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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: weazel on October 13, 2001, 03:36:00 PM
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Originally posted by Ripsnort in another thread:
I am particularly interested in replies from our friends that are left of center, the FD-ski's, the Weazels, the Nash's, etc. Whats your take on this? National security issue or infringement on ones rights?
I'm curious, why am I labeled "left of center"?
Is it because I think Bush is a dolt, because I recognize Ashcroft as the racist that he is, or because I find right wing philosophy contemptable?
I believe in a strong military, am against abortion on demand, believe in God, so what criteria do you right wingers use to label people?
No matter what label the right wing may apply to me or my beliefs I feel secure in the knowledge that I'm on the RIGHT side in regards to the Constitution and Bill of Rights of the United States of America.
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Originally posted by weazel:
I'm curious, why am I labeled "left of center"?
Is it because I think Bush is a dolt, because I recognize Ashcroft as the racist that he is, or because I find right wing philosophy contemptable?
I believe in a strong military, am against abortion on demand, believe in God, so what criteria do you right wingers use to label people?
No matter what label the right wing may apply to me or my beliefs I feel secure in the knowledge that I'm on the RIGHT side in regards to the Constitution and Bill of Rights of the United States of America.
LOL...I love this Right Wing, Left Wing crap.
The need to lable is a VERY curious human trait.
And the "Left of Center" or "Right of Center" is just plain funny!
Step back and clear the wing ideas from your mind. Now, think about the center. THE CENTER! The middle...half way from either side, the mean of the average, the point where ballance can be found.
Ballance? Good idea.
See, the biggest problem in our country (USA) is that we have to much load on the wings! What I mean is: while we may be centered and somewhat ballanced, we have more stress because of the distances that are created by moving further from the center.
For the past 4 weeks, we have all been drawn to the center, and America has had a SUPERB mental ballance.
Now the wings are begining to get loaded again and the ballance is shifting.
Criteria: Weazel, you want to know what criteria was used to label you, but you also designate a label when you say "...you right wingers."
What are your criteria? When you realize what criteria you use, then hold it to the mirror and you will have an answer to your own question.
Constitution/Bill of Rights: Yes, you are holding to the design of these great documents; in part. What you are failing to identify is that the authors of these documents realized that change is a necessary part of existance. They designed these documents, and our government, so that change can be embraced.
What that means is that 2 different ideals are both acceptable.
Consider also that the truth may lie in the middle of 2 different ideals. This truth may be, and often is, the ballance that is shared by the "True" majority.
I hope that inspires some anti wing philosophy. :)
When we do not allow ourselves to cross the line, we force an unballance that must be countered to maintain ballance.
IE. NO ABORTION PERIOD...ballanced by...AT WILL ABORTION. Forcing extremes. The obvious middle is to eliminate the need for the majority. However, because the 2 wings are so intent on getting their way, they can't find a way to eliminate the need.
So, organizations are founded to try to eliminate the need. Then, because these organizations do not fit into either of the wing's ideals, they come under attack from the wings. All the while, the wings are too stubborn to see the solution lies in the center.
One other example: Gun control and the wings.
No guns, no one can die of a gunshot. Everyone has a gun, then anyone can die from a gunshot. The middle...why does anyone need to be shot? Because they don't agree with the POV of a wing.
Viper
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The "wings" aren't loaded at all. They just yell and scream more than the great majority that rides in the center.
And unfortunately the media gobbles it up because controversy is entertainment. The vast majority in the middle makes for boring news.
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Please name one, just one, "middle of the roader" who did anything of note in US history?
Our strength doesn't lie in the middle, it lies in the "wings". The middle is made up of people who are waiting to find out which way the wind blows. These are sheep, not people with strong political beliefs. The US will lose in every way if everyone was a "middle of the roader". Give me people with views that are opposed to each other and I will show you the very heart of our Republic. The wings produce, through political debate, a direction a nation like the US needs to be fresh and vibrante!!
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if you dont stand for something, you will fall for anything.
and i agree with 1776.
