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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Gunthr on March 09, 2006, 10:53:10 AM
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Orlando Channel 13: 'Big NASA Announcement Set For Today'... // 'NASA is planning to make a huge announcement today, about possible life in our own solar system'...[/
From the Drudge site
If true, this is really exciting
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There is life in our own solar system.
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From Drudge's site http://www.drudgereport.com/
Orlando Channel 13: 'Big NASA Announcement Set For Today'... // 'NASA is planning to make a huge announcement today, about possible life in our own solar system'...
**EXCLUSIVE** PLANNED PRESS RELEASE: NASA'S CASSINI DISCOVERS POTENTIAL LIQUID WATER ON ENCELADUS...
This is pretty exciting...
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There is no intelligent life in this solar system.
none.
zip.
nada.
zeeeeerooooooooo.
There's a sign out past pluto.. big billboard. Lights 'n all.
"Nothin to see here. Keep Going."
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Originally posted by Hangtime
There is no intelligent life in this solar system.
That is true. :)
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Originally posted by Hangtime
"Nothin to see here. Keep Going."
If you would have said "Nothing to see here, move along" I would have started beleiving in deity... one with a beard, glasses... and a knack for pulling the wrong plug.
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Now now, Saw, he didn't pull it...
...he kicked it. :aok
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bit mis-leading thread title wouldn't you say?
"We realize that this is a radical conclusion - that we may have evidence for liquid water within a body so small and so cold," said Carolyn Porco, Cassini imaging team leader at the Space Science Institute, Boulder, Colo. "However, if we are right, we have significantly broadened the diversity of solar system environments where we might possibly have conditions suitable for living organisms."
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Cue X-file music....
"I want to believe"....
lol
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We already know there is life in OUR solar system Doh!
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If this is for real....it's beyond exciting.
It's extraordinary. Based on the environments where we have been able to find thriving microscopic life, liquid water would strongly suggest the very high likelihood of something living. No bigger than a bacterium, but world-shaking nonetheless. Add free oxygen to that, and the possibilities are astounding.
Truly, I hope we do confirm life elsewhere in my lifetime. Can you imagine absolute proof that we are not alone...?
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C'mon MrRipley, they might discover an alien bactieria that could be sprinkled on a pile of those plastic six pack keepers and produce free energy - or something...
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bit mis-leading thread title wouldn't you say?
Yes, though not intentional.
:huh
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Truly, I hope we do confirm life elsewhere in my lifetime. Can you imagine absolute proof that we are not alone...?
It would be absolutely monumental if there is life there... the ramifications are multiple and wide-ranging even if its only on the bactierial level. But if I felt alone, I not sure having an alien bactieria with me would satisy my social needs. Although I do admit it would give some of my asquaintences some serious competition.
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Proving existance of bacterial life on other planets in our solar system probably is more of a "when" rather than an "if" question.
Free oxygen isn't even a requirement, life can exist well without it. Earth didn't have free oxygen until well into the precambrian age. For about 2 billion years earth's atmosphere didn't contain significant amounts of oxygen.
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Has to do with near-surface pools of almost freezing water on the Saturn Moon Enceladus erupiting in geyser-like plumes...
http://www.drudgereport.com/flash8na.htm
http://www.esa.int/esa-mmg/mmg.pl?b=b&type=I&mission=Cassini-Huygens&single=y&start=5
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Cool.. water on Saturns moon...Lets go fishing for some space Bass!!
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'near freezing' and 'geyser like plumes' just shouldnt go together.
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
'near freezing' and 'geyser like plumes' just shouldnt go together.
Never been in the desert at night knockin back beer and chili, enh?
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that would be tantamount to a lethal gas attack outside the boundries of the Geneva convention
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LOL!
"Rasheed, we don't torture, but we do have ways of making you talk. Sergeant!!, double this prisoner's meatless chili ration!!. IMMEDIATELY."
