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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Nilsen on March 11, 2006, 07:28:45 AM
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Is dead.
Can't say it ruins my day.
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Mine either
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Shame.... sooner died of old age before the UN Tribunal could do anything to convict him (in typical UN fashion).
Pathetic, he got off easy...
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Originally posted by Delirium
Shame.... sooner died of old age before the UN Tribunal could do anything to convict him (in typical UN fashion).
Pathetic, he got off easy...
Are you saying you didn't like the glacial speeds the UN reacts to ANYTHING? ;)
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Let's wait for Saddam to do the same and get over the circus.
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Ahhhh...the pig is finally dead.... im off to get drunk tonight to celebrate.
Yea its too bad he didnt get convicted first, but he still died in his jailcell.
Hope he rots in hell!!! :aok
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What a TRAGEDY!
Aheeheeheeheehee!
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AMF!!!! Have a nice afterlife hemorhoid!
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"Are you saying you didn't like the glacial speeds the UN reacts to ANYTHING?"
The UN's lethargic response speed can only be viewed as a plus--the less they actually do, the less they can screw up.
J_A_B
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Good Riddance.
Karaya
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Murderers.
Can't prove accusations - then get rid of him. No moral, no conscience.
Even nazis didn't murder Dimitrov.
Welcome to the brave new world.
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Originally posted by Boroda
Murderers.
Can't prove accusations - then get rid of him. No moral, no conscience.
Even nazis didn't murder Dimitrov.
Welcome to the brave new world.
Are you saying that Slobo was innocent?
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Originally posted by Boroda
Murderers.
Can't prove accusations - then get rid of him. No moral, no conscience.
Even nazis didn't murder Dimitrov.
Welcome to the brave new world.
He was kept in Europe; not in Russia.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Are you saying that Slobo was innocent?
I am saying that they failed to prove "genocide" accusations, he beaten them to dust, so they murdered him, because he probably knew too much.
Or you think it's bird flu? Milan Babich less then a week ago, now - Miloshevich. Is it epidemic?
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Originally posted by Staga
He was kept in Europe; not in Russia.
Sure, if he was kept in Finland he could be not only deprived of proper medical care, but simply starved "because Finland has problems with food". Who cares for that Slavonic Orthodox savages?...
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The midi-chlorians killed him. It was a plot by the dark lords of the UN republic.
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I am going a little mad now.
Well, it's another myth about "Western justice" is knocked down. Indeed, nazis were better, at least they tried to keep inside visible rules. Modern "masters of the world" are absolutely immoral. It was probably the only one of the myths of Western fundamentalism that was left, all your "freedom", "democracy", "human rights" and "free enterprising" are already compromised for centuries to go. Keep sticking to your bloody newspeak.
Keep diging your own grave, so-called "civilized nations" AKA "free world". If you have your "democracy" - why can't you get rid of the gang of parasites and hypocrites who rule you as if you are mindless animals? Or you all have TV as a brain prothesis?
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Originally posted by Nilsen
The midi-chlorians killed him. It was a plot by the dark lords of the UN republic.
At lest he wasn't another quisling.
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Hehehehe you have a great sense of humor Boroda. :D
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Let us all remember Slobo as he apeared the last time he was seen alive
(http://www.starwars.com/episode-iii/explore/sithsnap/2006/03/img/ep3_ia_90616.jpg)
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Originally posted by Boroda
Indeed, nazis were better, at least they tried to keep inside visible rules.
You are a seriously confused man, I feel I should give you my name in here as you are far more delirious than I am.
I was going to post a long-winded reply to why I believe the 'Western Civilization' is better than the Nazi party, but it is silly to engage anyone so heavily indoctrinated in the belief of subjugation of the masses, rather than encouraging self-determination
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Ripsnort - the Hague was trying to convict him of war crimes through due process, based on the concept of innocence before proven guilt.
You know, that troublesome concept America has defended with blood for the past 70 years.
How easy it is for the kids to forget the sacrifices of the father... while still saying thanks on Veteran's Day (as you are at pains to point out at the slightest opportunity). At least Boroda is honest enough to be an open proponent of Stalin and his show trials.
As for Milosevic - he has died in captivity. I don't think that outcome was ever in doubt. No tears here.
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I won't miss him either.
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If you can't prove you have to kill.
I have no doubts that you have no tears.
Murders rarely cry... while not catched.
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Gotta love 'em.
They bring priceless humor to this BBS.
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Originally posted by Toad
Gotta love 'em.
They bring priceless humor to this BBS.
Exactly. I wasnt really saddened by Slobo's sudden death but I didnt expect to be laughing my arse off either. :aok
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Originally posted by Boroda
I am going a little mad now.
Dude...that's an understatement.
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Originally posted by Boroda
I am going a little mad now.
Well, it's another myth about "Western justice" is knocked down. Indeed, nazis were better, at least they tried to keep inside visible rules. Modern "masters of the world" are absolutely immoral. It was probably the only one of the myths of Western fundamentalism that was left, all your "freedom", "democracy", "human rights" and "free enterprising" are already compromised for centuries to go. Keep sticking to your bloody newspeak.
Keep diging your own grave, so-called "civilized nations" AKA "free world". If you have your "democracy" - why can't you get rid of the gang of parasites and hypocrites who rule you as if you are mindless animals? Or you all have TV as a brain prothesis?
Wow...sounds like you're still bitter about Russia losing the Cold War and being delegated to the back benches of world politics.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Toad
Gotta love 'em.
They bring priceless humor to this BBS.
Amen brother. Can I get a "YEAH YOU RIGHT!" for this man?
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At least couple of good things happened.
Del Ponte goes to hell.
Never ever again international tribunal will meet again. It's compromised itself.
And what is much more important nobody will ever believe in fair judge. Having this example Iran and North Korea will fight to the death.
New Vietnam is on the horizon. :) Good fly, sir Slobo! I am praying for you.
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Well what a surprise from the worlds last hard line communist, Boroda.
I thought of him today, there was a History Channel bit on Stalin. Interesting, yet controversial tidbit...Stalin murdered more Jews than Hitler. Matter of fact, Stalin murdered more than Hitler, period. Hitler was very targeted in the sects they wanted to do away with. Not so with Stalin.
Its funny how Boroda's Pro-Russian take on everything always seems to forget his country's remarkably high standard of integrity in all things controversial
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Best thread ever.
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Originally posted by LePaul
Stalin murdered more Jews than Hitler. Matter of fact, Stalin murdered more than Hitler, period.