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Originally posted by 1776:
Please name one, just one, "middle of the roader" who did anything of note in US history?
Our strength doesn't lie in the middle, it lies in the "wings". The middle is made up of people who are waiting to find out which way the wind blows. These are sheep, not people with strong political beliefs. The US will lose in every way if everyone was a "middle of the roader". Give me people with views that are opposed to each other and I will show you the very heart of our Republic. The wings produce, through political debate, a direction a nation like the US needs to be fresh and vibrante!!
An interesting perspective. Unfortunately, it seems that our modern electoral process favors the candidate that strides the middle ground.
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Please name one, just one, "middle of the roader" who did anything of note in US history?
i could name thousands, i see them every day when i get up and go to work. they are on the highways and jobs all over this country.
we're kinda hard to notice but if you look close you'll see that we are the ones paying the bills, growing the food, delivering it to your stores, keeping the lights on, ...ect
most of your loud right wing/left wing types just have too much time on there hands.
the only people who's opinions you hear are those with enough money to make there opinion heard or those with enough spare time to go to meetings and form comittees and coalitions(collage students, housewifes, and wellfare types, basicly those who have sombody else paying there bills for them)
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"i could name thousands, i see them every day when i get up and go to work. they are on the highways and jobs all over this country.
we're kinda hard to notice but if you look close you'll see that we are the ones paying the bills, growing the food, delivering it to your stores, keeping the lights on, ...ect"
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You have just defined what a conservative is. :) Welcome to the extreme right wing :)
Work ethic, and playing by the rules. Ya, you are an extreme right winger :) Welcome to the club :)
Most people live their lives as conservatives and even if they hold political views that are left they still play by the rules :) Ain't this a great country :)
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Nother wish I could remember where I heard this
"If you are not a liberal at 20 you have no heart,
if you are not a conservative at 40 you have no mind."
Of course the above does not apply if you inherited wealth, are a third generation welfare recipient, or a political science major. :D
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I try not to "wing" anyone.
I use my "mind" to decide what is best for myself and when some other "mind" decides something at odds with my what my "mind" decides I become naturally defensive.
Example:
Bush is as much a "dolt" as I or you are. No more, no less for he is simply a man.
Guns are a tool that I will not be denied use of and access to.
Abortion is justifiable homicide and not protected by the federal constitution.
many other examples but I will digress by saying that I agree to get along with eveyone else that agrees to get along with me. If a person tells me that they are going to kill me or demonstrates that they intend to do me harm then I will quite simply kill them first.
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Criteria: Weazel, you want to know what criteria was used to label you, but you also designate a label when you say "...you right wingers."
Fair enough, I only use "right wing" to catagorize the self named "conservatives" as they use "left wing" or "liberal" to describe others who don't agree with their <lol> 'vision for America'.
Constitution/Bill of Rights: Yes, you are holding to the design of these great documents; in part. What you are failing to identify is that the authors of these documents realized that change is a necessary part of existance. They designed these documents, and our government, so that change can be embraced.
What that means is that 2 different ideals are both acceptable.
Bzzztt, I don't agree with ANY changes to what the founding fathers envisioned.
I.E - certain inalienable rights afforded citizens of the U.S. -it's worked well for our 225 year history, it's not something to be fooled with, especially by the temporary occupant of the white house or his boot licking lackeys.
I find it strange the so called "leftist liberals" on this board hold these concepts as inviolable but the so called *right* wing is ready to toejam can them.
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You need both wings to fly :)
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Ohh, that's good, StSanta ;)
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The problem with either side are those who interpret perfectly clear, concise rights set forth in the Constitution in a manner to fit thier own agenda....something liberals and conservatives do with equal enthusiasm. My own convictions lead me as a middle of the roader to the conservative side. Why?...because liberals oppose the death sentence and support abortion (generally speaking), thats enough to get me thinking there's something....just not quite right about liberalism. Also...if it takes a so-called dolt to answer terrorism properly, then I'll vote for any dolt in any election. I'd like to know WHY this guy is a dolt...I just don't see it.