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Actually, I used the "we're not alone" on the more philosophical scale, than to suggest that I enjoy the company of bacteria...although I do run into a few people I'd classify as bacteria...but that's another thread! Certainly a lonely night is not eased by a pleasant chat with a colony of bacteria in the sink :p
I agree that free oxygen is not a requirement...just an enhancement to the odds of life forms we are most familiar with, and that might have an evolutionary future something like Earths. As I recall my planetary science courses, an entire ecosystem existed prior to the pre-cambrian which thrived in a CO2-rich atmosphere. Oxygen is actually toxic in concentration, and highly corrosive. The success of the first photosynthetic cellular life was such that the entire ecosystem eventually poisoned itself out of existance...leaving room for the adaptation to life chemistrys we are now famiiliar with. It's all pretty cool stuff, which I remember incompletely now, but the story of how the ancient earth changed chemically is really interesting. Did you know that at one time, the entire plant effectively "rusted"? I think this was what either bound up or released carbon/oxygen to create a life-sustaining environment. An expert, or some time reading a good overview, would be more informative than I seem to be...but it's been awhile since school. I also remember that soil and atmospheric chemistry has changed so drastically, that some have hypothesized that even prehistoric life (i.e., dinosaurs) would not b able to thrive in our modern atmosphere, as the gas concentrations are significantly different. So much for Jurassic Park!
Anyway, enough from me.
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the universe is thick with life, life has existed for billions of years (probably 13 or 14 billion, give or take a few hundred million). Life will continue to exist and evolve for many more billions of years...perhaps as long as 30 to 40 billion more years but alas....eventually everything that is energy, life...will eventually be extinguished forever. Our universe will eventually die.
The only problem with the universe is the absolute vast size of it. We are constrained by the speed of light. All matter is constrained by the speed of light. Unfortunately, something being only 26 light years away is considered close by, yet we as a species will never go there.
Unless we can penetrate and travel through dimensions via worm holes. Highly doubtful imo.
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Alright! You're all now on the No-Fly list you...you...terrorists!
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Originally posted by Yeager
the universe is thick with life, life has existed for billions of years (probably 13 or 14 billion, give or take a few hundred million). Life will continue to exist and evolve for many more billions of years...perhaps as long as 30 to 40 billion more years but alas....eventually everything that is energy, life...will eventually be extinguished forever. Our universe will eventually die.
The only problem with the universe is the absolute vast size of it. We are constrained by the speed of light. All matter is constraned by the speed of light. Unfortunately, something being only 26 light years away is considered close by, yet we as a species will never go there.
Unless we can penetrate and travel through dimensions via worm holes. Highly doubtful imo.
Heat-death of the universe......bummer man....now I is de-pressed.
I'll have to jump to an "intelligent design" website to cheer me up now....those people always crack me up....soooo silly......
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This is truly exciting! The agency has just released this picture of what the alien life forms look like:
(http://www.nonstick.com/sounds/Marvin.gif)
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Yeager, I do believe you are correct...but a bummer anyway. :p
However, that which dies, must also be born..so the cycle restarts.
As for the size and C issue, well...I'm not sure of your point, as the water discovery is within our solar system.
And, I think there are some interesting questions on the table these days concerning the absolutes of Einsteinian physics..especially in light of quantum physics, which seems to put the lie to Einsteinian and Newtonian physics both, and return us to the realm of PFM (Pure Freakin' Magic). Remember, at the quantum level, a particle CAN exist in more than one place, and only appears in one place when observed. Schroedinger's Cat, and all that.
Now, HERE's a thread going esoteric really fast! :D
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Originally posted by Saintaw
If you would have said "Nothing to see here, move along" I would have started beleiving in deity... one with a beard, glasses... and a knack for pulling the wrong plug.
New image from NASA. :)
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/skuzzy/plutoex.gif)
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Intelligent Design = Chuck Norris created the Universe!
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ROFL! :D
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USHilDvl, you're right, at least according to the classic explanation for the sudden massive forming of rocks consisting large amounts of iron-II-oxide (so called banded iron formations, which can be found a lot throughout the USA and Australia). The free iron ions in the oceans were oxidized as soon as free oxygen was available and sedimented on the seafloors as iron-oxides. About 90% or the worlds iron deposits are situated in such iron formations.
Newer theories suggest another possible explanation for the forming of these rocks. Anoxygenic photoautotrophic bacteria can also catalyze iron-II oxidation under anoxic conditions. It's all quite controversial, but as usual the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle. Part of the oxidizing happened directly due to free oxygen, part was due to anoxic catalyzation by microbacteria.
Now, to get this thread back on topic: These photoautotrophic bacteria of course could very well also exist elsewhere.
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Just in case it is true, it looks like NASA is ready.
