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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: bj229r on March 13, 2006, 06:52:38 PM
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Saw this on another bbs--it killed me:lol
http://www.wlsam.com/showdj.asp?DJID=23506
The Complete Military History of France - Gallic Wars: Lost. In a war whose ending foreshadows the next 2000 years of French history, France is conquered by of all things, an Italian.
- Hundred Years' War: Mostly lost, saved at last by female schizophrenic who inadvertently creates The First Rule of French Warfare; "France's armies are victorious only when not led by a Frenchman."
- Italian Wars: Lost. France becomes the first and only country to ever lose two wars when fighting Italians.
-- Wars of religion: France goes 0-5-4 against the Huguenots - Thirty Years War - France is technically not a participant, but manages to get invaded anyway. Claims a tie on the basis that eventually the other participants started ignoring her.
- War of Devolution: Tied. Frenchmen take to wearing red flowerpots as chapeaux.
- The Dutch War: Tied War of the Augsburg League/King William's War/French and Indian War - Lost, but claimed as a tie. Three ties in a row induces deluded Frogophiles the world over to label the period as the height of French military power.
- War of the Spanish Succession: Lost. The War also gave the French their first taste of a Marlborough, which they have loved every since.
- American Revolution: In a move that will become quite familiar to future Americans, France claims a win even though the English colonists saw far more action. This is later known as "de Gaulle Syndrome", and leads to the Second Rule of French Warfare; "France only wins when America does most of the fighting."
- French Revolution: Won, primarily due the fact that the opponent was also French. -
The Napoleonic Wars: Lost. Temporary victories (remember the First
Rule!) due to leadership of a Corsican, who ended up being no match for a British footwear designer.
- The Franco-Prussian War: Lost. Germany first plays the role of drunken Frat boy to France's ugly girl home alone on a Saturday night.
- World War I: Tied and on the way to losing, France is saved by the United States. Thousands of French women find out what it's like to not only sleep with a winner, but one who doesn't call her "Fraulein."
Sadly, widespread use of condoms by American forces forestalls any improvement in the French bloodline.
- World War II: Lost. Conquered French liberated by the United States and Britain just as they finish learning the Horst Wessel Song.
- War in Indochina: Lost. French forces plead sickness; take to bed with the Dien Bien Flu
- Algerian Rebellion - Lost. Loss marks the first defeat of a western army by a Non-Turkic Muslim force since the Crusades, and produces the First Rule of Muslim Warfare; "We can always beat the French." This rule is identical to the First Rules of the Italians, Russians, Germans, English, Dutch, Spanish, Vietnamese and Esquimaux.
- War on Terrorism - France, keeping in mind its recent history, surrenders to Germans and Muslims just to be safe. Attempts to surrender to Vietnamese ambassador fail after he takes refuge in a McDonald's.
Let's face it. When it comes to war, France gets rolled more often than a Parisian prostitute with a visible mustache. They've been beaten so many times there's no fight left in them.
The question for any country silly enough to count on the French should not be "Can we count on the French?", but rather "How long until France collapses?"
But never fear - The French are always there when they need us!
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that's old but funny just the same. what was left out of that synopsis is the french loss to haitains in 1805 which caused haiti to become the second democratic republic in the western hemisphere after the United States. yes, france lost to the haitians.
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Name one war won by only USA alone please
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The Spainish American War.
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The Civil War. The American Revolution.
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Actually... the French made decisive wins that helped us in the American Revolution, specifically the Battle of Chesapeake. Their naval win made the british surrender at Yorktown possible.
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Name one war won by only USA alone please
The American Revolution.
We had the help of France and Poland.
The Civil War.
We also lost this one.
The Spainish American War.
I think Texas helped us with this one. (Back when they were an independent nation, as they should be.)
We did kick Panama's butt when Noriega threatened to snitch out Bush I, and stomped some cuban mercs in Grenada for some reason.
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"La garde recuil! Sauve qui peut!"
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small correction here, in the American Revolution, the americans got help from france only after proving they could beat the british in a major battle, (saratoga i think), then spain joined france against england and england declared war on holland because the dutch were smuggling gun powder to the americans.
so the "American Revolution" turned into a mini world war to see who could grab the most islands in the caribbean. the islands produced sugar which was the oil of the day.
no blood for sugar.
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Originally posted by bj229r
- World War I: Tied and on the way to losing, France is saved by the United States. Thousands of French women find out what it's like to not only sleep with a winner, but one who doesn't call her "Fraulein."
I've seen this piece of absolutely horrific stupidity being circulated as chain letters before, but this one always pisses me off. I must preface my argument by stating I'm American, but I ****ing know history. America did NOT save France and it was not a tie amongst the Allies vs the Central Powers. Americans had a factor in the war, but only as French soldiers and airmen up until the point America joined the war in 1917 - and the only purpose the American military served was absorbing bullets. THREE YEARS after the fighting had begun. The Lafayette Escadrille, and Americans serving in French regiments, had more effect on the war than the entire American "armed services" did. In WWI, our military was nonexistant and training to get the doughboys into the war was pathetic at best.
Giving the French **** might be fun, but I'll be damned if ignorant smacktards will be the ones doing it.
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Actually... the French made decisive wins that helped us in the American Revolution, specifically the Battle of Chesapeake. Their naval win made the british surrender at Yorktown possible.
Bull****. The french only stepped in when the battle was already won.
The only significant contribution they had to the war was hiring a PRUSSIAN to help train US troops at Valley Forge.
I've seen this piece of absolutely horrific stupidity being circulated as chain letters before, but this one always pisses me off. I must preface my argument by stating I'm American, but I ****ing know history. America did NOT save France and it was not a tie amongst the Allies vs the Central Powers. Americans had a factor in the war, but only as French soldiers and airmen up until the point America joined the war in 1917 - and the only purpose the American military served was absorbing bullets. THREE YEARS after the fighting had begun. The Lafayette Escadrille, and Americans serving in French regiments, had more effect on the war than the entire American "armed services" did. In WWI, our military was nonexistant and training to get the doughboys into the war was pathetic at best.
Our military DID save France. It saved Britain too. Don't claim you hate people ignorant of history when you are ignorant of it yourself.
Just before US entered, the west campaign was a stalemate. Everything the allies had vs. about 3/5 of what Germany had.
Just before we got there, Russia got it's bellybutton kicked by germany in the east. Germany then tried to train / ship all of the east front soldiers to the west front as quick as possible.
It is a FACT that had America not been there, germany would have easily over run the west lines.
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Whoa! Don't have a cow, man!
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the cold war (or wwIII). we won it alone dragging the shortbus riders known as our "allies" every step of the way.
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An ally no matter it's history, is better than another enemy.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Just before US entered, the west campaign was a stalemate. Everything the allies had vs. about 3/5 of what Germany had.
A stalemate is a never moving line. That was 1914/1915/and some of 1916. Most of 1917 it moved dramatically. American forces arrived in Summer of 1918.
Originally posted by lasersailor184
Just before we got there, Russia got it's bellybutton kicked by germany in the east.
No, it didn't. It had an internal revolution which left much of it's military in disarray. Communism gained it's foothold then.
Originally posted by lasersailor184
Germany then tried to train / ship all of the east front soldiers to the west front as quick as possible.
Some, not all. Russia reached a peace agreement with Germany but German forces remained on the Eastern front.