Nice stuff, where did they get it?
BTW, didn't they tell you that Stalin ate little girls on breakfast? Didn't they? What are morons!
If Stalin killed more Jews than Hitler how my parents, parents of my wife, parents of my friends, and parents of all of those who are populated Israel right now were survived?
:)\
PS:
I t was about 2 601 000 jews in the UUSR in 1928. I don't believe that it doubled in the next 12 years.
According to official datas holocaust is responsible for about 6 millions. How it could be possible that Stalin murdered more Jews than Hitler? Where did he find so many of us?
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glad hes dead, glad the UN didnt come off victorious with some sort of "conviction" 10 years from now. They blew $200m on this farce of a trial.
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Russian skinheads are funny.
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Originally posted by Suave
Russian skinheads are funny.
You can't imagine how funny you are! :)
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I'm fresh outta rat's asses.
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Originally posted by LePaul
...Stalin murdered more Jews than Hitler.
Wow really? How did they come up with the numbers?
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Originally posted by Thrawn
Wow really? How did they come up with the numbers?
Stalin’s Purges and Forced Famine [1932-1938]
Estimated Death Toll: Approx. 100-200,000 Jews; 5 million Ukrainians killed 1932-33, 14-15 million Soviet peasants 1930-37, and at least 3 million "enemies of the people" 1937-38.
During Joseph Stalin’s reign of terror in Russia and the Soviet Republics his regime killed or starved an estimated 15 million peasants, 5 million Ukrainians, 200,000 Jews; and as many as 3 million enemies of the state. Stalin used mass annihilation as a tactic to control dissent, force cooperation with state policies and to unify an incredibly diverse population people by targeting specific scapegoat groups.
Soviet Jews were killed as scapegoats, Ukrainian peasants were killed as part of Stalin’s collectivization pogrom and political opponents and intellectuals were killed as enemies of the state. The combined tragedy of the Soviet’s political genocide exceeds even the scope of the Nazi Holocaust.
Today’s revolts in Chechnya, Georgia and other former republics of the U.S.S.R., have deep roots in the atrocities of the Stalin era.
That about cover it Thrawn?
Hell, better yet:
According to "World Religions and Cultures" (http://wrc.lingnet.org/russno.htm).
On the eve of World War I, the Jewish population in the U.S.S.R was estimated at 5.2 million. The 1941 German invasion of the Soviet Union was particularly horrific for Soviet Jewry. About 2.5 million Jews were, according to official holocaust teachings, annihilated. Between 1959 and 1989, the Jewish population in the Soviet Union declined by about 900,000. In 1989 a majority of the 1.4 million Jews in the Soviet Union lived in the three Slavic republics. So, where did the 20 millions of Jews (tens of millions) come from, Stalin wanted to murder? However, Stalin's Jewish commissars murdered about 50 million non-Jews in the Soviet Union.
Karaya
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"That about cover it Thrawn?"
Yes. Thanks Masherbrum, I didn't think that Stalin killed more jews than Hitler.
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Originally posted by Vad
Nice stuff, where did they get it?
History Channel
DeClassified Joseph Stalin
Tune In:
Saturday, March 11 @ 3pm ET/PT
Stalin remains a powerful and dark figure even 50 years after his death--as many as 20-million Soviets died during his purges. He has a lasting distinction as a personification of evil in the 20th century, rivaling Adolf Hitler. Using newly unearthed materials and testimony, we reveal a never-before-seen Stalin. We'll illuminate the vast foundation--human, psychological, and physical--that supported and encouraged him. Join our investigation as we present portraits of the men and women who did his bidding, lived in fear of him and, more often than not, were betrayed by him. TVPG V cc
Link (http://www.historychannel.com/global/listings/series_showcase.jsp?EGrpType=Series&Id=16513135&NetwCode=THC)
You'll have to scroll for the Stalin episode.
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Going to print Boroda's and Vad's posts and frame them :D
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Originally posted by LePaul
History Channel
DeClassified Joseph Stalin
Tune In:
Saturday, March 11 @ 3pm ET/PT
Stalin remains a powerful and dark figure even 50 years after his death--as many as 20-million Soviets died during his purges. He has a lasting distinction as a personification of evil in the 20th century, rivaling Adolf Hitler. Using newly unearthed materials and testimony, we reveal a never-before-seen Stalin. We'll illuminate the vast foundation--human, psychological, and physical--that supported and encouraged him. Join our investigation as we present portraits of the men and women who did his bidding, lived in fear of him and, more often than not, were betrayed by him. TVPG V cc
Link (http://www.historychannel.com/global/listings/series_showcase.jsp?EGrpType=Series&Id=16513135&NetwCode=THC)
You'll have to scroll for the Stalin episode.
Where did they say that Stalin murdered more JEWS than Hitler?
I can't find that.
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Exactly Vad, talin mordered nobody - he was a kind father to his people. They needed him.
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Its a TV documentary...watch it when it airs again
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Exactly Vad, talin mordered nobody - he was a kind father to his people. They needed him.
Where did I tell you that Stalin killed nobody? Could you point me on this my post?
I asked where did LePaul get the numbers about Jews killed by Stalin? How it could be possible that Stalin killed more Jews than Hitler?
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Originally posted by Vad
How it could be possible that Stalin killed more Jews than Hitler?
Time. Way more time.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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I'd like to ask my russian friends about where Stalin fits in the order of murderous evil:
According to you guys here are the current top two in order:
Carla Del Ponte and UN Court
Hitler and Nazi Germany
Is Stalin at least number 3?
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Carla Del Ponte looks like austin powers
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
I'd like to ask my russian friends about where Stalin fits in the order of murderous evil:
According to you guys here are the current top two in order:
Carla Del Ponte and UN Court
Hitler and Nazi Germany
Is Stalin at least number 3?
Carla is the second, put Hitler on the first position.
Number 3 is Bush, for sure. Just in few minutes he killed at least 3 thousands of Americans in 9/11. (If you can blame Stalin for all deaths happened during his rule Bush is fully reponsible for these deaths too.)
Ok, Stalin is on the 4th position.
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How can you put Bush on the same list as Hitler, Satlin, and De Ponte, the 3 of them had a plan, all Bush has is a vp that shoots lawyers.
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Grunherz, your opinion is the last one that will count in this thread, you, poor victim raped by "Evil Communist Regime" (tm).