Tumor
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Why?...because liberals oppose the death sentence and support abortion (generally speaking), thats enough to get me thinking there's something....just not quite right about liberalism.
Turn that statement around. Given that no legal system convicts the right people 100% of the time, it follows that innocent people will be executed by capital punishment. Therefore, if conservatives oppose abortion and support the death sentence (generally speaking), doesn't that get you thinking "there's something... just not quite right about conservatism."?
Your generalisation don't make much sense, do they?
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Originally posted by Dowding:
Turn that statement around. Given that no legal system convicts the right people 100% of the time, it follows that innocent people will be executed by capital punishment. Therefore, if conservatives oppose abortion and support the death sentence (generally speaking), doesn't that get you thinking "there's something... just not quite right about conservatism."?
Your generalisation don't make much sense, do they?
Dowding...how do you equate the legal system convicting the right people 100% of the time to innocent people being executed, besides,
a legal system cannot operate with 100% correctness, we have to live with that, sad but true. Legalized abortion on the other hand, is a 100% garunteed death sentence to any child who's mother decides it to be so, no chance for defense, no legal system to turn to, no trial...just death. I'm not saying I'm for or against abortion..I'm saying the liberal point of view, sucks. :)
Tumor
Tumor
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I have nothing to add.. other than my opinions on gthe key issues of our times puts me firmly in both camps... and not in the middle.
How can that be??
Well.. I look at issues; not labels, not politicans. It's how I vote.
If yah wanna stick a label on me, I'd prefer you use this one:
AMERICAN
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What Hangtime said.........
The rest is just non-productive pontificating and hand-wringing. With a little idiotic name-calling thrown in.
Cobra
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Originally posted by Dowding:
Turn that statement around. Given that no legal system convicts the right people 100% of the time, it follows that innocent people will be executed by capital punishment. Therefore, if conservatives oppose abortion and support the death sentence (generally speaking), doesn't that get you thinking "there's something... just not quite right about conservatism."?
Your generalisation don't make much sense, do they?
Well It may not make much since to you, but it does to me.
On the Death Penalty- God Says-
Genesis 9:6 Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.
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You have just defined what a conservative is. Welcome to the extreme right wing
Work ethic, and playing by the rules. Ya, you are an extreme right winger Welcome to the club
i think you'd be hard pressed to label me as right wing.
unfortunatly the american working man has no political party anymore.
the republicans are a joke, they preach 'family values' while fighting minimum wage laws and work place safty laws.
you cant have family values if wages are so low that both parents have to work so many hours that nobody is raising the kids. i find it ironic that most christian groups alighn themselves with a party who has such a non-christian attitude when dealing with people less fortunate than themselves.
then you have the democratic party. financialy they are much better for the working man(generaly wages for workers go up, while under republicans we are doing good just to hold ground). however the democratic party has aligned itself with groups that are moraly bankrupt( pro-abortion, no prayer in schools,..ect)
and welfare benifits that exceed minimum wage. most of your working class americans are democrats, we just have the misfortune of being lumped into a party that has been highjacked by vocal idiots with to much time on there hands.
so you can see that i am not rightwing and i'm not leftwing, i'm that pissed off guy in the middle busting my bellybutton everry day to pay the bills and make sure my kids grow up to be better people than i am. and just wish'n the idots on both extreams would fall off the edge so the rest of us could get some work done
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Originally posted by capt. apathy:
then you have the democratic party. financialy they are much better for the working man(generaly wages for workers go up, while under republicans we are doing good just to hold ground).
You mean taxes go up and governemt spending programs giving handouts go up. Werent they gonna try and give grocery carts to homeless people at one point?
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Yep... it's all right there in the DNC agenda.
<sigh>
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Vote StSantaian next time, and I will GUARANTEE that you'll never have a discussion about this nonsense again.
You'll not have any discussions at all, unless I say so.
Hope that gives some perspective to this discussion :D.