Originally posted by lasersailor184
It is a FACT that had America not been there, germany would have easily over run the west lines.
The first part of the Sommes offense was entirely British, French, Australian and Canadian. The second part involved 130,000 Americans. Far less than the British or French had in.
Yes, Americans fought and helped. The deciveness they had was simply bullet absorbing bodies on the ground.
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The final push that placed the Allies near the German border late in 1918 would not have been possible without American military might.
The British and French armies, which had fought valiantly for four years, had been bled white. The U.S. military had at it's disposal nearly 5 million men, of which around 1 million were combat troops. U.S. casualties from the summer of 1918 until the armistice totalled more than 300,000 men.
At the current casualty rate, the war in Iraq would have to rage for 300 years to match that total.
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The French Flag?
(http://www.f1.kiev.ua/1997/Notes/Rules/FIA/flag_white.gif)
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Originally posted by KgB
Name one war won by only USA alone please
The Civil War...Mexican-American War....War of 1812...
ack-ack
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we won the mexican american war by ourselves. that was shortly after texas was admitted into the union. 1840s.
I agree bout the civil war thing, no one won in that one.
the spanish american war was all us, late 1890s. led to america being an empire for a short time.
After that, not really. its best to include ur friends in ur victories. it makes them feel better about themselves. however, of our allies, im belive whole heartidly that britain can take care of herself no prob. Japans self defense force is pretty squared away, but they are by no means offensive. maybe germanys still has some killin left in her. who knows, i have a feelin we will find out in a few years.:aok
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Originally posted by z0rch
We had the help of France and Poland.
We also lost this one.
I think Texas helped us with this one. (Back when they were an independent nation, as they should be.)
We did kick Panama's butt when Noriega threatened to snitch out Bush I, and stomped some cuban mercs in Grenada for some reason.
Wow...you really need to brush up on your history. The United States of America won the Civil War. The Conferdate States of America lost the Civil War.
The Spanish-American War was at the turn of the last century past the time that Texas was annexed and made part of the United States during our "Manifest Destiny" period of our country's expansion in the 1800's. And it was against Spain.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by NattyIced
A stalemate is a never moving line. That was 1914/1915/and some of 1916. Most of 1917 it moved dramatically. American forces arrived in Summer of 1918.
No, it didn't. It had an internal revolution which left much of it's military in disarray. Communism gained it's foothold then.
Some, not all. Russia reached a peace agreement with Germany but German forces remained on the Eastern front.
The first part of the Sommes offense was entirely British, French, Australian and Canadian. The second part involved 130,000 Americans. Far less than the British or French had in.
Yes, Americans fought and helped. The deciveness they had was simply bullet absorbing bodies on the ground.
Incredible.
Shuddering bull**** laced with accuracy. The kinda twisted truth I'd expect to hear spouted by an untenured gay economics professor assigined to sub a real history class. Where in hell dija get yer edjumacation, Mr. NattyIced? Commie Martyr U ?
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As long as everyone knows the US wouldn't have won in Afghanistan and against Saddam in War #2 without Danish military might, I'm happy.
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thank god we had the danish with us.
......that middle eastern coffee is just way the hell to bitter without some sweet pastry to kill the aftertaste.
:D
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Hangtime, Natty is just confused, looks like he's thinking of WWI, not WWII.
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.... shhhhhhhh. I'm making an bellybutton of my self....
...don't tell him!
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Originally posted by Shuckins
The final push that placed the Allies near the German border late in 1918 would not have been possible without American military might.
The British and French armies, which had fought valiantly for four years, had been bled white. The U.S. military had at it's disposal nearly 5 million men, of which around 1 million were combat troops. U.S. casualties from the summer of 1918 until the armistice totalled more than 300,000 men.
At the current casualty rate, the war in Iraq would have to rage for 300 years to match that total.
Amusing as it is this continous reposting of the same french military cowardly themes, I know if I would were French - I would find it offensive that some would claim america "saved" france in WW1.
Considering the causalties the french incurred in that war France was still a fighting force in 1918 up to the armistace.
The influx of american soldiers were vital, but they were really were plugs in the line and bullet soakers just like everyone else in the allied armies until late 1918 when the germans exhausted themsleves trying to redress the unbalance the impending american divisions would cause.
American divisions were often used to support experienced Allied units because of the inexperience of the american forces. Companies of american soldiers were attached to australian divisions to gain vital battlefield craft and so "jerry wouldn't have them for breakfast".
eg. The final attacks by the Australian corps on the hindenberg line in october before the final german collapse, the 2 american divisions used to support the main attack were given australian nco's because of they were too green.
Tronsky
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The Complete Battle History of France?
Sighted enemy, retreated from same.
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Originally posted by NattyIced
Yes, Americans fought and helped. The deciveness they had was simply bullet absorbing bodies on the ground.
So your saying General Patton was wrong... That some poor dumb bastard did win a war by dying for his country....
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
The Civil War...Mexican-American War....War of 1812...
ack-ack
If you consider strategic objectives, 1812 was a tie.
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US military victories:
1775-1783: The British crown presents a bill to American settlers who must now pay for their protection. Ungrateful settlers who are
already allergic to taxes go on a rampage and attack tea boxes on a ship; several Americans are wounded in explosions.
Americans win their sole victory in Saratoga when general Burgoyne realizes that Canadian merchants sold him ragweed instead of tea before his departure. Facing a mutiny he decides to surrender.
In the following years Americans will lose most of ther battles due to their lack of discipline and massive desertions. In 1781, 30,000 French soldiers & sailors accept to integrate 11,000 American mascots who
will play music from afar while the French win the Battle of Yorktown.
1812: The American army is crushed trying to invade Canada and abandons annexation plans.
During the 19 the century, several raids are led against Indian women and babies with the US troops achieving some victories, but fail in their effort to ethnically cleanse the Indians. Nevertheless, some sucessful slaughters will lead them to believe that they are mighty and couragous warriors.
1861-1865: Americans win an impressive victory against themselves but it took a while. The Civil War as it comes to be called, will turn out to be the only war Americans ever win. Mind you they beat themselves, but why digress.
1898: The Spanish succeed a master coup and get rid of Cuba, Puerto Rico, and the Philippines at the expense of the Americans,
leaving them the impression that they won the war. Soon the US discovers that there is no oil there, and that their new possessions are
a wastebasket, more than anything else.
1900-1950: A series of military interventions against banana republics in South America and the Caribbean against people armed with slingshots and spears has a beneficial effect on the American ego.
1918: The Americans arrive just on time to see the victory of the French and the British against the Germans. They then turn around, and try to claim the high ground by sabotaging the peace treaty and stabbing France in the back when it tries to enforce reparations and prevent Germany from rearming, thus setting the stage for WWII.
1941-1945: While as many as 20 million Russians die bleeding the Wermacht to death, the US wait until the Germans are left with the Hitler Youth, a childrens' force comprised of 14 year old soldiers to launch their assault. They are still saying today that they suffered heavy loses at their hands. In the whole Normandy Campaign they suffer less casualties than the French did in the first six months of 1940, and inflict less damage on the Germans, yet this is enough for them to claim they liberated Europe. That claim alone is the biggest piece of historical myth in history.
1950-1953: The US fails to beat North Korea, in 1953 the borders are still roughly what they were three years earlier.