Stalin again. For the solid number of victims in Stalin's times - check the works by prof. Zemskov. Your "history channel" is nothing but a tool for spreading propaganda lies for dummies who are eager to believe that ****. Yes, Stalin killed 20 million Soviet people! If he did - I wonder how it comes that someone is still living here. I am sick of arguing with illiterates. It were we who suffered, not you with your mantras about "democracy". Anyway, we are not talking about USSR, it is no more, we talk about the only leader who dared to fight against all "free world" against enslaving and genociding his own people.
Did your media tell you that Miloshevich asked for medical treatment in Russia, and that wooden bullfrog Del Ponte refused him from vital (as we see now) medical assistance? Did your media that Miloshevich wrote a letter to Russian Minister of Foreign Affairs 2 days before his death, saying that he is afraid that someone is going to poison him, because they suddenly changed his medications?
I agree with Vad. This so-called "tribinal" goes to hell, with that female lobster dummy del Ponte (who failed in so many cases regarding Russian citizens that someone had to fire her just out of mercy) goes to hell. Now I think that the nations who have become victims of Western "democratical" fundamentalism need to establish their own court, to sentence Westrn military criminals for their bloody deeds in South-East Asia, Southern Europe and Middle East.
Now I turn on my radio and I hear that Saddam will be probably executed for "murder of 150 *****es", immediately, before he'll have to answe questions on more interesting topics, that could explain many things about current situation in the whole world. This is not nessessary and dangerous. So - they find another bunch of puppet dummies to sentence him quickly and without noise. WTFG Western "justice". I don't wish same kind of "justice" to war criminals like Clinton or Bush-jr, I want them to speak in court, to reveal the state of affairs that ended up in mass-murders of innocent civilians.
"I may make you feel, but I can't make you think" (c) Jethro Tull.
It is impossible to make you think, as Lazs said already - "there is no demand for alternative sources of information", and I congratulate you - you are being ****ed in the brain. So I want you to feel it.
You have to realize that you participated in this murder. You are guilty, because you are too lazy to use your own head for anything other then eating into it. You are guilty because you let someone else think instead of you.
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There are some interesting people on this board.
The cold war continues
Keep Going Boroda.. or KGB for short :)
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Boroda, you're a funny guy... I toyed with the idea of placing you on the ignore list, but your posts make Dean and Rove look like moderates.
You probably don't know who they are, suffice to say, they are also goose stepping morons that follow ideology rather than what may be correct.
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Boroda is one of the main attractions on this BBS. And i mean that in a good way. He alone puts balance on this board, and faced with atleast 10-15 right winged people that speaks volumes :D
Keep Going Boroda :aok
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Originally posted by Boroda
Your "history channel" is nothing but a tool for spreading propaganda lies for dummies who are eager to believe that ****.
Sometimes irony is the best huimour.
Carry on comrade ;)
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Ditto. Just when i think I've heard the most retarded thing around, either SOB or Boroda posts. The difference is SOB knows he's funny :)
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Boroda, media told them everything but they just don't want to read and understand. They see only what they want to see.
On Sunday, the war crimes tribunal president said he ordered the autopsy and a toxicological examination after a report from the Dutch coroner that failed to establish the cause of death.
Milosevic thought he was being poisoned, lawyer says
But his death fuelled accusations of conspiracy on Sunday, as his supporters insisting that Milosevic was a victim of foul play and had possibly been poisoned.
Milosevic's legal adviser, Zdenko Tomanovic, showed reporters on Sunday a lengthy letter he said the former leader wrote on Friday.
In it, Milosevic said traces of a "heavy drug" had been found in his bloodstream and said he feared he was being poisoned.
"They would like to poison me," Tomanovic quoted Milosevic as telling him.
http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2006/03/12/milosevic-autopsy-060312.html
Even student of medical college is able to identify heart attack, but coroner failed to do that. So, it wasn't problem with heart. What else it could be besides poisoning?
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I heard they made him to listen tATu and watch their videos :cry
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And, btw, I salute you, Boroda.
You definitly won this fight. They can't argue with the facts, and as usual switched to personal insinuations.
They discuss you because they are afraid to discuss subject.
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Boroda & Vad; are you aware that a serbian doctors are observing the autopsy?
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Originally posted by Staga
Boroda & Vad; are you aware that a serbian doctors are observing the autopsy?
Yes, but there are no official relults of autopsy yet.
It won't be interesting to discuss subject after they will be released :)
PS: BTW, I bet autopsy will show nothing. It will be more interesting to see results of toxicological examination...
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Is there any doubt that when the autopsy/toxicolgy comes back clean that these two clowns will cry conspiracy?
Anyway, tell me how was Miloshevic rule in 1990s good for Serbia?
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Milosevic died of heart failure
Former Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic
Rumours have flown since Mr Milosevic's death
Preliminary results from the autopsy conducted on Slobodan Milosevic indicate he died of a heart attack, a Hague tribunal official says.
He was speaking before full results of the autopsy were made public.
The former Yugoslav President was found dead on Saturday in the Netherlands, where he was on trial for war crimes.
Mr Milosevic's lawyer said that the day before he died, he had complained he was being poisoned. Some have also suggested he may have killed himself.
An official at the UN's tribunal at The Hague told journalists that the autopsy results would show Mr Milosevic died of "classical heart failure".
Mr Milosevic, 64, had long suffered from heart problems.
UN chief prosecutor Carla del Ponte has refused to comment on claims that he could have been poisoned or committed suicide.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4799880.stm
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And finally we got the truth:
A Dutch state broadcaster, NOS, said later that an adviser to the tribunal confirmed such a drug was found in a blood sample taken in recent months from Milosevic. The report said the adviser, who was not identified, said the drug could have had a "neutralizing effect" on Milosevic's other medications.
Doctors found traces of the drug when they were searching for an answer to why Milosevic's medication for high blood pressure was not working, the NOS report said.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060312/ap_on_re_eu/milosevic
Perfect assassination! Neutralize medication and wait till victim will die.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Is there any doubt that when the autopsy/toxicolgy comes back clean that these two clowns will cry conspiracy?
You're propably right; I don't think even those Serbian doctors could change Boroda's and Vad's opinion.
Oh well; that just makes following their posts more interesting :)
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Is there any doubt that when the autopsy/toxicolgy comes back clean that these two clowns will cry conspiracy?
Couple of dozens clowns tried to convince us and themself that white is black. Interesting what they are going to do now? Will try to convince us that it is not count, and it is absolutelly legal to neutrolize high blood medication, and let patient die?
Mu-ha-ha-ha!