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/skuzzy/heyaliens.gif)
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Update; Drudge too fast on "submit" button: http://www.local6.com/news/7850413/detail.html
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:lol
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Well, how do you like that? :rolleyes: Perhaps the Tech editor at that station should learn the subject matter a bit better?
Not so bad, tho...I never expected an annoucement of life, just free liquid water.
That's it, Red...you've got the detail I was referring to. Photoautotrophic bacteria. (if that isn't a $300 dollar word, I don't know what is :D )
As I recall, the binding of the free iron atoms was critical to creating the right chemistry for animal life? Or was that the carbon cycle...these thoughts get a little greasy and hard to hold on to without regular practice!
Skuzz...that's a crackup. Took me ten minutes to clean the ole' monitor and get the bubbles out of my sinuses!
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Originally posted by USHilDvl
Yeager, I do believe you are correct...but a bummer anyway. :p
However, that which dies, must also be born..so the cycle restarts.
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Not if it's the "Heat Death of the Universe"!....no recycle. Just atoms drifting further apart ad infinum....... The End.
Now, if the universe slows, collapses into the "Big Squish", and begins anew with another "Big Bang"....then ya got something there....
oh....I'll never get to sleep tonight worrying about this..... :confused:
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OK they found signs of possible water on a moon ooooooohhhhhhh....... its not liek I'll ever go swiming there.
As far as life in out solar system, yea theres life in this solar system, on the 3rd planet from the sun, theres just no intelligent life in our solar system.
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Imagine just now, the aliens are saying..
"They have found it."
"Very well...initiate Plan 392."
"But..that will..that..."
"Initiate."
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Of course there is life outside the planet earth!!!!
Jim Morrisson, Elvis, Jimmy Hoffa, Marilyn Monroe......they are all hanging out on the Dark Side of the Moon!!!!:D
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Originally posted by Yeager
the universe is thick with life, life has existed for billions of years (probably 13 or 14 billion, give or take a few hundred million). Life will continue to exist and evolve for many more billions of years...perhaps as long as 30 to 40 billion more years but alas....eventually everything that is energy, life...will eventually be extinguished forever. Our universe will eventually die.
Where did you get that from? The age of the universe is around 13 billion years, with best estimate of 13.7 I think. The youngest galaxies we observe are 8-9 billion years ago. And no sign of life anywhere outside the solar system. So far only 1 non-solar planet discovered that has any potential to host life.
Originally posted by USHilDvl
And, I think there are some interesting questions on the table these days concerning the absolutes of Einsteinian physics..especially in light of quantum physics, which seems to put the lie to Einsteinian and Newtonian physics both, and return us to the realm of PFM (Pure Freakin' Magic). Remember, at the quantum level, a particle CAN exist in more than one place, and only appears in one place when observed. Schroedinger's Cat, and all that.
Not really. Quantum mechanics does not contradict relativity (general or special). The problem is opposite, they do not cross at all. It's just that gravity is explained so differently from the other forces. Gravity is not even a "force" in relativity.
Dark matter and dark energy are gravitational things we can't explain yet. Either there's something new out there, or that gravity needs another revision. Eitherway this is exciting and people are working on both approaches. Some crazy ideas are raised from modified gravity laws, through new particles, to compact or warped extra dimentions.
NON of this is PFM. There's no problem in particles who exists in more than one place except for our poor preception of what a particle is.
Bozon
btw, I can assure you Schroedinger's Cat is already dead.
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One more thing I forgot to mention in regard to other intelligent life. All the science fiction assume that there are other anchient and advanced races out there.
Here's a scary thought - What if WE are the anchient advanced race ? and this is as intelligent as it gets?
Just imagine a universe full of races even more stupid than we are.
Bozon
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Gee I hope not.
I've been having a hard enough time in the last 10 years trying to explain and get through to one of my brother in laws that the reason why, when he goes camping and in his words exactly
"Man from up there, the sky is so clear I can see "The Milky Way"
:lol
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Originally posted by bozon
One more thing I forgot to mention in regard to other intelligent life. All the science fiction assume that there are other anchient and advanced races out there.
Here's a scary thought - What if WE are the anchient advanced race ? and this is as intelligent as it gets?
Just imagine a universe full of races even more stupid than we are.
Bozon
Or worse, what if we used to be a advanced race and and through the centuries we forgot everything?