1963-1973: Americans suffer cruelly from the lack of AC and marijuana of a poor quality in Vietnam. When they realize that their soldiers
can be killed in a war they retreat.
1983: The combined aviation, navy and ground troops apply an audacious plan and succeed to beat a bunch of cuban workers armed with shovels in Granada. The celebrations go on for weeks with parades and chants of USA, USA.
1991: Americans align more soldiers than the French or the British combined and succeed in crushing an army of barefoot *****e drafted against their will who are armed with empty rifles and have barely had a thing to eat in months. But even this so-called victory is hollow as it is actually led by the Daguet division from France which leads the charge while American soldiers console themselves by rounding up prisoners that TV crews did not want.
2003: Iraq. Need I go on? I think not.
Is it clever ?
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Originally posted by straffo
Is it clever ?
No. More old and tired.
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Sure it is.
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ININININININININ!!!!!
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You know when a young lad of maybe 15 yers of age is matched with a group of 20-25 year old youths? the young lad will be bright eyed and full of beans, telling stories of his own greatness, generally trying to impress the older guys, exagerating everything and anything in his favour, basically making himself feel comfortable amoungts people who clearly have far more 'history' and experience than him.
well right now that little kid is dressed in red, white and blue with stars on.
perhaps when 'the mighty saviours of freedom' finish puberty they might relax a bit more and take all their unwarrented self gatifying, autobiographical 'history' and start living life for what its worth, not for who they've killed/beaten up in the school playground.
here's a thought, imagine Europe was a united continent at the time of the native American's slaughter and had set up some kind of old fashioned UN organisation.......
......wonder what white Americans would have said if the 'UN' had invaded them 'in the name of freedom' to stop the ethnic clensing and return peace and democracy to the few poor saps who were left alive.
Grow up America, you aint fooling anyone.
(my appologies to my many friends from the US, i know that these deluded and blindly patriotic muppets here do not represent 100% of your population)
PS: I've been to france more than 40 times from the age of 2-23. I've had some of the best experiences and met some of the sexiest women, drank the best wine, smoked the cheapest ciggarettes and met the most relaxed and friendly people in France. not to mention the Alps rock for winter sports.
PPS: the English and French had been kicking the watermelon out of each other for hundreds of years before America was even dreamt of with great victories on both sides. more importantly, these wars were fought by sides of similar military force, similar weapons, similar beliefs. We fought for the love of a real war. we didnt just jump on the band wagon at the last minute of someone elses war and then claim victory.
sometimes i wish you blighters had stayed out, even if it meant i would be eating sauseges and wearing speedos on the beach right now.
I'd wager my house that 90% of the French hating delusionists here have not been to France, possibly never left the US.
ok, im done.
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INg time for mp8>
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My dad can beat up your dad
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
here's a thought, imagine Europe was a united continent at the time of the native American's slaughter and had set up some kind of old fashioned UN organisation...
You mean instead of the imperialist countries they were, conquering the Inca, Aztecs, and other peoples, stealing the native treasure, enslaving the native population, spreading disease, supplanting the native religions with Christianity, and the native culture with the superior European virtues?
The Native American's slaughter is not the sole responsibility of the USA. It was going on before the USA became independant and was inside and outside the borders of what was to become the USA.
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'You mean instead of the imperialist countries they were, conquering the Inca, Aztecs, and other peoples, stealing the native treasure, enslaving the native population, spreading disease, supplanting the native religions with Christianity, and the native culture with the superior European virtues?'
yes thats exactly what i mean.
read my words "here's a thought, imagine...."
a hypothetical situation, not a reality.
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So you didn't have a point then... just sort of a "what if you could flap your arms and fly" type of thing.... ok
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do you wish to propose that any hypothetical question is pointless?
again, read my words.....
"....wonder what white Americans would have said...."
thinking outloud i geuss.
hmmm 'thinking'....... now at least i've achieved one more thing than most of the posters in this thread.
bet ya 20 'bucks' this thread gets locked purely because there are now opinions that oppose the ignorant anti-france lines.
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Putting it into the context that included the (IMHO) angry "perhaps when 'the mighty saviours of freedom' finish puberty they might relax a bit more and take all their unwarrented self gatifying, autobiographical 'history' and start living life for what its worth, not for who they've killed/beaten up in the school playground."
Not all hypotheticals, but yes, I would say your rant was pointless. The point of the thread was humor. (old, tired humor, but humor none the less)
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So typical...
I have a real deep respect to Brits (specially them) / Russians / Canadians / USA forces that freed europe (not only us) from the nazis.
Surely not from some poor guys who dishonor themselves with those kind of posts and beliefs (see 1st post). Did they ask there grandpa' about what they lived down there? I'm sure they haven't even a clue...
Re-inventing history is so convenient.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Not all hypotheticals, but yes, I would say your rant was pointless. The point of the thread was humor. (old, tired humor, but humor none the less)
clearly you answer questions to your own agenda, this is not an adequate answer, nea, this is not even an 'answer' to my last posted question.
please do not confuse a strong opinion with anger. It's not like i'm French.
clearly the point of the thread was humour.
unfortunately the ensuing posts were far from humourous, and smacking of the same old tierd bullchit. 'We can say what we like about europeans or any other nation we choose, but I'll be damned if America will be the butt of a joke.'
again, this is the prepubesant amoung an older group defending itself when really it should laugh at itself.
we can go on like this all day, but i would ask you to at least address the questions and statements i post and stop twisting the context with your obviously fantastic mind reading skills.
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Originally posted by straffo
Is it clever ?
yes it is and funny as well
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
do you wish to propose that any hypothetical question is pointless?
Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Not all hypotheticals, but yes, I would say your rant was pointless. The point of the thread was humor. (old, tired humor, but humor none the less)
Originally posted by B@tfinkV
this is not an adequate answer, nea, this is not even an 'answer' to my last posted question.
It looks as though I answered your question quite directly.
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In fairness to the French, they DID kill over 3,000 Americans in North Africa in 1942-- U.S. intelligence had wrongly concluded they would let our troop ships enter various harbors unopposed
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
So you didn't have a point then... just sort of a "what if you could flap your arms and fly" type of thing.... ok
forgive me then, i mistook this statement as implying that a hypothetical question is pointless.
the fact that you only attend to certain parts of my posts leads me to believe you agree with the other things i have said, please correct me if that is unfair to assume.
most notably for me are these two statements that you seem to have either overlooked or agreed with/considered so worthless as to not warrant a reply:
1) "unfortunately the ensuing posts were far from humourous, and smacking of the same old tierd bullchit. 'We can say what we like about europeans or any other nation we choose, but I'll be damned if America will be the butt of a joke.'
again, this is the prepubesant amoung an older group defending itself when really it should laugh at itself."
2)"You know when a young lad of maybe 15 years of age is matched with a group of 20-25 year old youths? the young lad will be bright eyed and full of beans, telling stories of his own greatness, generally trying to impress the older guys, exagerating everything and anything in his favour, basically making himself feel comfortable amoungts people who clearly have far more 'history' and experience than him."
number (2) is what makes my original 'rant' not pointless in my eyes, whilst number (1) is the prompt for my participation in this wholy pathetic 'Ameerika rawks, the rest of you suxx0r!' one motive thread.
that motive being to make fun of someone else and vehemently bite the legs of anyone who throws a punch back.
who like Monty Python? self depreciating humour right there.
alot of people could learn from this. When i make fun of something i try my damndest to make it myself, my beleifs, my country or anything else that can be directly related back to me.
using others as your clown 100% of the time is pure cowardice.
making yourself the clown is rather more comendable, especially if you can make others laugh.