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Tell me how was Slobo good for Serbia in the 1990s? You guys must love him for some reason - surely you can point out all the good things and progrsss he accomplished for serbia from 1989 to 2000.
Cmon it's gonna be really easy, great accomplishent after great accomplishemt should be easily listed. Get on it guys - consider it a tribute to a fallen hero.
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I wonder how long physician in the United States would keep his license if he prescribed to patient with high blood pressure Norvasc, Diovan and something which neutralizes effect of these pills? And where will he spend the rest of his life when patient will finally die?
You, clowns, are really funny when you are trying to protect that bastards...
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Tell me how was Slobo good for Serbia in the 1990s? You guys must love him for some reason - surely you can point out all the good things and progrsss he accomplished for serbia from 1989 to 2000.
Cmon it's gonna be really easy, great accomplishent after great accomplishemt should be easily listed. Get on it guys - consider it a tribute to a fallen hero.
You are trying to change the theme. I see, you are not going to argue anymore with the fact that they killed Slobo. Now you are trying to prove that it is ok to kill anybody without court decision if he was bad guy? Am I correct?
Let finish with this subject, and after that I will tell you what I think about Slobo and his ruling.
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Where was it decided that slobo was murdered? You know this before the autopsy, I see.... Tells us all that you have made up your mind with no evidence either way..
So till the autopsy comes back, lets discuss what made him such a succesful leader for serbia? What are his great visible accomplisments that improved serbia between 1989 to 2000?
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And, btw, I salute you, Grunherz.
You definitly won this fight. They can't argue with the facts, and as usual switched to personal insinuations.
They discuss you because they are afraid to discuss subject.
Look, I can declare BB victory too!! WOO WOOO!!
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by Vad
Let finish with this subject, and after that I will tell you what I think about Slobo and his ruling.
You already know SLobo was killed and I already know You didn't like him much :)
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
And, btw, I salute you, Grunherz.
You definitly won this fight. They can't argue with the facts, and as usual switched to personal insinuations.
They discuss you because they are afraid to discuss subject.
Look, I can declare BB victory too!! WOO WOOO!!
-- Todd/Leviathn
Exactly! We are teh winnors!!!
(http://www.onthespotimprov.ca/Spot%20Victory.JPG)
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
And, btw, I salute you, Grunherz.
You definitly won this fight. They can't argue with the facts, and as usual switched to personal insinuations.
They discuss you because they are afraid to discuss subject.
Look, I can declare BB victory too!! WOO WOOO!!
-- Todd/Leviathn
Where did you find any personal comments about Grunherz? Could you show me that post, I will bring my apologies.
And to Grunherz. I qouted it already, and can do that again specially for you:
A Dutch state broadcaster, NOS, said later that an adviser to the tribunal confirmed such a drug was found in a blood sample taken in recent months from Milosevic. The report said the adviser, who was not identified, said the drug could have had a "neutralizing effect" on Milosevic's other medications.
Doctors found traces of the drug when they were searching for an answer to why Milosevic's medication for high blood pressure was not working, the NOS report said.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060312...re_eu/milosevic
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"Serbian state television also reported that his death was caused by a heart attack, citing two Serbian officials familiar with the autopsy. The government-run network said Milosevic had the heart attack as he lay in bed Saturday in his cell at The Hague.
The autopsy was carried out by Dutch authorities, with two Serbian doctors overseeing their work. The official results were not immediately released."
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/03/12/milosovic/index.html
I can selectively quote news articles too! I think my official patriotic serbian state newssource quoting patriotic serbians trumps your murderous UN Dutch official newsc source!!!! HA!!
Anyway, till the autopsy comes back, lets discuss what made slobo so great for serbia from 1989 till 2000. Should be easy since you love him so much.
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Originally posted by Sandman
I'm fresh outta rat's asses.
:lol
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Originally posted by Vad
Where did you find any personal comments about Grunherz? Could you show me that post, I will bring my apologies.
If you already didn't get the point of that post, there's not much use in trying to explain it.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by Vad
And, btw, I salute you, Boroda.
You definitly won this fight. They can't argue with the facts, and as usual switched to personal insinuations.
They discuss you because they are afraid to discuss subject.
I bet you still think you won the Cold War and won in Afghanistan and in Chechnya. It must suck being China's lap dog now.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Pooh21
Carla Del Ponte looks like austin powers
That's a man, baby!
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Somehow poison in the blood stream doesn't have the same effect or power of a .45 to the forehead.
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OK.... I confess, I did it.
I work as a UN Operative when I'm not flying F-16 Vipers for the NSA. Last week I received coded instructions via MSN that Slobby was about to reveal information about a top secret operation UN troops participated in, Operation Ovis - I cannot tell you what Operation Ovis involved other than it would send shockwaves around the world and people simply could not handle the truth. Thus, slobby had to go.
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Ok, Vulcan. You won this round. I work as a secret KGB...no what is it they call us now...ummm "Russian internal security expert" when I'm not busy training terrorists.
I had heard Slobby was about to feed the public the lies we'd fed him, so was going there, an "impartial" collection of TV crews/personalities in the back of my AN-72.
You beat me to him.
Oh well. At least I won the "arm North Korea" race.
What's the score now old chap? I believe you're now leading by two points. I shall do my best to keep up.
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Originally posted by Staga
I heard they made him to listen tATu and watch their videos :cry
They can.... Their "Huj Voine" was something :-)
But anyway, you should look onto this from diffirent angle.
1. Slobo's blood tests made few weeks before death, with results of unknown medicaments wich blocked hipertony therapy.
2. Slobo's letter with accusations in poisoning.
3. Very strange trial reaction onto Slobo's neighborhood requests to make an autopsy in Russia. Body was moved in 12 hours.
In fact, Slobo on that moment wasn't a prisoner. His guilty wasn't proven. So his status can be something like "probably suspected by illegal trial". But regardless of all international law (I remember how do you like to use it) his requests to go to Moscow clinic for medical treatment was refused. So his death in prison-cell can be named only like: murder.
And I don't want to discuss now, was it poisoning or myocardial infartion. The guilty of his death is on Del Ponte and Gaag trial.
And sure, two deaths of Gaag tribunal suspects in one week is something more then just coincidence.
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Originally posted by Vad
I wonder how long physician in the United States would keep his license if he prescribed to patient with high blood pressure Norvasc, Diovan and something which neutralizes effect of these pills? And where will he spend the rest of his life when patient will finally die?