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You mean taxes go up and governemt spending programs giving handouts go up. Werent they gonna try and give grocery carts to homeless people at one point?
No I mean what I said- wages go up.
When my father retired from the union I’m in now in '81 union scale for a construction boilermaker was about $18.75 per hour and about a buck per hour for your pension.
When I started in '89 scale was still $18.75
But all jobs where for 80% of scale so from roughly 80 to 89 we took a 20% cut in pay.
Around '92-'93 wages began to climb we now make $26.47 an hour with about $4 into pension.
So lets review-
Under republican prez, 20% pay cut and freeze in pension benefits over 8-9 yr.
Under democratic prez, aprox 65% increases in wages and 300% pension increase
Most trade unions had similar changes in those years. And other than the $600 I got this year very little of any tax break by republicans ever got down to a working class man.
I’m not especially fond of the Democratic Party but when I sat around the dinner table squeak'n about what a lying sleaze Clinton was, there was food on it.
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If you think liberalism sucks, then fine by me. I'm not a 'liberal' myself, since I have quite a variation of opinions on most issues, although many of those might be considered liberal.
Ammo - I'm no expert on the bible, but isn't there something in there which basically states 'Thou shalt not kill'? And frankly, basing modern day society on the writings of a bunch of people who were mystified by the sun's movements or the fact that water falls out of the sky is another issue that makes little sense to me.
Each to their own, I guess.
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Originally posted by Dowding:
Ammo - I'm no expert on the bible, but isn't there something in there which basically states 'Thou shalt not kill'?
[ 10-14-2001: Message edited by: Dowding ]
Well, for not being a liberal, this is a very fine example of liberal tactics...take something completely out of context and apply it to whatever fits the agenda. "Thou shalt not kill" is indeed one of the 10 commandments. It means...don't kill from the get go...the verse quoted by ammo is the punishment.
Tumor
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Oops-wrong profile.
[ 10-14-2001: Message edited by: jihad ]
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Originally posted by Dowding:
Ammo - I'm no expert on the bible, but isn't there something in there which basically states 'Thou shalt not kill'? And frankly, basing modern day society on the writings of a bunch of people who were mystified by the sun's movements or the fact that water falls out of the sky is another issue that makes little sense to me.
Hi dowding. The passage you refer to is part of the 10 commandments that Moses recieved from God. It can be refered to in Exodus chapter 20. In Exodus 31:18 the 2 tables of stone are refered to which carry the Law given to moses.
Ex 31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end to communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.
This is the ark of the Covenat which you saw Indiana Jones looking for in the movies. ;)
The 10 commandments are meant for each and every individual to follow. They were specifically meant for each man or woman. This is why some have confusion about the "thou shalt not kill" statement and the death penalty. It is not some hypocracy. God did not forget governments though, and throughout the Bible he has punished some (including the Israelites) and blessed some. His rules are there to read. Pick up a good study bible, and a good Strom's concordance. You cna learn much. First, I suggest you consider a relationship with Christ, as this neccessary to understand the Holiness of God and His word.
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I’m not especially fond of the Democratic Party but when I sat around the dinner table squeak'n about what a lying sleaze Clinton was, there was food on it.
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I like that :) I guess you were for the Vietnam war too as it put people to work and food on their tables,right. I guess you were for Jimmy Carter who help create the highest interest rates ever because your pay had to be increased just to maitain. I bet you were out in the streets cheering when Clinton increased taxes on the rich in 1993.
If you were for any one or all of these things you were directly hurt by them and didn't even know it :( Take a good look at your paycheck. look at your gross pay and then look at you net and tell me you are undertaxed. Look at your phone bill, gas bill, water bill, and anyother bill and just look at the hidden taxes in them. They weren't put their by the Republicans. They were put there when the Democrates for 40 years had power and they want to deny you the just passed tax (samll) relief. They will stop at nothing to fool ya into thinking they are for the small guy when the coszy up to the Hollywood types, media elite types, and the rich of this country.
Look at what the Democrats do, not their image!! These liberal Democrats want to control your entire life. They want to tell you when you can fart and for how long you can fart(enviromental damage, ya know).