I could write another 5 pages and to some my views will still be 'pointless' in your words, so I'll give up now unless you come up with something worth giving further attention to.
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Batfunk,
You're talking out loud to a wall. Not worth the energy i say...
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Originally posted by Saintaw
Batfunk,
You're talking out loud to a wall. Not worth the energy i say...
I think it's time to put the boot on the other foot. I'm working on it right now - watch this space...
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Nevar foregt teh Grenada.
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Hmmmmm France - You guys all know where I stand in this one so I'll take liberty to type now what will show up later. Helpin you here Mr. S.
#5 and #7
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batfink... I would welcome an invasion of America by the UN... I hope it is led by frenchmen...
lazs
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Texas was a part of the U.S. during the time of the Spanish American War. Also part of the U.S. During the Mexican American War.
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He is speaking of WWI not WWII,btw Lundendorff forgot the 8th Army in the east during the spring offensive so I guess not all german army switched to the west front :)
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yes Virginia, it's true , Europeans hate America.
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Theres a reason why "French Military History" has achieved 'comedy gold' status.
Lets let the French explain it thorughly.
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Originally posted by straffo
He is speaking of WWI not WWII,btw Lundendorff forgot the 8th Army in the east during the spring offensive so I guess not all german army switched to the west front :)
Oh crap.
It' is deleted.
My apologies to everyone.
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Originally posted by john9001
yes Virginia, it's true , Europeans hate America.
True,but it's not only Europeans..whole world:cry
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batfink... I would welcome an invasion of America by the UN... I hope it is led by frenchmen...
Americans would great the invasion with overwhelming force and technology. Every American male from 8 to 80 would be lined up with an M-16, F-22. Laser Guided SAM, Smart Bombs, Submarines and Tactical Nukes.
The French of course, would never show up for the battle.
The American males would then return home to celebrate their victory, and wonder why their now pregnant women have developed a taste for Pernod.
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Originally posted by z0rch
Americans would great the invasion with overwhelming force and technology. Every American male from 8 to 80 would be lined up with an M-16, F-22. Laser Guided SAM, Smart Bombs, Submarines and Tactical Nukes.
The French of course, would never show up for the battle.
The American males would then return home to celebrate their victory, and wonder why their now pregnant women have developed a taste for Pernod.
I bet it would feel a little wierd to "Tacticaly Nuke" your own land:)
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Anybody see Mencia's 'conversation with an Arab' bit?
Arab: 'We are crazy.. you don't know us. We're dangerous. We destroyed two of your towers..."
Mencia: 'Crazy? We'll show yah Crazy.. you took out two of our buildings.. we took out two of your countries. You wanna see how we play the game, call the Japanese. They'll have a guy with three dongs and no testicles tell yah all about how freakin CRAZY we play the game.."
I was gasping... freakin hugely funny; and dead on true.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
Theres a reason why "French Military History" has achieved 'comedy gold' status.
Lets let the French explain it thorughly.
here ... I'm lost (completly:))
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Originally posted by straffo
here ... I'm lost (completly:))
See?
Answer #1... they get 'lost'. (completely) ;)
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Wow, a thread to troll and incite reaction and flamebait.
I'm not sure it's humor, maybe in the "pull my finger" kind of way I guess.
All the originator gets to do is show us how he can pass gas.
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Originally posted by bj229r
Sadly, widespread use of condoms by American forces forestalls any improvement in the French bloodline.
But never fear - The French are always there when they need us!
:aok Classic.
Thread voted "Most Entertaining Of The Year" with a nomination for "Most Comedic Content".
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Stinky bait -- you are what you eat?
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"Newfound"?
Excuse me beetle, i'm going to differ from your expectations.
I was born a foreigner, and was a foreigner in both sides of my family, and every country I visited. So you could say I've always been adoptive, except..
I don't quite see any place on this stupid rock that I'd feel at home in the sense that I'd grow roots as naturaly as its natives, as everywhere I go, 90% of the people I see are more homebred and less traveled than I regardless of social standing or education.
France is home to my birth certificate.. that's it. My homeland is in my shoes or in some chick's bed.
I never trusted your conciliant BS because you always had the same mannerisms as local people who still believe their patch of grass is the only true grass anywhere.. every continental/national/regional/religion's/family's culture on this rock has its little quirky folksy more or less consciously irrational traditions that they refuse to replace with reason, and the nuances of your mannerisms always rung that way to me.
In retrospect, your increasingly flattering, huckster, back bending act and oily trolling fit that gut feeling just right.
Till I find a better one, the US is my current top pick for place I'd place my bet on, not just to live in, but fight for and relate to most.
Euros have this cliche that ameritards find certain values (such as honor, random pick) worth more than earthly posessions such as limbs and blood; to keep a long enumeration of fundamental values short, yes, I do believe the real empirical USA, not the trash it (and every other country, respectively) includes, is what I identify with most.
The things I instinctively believed in since I was small (i.e. as early as kindergarten), which includes fundamental political issues (to my regret, since I'd always recognized politics, and people in large groups in general, are mostly corrupt and disfunctional) are best mirrored in american livelihood.
That should make it easy for you to distortedly quote me as implying it's the only valid or perfect livelihood for homo sapiens sapiens..
I could go on but now that I've typed this far, I don't know why I need to justify anything to you.
I'm not about to reduce myself to redneck or chav or beauf or fascist or any other weak-willed corruption anytime soon..
And to respond to your post verbatum, I meant that Saw and co. had better things to spent time on than play this stupid chauvinistic game, since it's really not about good taste and humor as two-bit comical spam at best, stale cage-rattling tactics otherwise.. if anyone persistant it's your blue-hatted scambaiting.
Piss up a rope, you're one of the last posters here to take moral advice from.
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That's right beet, backpeddle.
Coward.
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Originally posted by moot
"Newfound"?
Excuse me beetle, i'm going to differ from your expectations.
I was born a foreigner, and was a foreigner in both sides of my family, and every country I visited. So you could say I've always been adoptive, except..
I don't quite see any place on this stupid rock that I'd feel at home in the sense that I'd grow roots as naturaly as its natives, as everywhere I go, 90% of the people I see are more homebred and less traveled than I regardless of social standing or education.
France is home to my birth certificate.. that's it. My homeland is in my shoes or in some chick's bed.
I never trusted your conciliant BS because you always had the same mannerisms as local people who still believe their patch of grass is the only true grass anywhere.. every continental/national/regional/religion's/family's culture on this rock has its little quirky folksy more or less consciously irrational traditions that they refuse to replace with reason, and the nuances of your mannerisms always rung that way to me.
In retrospect, your increasingly flattering, huckster, back bending act and oily trolling fit that gut feeling just right.
Till I find a better one, the US is my current top pick for place I'd place my bet on, not just to live in, but fight for and relate to most.
Euros have this cliche that ameritards find certain values (such as honor, random pick) worth more than earthly posessions such as limbs and blood; to keep a long enumeration of fundamental values short, yes, I do believe the real empirical USA, not the trash it (and every other country, respectively) includes, is what I identify with most.