As we know - nothing. USA earns it's deserved first place in the list of medical errors.
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Originally posted by Callisto
Ahhhh...the pig is finally dead.... im off to get drunk tonight to celebrate.
WAY ahead of you. by the time you even read that he was dead i was drunk as hell!!! the news of his death on the radio only sweetened the buzz.
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Originally posted by StSanta
Ok, Vulcan. You won this round. I work as a secret KGB...no what is it they call us now...ummm "Russian internal security expert" when I'm not busy training terrorists.
I had heard Slobby was about to feed the public the lies we'd fed him, so was going there, an "impartial" collection of TV crews/personalities in the back of my AN-72.
You beat me to him.
Oh well. At least I won the "arm North Korea" race.
What's the score now old chap? I believe you're now leading by two points. I shall do my best to keep up.
Until you recapture boroda and vad I'm still in the lead.
Red White Blue and Black Ninja Soaring Eagle 1 out (thats my codename if you need to look me up)
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The "murder" of Milosevic is just in one a long line of "incidents" in the vast and mysterious Voss Conspiracy.
Watch your backs.
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pfft! i dont need to watch my own back like a sucker. i got robots to do that for me.
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Haha!
Remember when Yushchenko was obviously poisoned ?
"Oh that's ridiculous! He wasn't poisoned, it is common std."
Btw who but a totally handsomehunk would want to go to russia instead of netherlands for medical care?
The fact that they didn't allow him to be treated in moscow refutes the argument that they wanted him to die.
Sure, his wanting to go to moscow had nothing to do with the fact that moscow won't extradite serbian war criminals, you know, like his wife who lives in moscow.
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Moscow has the best medical care in world, in fact moscow invented medical care 20 years before the dutch and 25 years before america.
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Originally posted by Vad
Nice stuff, where did they get it?
I watched the same show. From what I gatherd all the information was gathered from declassified soviet documents.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Where was it decided that slobo was murdered? You know this before the autopsy, I see.... Tells us all that you have made up your mind with no evidence either way..
GH, even with your complete absence of logics and common sence, combined with irrational hatered towards Orthodox nations, it must be obvious that when they didn't let him go to Russia for treatment - they killed him.
Toxicological analysis proves that Dutch doctors who treated him were probably from euthanasia hospital.
As for Serbian doctor who "observed" the autopsy - AFAIK he had to look at the process from another room through the glass.
The so-called "trial" collapsed, so they simply couldn't let him go, it's obvious, like 2x2=4. Look, they again began to scream about "genocide", as if this idiotic accusation wasn't already beaten and removed.
I already asked many times here, is it possible to find English translations of Miloshevich's speaches at the "trial" on the Net. Now tell me about "freedom of speech" in so-called "free world". Unlike you, guys, we had an opportunity to see all the farce from the very beginning.
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
And, btw, I salute you, Grunherz.
You definitly won this fight. They can't argue with the facts, and as usual switched to personal insinuations.
They discuss you because they are afraid to discuss subject.
Look, I can declare BB victory too!! WOO WOOO!!
-- Todd/Leviathn
GH several times called Croatian genocide of Srpska Krajna in 1995 a "planned operation" "carried together with our American friends" and cheered the fact that 350,000 Serbs were murdered, raped or kicked out of their homes to join millions of Serbian refugees in Yugoslavia. He's simply an ustash[/b], enough said.
Just read this: http://www.antegotovina.com/default.aspx?LID=1 to understand the Croatian point of view. American allies!... Tell me who's your friend...
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Here you go, courtsey of the "captive press" :rofl
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You will need Real Player to view the segments. Since our RealPlayer link keeps breaking, you'll need to search "RealPlayer free download" in a search engine of your choice. This should bring you to the RealPlayer website, where you can download their free player. Use the arrows in the RealPlayer clip menu located to the right of the playlist (where it reads ICTY Court 1 English Video) to view all of the day's proceedings.
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Toxicological analysis proves that Dutch doctors who treated him were probably from euthanasia hospital.
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I don't suppose you have even a shred of proof for this outrageous statement?
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Originally posted by Suave
Haha!
Remember when Yushchenko was obviously poisoned ?
"Oh that's ridiculous! He wasn't poisoned, it is common std."
Btw who but a totally handsomehunk would want to go to russia instead of netherlands for medical care?
The fact that they didn't allow him to be treated in moscow refutes the argument that they wanted him to die.
Sure, his wanting to go to moscow had nothing to do with the fact that moscow won't extradite serbian war criminals, you know, like his wife who lives in moscow.
1) Russian Cardio-Surgery center is not a thing you should compare to euthanasia clinics in Netherlands.
2) We have a result, he died. No "ifs" here.
3) That Pontozaurus Procecutorea got guarantees from Russian President and parliament. If it's not enough for that dumb female reptiloid - then she really thinks she's above any justice, sort of modern "democratic" inquisition. See above about Western fundamentalism.
4) Miloshevish's wife - a war criminal?! That's new even for European homophiles in the news.
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Originally posted by Toad
I don't suppose you have even a shred of proof for this outrageous statement?
Does absence of common sence mean also inability to understand sarcasm?
live courtesy of Domovina Net.
Now that's hillarious! Only possible from people who don't know Slavonic languages! :D
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Originally posted by Suave
Haha!
Remember when Yushchenko was obviously poisoned ?
"Oh that's ridiculous! He wasn't poisoned, it is common std."
Sure, I remember that he was poisoned with dioxines, and I also remember that Austrian doctor had to quit his job because he was forced to sonfirm that idiotic diagnosis. Strange, why the case about "poisoning" is now closed, and everyone is silent about it?
I try to closely watch what's going on in the Ukraine now, with the help of my relatives who live in Chernovtsy. "Victory of Democracy" there now turned into complete economical and political failure. At least they can't say we didn't warn them.
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Oh, that was sarcasm?
You might want to use the sarcasm html tags since most of your posts seem to come from a galaxy far, far away or another astral plane altogther.
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Originally posted by Toad
Oh, that was sarcasm?
You might want to use the sarcasm html tags since most of your posts seem to come from a galaxy far, far away or another astral plane altogther.
Toad, it's time to get used to deal with people who don't share your attitude. Seriously.
I couldn't expect anyone to take that remark about euthanasia seriously, maybe somethig's wrong with me, but I don't think so.
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It isn't that I do or don't share your attitude.
It's that I simply cannot believe your total disregard for fact in just about everything you post.
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Let me get this straight...