Wolfes in sheep clothing :)
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Damn; now heres another thread gone rabid.
Or rancid.
Anyway, how about we try something new, kids.
Lets all look at each other and recite with me..
"In light of current events, left/right wing republicrats and tree huggers are not the enemy TODAY, terrorists have that distinction. So lets all get together on this 'snuff out terrorisim' thing, so we can get back to our comfy left/right wing republicrat treehugger bashing without miscreant foreign distractions."
Ok?? Feel better?? Kewl; now lets go play "Whack the taliban moles".
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As to Rip's orginal question (from that other thread):
"I am particularly interested in replies from our friends that are left of center, the FD-ski's, the Weazels, the Nash's, etc. Whats your take on this? National security issue or infringement on ones rights?"
Not much of either I think. "If I pick my nose on TV - you guys blow something up within 2 days". Nah... I don't see it. I *did* have a old drywall guy in fixing stuff who was listening to bin Laden's speech on the radio with us who said "Hhm... that guy has a point". Now - that aint the way I personally see it, but rest assured there would be others who would. And who am I or anyone else to say that his and their perspective is wrong? It's all subjective really isn't it? So maybe that's the kinda thing they're worried about? And I don't blame em. When you need your citizen's support you wanna see that it not get undermined. Makes sense to me.
Anyways, about the right wing left wing stuff...
Hippies annoy me, tree huggers annoy me. I don't enjoy eating granola. Poseur "anarchist" kids with spray paint are a joke. I hate my Gov spending money on stupid make work projects. I dabbled in hackeysack but it looks kinda goofy to me now. I like the dolphins as much as the next guy I guess but I think organizations like Green Peace have become some kind of parody. I have leather shoes and I really enjoy eating meat. Hemp is ok in theory but I don't care for the fabric myself... and I fly war games.
I like that a woman has the freedom to choose. It costs me, but I like knowing that people are being taken care of. I like walking in districts with many different immigrant cultures, and I like talking to my cab drivers (or for some here - the "rag heads"). I like that religion is something to be discovered and explored, not mandated. I like that so-called family values are up to the families. I like to know that my tires can cut corners but that the companies who manufacture my tires cannot, software companies aren't forcing honest folk out of business, or that the turkey at Thanksgiving dinner won't cause a huge botulin induced vomit-fest. I may not like every viewpoint in particular, but I like differing points of view. And I most certainly do NOT like being told by Ari Fleischer that I "need to watch what I say, watch what I do". Orwellian? I think maybe.
So... I dunno... What am I? There really AINT that big a difference between the Dems and the Republicans. One could easily argue that they are essentially the same party in fact, and that they are perfectly content with having the populace expend their energy debating minutia such as this instead of *really* questioning them (seriously).
However, if forced to choose, it just seems to me that the Dems really seem more to be of the people, for the people. I like that. I just don't see that with the Republicans. I mean... well no, I just don't. There are many ways one can look at the term "big government".... and I personally think that term is far more suited to the Republicans. Is it big government when they put up, say, a bunch of costly social programs? Or is it big government that would rubber stamp legislation allowing them to sniff around at my Internet traffic? Well, it's both. So I guess it's a matter of your own personal values, and which big government most aligns itself to them.
I dunno if this has become a commonplace term or not, but 10Bears said something I found to be hysterical. He called Rush Limbaugh's listeners "dittoheads". Nailed it. "Amen brother Rush, you said it!" But that is by *no* means territory held exclusively by the Republicans. We're all guilty of it. And well, that's probably exactly how *both* parties would have it... and we're such cooperative citizens aren't we? :)
Yeah... lets spend more time debating the nuiances of so called left and right and less time actually in fact really *examining* just wtf they've BOTH been up to at home and abroad for the last 50 years.
Personally... my thinking goes... If you've bought into this left/right and Dem/Rep stuff to the degree that you are becoming the epitome of cliche... you aint really bringing much to the table.
