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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: the Lazy ace on March 09, 2006, 09:21:26 PM
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i dunno if any1 has asked this before but i think we should have the 22,000lb 'Grand Slam' bomb fitted to the lancaster, but if so, no formation to limit power. wat yall think???
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Not enough to kill the HQ. Otherwise, every task can be done with the bombs we have now.
:noid Waiting for n00k junkies :noid
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Put one of those dead center of a pad, and EVERY HANGER on the pad would go down . . . They called them "Earthquake Bombs" for a reason.
No reason to disable the formation since you can not drop from one plane at a time anyway. The blast radius would not be affected all that much by the formation.
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I'm liking this idea a lot.:D
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good size comparison in this photo.
(http://www.johnmullen.org.uk/aerospce/pics/bombs.jpg)
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Originally posted by SMIDSY
good size comparison in this photo.
(http://www.johnmullen.org.uk/aerospce/pics/bombs.jpg)
So what two bombs are we looking at here?
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Tallboy and Grandslam.
Tallboy (I think 5,000 pounds?) was the first one, when it worked just as designed they gave the go-ahead for the 11,000 pound Grandslam.
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Man it would be cool to see a monster 22,000 pounder fall from the plane. Properly modeled they'd be able to see that sucker coming and have just enough time to say, "Oh sh". Ground Vehicles would really hate this.
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Originally posted by OOZ662
Not enough to kill the HQ.
You're forgetting formations
EDIT: It'll never happen. It wasn't a mass-produced bomb. Same reason we won't get the A-bomb. It wasn't common, and it wasn't standard. It was a 1-off. (generally speaking, that is, I don't mean "there was only 1")
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It might only be a one-off weapon in the arenas too, considering the damage it would do to the carrier aircrafts performance. A Lanc carrying that thing would be so slow a C-47 could catch it.
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Originally posted by Krusty
You're forgetting formations
EDIT: It'll never happen. It wasn't a mass-produced bomb. Same reason we won't get the A-bomb. It wasn't common, and it wasn't standard. It was a 1-off. (generally speaking, that is, I don't mean "there was only 1")
It wasnt as rare as you would think, it was used on 40 or so occasions by 617 Squadron. They were used against targets that were resistant to normal bombs such as aquaducts, u boat pens etc. They worked by being streamlined so they could fall at supersonic speeds when dropped from 20k or so, digging deep into the ground and then setting off the explosive to actually create an earthquake. The fins are made to spin the bomb very very fast to keep it accurate and help it dig into the ground. The charge to weight ratio is quite low compared to the high capacity bombs, but the charge is very powerful "torpex" explosive.
The smaller tallboy bomb weighed 12,000lb or so and was used something like 400 times, including sinking the Tirpitz.
Barnes Wallis, the designer of the bouncing bomb, designed both the tallboy and grand slam.
If modelled properly, it would obliterate a reinforced HQ in AH.
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Might be a good way to use bomber perks.
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Originally posted by Furball
If modelled properly, it would obliterate a reinforced HQ in AH.
You mean it should be able to. Current report from Skuzzy has the ordnance necessary to down an HQ set at 37,500 lbs.
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Originally posted by Krusty
You're forgetting formations
I didn't forget, just
Originally posted by the Lazy ace
if so, no formation to limit power.
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Originally posted by ChopSaw
You mean it should be able to. Current report from Skuzzy has the ordnance necessary to down an HQ set at 37,500 lbs.
the reason in AH the hq is so hard to kill is because it is supposed to be reinforced concrete. (why it looks like a big fort)
the grand slam was designed to obliterate reinforced concrete.
The "Grand Slam" (Earthquake) bomb was of the same design as the Tallboy but larger and heavier weighing 9.979 kg (22.000 lb). The Grand Slam was first used on 14 March, 1945 when a force of Lancaster bombers led by Royal Air Force Squadron Leader C.C. Calder attacked the Bielefeld railway viaduct destroying two spans. In another attack against submarine pens, (Bunker Valentin) near Bremen, two Grand Slams pentrated 4,5 meters of reinforced concrete. 41 Grand Slam Bombs were dropped by the end of the war mainly against bridges and viaducts.
If it is modelled correctly in AH that is...
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Its interesting to note also, before the "its only a late war weapon" crowd emerges, that it would have been built far earlier if the British Govt had had faith in it designer. He actually proposed the Grandslam well before he had even thought of the bouncing boms used in the dam-busting raids. Nobody thought it would work. Only after he proved in that raid the a bomb detonated under the surface (be it solid or liquid) would have greater force than one detonating in the atmosphere did the War Ministry give the idea serious consideration. And even then they built the half-sized Tallboy as a testbed.
It probably could have entered service at least 18 months sooner if they had given the go-ahead.
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u Know, maybe it can b limeted as a 'perked bomb'
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Originally posted by Furball
the reason in AH the hq is so hard to kill is because it is supposed to be reinforced concrete. (why it looks like a big fort)
the grand slam was designed to obliterate reinforced concrete.
If it is modelled correctly in AH that is...
All true and I was completely agreeing with you. When I said it should rather than would I was referring to why HTC made the HQ's tougher than they were in AH1. HT does not want to have a situation in which "one player can effect an entire countries play". Unfortunately they've changed the game in such a way that even several players cannot destroy an HQ. With that in mind, you can see why I have concern for the bomb being able to destroy an HQ.