You call us Americans a bunch of illiterate Nazi's, tell stories of how Stalin and Slobbo were really wonderful humanitarians who've been unjustly villified and rant endlessly about some "Western Conspiracy" in post after post, and then you say things like:
Toad, it's time to get used to deal with people who don't share your attitude. Seriously.
You've got to be kidding me. Just gabble on about 'propaganda', and rant about how no one knows like you do, and nobody is smart enough to understand, and we're all a pack of gibbering idiots... then tell Toad he's out of line?
That is purely and positively ridiculous. My 6th grader comes up with better than that.
Of course, I forget that everything is a conspiracy, designed to assure that America takes over the world. Ooops! I just gave away the big secret! I don't suppose, though, that a 65 year old man with a heart condition and rampant hypertension, on trial for his life, could possibly have just...I dunno...died? Or, maybe killed himself? Maybe wanted to kill himself while attempting to embarass his captors? Nope. Musta been a conspiracy..
Pffft. Waste of time.
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Originally posted by USHilDvl
Let me get this straight...
You call us Americans a bunch of illiterate Nazi's, tell stories of how Stalin and Slobbo were really wonderful humanitarians who've been unjustly villified and rant endlessly about some "Western Conspiracy" in post after post, and then you say things like:
Sorry, who were you talking to? :confused:
Where did I mention Americans in this thread? Where did I say they are illiterate?
Where did I say Miloshevich was a wonderful humanitarian?
He was a real leader, who tried to achieve impossible, because he had no choice. And he died undefeated. I mean - not guilty even by your fundamentalist laws. He wasn't sentenced. That's all.
Stalin did achieve impossible. Miloshevich didn't, but he tried.
Miloshevich was guilty in letting Yugoslavia to fall apart, and the following situation didn't give him any choice: he couldn't afford to let "civilized" Croats and Moslims to genocide his compatriots. He had enough courage to stand against inhuman Western killing machine, and he deserves all possible respect for his deeds, as well as he deserves accusations for the collapse of Yugoslavia.
There is no black and white. But the fact that he was murdered makes him a martyr for all the nations that refuse to bend and suck. He wasn't a genius like Stalin or Tito, but he did all he could with what he had. Serbs still exist as a nation.
You simply can't understand what he did, you never knew what it feels like when bombs are falling onto your home. It's not because you are "illiterate", it's because you are lucky.
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Boroda, if Slobo was so great man why isn't Serbia giving him a state funerals or even flying the flag in half mast?
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Originally posted by Staga
Boroda, if Slobo was so great man why isn't Serbia giving him a state funerals or even flying the flag in half mast?
What Serbia? Corrupt comprador leadership who sold him to Hague murderers for a promise of $1.3 billion credit, that they never recieved? How civilized, indeed! To promise money for a treason, and then refuse to pay!... WTG Liberal Values!
There are ordinary people burning candles for him. This is enough.
BTW, if you'll look carefully - you'll see that he refused from power only to avoid bloodshed, he definetly won the elections and had to quit anyway.
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Strange... Looks like Slobo was a saint and everyone else are criminals, murderers, traitors, corrupted politicians and so on...
Oh well; I wonder if Slobo could get his Nobel price posthumous?
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Originally posted by Boroda
What Serbia? Corrupt comprador leadership who sold him to Hague murderers for a promise of $1.3 billion credit, that they never recieved? How civilized, indeed! To promise money for a treason, and then refuse to pay!... WTG Liberal Values!
There are ordinary people burning candles for him. This is enough.
BTW, if you'll look carefully - you'll see that he refused from power only to avoid bloodshed, he definetly won the elections and had to quit anyway.
You really can't be this stupid?:huh
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Originally posted by Staga
Strange... Looks like Slobo was a saint and everyone else are criminals, murderers, traitors, corrupted politicians and so on...
Oh well; I wonder if Slobo could get his Nobel price posthumous?
Slobo wasn't a saint. There is a certain difference between a saint and a martyr.
He made many bad decisions, and he's responsible for a civil war in Yugoslavia. I don't deny that.
But it's a fact that he died as a winner, not guilty.
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Originally posted by Boroda
Slobo wasn't a saint. There is a certain difference between a saint and a martyr.
He made many bad decisions, and he's responsible for a civil war in Yugoslavia. I don't deny that.
But it's a fact that he died as a winner, not guilty.
By that logic was Hitler a winner too?
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Originally posted by Boroda
But it's a fact that he died as a winner, not guilty.
That's not even cold comfort for him, he's dead. And there's a difference between not convicted, and not guilty. ;)
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He spent his last few years in a cell, poisoned and now dead. If that is your idea of a winner I'd hate to see a loser.
BTW how bad does a country have to suck to make someone think that was winning?
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Stalin was a genius? He was great at manipulating terrified subordinates but that was about the sum total of the man.
Although his preparations for a war with a hardened Wehrmacht were of course bordering on genius in their simplistic stupidity.
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Originally posted by Boroda
Stalin did achieve impossible. Miloshevich didn't, but he tried.
Yeah, before him killing 20 million of your own countrymen and displacing millions of more into forced internal exile was just a pipe dream.
ack-ack
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I can't believe I agree with Dowding.
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The Soviet Union defeated Germany in WWII in spite of Stalin, not because of him. The only impossible thing he achieved was winning in spite of himself, and to that he owes everything to the resiliencey, industriousness, and amazing self-sacrifice of the Russian people.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by mietla
No surpise here. I agree with DMF as well.
Boroda,
explain to us how all those purges in the 30-ties that killed most (if not all) experienced, top level military commanders (many of them most revered heroes of the revolution and unquestionably extremely able military commanders) were good for the USSR.
We all know why it was beneficial for Stalin so you can skip that part. Please concentrate on a benefit to the nation and its people.
I hope I did not kill this thread.
Boroda, please tell me it ain't so....
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Then there's today's revelations...
Seems the prison staff had been complaining, for some time, that he was having drugs and alcohol smuggled in on a regular basis. The prison warden had written to the UN to advise them of the situation;
U.N. prosecutors complained as early as 2004 that Milosevic was defying his regime of prescribed medication and taking other drugs to manipulate his health to his advantage during court proceedings. The trial was repeatedly interrupted at critical points because of the defendant's ill health.
So, a 65-year old drinker, with a heart condition, hypertension and elevated stress, who intentionally violates doctor's orders, takes alcohol with prescription meds, self-medicates with illicit and unprescribed compunds and continually manipulates his own health to avoid answering for his actions...