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First, I suggest you consider a relationship with Christ, as this neccessary to understand the Holiness of God and His word.
Ah, but wouldn't that make all my girlfriends jealous?
Sorry, couldn't resist <smiles sheepishly at ammo> :D
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Originally posted by StSanta:
Ah, but wouldn't that make all my girlfriends jealous?
Sorry, couldn't resist <smiles sheepishly at ammo> :D
I dont expect any less from you santa ;)
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You NEED both to fly that eagle...
xBAT
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weazel ".... I'm confused"
no toejam
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Originally posted by 1776:
"i could name thousands, i see them every day when i get up and go to work. they are on the highways and jobs all over this country.
we're kinda hard to notice but if you look close you'll see that we are the ones paying the bills, growing the food, delivering it to your stores, keeping the lights on, ...ect"
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You have just defined what a conservative is. :) Welcome to the extreme right wing :)
Work ethic, and playing by the rules. Ya, you are an extreme right winger :) Welcome to the club :)
Most people live their lives as conservatives and even if they hold political views that are left they still play by the rules :) Ain't this a great country :)
1776, you have a twisted noodle! :)
This statement does not defing any type of wing!
My fater is FAR from a Right Wing Conservative, but he fits very well, the description given by "capt. apathy."
While I agree that you have to stand for something, I do not think that you have to stand for EVERYTHING! That is what is wrong with the wing concept. EVERYTHING must have a stance. Why?
Middle of the Roader accomplishments? Well, if you believe in Jesus, then you found one. ;) (unless of course, you have to redefine biblical scriptures to fit your stance!) Examples from the Bible: He saved a potato, showed mercy to the poor, and forgave thieves and criminals. Quite an opposition to the modern wing which most often claims him as a Savior and Lord.
Viper
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Originally posted by StSanta:
You need both wings to fly :)
Nah!
B2, Para-sail, hang glider, frisbee, Helecoptor, kite...need more?
:D
Viper
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Thanks for the suggestion Ammo, but organised religion is something I dislike, having been involved with it in the past.
Perhaps there is a god - I have no idea. But if he's the kind of deity described by every major religion ever to exist, he isn't using his power in the most effective way.
Besides, I didn't vote for him. ;)
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Originally posted by Eagler:
weazel ".... I'm confused"
no toejam
LOL! I knew couldn't answer the question, your as predictable as cabby.
Your the one who's confused, or should I say brainwashed.....
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Originally posted by Hangtime:
I have nothing to add.. other than my opinions on gthe key issues of our times puts me firmly in both camps... and not in the middle.
How can that be??
Well.. I look at issues; not labels, not politicans. It's how I vote.
If yah wanna stick a label on me, I'd prefer you use this one:
AMERICAN
Hang said perfectly how I feel, so I'll just quote him. :)
Oh, and someone said that liberals being against prayer in school was aligning with the "morally bankrupt". Uhmm, the reason they are against organized prayers in school is because students are NOT all one religion. What's immoral, not allowing organized prayers or forcing a Jewish student to take part in (or even listen to) a Christian prayer?
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Oh CHRIST... I said the same thing as freaking Santa!!! Ugggg..OMG. I saw the quote from someone and thought..hey I said that..NOT him! Then I scroll up and up and up...and...WHAM there it is.
I'll never be the same again.
xBAT
P.S. Sorry Stsanta for infringing on your thought process.
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Originally posted by weazel:
I'm curious, why am I labeled "left of center"?
Going for the sympathetic, "I'm a victim" approach again eh Jihad/Weazel?
Here's one of your posts:
Nobody ever said the terrorists were fools, they recognize who is important in the US government. <it sure
isn't the republicans>
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I might add, this is a Ted Nugent assessment of the definition of himself, and other than the racial overtones as to the 'speak english' parts, mark me down as agreeing with just about everything he says here:
> > I'm a Bad American: Friday June 29, 2001
> > Written by Ted Nugent, the rock singer and hunter/naturalist, upon hearing that California Senators B. Boxer and D. Feinstein denounced him for being a "gun owner" and a "rock star". This was his response after telling the Senators about his past contributions to children's charities and
scholarship foundations which have totaled more than $13.7 million in the last 5 years......