The things I instinctively believed in since I was small (i.e. as early as kindergarten), which includes fundamental political issues (to my regret, since I'd always recognized politics, and people in large groups in general, are mostly corrupt and disfunctional) are best mirrored in american livelihood.
That should make it easy for you to distortedly quote me as implying it's the only valid or perfect livelihood for homo sapiens sapiens..
I could go on but now that I've typed this far, I don't know why I need to justify anything to you.
I'm not about to reduce myself to redneck or chav or beauf or fascist or any other weak-willed corruption anytime soon..
And to respond to your post verbatum, I meant that Saw and co. had better things to spent time on than play this stupid chauvinistic game, since it's really not about good taste and humor as two-bit comical spam at best, stale cage-rattling tactics otherwise.. if anyone persistant it's your blue-hatted scambaiting.
Piss up a rope, you're one of the last posters here to take moral advice from.
Frikkin AWSOME!!
GET some!!
Damn, it was a pure pleasure reading that.. and Moot, you deserve far more American Accolades that a whloe buncha 'natives' that grew up here. You join in my mind the ranks of many, many American residents like Frenchy & Russian that actually GET it.
Thanks.. ya made my day.
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I play a chauvinistic game? Sorry, but am not even french. I usualy am the 1st one to 'pick on' them 'face to face' but to the contrary of most intardnet personas here, I've been there (Other than the local PX). It is usualy my own perception and is mostly in good jest.
I guess all them morons here got to me... should have know better, you had that right.
edit: doesn't quite summ up to how I feel about all this, but it's too late to type more.
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Ya that was snipped from .. french military victories (http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/text/victories.html)
A oldie but goodie.
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"If you consider strategic objectives, 1812 was a tie."
By todays rules would have to have a shoot out now to declare a winner. No more ties.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
thank god we had the danish with us.
:D
Up The Danes!
Up the Danish too. Specially the Cheese Danish:aok
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Originally posted by Hangtime
Anybody see Mencia's 'conversation with an Arab' bit?
Arab: 'We are crazy.. you don't know us. We're dangerous. We destroyed two of your towers..."
Mencia: 'Crazy? We'll show yah Crazy.. you took out two of our buildings.. we took out two of your countries. You wanna see how we play the game, call the Japanese. They'll have a guy with three dongs and no testicles tell yah all about how freakin CRAZY we play the game.."
I was gasping... freakin hugely funny; and dead on true.
yup you do all this and then invade any country that tries to produce similar weapons because you are scared it will happen back to you.
One rule for you and another for anyone else?
Can i just add: I love America, Americans and there is not an ounce of envy or hatred within me for my western cousins.
comments like that of Lasz ("i would welcome europe invading america") are the things that make me wonder.
and it pisses me off that my granfather and many other relatives fought in a huge war only for some sunburnt gun toting nutball to come along and say 'your grandfather fought like a POS, he got his azzz saved by my country'
thats just insulting to the limit.
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Where is Skuzzy?
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Also I wonder... Are people like the original poster actually ignorant of French military history? Or do they just pretend to be ignorant in order to make fun of the French in retaliation to perceived slights?
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
yup you do all this and then invade any country that tries to produce similar weapons because you are scared it will happen back to you.
One rule for you and another for anyone else?
Can i just add: I love America, Americans and there is not an ounce of envy or hatred within me for my western cousins.
comments like that of Lasz ("i would welcome europe invading america") are the things that make me wonder.
and it pisses me off that my granfather and many other relatives fought in a huge war only for some sunburnt gun toting nutball to come along and say 'your grandfather fought like a POS, he got his azzz saved by my country'
thats just insulting to the limit.
LOL! What a nice wide brush YOU paint with! Take the blue pill. Laz said he welcomed a UN invasion. Europe is the UN? I Read the tread twice. Saw no Sunburnt Nutballs saving the world. Or saying yer gramps fought like a POS.. though I would like to know why the brits stopped fer tea on the way to the Rhine.
Lastly.. yea, it's one rule for us; and another for anybody else. That's what your team and ours jointly decided when we formed NATO and got everybodys autographs on a non-proliferation treaty.
...ya thin skinned euorpeeeing panzie.
;)
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Jeezuz frikkin cripes, Ramzey; haul that down. You trying to get the thread closed or have the entire damn o'club locked up? Where in hell's yer brain?
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Ramzey aint' long for this whirl.
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Originally posted by Squire
"If you consider strategic objectives, 1812 was a tie."
By todays rules would have to have a shoot out now to declare a winner. No more ties.
The US remained the US and remained a sovergn nation.
The Brits didnt reabsorb the colonies into their empire
I'd say we won
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Heh, look up Ramzey, the black helo's are moving in for the kill:lol
BTW, the French lost alot of wars. America won alot amongst themselves or against countries like Mexico (which even the French could have defeated).
In the 20th century aint nothing touched America on the battlefield.
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
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One rule for you and another for anyone else?
....
and it pisses me off that my granfather and many other relatives fought in a huge war only for some sunburnt gun toting nutball to come along and say 'your grandfather fought like a POS, he got his azzz saved by my country'
thats just insulting to the limit.
Note... "sunburnt gun toting nutball" is apparently not an insult. otherwise the post would be hypocrisy and that can't be...
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Originally posted by Hangtime
LOL! What a nice wide brush YOU paint with! Take the blue pill. Laz said he welcomed a UN invasion. Europe is the UN? I Read the tread twice. Saw no Sunburnt Nutballs saving the world. Or saying yer gramps fought like a POS.. though I would like to know why the brits stopped fer tea on the way to the Rhine.
Lastly.. yea, it's one rule for us; and another for anybody else. That's what your team and ours jointly decided when we formed NATO and got everybodys autographs on a non-proliferation treaty.
...ya thin skinned euorpeeeing panzie.
;)
just because i have a strong opinion about something do not be so foolish as to assume i am worked up or 'my thin skin' has been perforated.
I grow tierd of debating this subject seeing as, like usual, im trying to protest the worth of football on a basketball court.
PS: to holden his groin: 'sunburnt, gun toting nutball' is what Lazs considers a compliment.
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Originally posted by skernsk
BTW, the French lost alot of wars. America won alot amongst themselves or against countries like Mexico (which even the French could have defeated).
Cough*cinquodemayo*cought:t
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
PS: to holden his groin: 'sunburnt, gun toting nutball' is what Lazs considers a compliment.
see? I knew it couldn't have been an insult.
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Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy
Cough*cinquodemayo*cought:t
Ahhh HA!
Leave it to a Frenchman to point out how utterly ignorant most americans are with regards to the hugely intresting (and always dramatic) history of the OTHER American Democracys..
"The French had landed in Mexico (along with Spanish and English troops) five months earlier on the pretext of collecting Mexican debts from the newly elected government of democratic President (and Indian) Benito Juarez. The English and Spanish quickly made deals and left. The French, however, had different ideas.
Under Emperor Napoleon III, who detested the United States, the French came to stay. They brought a Hapsburg prince with them to rule the new Mexican empire. His name was Maximilian; his wife, Carolota. Napoleon's French Army had not been defeated in 50 years, and it invaded Mexico with the finest modern equipment and with a newly reconstituted Foreign Legion. The French were not afraid of anyone, especially since the United States was embroiled in its own Civil War.