Yup...musta been murdered. Had to be a conspiracy. Couldn't have been anything else. It's the forces of evil trying to hold down a people's hero...a winner.
I say...genocidal maniac, who probably got tagged playing a stupid, dangerous and cowardly game.
Again.....Pfffft. Good riddance.
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Originally posted by mietla
I hope I did not kill this thread.
Boroda, please tell me it ain't so....
Is there a russian equvalent to the American image of a barren desert road with tumbleweeds rolling in the wind? If so thats the appropriate image for whats going on now.
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Originally posted by mietla
No surpise here. I agree with DMF as well.
Boroda,
explain to us how all those purges in the 30-ties that killed most (if not all) experienced, top level military commanders (many of them most revered heroes of the revolution and unquestionably extremely able military commanders) were good for the USSR.
We all know why it was beneficial for Stalin so you can skip that part. Please concentrate on a benefit to the nation and its people.
It is a good question, Mielta. Actually, even now historians argue about that.
If there was somebody on this board who would really want to understand what happened in the USSR in 20s - 40s we would be pleased to discuss it. Unfortunatelly, our Western friends think that they know history of Russia better than we. It is funny to hear about history of my country from those who know this history from newspaper articles but... ok.
About your question. On the first glance it looks obvious that execution of the top commanders can't be good for any army. But if we look in deep it happens to be a little more complicated.
To understand that you have to remind that repressions of 30s were going under the banner of fighting with Trotskyism and Trotsky. Trotsky was the leader of Red Army in the Civil War, person who actually won that war. Top military commanders were those who fought together with Trotsky, they belived him, and they would go after him in Hell or Haven. When Stalin deported Trotsky from the USSR, and later executed most of his supporters like Zinoviev, Kamenev, etc. top leaders of Army became dangerous for him.
Ok, now more interesting question: who was better - Stalin or Trotsky? What would happen if Trotsky won, and Stalin lost. What would happen if Stalin was estranged, and Trotsky headed the USSR.
Few pointings:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trotskyism
Trotskyism is the theory of Marxism as advocated by Leon Trotsky. Trotsky considered himself a Bolshevik-Leninist, arguing for the establishment of a vanguard party. He considered himself an advocate of orthodox Marxism. His politics differed greatly from those of Stalin or Mao, most importantly in declaring the need for an international "permanent revolution".
Do you know what is "permanent revolution"? It is export of reviolution, or, in other words, total war against Western countries. In practice it means Bolshevik hordes in France in the end of 20s-30s. Would it be better?
It was Trotsky who supported collictivization, actually it was his idea. And you know the result - millions starved.
Do you know that Red brigades, Basques in Spain, the most of terroristic organizations in Europe are standing on Trotsky positions? I never heard about Stalin terroristic organizations, may be you did?
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In 1913 Russian Empire had only about 1% of population working in industry. After WWI and especially Civil War the whole country was in ruins. I mean - there was no industry, nothing. In 1927-39 everything was built from nothing, including millions of educated people who were children of illiterate peasants. It's more then a miracle. Then in 1945 we have won the most devastating war in history, the war for survival of the whole nation, and we again had everything in ruins, and lost over 10% of population. By 1947 USSR restored industry to pre-war (1940) level, and in 1957 it launched first sattelite into space. A miracle again. A country where only one out of ten people could read in 1913 - reached such heights, including total literacy, great educational system and healthcare for _everyone_.
That's what I mean by "achieving impossible".
Enough of this, we are not discussing USSR here.
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Originally posted by USHilDvl
Then there's today's revelations...
Seems the prison staff had been complaining, for some time, that he was having drugs and alcohol smuggled in on a regular basis. The prison warden had written to the UN to advise them of the situation;
Is it true?! It's the most pure nonsence I have read in the last several months. Smuggling alcohol into prison cell! It sounds so idiotic that I don't even want to discuss it.
Originally posted by USHilDvl
So, a 65-year old drinker, with a heart condition, hypertension and elevated stress, who intentionally violates doctor's orders, takes alcohol with prescription meds, self-medicates with illicit and unprescribed compunds and continually manipulates his own health to avoid answering for his actions...
Yup...musta been murdered. Had to be a conspiracy. Couldn't have been anything else. It's the forces of evil trying to hold down a people's hero...a winner.
Do you believe such bull****? Self-medicating in prison! For prisoners of such level - he'll not have a single fly in his cell without permission.
The fact is: he was refused to get proper medical treatment, despite of obvious facts about hos health, visible even to so-called "judges". It killed him. Now tell me who's responsible.
Yes, he committed suicide, my ass! Bloody immoral hypocrites. No moreale, no conscious, abslouely.
Originally posted by USHilDvl
I say...genocidal maniac, who probably got tagged playing a stupid, dangerous and cowardly game.
Again.....Pfffft. Good riddance.
Again: accusation of genocide was officially removed. By the same bloody "lawers". Now they feel free to accuse him of the things they officially denied themselves. Real Western attitude.
Nazis failed to accuse Dimitrov in 1933, and they had to let him go. Have you ever heard of a Leipzig process? He was allowed to speak free, and he spoke to the press in nazi Germany (!!!). Now we see Miloshevich beating accusations without any problems, and "winning a moral duel" with accusors, so - they simply shut him down, not letting him to speak to media, and then, after accusation completely failed - to justify their own crimes against Serbian people and not to admit that US and NATO openly supported terrorist organisations, bombed civilian objects in Yugoslavia, killed thousands of innocent civilians and supported genocide of Serbs in Kosovo, Srpska Krajna and other places - they let him die, to start repeating the lies they denied themselves several years ago.
Hypocricy and murder. Usual Western method. Genocide as an instrument in international politics. We see it everywhere they interfere.
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Originally posted by mietla
No surpise here. I agree with DMF as well.
Boroda,
explain to us how all those purges in the 30-ties that killed most (if not all) experienced, top level military commanders (many of them most revered heroes of the revolution and unquestionably extremely able military commanders) were good for the USSR.
We all know why it was beneficial for Stalin so you can skip that part. Please concentrate on a benefit to the nation and its people.
****. I explained it many times. "Experienced" top-commanders were absolutely incompetent. They were commanders of irregular partisan squads in Civil War, and ****ed up everything they did in the 30s. Example: accusations against Marshall Bluher, executed in 1939, were based on the fact that during the conflict with Japan in 1938 on lake Hasan, when Soviet troops got severely kicked, he was a commander of Far-East military district, and during all the hostilities was blue from drinking, unable to issue a single order.