I'm a Bad American - this pretty much sums it up for me. I like big
> > trucks, big boats, big houses, and naturally, pretty women. I believe
the
> > money I make belongs to me and my family, not some midlevel governmental
> > functionary with a bad comb-over who wants to give it away to crack
> > addicts squirting out babies. I don't care about appearing
compassionate.
> > I think playing with toy guns doesn't make you a killer. I believe
> > ignoring your kids and giving them Prozac might. I think I'm doing
better
> > than the homeless. I don't think being a minority makes you noble or
> > victimized. I have the right not to be tolerant of others because they
> > are different, weird or make me mad. This is my life to live, and not
> > necessarily up to others expectations. I know what SEX is and there are
> > not varying degrees of it.
> >
> > I don't celebrate Kwanza, but if you want to that's fine; I just don't
> > feel like everyone else should have to. I believe that if you are
selling
> > me a Dairy Queen shake, a pack of cigarettes, or a hotel room you do it
in
> > English. As a matter of fact, if you are an American citizen you should
> > speak English. My uncles & forefathers shouldn't have had to die in
vain
> > so you can leave the countries you were born in to come disrespect ours,
> > and make us bend to your will. Get over it.
> >
> > I think the cops have every right to shoot your sorry butt if you're
> > running from them after they tell you to stop. If you can't understand
> > the word "freeze" or "stop" in English, see the previous line. I don't
> > use the excuse "it's for the children" as a shield for unpopular
opinions
> > or actions. I know how to count votes and I feels much safer letting a
> > machine with no political affiliation do a recount when needed. I know
> > what the definition of lying is, and it isn't based on the word
"is"-ever.
> >
> >
> > I don't think just because you were not born in this country, you
qualify
> > for any special loan programs, government sponsored bank loans, etc., so
> > you can open a hotel, 7-Eleven, trinket shop, or any thing else, while
the
> > indigenous peoples can't get past a high school education because they
> > can't afford it. I didn't take the initiative in inventing the internet.
> >
> > I thought the Taco Bell dog was funny. I want them to bring back safe
and
> > sane fireworks. I believe no one ever died because of something Ozzy
> > Osbourne, Ice-T or Marilyn Manson sang, but that doesn't mean I want to
> > listen to that crap from someone else's car when I'm stopped at a red
> > light. But I respect your right to.
> >
> > I think that being a student doesn't give you any more enlightenment
than
> > working at Blockbuster or Jack In The Box. I don't want to eat or drink
> > anything with the words light, lite or fat-free on the package. Our
> > soldiers did not go to some foreign country and risk their lives in vain
> > and defend our Constitution so that decades later you can tell me it's a
> > living document ever changing and is open to interpretation. The guys
who
> > wrote it were light years ahead of anyone today, and they meant what
they
> > said - now leave the document alone, or there's going to be trouble.
> >
> > I don't hate the rich. I help the poor. I know wrestling is fake.
I've
> > never owned, or was a slave, and a large percentage of our forefathers
> > weren't wealthy enough to own one either. Please stop blaming me
because
> > some prior white people were idiots - and remember, tons of white,
Indian,
> > Chinese, and other races have been enslaved too - it was wrong for every
> > one of them. I believe a self-righteous liberal with a cause is more
> > dangerous than a Hell's Angel with an attitude. I want to know exactly
> > which church is it where the "Reverend" Jesse Jackson preaches; and,
what
> > exactly is his job function. I own a gun, you can own a gun, and any
red
> > blooded American should be allowed to own a gun, but if you use it in a
> > crime, then you will serve the time.
