious :furious :furious
BURN THE WITCH BURN THE WITCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally posted by wrag
Up until, what, 1920? In many areas of the world, including America, 12 was the age many young girls got married. And they married OLDER, frequently 40 and over, men!
hey lets not forget other cool things from history... like slavery, human sacrafices, racism, colonial rule of America by the british... if we're gonna bring back pedophilia then why not roll the rest of em in
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Originally posted by Vulcan
hey lets not forget other cool things from history... like slavery, human sacrafices, racism, colonial rule of America by the british... if we're gonna bring back pedophilia then why not roll the rest of em in
Whoa there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Did you read what I posted?????
I did NOT say bring it back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Are we jumping to conclusions here?
I stated what I see as facts. Stuff I have garnered over some 50 years of watching our system. There are people out there that very much want such things to be alright! One or two are even college professors with tenure! Got a couple of Psych types claiming it does NO HARM but is actually GOOD for em. Go check it out. The information is there for you to see.
Have you looked at what is being taught to young people in schools??????
Much of what is supposedly education SEEMS to be incouraging the above mentioned behavour.
If you object take it up with the school systems and the people promoting it.
And you might wanna take it up with some of these 12 year olds that listen to their teachers and their peers and are acting on it!
GEEZ did we fall off on the deep end this morning or what????
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Originally posted by Vulcan
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pass the koolaid. [/B]
hey, this tastes funny......:O
That place should make a hell of a fire.
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Originally posted by Vulcan
Ya know you're right Jim, who cares if 40 year old men are doing 12 year old girls... pass the koolaid.
And we send 18 year olds to die for other countrys so whats your point.
Granted I think 12 is way too young for any kind of relationship other than the ones with there friends and family.
But the burden of proof is on the feds as we really have no idea what they are really doing.
Unless you have seen it with your own eyes you dont know squat.
They chose this life and with there parents concent it truly is none of anyones buisness cause ya know sometimes the world dont want to be saved.
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Originally posted by fartwinkle
LOL are you for real?
Preemptive huh! well i guess with that way of thinking we should arrest all inner city young black males before they become crack dealers and pimps.
We happen to live in a country that has this irratating little rule of law.
Innocent until PROVEN guilty.
Oh and lets not forget one of the main reasons there is an America is freedom of religeon.
Your
ISP has been logged...you're goin down :D
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Originally posted by fartwinkle
And we send 18 year olds to die for other countrys so whats your point.
Granted I think 12 is way too young for any kind of relationship other than the ones with there friends and family.
But the burden of proof is on the feds as we really have no idea what they are really doing.
Unless you have seen it with your own eyes you dont know squat.
They chose this life and with there parents concent it truly is none of anyones buisness cause ya know sometimes the world dont want to be saved.
I'm sorry... I didn't realize that where you go to school they teach 12 = 18.
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Originally posted by Slash27
' That place should make a hell of a fire.
screw the kiilaid, pass the burgers.
BTW it was flavorade :)
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If someone at that is living at that church is commiting a crime then get a warrant and have the sherriff go and arrest him. No big deal...
Don't send 600 ninjas before first light with military gear and SOG "advisors" to shoot the place into swiss cheese and then burn the place to the ground.
Hang... you are correct the vast majority would simply turn in some of their guns and some would even obey the letter of the law but...
Why hasn't government done this yet if that is the case? because they respect the constitution and us as a people? don't make me laugh... if they thought they could they would. No, they realize that with 80 million or more gun owners in the country.... if even one percent of em went hard core... that would be 800,000 ruby ridges... How would they get 600 ninjas for each of those 800,000 "criminals"?
plus... once the fighting started... how many women and children murdered would it take before everyone else got tired of government arrogance and violence? 28? 100? 1000? surely not 10,000?
Plus... the government knows that it would be lucky to get 30 million of the 300 million guns out there to be turned in... the rest would be a sword dangling over their bed.
As mav says... what troops you gonna get to arrest their own friends and relatives? Hell... we ain't your-0-peeans here...
how effective would swat be if someone called in a threat and then RPG'd the black bread truck they drive? Most of the rest would just turn in their uniforms.
lazs
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Laz, I really don't have a lot to lose. I've made my choice; should Uncle Sam go commie on my ass, I'll use 'em before I lose 'em.