All this hype about "purges" was started by the children of "old Bolsheviks", who suddenly turned from predators into prey, instead of killing themselves (and they were responsible for millions of deaths in 1918-1930) they got purged. The hell with them.
Frankly speaking - I am not surprised that I have to explain obvious things.
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Those 'things' may be obvious to you Boroda, but quite frankly the only thing I know is what is written in my history books. As you are aware, they do not put Mr. Stalin on a pedestal as you do.
From what I know, the man was ruthless, cold hearted and mentally deranged. Starving millions in the Urkraine, killing those around him who posed a threat, and signing a deal with the mother of all evil people, Mr. Hitler. I am sure you are aware the many of the Luftwaffe pilots trained on Russian soil (in secret). Many of those pilots then turned around and attacked your country ... is that GENIOUS?
You are wasting your breath, as am I. We won't see eye to eye on the subject or Milosevic or Stalin.
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Originally posted by skernsk
Those 'things' may be obvious to you Boroda, but quite frankly the only thing I know is what is written in my history books. As you are aware, they do not put Mr. Stalin on a pedestal as you do.
From what I know, the man was ruthless, cold hearted and mentally deranged. Starving millions in the Urkraine, killing those around him who posed a threat, and signing a deal with the mother of all evil people, Mr. Hitler. I am sure you are aware the many of the Luftwaffe pilots trained on Russian soil (in secret). Many of those pilots then turned around and attacked your country ... is that GENIOUS?
You are wasting your breath, as am I. We won't see eye to eye on the subject or Milosevic or Stalin.
I explained why I think that JVS "achieved impossible".
1) Killing millions in Ukraine: idiotic accusation. Why could he need to kill millions of the second nation in the Union? Mass starvations happened in Russia every 3-5 years. In fact only bolshevks stopped it. Last mass starvation happened in 1947. In 1933 millions also starved in Volga region, does anyone remember it? They were bloody Russians, not Ukrainians, that's why they don't deserve to be mentioned in your history comic-books.
2) Signing a deal with Hitler - only after Western "allies" showed that they don't want to USSR join against Hitler. Read something about Moscow negotiations in August 1939. It's funny, seriously. "Allies" left him no choice. So he preferred 2 more years of peace, plus important technology and weapons in exchange for raw materials that Soviet industry was unable to process. Did you know that Germany sold a heavy cruiser Petropavlovsk, Hipper class, to USSR before the war? It played an important role in defending Leningrad. I bet you didn't know it. No surprise.
3) LW pilots were trained in Lipetsk before 1933. But I think you understand who trained who there. Germany had... hmmm... a little more experience in air combat then Russia. Obvious things again, see? Such things were a part of a miracle I described in previous posts. USSR simply didn't have anything that could help developing in this field. Just in case you don't know - Hitler came to power in 1933, and it was the time when military cooperation with Germany was stopped.
I love this silly discussions. It's like argueing with a 5 years old kid. Common sence and knowledge vs. blind faith and ignorance.
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Originally posted by skernsk
... and signing a deal with the mother of all evil people, Mr. Hitler.
What are interesting history books you have! :) They know everything about Robbintrop-Molotov pact and know nothing about Munich agreements!
Thanks to Internet, it can be fixed easily:
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/2WWmunich.htm
September 1938, year before Stalin-Hitler pact.
So, who was the first who signed treaty with mother of all evils?
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Vad, Orwell was right. Ignorance is power. Exactly.
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Originally posted by Boroda
Vad, Orwell was right. Ignorance is power. Exactly.
Then Russia must be the most powerful country in the world!
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Good point. Chamberlain was a *****. "there will be peace in our time "
Good thing a real leader, Genius and one who did not kill millions of its own, nor his high ranking military officials took the reins. Churchill was a leader.
Thanks for the link. Here are a few for you to read.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/bresiger/bresiger7.html
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/RUSstalin.htm
http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/dictat.html< -- 13,000,000 dead, puts your genius at #2 on the list.
http://www.infoukes.com/history/famine/
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Originally posted by skernsk
Good point. Chamberlain was a *****. "there will be peace in our time "
perhaps had he an non holywood idea of war.
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/titi.nanou/images/poilu.jpg
http://bac.d.free.fr/guerre_14_18/a4_cadavres_de_soldats_francais_et_allemands.JPG
http://www.tnovosel.org/greatwargraphics/bonesatverdun.jpg
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Originally posted by skernsk
Good point. Chamberlain was a *****. "there will be peace in our time "
Good thing a real leader, Genius and one who did not kill millions of its own, nor his high ranking military officials took the reins. Churchill was a leader.
Ok, at least we have a sign of civilized discussion.
If my memory serves me well you are the first person who have agreed with something we told you. Good sign.
About you links. Actually, it is history of my country, and I know it better than all Western historians taken together. Because I lived there.
I looked through your links.... something right, something arguable, something clear wrong. Actually, it's not so important, it's details. If you wnat to believe in all of that, I won't even argue with you. Suppose that it is all the truth.
If it's all truth what do you think why nevertheless most of the Russian people consider Stalin as outstanding person, a genuis? You really do believe that we are brainwashed morons who are even in the 21 centures and living in democratic countries can't distinguish between black and white? If yes, there is no subject to talk about, what morons can tell you? If no, any curious person would at least ask: "WHY"? Don't tell us that we are wrong, you can't prove it, but ask why do we think so? Pure curiosity of the people who want to know something new, not insist on their point of view in anyhow.
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I have to have a good laugh about our 2 good Commie friends. They say we know nothing about their history, yet they believe everything that they are told by their instructors about Western history.:rofl
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Oh my. Orwell was writing about Stalin! He inspired the man! Where do you think he obtained his ideas about show trials and the 'dummy' reconcilliations?
This is actually a remarkably funny thread.
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Originally posted by MiloMorai
I have to have a good laugh about our 2 good Commie friends. They say we know nothing about their history, yet they believe everything that they are told by their instructors about Western history.:rofl
Yes, it would be funny if I ever insisted on my view on Western history. I am well-mannered enough to only give you facts about your history (Munich agreements, for example) without my comments.
Evaluation of leaders involved was given by our Western friends, not me.
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Originally posted by Dowding
Oh my. Orwell was writing about Stalin! He inspired the man! Where do you think he obtained his ideas about show trials and the 'dummy' reconcilliations?
LOL, Orwell was a Communist :D
He wrote about Western society, just look around to see it ;)