> >
> > I think Bill Gates ahs every right to keep every penny he made and
> > continue to make more. If it makes you mad, then invent the next
> > operating system that's better and put your name on the building. Ask
> > your buddy that invented the internet to help you. I don't believe in
> > hate crime legislation. Even suggesting it makes me mad. You're
telling
> > me that someone who is a minority, gay, disabled, other nationality, or
> > otherwise different from the mainstream of this country has more value
as
> > a human being than I do as a white male. If someone kills anyone, I'd
say
> > that is a hate crime. We don't need more laws! Let's enforce the ones
> > we already have.
> >
> > I think turkey bacon, turkey beef, turkey fake anything sucks. I
believe
> > that it doesn't take a village to raise a child - it takes a parent with
> > the guts to stand up to the kid and spank his butt and say "NO!" when
it's
> > necessary to do so. I'll admit that the only movie that ever made me
cry
> > was Ole Yeller. I didn't realize Dr. Seuss was a genius until I had a
> > kid.
> >
> > I will not be frowned upon or be looked down upon or be made to keep
> > silent because I have these beliefs and opinions. I thought this
country
> > allowed me that right. I will not conform or compromise just to keep
from
> > hurting somebody's feelings. I'm neither angry nor disenfranchised, no
> > matter how desperately the mainstream media would like the world to
> > believe otherwise.
> >
> > Yes, I guess by some people's definition, I may be a Bad American. But
> > that's tough.
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I now respect Ted Nugent more than anyone else in the world.
-SW
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Nice try, don't answer the question - just deflect it...RIGHT?
The reason why is because YOU CAN'T, you have no criteria for determining left wing/right wing, you only respond that way when your panties get bunched because someone doesn't agree with your <lol> "vision for America".
It seems the right wing has hijacked the term *conservative*, the people who deserve the title are the people who stand up for the Constitution of the United States, not the vermin who want to undermine it.
I might add, this is a Ted Nugent assessment of the definition of himself, and other than the racial overtones as to the 'speak english' parts, mark me down as agreeing with just about everything he says here:
Bwahahaha, I thought you weren't a *PC* person? <snicker>
I also agree with what Gonzo says...including the speaking english part.
I guess that makes me a right winger too?
Answer the original question Rip.
:p
[ 10-15-2001: Message edited by: weazel ]
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Just wanted to add:
I'm glad I'm independant and not democratic or republican.
There's nothing more rediculous than watching two political parties chastise each other over issues that neither of them are even remotely close to being right on.
I think politics as a whole are evil and the fact that people take it to a level where they argue with such passion about who is more right, well that is simply retarded.
-SW
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"California Senators B. Boxer and D. Feinstein denounced him for being a "gun owner" and a "rock star". "
lol
Simply stated but Ted hit the high notes. Wouldn't make the PC crowd happy but I'm really tired of listening to those whiners anyway ....thanks Rip.
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Excuse me Eagler? You're tired of the whining? Did you just crawl out of an 8 year hiatus spent in a cacoon? You've missed much - including the skyrocketing of share prices on Kleenex brand tissues. :D
Oh, and Nugent. Yeah, he hit a couple of high notes, I guess. He also hit a hell of a lot of mediocre ones, as well as giving his baritone a bit of a work out. Are Ted Nugent and the missus the new poster kids for the Republicans now or something? Are you guys like, trying to show that you've got a bit of edge, and are down and rockin' with the Nuge? Will Bush junior Wango Tango with him like he Lived the la Vida Loco with Ricky? And are record Kleenex sales to be eclipsed by a sudden demand for Merlin hunting bows? Will there be increased spending on genetic research to produce game White Buffalo for sport?
And am I trying to set a BBS record for most questions to statements ratio? Nope. Just funnin' - so chill the eff out! :D
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Doesnt the word "politics" in Greek mean dirty or something in that line of thought?
xBAT
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Ehhh, what was the original questions(s) Jihad/Weazel/Goober? Is it why are you labeled "Left of center"? Umm, because you are? Thats not a bad thing. We NEED folks of many different political backgrounds. THat's what makes America.
[ 10-16-2001: Message edited by: Ripsnort ]
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Lol, I'm not Goober.
Compare my posts to his, then compare them to Westy's. ;)