The French Army left the port of Vera Cruz to attack Mexico City to the west, as the French assumed that the Mexicans would give up should their capital fall to the enemy -- as European countries traditionally did.
Union forces were then rushed to the Texas/Mexican border under General Phil Sheridan, who made sure that the Mexicans got all the weapons and ammunition they needed to expel the French. American soldiers were discharged with their uniforms and rifles if they promised to join the Mexican Army to fight the French.
On the 5th of May, 1862, 100 miles east of Mexico City, Texas-born General Zaragosa, (and the cavalry under the command of Colonel Porfirio Diaz, later to be Mexico's president), the Mexicans awaited. Brightly dressed French Dragoons led the enemy columns. Needles to say, the Mexican Army was less stylish.
General Zaragosa ordered Colonel Diaz to take his crack cavalry and attack the French flanks. In response, the French cavalry charged and were promptly butchered by Diaz's better trained and American augmented troop. The remaining French infantrymen charged the Mexican defenders but were chopped up rather briskly by the weather and a few hundred head of stampeding cattle stirred up by Indians, who didn't seem to much like the French either.
When the battle was over, the French were far fewer and without cavalry. The Mexicans had won a great victory which in no small part kept Napoleon III from supplying the Confederate Army for another year and eliminating the threat of a military alliance between a French Mexico and the CSA 14 months before the battle of Gettyburg. "
Thanks, Frenchy. ;)
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Originally posted by lazs2
batfink... I would welcome an invasion of America by the UN... I hope it is led by frenchmen...
lazs
Oh I can see the headlines now.
"French led UN Forces Defeated by Drunken Rednecks" LMAO
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Camerone !
oops sorry ,it's what happen when you have former légionaires in your familly :D
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The French 'Alamo'. Capt. Danjou's 60 vs 2,000 mexicans. They refused surrender 4 times.. and when down to just six men and out of ammunition; they fixed bayonets and charged. Incredible story of heroism and the core event for the Legend of the Legionnaires.
"Mes enfants! I command you now. We may die, but never will surrender."
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Oops, Im sorry, were we taking any part of this silly thread seriously?
My bad :rolleyes:
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I guess one's knee jerks stronger when not paying it attention..
Hang, I just want to go shooting as soon as I'm outta here :D
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What a suprise Hangtime sides with the French.
Explains alot.
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I thought legionaires were mercenary foreign troops?
lazs
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Mighty1, Courage and Heroisim is not an American Exclusive. Even the French have managed an occasional moment of military glory.
...but then, you knew that.
;)
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Originally posted by lazs2
I thought legionaires were mercenary foreign troops?
lazs
Don't ever say to a légionnaire he is a mercenary , he would be pretty pissed
see membership in this page : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Foreign_Legion
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I know one of those, born Italian.. his appartment's full of fake heartwarming memorabilia.. the back room has all the guns and knives and plastic.. his triple locked front door's inside doorknob comes off unless you know the trick to it.
Totally crooked, now he's a GIGN.
He takes the prize for slickest, most deceitfully cunning, most human animal, baddest badass I've ever seen, in the flesh, in ink or on screen.. nothing quite like the real deal, I guess.
50 tons of savage potency under a 5mm layer of discipline.
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I'm just posting here to state that I love the French! (women!) :aok
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Originally posted by moot
I know one of those, born Italian.. his appartment's full of fake heartwarming memorabilia.. the back room has all the guns and knives and plastic.. his triple locked front door's inside doorknob comes off unless you know the trick to it.
Totally crooked, now he's a GIGN.
He takes the prize for slickest, most deceitfully cunning, most human animal, baddest badass I've ever seen, in the flesh, in ink or on screen.. nothing quite like the real deal, I guess.
50 tons of savage potency under a 5mm layer of discipline.
Invited you up for a glass of red wine, did he? ;) "Say, is that a pistol I dropped over there in the corner, could you bend over and pick it up for me, Moot?" ;)
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
I'm just posting here to state that I love the French! (women!) :aok
fat wife problem?
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Originally posted by ramzey
fat wife problem?
She's french and irish...(http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/images/smilies/iono.gif)
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Rip I'm afraid he gets off more on spilt guts and raw bone than spilt bone and... raw guts? You get the idea.
He did have one chick he had over for the afternoon do the dishes and tell him about some random interesting fact to set her ***** on fire with a zippo while she had her back turned :lol
Aside all the doubts I have about seeing thru the endless layers of deception he makes up 24/7, one thing I'm willing to be sure of is that living more than a moment away from death to defy it is the only pain he knows.
Meeting him and seeing a relative I cared for for 4 months die a few feet in front of me erased any doubts I had about life being nothing more than a deferment.
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Originally posted by moot
Meeting him and seeing a relative I cared for for 4 months die a few feet in front of me erased any doubts I had about life being nothing more than a deferment.
The one thing most people refuse to accept about life is that nobody gets out alive.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
The one thing most people refuse to accept about life is that nobody gets out alive.
Try promising them 40 virgins? Seems to increase the entusiasm for death quite a bit with some people.
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Blood bath on earth ... blood bath in heaven. Dam those people.
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lol, that's funnay! /|\
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Originally posted by NattyIced
I've seen this piece of absolutely horrific stupidity being circulated as chain letters before, but this one always pisses me off. I must preface my argument by stating I'm American, but I ****ing know history. America did NOT save France and it was not a tie amongst the Allies vs the Central Powers. Americans had a factor in the war, but only as French soldiers and airmen up until the point America joined the war in 1917 - and the only purpose the American military served was absorbing bullets. THREE YEARS after the fighting had begun. The Lafayette Escadrille, and Americans serving in French regiments, had more effect on the war than the entire American "armed services" did. In WWI, our military was nonexistant and training to get the doughboys into the war was pathetic at best.
Giving the French **** might be fun, but I'll be damned if ignorant smacktards will be the ones doing it.
I agree completely. The WWI statement really irks me too. The British and the French were in a battle of attrition against the Germans that would leave only one winner.
The only impotus the American entry to the war created was to spurn the Germans into making a last gasp attempt to win the war through offensive actions, which they failed and inevitably led to surrender.
The US military was learning lessons most of the time they were in WWI and using French/British equipment.
The British were fighting in a foreign land to liberate France from the outset in 1914 and suffered the best part of a million casualties in the process, yet you dont hear them scream "WE SAVED FRANCE!!!!!!"
The French fought as hard as any other combatant in the first world war. To say that they were saved is disrespectful to all those war dead.
Military casualties in WWI: -
Belgium 45,550
British Empire 942,135
France 1,368,000
Greece 23,098
Italy 680,000
Japan 1,344
Montenegro 3,000
Portugal 8,145
Romania 300,000
Russia 1,700,000
Serbia 45,000
United States 116,516
Austria-Hungary 1,200,000
Bulgaria 87,495
Germany 1,935,000
Ottoman Empire 725,000
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Originally posted by Ouaibe
So typical...
I have a real deep respect to Brits (specially them) / Russians / Canadians / USA forces that freed europe (not only us) from the nazis.
Surely not from some poor guys who dishonor themselves with those kind of posts and beliefs (see 1st post). Did they ask there grandpa' about what they lived down there? I'm sure they haven't even a clue...