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Originally posted by the Lazy ace
u Know, maybe it can b limeted as a 'perked bomb'
I believe that it would almost certainly have to be perked. Especially if it were actually capable of bringing down an HQ.
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Oh that would clear out a town nicely...or..snicker...a GV spawn point!
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Originally posted by LePaul
Oh that would clear out a town nicely...or..snicker...a GV spawn point!
I hadn't even considered what it might do to a town. We need this bomb!!! I almost want it as much as I want B-29's.
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i'd rather have the B-29
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i prefere the grandslam and tallboy or fatman and littleboy
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I will ENJOY slaughtering Buffs that need 5 sectors to get 15k of alt. Not to mention, the whines.
Karaya
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
I will ENJOY slaughtering Buffs that need 5 sectors to get 15k of alt. Not to mention, the whines.
Karaya
:t And I will enjoy trying to shoot you down.
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then whats the 8,000 pounder we have in the game?
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we dont, we have a 4,000lb.
although lancs did carry 8k and 12k versions of it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockbuster_bomb
(http://www.constable.ca/bombs.jpg)
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those bombs look like a cross with a trash can and some wings
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I'd rather have a B29
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Originally posted by SuperDud
I'd rather have a B29
:t I'd rather have both.
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Originally posted by Billy Joe Bob
those bombs look like a cross with a trash can and some wings
they were made to drop like a brick. They are simply a container for getting the explosives to the ground. The 4,000lb high capacity bomb (the 'trash can' one) had a charge to weight ratio of about 75-80%. a normal bomb had about 50% charge to weight ratio. (so a high capacity 4,000 lb "trash can" bomb would carry 3,000lb of explosives over a normal 4,000 lb bomb which would carry around 2,000lb of explosives)
that means the 12,000lb 'cookie' had around 9,000lb of explosives in it :eek:
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Originally posted by LePaul
Oh that would clear out a town nicely...or..snicker...a GV spawn point!
ROFL.... oh yeah.... Range voice: "someone take down town please, i got troops"... Lanc: "CC, bomb away"..... 10 secs later, Lanc: "Towns clear" :lol
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Imagine what it'll do to a CV! :O
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Originally posted by frank3
Imagine what it'll do to a CV! :O
Sink it in the same way as we now sink them.
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Originally posted by ChopSaw
Sink it in the same way as we now sink them.
There goes the adrenaline...
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Originally posted by frank3
There goes the adrenaline...
Sorry if I killed your buzz. Maybe HTC could make a water detonation effect. Huge detonation area turning frothy white with a giant geyser. Proximity damage such that even if you missed the ship directly, you could still get it if you were close enough.
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That's what I basically meant, but it sounds much better when you said it :)
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Originally posted by Billy Joe Bob
then whats the 8,000 pounder we have in the game?
"Cookie" (4,000lb).
Karaya
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Dive bombing Lancs are bad enough already. Do we REALLY want them jabboing with a 22,000lb egg?
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Originally posted by Saxman
Dive bombing Lancs are bad enough already. Do we REALLY want them jabboing with a 22,000lb egg?
YES!!!
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Originally posted by Saxman
Dive bombing Lancs are bad enough already. Do we REALLY want them jabboing with a 22,000lb egg?
Actually that brings up some interesting ideas. First, it's already been mentioned the bomb would probably have to be perked. As such it wouldn't really be something one would commonly use to dive bomb gv's, hangers, etc.
Second, and this is the really interesting idea, what about the blast area from such a bomb? Wouldn't it be so great as to destroy the attacking bomber if he were too low?
I don't care for the tactic of JABO using a heavy bomber. It does not make sense that it be in the game. This is no reason to penalize bombers who "do it correctly" (i.e. level bombing at a decent altitude). The Grand Slam (22,000 earthquake bomb) would be an interesting addition to the game.
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Originally posted by ChopSaw
The Grand Slam (22,000 earthquake bomb) would be an interesting addition to the game.
Only for the guy dropping it. Just like a nuke.
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zOMfG@$%#@$oscar@@$@#@@
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now look what you have done!
(http://[IMG]http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y46/b1leeb0b/nookie.gif)[/IMG]
this just needed that :rofl
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Originally posted by SuperDud
NOooOOOoo000OOoo)00Oo0o0)))00000OOooooooK$$@!#!#$@%$$
zOMfG@$%#@$oscar@@$@#@@
I believe he's speaking Burger King. Can anyone translate? I don't speak it.
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The bomb would be cool but iot would blow up a hole pad or town. I agree if we did do it it would have to be perked 300-500.
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Do we have the capacity to introduce "perked" ordinance?
How would that work? Two sets of Lancs in the menu? One with Perk bombs and one without?
[I'm ok with it, I salivate whenever I see divebombing lancs in the MA, they're almost as yummy as Ju88s.]
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Originally posted by Seagoon
Do we have the capacity to introduce "perked" ordinance?
How would that work? Two sets of Lancs in the menu? One with Perk bombs and one without?
[I'm ok with it, I salivate whenever I see divebombing lancs in the MA, they're almost as yummy as Ju88s.]
I'd guess your idea would be the easiest way to do it. I'm a bomber guy, but I think if the bomber is anywhere close to the ground, he should be killed in the blast from such a large device.