I just don't see Dick and Jane American seeing this as 'their' fight. My America is already history, I'm living in Dick and Janes world now. Since Dick and Jane are pretty much pussified PC whimps and folks like you and me are being further marginalized every year, since I see the rights my forefathers beld for being tossed out to give Dick and Jane a bit more security, since I see the media fall even further under the control of the corportate spin machine...
Really, you think Americans like you and I stand a snowballs chance in hell of becoming anything more than a pitiful footnote in tomorrows history books?
I think we've probably already lost this fight... Americans won't fight for ideals anymore. We can't even stay focused on crooks in Washington and murderers in Pakistan. They went after the kids.. dumbed down the education system, turned it into a liberal playground and have effectively created a glorification program desigined to produce the dumbed down, hand out recipients they want.
I don't see any bright spots on the storm clouds on my horizon. It's coming. And when it gets here, we'll not be able to dick-all to stop it beyond offering token resistance outta the nursing homes.
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Originally posted by Vulcan
I'm sorry... I didn't realize that where you go to school they teach 12 = 18.
Well let me know when kindergarden is out will you.
If you are too stupid to see that i was making a joke then i cant help you any further grasshopper:aok
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Originally posted by Hangtime
Laz, I really don't have a lot to lose. I've made my choice; should Uncle Sam go commie on my ass, I'll use 'em before I lose 'em.
I just don't see Dick and Jane American seeing this as 'their' fight. My America is already history, I'm living in Dick and Janes world now. Since Dick and Jane are pretty much pussified PC whimps and folks like you and me are being further marginalized every year, since I see the rights my forefathers beld for being tossed out to give Dick and Jane a bit more security, since I see the media fall even further under the control of the corportate spin machine...
Really, you think Americans like you and I stand a snowballs chance in hell of becoming anything more than a pitiful footnote in tomorrows history books?
I think we've probably already lost this fight... Americans won't fight for ideals anymore. We can't even stay focused on crooks in Washington and murderers in Pakistan. They went after the kids.. dumbed down the education system, turned it into a liberal playground and have effectively created a glorification program desigined to produce the dumbed down, hand out recipients they want.
I don't see any bright spots on the storm clouds on my horizon. It's coming. And when it gets here, we'll not be able to dick-all to stop it beyond offering token resistance outta the nursing homes.
Dont bet on it hang.
I still have faith in the average American.
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Originally posted by Red Tail 444
Your
ISP has been logged...you're goin down :D
Take your best shot skippy.
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Originally posted by Vulcan
I'm sorry... I didn't realize that where you go to school they teach 12 = 18.
Are you being deliberatly OBTUSE or do you just like to be irratating?
We have sent many 18 year olds into battles all over the world. They have died fighting for other countries.
Where do you get 12 = 18?
Are you ignoring the facts that are all over the place for you to look up or what?
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Originally posted by Hangtime
I don't see any bright spots on the storm clouds on my horizon. It's coming. And when it gets here, we'll not be able to dick-all to stop it beyond offering token resistance outta the nursing homes.
I'll give em a round for the geezers!
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hang... yes... yes I do. It would not take millions of Americans to make the big sacrafice. It would take a tiny fraction of the people like yourself who have decided in their mind that they have nothing left to lose and living in dick and janes version of 1984 is too much.
Like I said.. swat bread trucks RPG's.... How many times will the government goon squads kill innocent people in their raids? Most people will maybe not pick up an RPG but if they cheer on those who do.... Good enough. How many fires in how many places can the government sent elite brainwashed troops to at one time? they won't send one on one either.... they can't function that way anymore... they will need a 30 to one advantage every time... they are clumsy and they will kill other peoples pets and children.
They are trained to fire 4,000 rounds at the first shot... none of which are aimed in any way that you or I would recognize as aimed fire.
people won't like having their kids a block away being killed by federal fire or being evacuated and then having the whole block accidentaly burned down by the ninjas.
It takes time and money and coordination and resources to plan any raid these days and they can't go in like it is a war. and... they allways make mistakes and... all the time they spend planning and executing and screwing up the thing is nothing compared to the time and resources they have to use to explain why they did it and what went wrong...
Anyway... not saying it will happen... better the pendulum swings back the other way obviously but... the government is getting so heavy handed that allready.... this thread as an example... we are questioning what they will do before anything even happens.... we aren't blindly on their side this time like most were at Waco and Ruby ridge at first...