Re-inventing history is so convenient.
It's sad this post got lost in all the crap.
ack-ack
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accept
No turning back once you do, and nothing to regret either.
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The US military was learning lessons most of the time they were in WWI and using French/British equipment.
We had superb rifles.. the 1903 Springfield and the 1917 Enfield (American Made) were not anything to sneeze at. The cruddy POS Chauchat the French issued to American units couldn't hold a candle to the BAR.. which made it's debut in France in WWI. Also.. the Lewis Gun, an American weapon was the finest of it's type in use at the time and was used extensively n by the British and French.
The French fought as hard as any other combatant in the first world war. To say that they were saved is disrespectful to all those war dead.
Horsecrap. The French Army MUNTIED! If not for the BRITISH, CANADIANS and ANZACS it would have been over RIGHT THEN!
To say or even infer that Americans did nothing more than 'absorb bullets' is pure horsecrap.. and our units never 'mutnied' or refused to go over the top. EVER.. like the entire freakin French Army did. Here's a freakin FACT for you obnoxious ungrateful Frogs and Limeys.. American blood, spilled in France INSURED an Allied Victory. While you miserable salamanders stand around drinking tea and wine an congragulating each other on YOUR victory remember just whose Navy guarded the convoys of food and war material we shipped over there , who's Merchant Marine manned those ships and died by the hundreds getting it there, who's Army came to your aid and 'absorbed' HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of German bullets during YOUR time of need.
REMEMBER BELLEAU WOOD! And remember the MEN that stopped that last German Offensive, men that fought on beyond all reason, men that refused surrender, men that fought in a forigen land for YOUR security and freedom ... you miserable salamanders!
'nothing more than absorb bullets', my ass!
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Originally posted by Hangtime
REMEMBER BELLEAU WOOD!
Hard to forget, after seeing the movie about how Ricyy Schroder won WW1. ;)
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Originally posted by skernsk
BTW, the French lost alot of wars. America won alot amongst themselves or against countries like Mexico (which even the French could have defeated).
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Originally posted by Frenchy
Cough*cinquodemayo*cought
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I do find it funny though that the US celebrates Cinco de Mayo as a quasi-holiday while in Mexico it's just basically another normal day.
ack-ack
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in WW1 the germans ,english, french, etc did not know how to fight a modern war, they used human wave attacks against machine guns.
thats why the war was a stalemate and had huge casualties.
they needed the americans to come over and show them how to fight and win(us marines-belleauwood),(sgt. york, who was a pacifist).
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Originally posted by john9001
in WW1 the germans ,english, french, etc did not know how to fight a modern war, they used human wave attacks against machine guns.
thats why the war was a stalemate and had huge casualties.
they needed the americans to come over and show them how to fight and win(us marines-belleauwood),(sgt. york, who was a pacifist).
Hrmmm...we showed americans how to fight...america saved ww1....that means Australia saved america??
WOOHOOO... we won ww1 all on our own!!!!
You may now all form an orderly que and show homage to Australia :aok
(except all those from New Zealand, Britain, Canada, and France...you were already there with us)
Tronsky
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I like how folks just see what they wanna see, Right Tronsky??
Horsecrap. The French Army MUTINED! If not for the BRITISH, CANADIANS and ANZACS it would have been over RIGHT THEN!
Pfffft.. one kid chimes in with a 'me too' and yer on THAT like stink on ****.
Typical.
Your boys spent themselves uselessly at Gallipoli, didn't they? In what was basicaly a 'rifle war', the Turks proved your equals; did they not? What did THEY 'teach' you? Enh? How about 'Well, a buncha towlies taught us how to NOT win a war..."
Henh.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
Your boys spent themselves uselessly at Gallipoli, didn't they?
Naw, Churchill spent them uselessly. Curchill = Hitler!!....uh wait a second.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Bull****. The french only stepped in when the battle was already won.
The only significant contribution they had to the war was hiring a PRUSSIAN to help train US troops at Valley Forge.
Our military DID save France. It saved Britain too. Don't claim you hate people ignorant of history when you are ignorant of it yourself.
Just before US entered, the west campaign was a stalemate. Everything the allies had vs. about 3/5 of what Germany had.
Just before we got there, Russia got it's bellybutton kicked by germany in the east. Germany then tried to train / ship all of the east front soldiers to the west front as quick as possible.
It is a FACT that had America not been there, germany would have easily over run the west lines.
Good thing yer going to be an Engineer. Now leave the History to those "who know" please. France was helping us for the majority of the Revolution (Volunteers, supplies, etc.).
Poland was also a big supporter of the American Revolution.
Casimir (Count) Pulaski arrived in America on July 23 1777, and applied to the Congress for commission, requesting to be placed under direct command of General Washington. In September, he took temporary command of Washington's Cavalry Detachment and saved military supplies by repulsing British attack at Brandywine. Congress commissioned Pulaski Brigadier General and gave him command of four Light Calvary Regiments. He distinguished himself at the Battle of Germantown.
In the winter of 1777-78 at Valley Forge, he reorganized his Cavalry Corps and issued service regulations for the Cavalry. In February, 1778, with Washington's endorsement, he submitted his plan to Congress and the War Department and with the authorization of Congress he formed the Independent Corps (later to be known as the Pulaski Legion.) He fought several skirmishes at Egg Harbor. Mortally wounded during the attack on British forces in Savannah, Pulaski died aboard the American Brig Wasp.
Karaya
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Originally posted by Hangtime
I like how folks just see what they wanna see, Right Tronsky??
Pfffft.. one kid chimes in with a 'me too' and yer on THAT like stink on ****.
Typical.
Your boys spent themselves uselessly at Gallipoli, didn't they? In what was basicaly a 'rifle war', the Turks proved your equals; did they not? What did THEY 'teach' you? Enh? How about 'Well, a buncha towlies taught us how to NOT win a war..."
Henh.
The 8th Army drove Rommel out of Africa and Liberated Italy (but the Polish Troops were sent to be slaughtered at Cassino). Read a great book on them last year. I cannot sling the 8th Army around, they were some of the most Stubborn MotherFu*kers in WWII.
I realize you are talking about WW1
Karaya
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
In September, he took temporary command of Washington's Cavalry Detachment and saved military supplies by repulsing British attack at Brandywine.
Thus allowing the four Hobbits to reach the ferry. And the rest, as they say, is history.
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Originally posted by Thrawn
Thus allowing the four Hobbits to reach the ferry. And the rest, as they say, is history.
Truth hurts eh? Now how about the Polish not being invited to the "Victory Parade in London in 1946"?
Karaya
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Truth hurts eh? Now how about the Polish not being invited to the "Victory Parade in London in 1946"?
Karaya
Bah, they where busy on a "date" after Chuchill pimped them them to the commies.
...again with the Churchill being evil!
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Originally posted by Thrawn
Bah, they where busy on a "date" after Chuchill pimped them them to the commies.
...again with the Churchill being evil!
Wrong. Most of the 303 Squadron attended the parade anyway. I mean, they were at first scorned by the British, but after they accumulated the most kills in the RAF, they were embraced. You can take the hook out now Thrawn.
Karaya
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And after the War, members of Free Polish military units were denied emigration or citizenship rights in England and were deported to Poland. Where a fair number of them were imprisoned by the communist regime.