At Waco and Ruby ridge probly 90% of us bought into how evil and dangerous those folks were..... now... we know that they were pretty much harmless eccentrics who were commiting crimes that hurt no one, and/or could have been handled simply and without any one getting hurt.
I don't think anyone doesn't think the govenment had the greatest part in causing the problem. see what I mean? How many Waco's can the govenment survive?
lazs
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Originally posted by wrag
Are you being deliberatly OBTUSE or do you just like to be irratating?
We have sent many 18 year olds into battles all over the world. They have died fighting for other countries.
Where do you get 12 = 18?
Are you ignoring the facts that are all over the place for you to look up or what?
Are you deliberately being illiterate? Maybe you should read the quote I replied too (unless fartwinkle is your shadow account?)
Ohh, and fartwinkle don't ever get into standup comedy ;)
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Is the purse fight over?
Good.
Here is the 2nd part to this load of hog crap.
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Compound of Concern: Pt. 2
ELDORADO, TEXAS - They're afraid a polygamous church group will take over their town. Many people who live in Eldorado and Schleicher County are worried. The Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (FLDS) has a huge compound just outside of town. The church's leader, Warren Jeffs, is wanted by Arizona authorities, who say he arranged for children to marry men.
Jeffs is known to have made racist remarks. Here's a tape of his teachings obtained by the Eldorado Success newspaper ... "You see, some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, or rude and filthy, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon humankind."
It's comments like that that have many in the town concerned.
Another reason they're worried is that they don't know who these people are or what they do. Some residents fear the members of this secretive polygamous church will blend in and become part of their community ... perhaps a leading part.
"We don't ever see them," resident Teresa Baker-Shirley said. "If they ever came into town, the majority of us wouldn't have a clue. They could walk up to us, and we wouldn't know who they were."
"The women stay, pretty much, at the compound," Michael Redwine, who lives near the FLDS compound, pointed out. "The men dress pretty much like the rest of us do. So, I wouldn't know them if I saw them."
Schleicher County Sheriff David Doran believes it's that fear of the unknown that has taken over Eldorado.
"Of course, everybody wants to compare it to Waco," he acknowledged. "Because that's the only thing that they can compare it to. Because it's a religious group living together."
"They're more the type of group that wants to keep a low profile. They want to remain under the radar. They do not want to make waves or cause problems."
Publisher Randy Mankin first reported the compound's existence nearly two years ago in Eldorado's small weekly newspaper. He says the community's attitudes haven't changed much since then.
"People are very suspicious, I think, still," he observed. "As in any community, there's many opinions. Some folks say, 'leave them alone ... they're not bothering me.' Others want to go in and kick the doors in, and drag them out and run them back to Utah."
Baker-Shirley knows why many want the group to get out.
"People are afraid that, one day, they'll infiltrate the politics, the courthouse, and the schools," she explained. "And, for people who have been here for generations, that is unnerving."
She believes some people are trying to leave town now, before the group rises to power.
"We don't want to be known for that," she said. "We're just a small, rural town. We're trying to raise our kids the best we can, and be successful."
Eldorado's population is shrinking. State roadsigns show the population used to be more than 2,000. The new signs being set up show the latest census at just 1,950. That declining population, residents worry, would make it easier for the fundamentalist Mormons to become the majority in Eldorado and Schleicher County.
"If they get enough registered voters, and take over the city government, it could be like Utah," Wilson suggested.
But the sheriff doesn't see that happening.
"What I do believe is, we'll see some of the higher church officials living out here, and maybe some more residential structures going up," he predicted. "But, I don't see the population getting up in the thousands."
Doran also doesn't think people need to worry about the group sending students into the county's schools.
"They have no plans to send their children to our schools," he pointed out. "They want to home-teach, and they understand that they have to get under a Texas home school curriculum to be in compliance."
But, on Main Street and at the tables of an Eldorado restaurant, people are still talking ... it's difficult for them to forget about their newest neighbors.
"It's monstrous ... it's huge," said Redwine, referring to the temple that is the center of the FLDS compound. "It pretty much sticks up as high as the water tower."
Redwine sees that new temple every time he steps out his back door.
"They're just like that neighbor that lives next door, that you don't like," he commented. "But, what can you do about it?"
Like so many other longtime residents of this small West Texas town, the FLDS and their compound are almost always in the back of his mind. He fears it will forever keep his quiet community in a spotlight they never wanted.
"Something bad will happen out there," he predicted. "I don't know what ... I don't know if it'll be like Waco or Ruby Ridge, but, someday, something bad is going to happen."
The Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints never gives media interviews. So, NewsWest 9 has been unable to get their side of the story.
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I wonder a couple of things about this story.
#1 I wonder who "pointed the way" to this story and how it was to be presented.
#2 I wonder if this guy has any idea what he said in this quote, in what context if he said it.
"Something bad will happen out there," he predicted. "I don't know what ... I don't know if it'll be like Waco or Ruby Ridge, but, someday, something bad is going to happen."
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Jackal.. that's downright freakin Waco... err whacked. The church leader sounds like a classic cult nutjob. The townspeople sound like... rural hicks.
A new time bomb in west texas. just a matter of time before that one goes up. or off.
Laz.. on the other topic; I suspect that thanks to media control any 'uprising' by gun owners would be played to the populace like 'domestic terrorists attack peace officers'. Just like Ruby Ridge and Waco.. the truth wouldn't be in play till well after we were in the ground.
If ever.
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hang... play it any way they want... let the media hump their leg..none of it would matter. They can't expalin away daily attacks on government by hundreds of thousands of Americans... People will start to question just who is to blame... as the government cracks down on the citizens with more "security" it would just make more people question... believe me.. the government is terrified that even a thousand normal citizens would do such a thing... they have no way to deal with it.
Govenment rules by our consent. We outnumber them by a huge margin. Whoever is ahead in the popularity poles is the one running things..
It isn't just gun owners.. It is people who don't want their government to be their mommy... they just don't realize yet (some of em) that ya gotta be a gun owner to back it up...
as for the article... "compouund"? People fear them because they.... they what? Made racist remarks? look like us? Might get into politics? pretty funny really.... heck they even..... (gasp) HOME SCHOOL!!! how can their kids get the normal daily requirement of indoctrinization if they don't go to government school?
lazs
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Just typical fear of the unknown by a bunch of inbreads.
Really simple here folks just leave them alone.
I guess its human nature to fear things you know nothing of remember how
they used to fear the black men in the south?
Same crap "those" people there dont pray the same way we do so they must be
kooks and perverts.
Get a grip west Texas and mind yer own buisness.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
Jackal.. that's downright freakin Waco... err whacked. The church leader sounds like a classic cult nutjob. The townspeople sound like... rural hicks.
Well......I`m a rural hick.:)
I think the point I was trying to make is that the whole article is so clearly one sided and "manufactured" that it is almost see through. It is very obvious that someone pointed the way and steered the direction for the article to have a "desired effect". I don`t beleive it is getting the desired effect, but the oppositie.
The statement about it being another "Waco or Ruby Ridge" says to me.....Killing women and children for no apparent or feasible reason in the case of Waco. Ruby Ridge brings up visions of government backed hired guns shooting a 14 year old in the back, then proceeding to pick off the rest of the family. Cowardice would be a good word for it in my opinion.
I believe the "desired effect" of that statement was included to scare the public in genreal. What it did for me was piss me off.
Lazs said
as for the article... "compouund"? People fear them because they.... they what? Made racist remarks? look like us? Might get into politics? pretty funny really.... heck they even..... (gasp) HOME SCHOOL!!! how can their kids get the normal daily requirement of indoctrinization if they don't go to government school?
I was thinking the same thing. It is pretty hilarious the way it was put. Makes it appear that the things that are being feared are the things that are asked for every citizen to participate in.
The fear factor certainly won`t be coming from the area folks around them. They have nothing to fear. Who does have something to fear from people who decide to pull away from what is considered "mainstream" and unite in numbers? I think the answer to that is obvious. Maybe the "fear" is coming from those who have something to fear IF they decide to , once again, go down this road. The general public is not going to take another Waco or Ruby Ridge sitting down I believe. Well......as a matter of fact.........the public at Ruby Ridge did not in the long run. They got involved . If they had not, nobody would have came out of there breathing.
Fartwrinkle said.......
Just typical fear of the unknown by a bunch of inbreads.
and.......
Get a grip west Texas and mind yer own buisness.
A prime example of the "desired effect". I think it would be considered a very small minority.
By "fear of the unkown by a bunch of inbreads" , as was stated sort of shows the mindset it takes to buy into the article. (It`s inbred btw :))
Also I can guarantee it`s not the people of west Texas that has the problem and needs to "mind yer own business".
It sort of goes off course, but I`m more than a little curious what period of time the people of the south feared the black men.