Churchill again?
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Seen on a t-shirt in 1917;
We Saved Europe's bellybutton and All We Got Was the Spanish Flu.
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Originally posted by Thrawn
Bah, they where busy on a "date" after Chuchill pimped them them to the commies.
...again with the Churchill being evil!
not Churchil, Roosevelt in Teheran
And after the War, members of Free Polish military units were denied emigration or citizenship rights in England and were deported to Poland. Where a fair number of them were imprisoned by the communist regime.
Churchill again?
US denied to welcome foregin east europe allied troops to settle in US.
Som get choice to work on the fields of Canada, som stay in GB , som choose south america and africa.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
B-, just average.
PS : the Chauchat is not a rifle.
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While we may have learned a little something in Europe in WWI, it would be folly to assume that the Nation that had just 30 years prior to WWI gone through the bloodiest war yet in history, had 10 years prior kicked the Spanish Empire into the history books and was busily dashing about the pacific and south america building a credible lil empire of it's own was incompetent on the battlefield.
PS : the Chauchat is not a rifle
It wasn't even a good boat anchor. The BAR on the other hand was (and still is) a superb rifle, the first Squad Automatic Weapon, designed by an American named Browning. When it arrived on the Battlefield the world took notice... and then we showed you yuropeeeans how to advance on contested ground via 'fire and manuver'...
...and settled once and for all the debate about there being no place to hide from Americans carrying .30 caliber auto loading battle rifles. The BAR lead to the Garand and it's adoption my the US Army in 1936.. and while America may have found itself in the next war without a decent tank or a competitive air force, our infantry stepped into battle with the most fearsome and effective rifles, machine guns and artillery on the planet.
WWI also taught us something else... we'd never willingly place our troops under foreign command or put them in the field with foreign equipment again.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
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Originally posted by Hangtime
WWI also taught us something else... we'd never willingly place our troops under foreign command or put them in the field with foreign equipment again.
Apart from the invasion of Iraq in 2003 where your marines invading the southern coast of Iraq were under the command of the Royal Marines.
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^^ is that Nielsen's daddy?
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Originally posted by Hangtime
WWI also taught us something else... we'd never willingly place our troops under foreign command or put them in the field with foreign equipment again.
Well you speak of the Chauchat but forgot the 75mm gun , the Nieuport the SPAD etc
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Originally posted by Hangtime
I like how folks just see what they wanna see, Right Tronsky??
Pfffft.. one kid chimes in with a 'me too' and yer on THAT like stink on ****.
Typical.
Your boys spent themselves uselessly at Gallipoli, didn't they? In what was basicaly a 'rifle war', the Turks proved your equals; did they not? What did THEY 'teach' you? Enh? How about 'Well, a buncha towlies taught us how to NOT win a war..."
Henh.
Ahh but see I'd already posted earlier kemosabe about our glorious diggers fighting for King and Country with you yanks...as for Gallipoli we held against Johnny Turk in trench warfare - a tough fighter on his own turf while they held the high ground...and they never pushed off those bloody cliffs until we were told to withdraw.
And then our blokes gave the Hun something to think about when sent to France, while the Light Horse gave the Turks a hiding in Egypt...you yanks were assigned to our diggers because we were the best - no use your lot being hammered just before the war ended eh? :aok
Originally posted by Thrawn
Naw, Churchill spent them uselessly. Curchill = Hitler!!....uh wait a second.
Churchill that fat bastard had a habit of using up our blokes like that...in both wars!
Tronsky
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Originally posted by ramzey
not Churchil, Roosevelt in Teheran
US denied to welcome foregin east europe allied troops to settle in US.
Som get choice to work on the fields of Canada, som stay in GB , som choose south america and africa.
Again, both Roosevelt and Churchill never told the Exiled Polish Government of their plans for Stalin. "They wanted them to still fight with resolve."
Karaya
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Gentlemen, you need to do some serious reading and research on WWI before making statements that Americans had no affect on the War or outcome.
The fact of the matter is that both sides had fought a bloody war of attrition from 1914 to 1917. The French Army did mutiny and only with Petain stepping in and instituting reforms, switching strategic doctrines from the offensive to the defensive and quite a few other things was the French Army reconstituted and made capable of fighting again.
The French provided the larger amount of troops on the western front. The British and other nationalities played a key part but if the French Army had disintegrated (which was arguably a near thing during the mutinees) they would not have been able to hold the western front on their own.
The Germans were also exhausted but were in better shape than the French Army. Also remember they were fighting a two front war. When the Russians bowed out they were able to take all those troops and shift them to the west. They actually launched an offensive that did seriously breach the allied front but while tactically successful had no plan to exploit it strategically.
What the Americans added were fresh troops on the allied side who while had no combat experience in this type of warfare (neither did the French or British or Germans in the beginning) add significantly to the allied side. Every day more and more Americans came over.
The Germans recognized it was a numbers game at this point. They and their allies and the French, British and their allies were exhausted. American presented a very clear threat of a new non-exhausted large man power pool to the allied side. This is why when the Russians pulled out the Germans knew they had to launch an offensive to try to force France out of the war before the Americans showed up in strength.
It was a war of attrition and allies (British and French had no more serious man power reserves ) got the fresh resources of America. German had no more reserves to pull on (no new country coming to their side).
So America did not save France but America tipped the balance. Without the U.S. coming in you can debate the outcome of the war. The French morale already cracked (the mutinees and collapse of ruling parties, etc.), the German moral was still intact. So it would have been a case of what country finally collapsed or cracked first. France might have held it together but Petain wanted to stay on the defensive and let the Germans exhaust themselves in attacks. He was eventually overruled and the French again launched extremely costly and offensive operations with as much success as before.
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I hate to break this to some of y'all... but countries with a history of war always have quite a few defeats to go along with their victories, and most had the best something or other at some point in time.
Custer tried to defend the bottom of a hole.
The Brits sent an army, with some more units picked up from their new American colonies, against the French & Indians.. and were decimated.
After gaining independence, America attempted the same movement, and aside from building some forts, met the exact same fate as the British.
A Brit infantry square was broken by sword wielding dervishes in Egypt.
The Charge of the Light Brigade didn't make it very far.
The Maginot Line... which, technically, worked as intended, cost the French their country and thousands of british lives.
The Spanish lost their Armada.
The French were driven out of Haiti by an army of their ex-slaves.
The Brits lost an entire army, the baggage train, and all their hanger-on's retreating from Asia back to the Middle East. The survivors you could count on 1 hand.
The Mexicans lost Texas because their general decided to take a nap and didn't properly deploy sentries. 3 minutes later his command was destroyed, most of his officers were dead, and he was running to go hide naked in a well.
The British had to use concentration camps to defeat the Boers.
America politicans tried to run the Vietnam conflict.. and well.. we see what happened there.
The Clinton era deployments were riddled with problems, and ended up giving us the movie Blackhawk Down and grainy pics of a shotdown F-117.
With the right leadership and the right tactics, anybody can beat anybody at any given time. Unfortunately, the best, brightest, bravest, and most honest rarely make it into positions were they can make a difference.
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Originally posted by ghostdancer
Gentlemen, you need to do some serious reading and research on WWI before making statements that Americans had no affect on the War or outcome.
I never intended to say that , but more like you said tipped the balance.
As usual truth is between black and white.