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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: KTM520guy on March 13, 2006, 09:33:10 PM
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First off let me say I totally suck in fighters.
A lot of people on this board and on ch.200 ***** and moan about the head on attack. So whats the problem? Isn't the point to kill the enemy? I for one feel that if a red guy is in my sights, I'm going to shoot. I'm not saying I'm a HO supporter or any thing since ,for me, a HO is a first class ticket back to the tower. Don't pass GO, don't collect $200. If I avoid the other guys HO I get to live an extra 5 or 10 secsonds.
:noid
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I HO every chance I get. Most guys cry because they can't handle the fact that they lost.
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Actually SuperDud describes it fairly accurately in AH. Most folks HO if their lives really depended on it. And it is just the way it goes.
What can be frustrating at times is when that's all the other guy does. If you are tucked into a big furball you are going to be shooting at anything that moves.
It's the times where you run into a guy 1 v 1 and he comes blazing in nose to nose shooting from a 100 miles away. Most times you can duck out of the way, but when the F4U1C drivers do it or the Hurr IIc guys or even the LA guys with the cannons, and they get that lucky hit, it is a quick trip back to the tower.
I still choose not to shoot HO unless the other guy unloads on me first, which is my mistake. Of course I have an express ticket to the tower more then most so I'm used to it :)
Don't listen to the whines. That too is the nature of 200 in AH.
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Total Bull! You want to go around going for the HO everytime? You are ruining the gameplay of others and wasting the playing time of others. I can dodge almost every HO so they don't bother me, but to see a guy do nothing but go for the HO everypass is really pathetic. Someone could be nice and teach the guy how to manuver on a planes 6. If you want to get good at dogfighting, you will learn to fight instead of HO. In AH, the HO shot is a skilless, pathetic, cowardly way to earn kills. If you post what this guy post it only shows the level you have reached so far. By all means try and graduate to actual dogfighting! :aok
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Can't say I don't like HoING either.....if I'm going head on into multi cons, yeah I'll be a Ho. Sometimes I get shot down....sometimes I enjoy his/her sweet red mist on my cockpit. Fair Trade.:t
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Well...
If your little plane passes the little red dot in my sight... I shoot.
I could give two poops what direction you were pointed when I pulled the trigger. If you were pointing at me then you should just feel stupid for waiting.
I don't deliberately set up HO, but if you think you get a free pass just because your propeller (and guns) are pointed in my direction then I'm afraid you're nucking futs. Because if you think I'm gonna hesitate to find out if you're 'honorable'... well, then you're even more nucking futs.
And that goes double for preachers like ColdKill who act like they would never ever ever shoot the front of a bad airplane... talk about Total Bull... HA.
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I HO when needed. I try to avoid it because it's "fair" and I don't like fighting fair.
If I have a more durable aircraft and bigger guns I'll probably try for a HO, especially if it's a Co-Alt fight and his aircraft is a superior turner.
Usually when you're BnZing a co-alt aircraft all you get are HOs and I don't like running from fights at least not for long. Zoom out get enough distance to actually get my guns on the plane before he shoots at me -- fire HO, zoom, repeat.
If we're in similiar planes at a similiar alt usually I don't go for the HO and instead go for more separation to attempt to bleed some of the nmes E if he tries to HO me.
I'd rather have a fun fight than a quick easy kill but if forced into a HO situation or someone makes a mistake that gives me a clean HO I take it. If outnumbered I will almost always HO to hopefully even the odds a bit, if one of us isn't dead I will then usually dive and 'extend' sometimes all the way back to friendly flak:P.
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KTM520guy, and Kurt.
I used to feel the same way you do now "If its in my gunsights Im gonna fire"
Problem is you dont get any better by always going for the HO. You just dont learn anything from it.
And often if you concentrate on the HO against a good pilot who manages to avoid it it more often then not will spell your doom.
Want to become a better dogfighter? Concentrate on NOT going for the HO but instead in that time you normally would be trying to aim. Think about your next move instead. More often then not at that very moment when you would normally be firing in the HO, You should be starting your manuver for position. Typically whoever gets the best position in a fight first, wins. Or forces the other guy to run for cover.
Ever go for the HO, miss and then wonder how that guy managed to turn on you so fast and shoot you dowhn afterwards?
Thats becaus while you were concentrating on shooting that HO shot, He was thinking two moves ahead of you. You missed because he already started his next move while you were busy boring straight ahead and shooting. Now you;ve blown past him and while your just starting your first move. He is already on his second, which is often placing him on your 6. Now you have to go from offence, to defence.
While many say HO is a perfectly legitimate tactic. in a 1 V 1 fight or where the odds are heavily in your favor numberswise. Its just a plain lame way to play.
Now if your the one grossly outnumbered then IMO its understandable why one would HO. Typically though, no matter what I only go for the HO when someone tries HOing me first. The only exeptions to that are when shooting at a 262 or against bomber formations or when being vulched taking off.
As the norm though I've learned its better not to HO and I have little respect for those that do.
Finally if you look at what can happen and often does happen during an HO you might see its not the vey best of moves.
1 You HO and win. Ok 1 point for the HO
2 You HO and loose 1 point against the HO
3 You HO and collide Which judging from the amount of complaints about collisions happens quite a bit 1 point against the HO
4 You HO against a decent pilot, miss and end up with him on your 6 1 point against the HO
5 You HO and win. But did you learn anything? did you get any better against those who can avoid and kill you? No. So even in this situation you won, but you also lost the chance to learn something. 0 points
So while the HO in some peoples opinion my very well be a valid tactic. Its just not the best of moves. Too many bad things can happen.
Just from my own experiance I found that by not going for the HO I got far better, faster then when I was going for it all the time.
It taught me to think ahead. Not just what I was going to do next. but 2-3 moves ahead of time. Instead of boring in on a target and blowing past him I found myself moving for position and winning more fights.
Now Im not going to claim Im one of the best sticks here. But I know Im not the worst and feel I can now at least hold my own with just about anyone.
I couldnt say that with any kind of confidence when I was an HO artist.
Finally. you will see alot of the better pilots holding in contempt those who HO because most of them look forward to the fight, the manuver for position. Thats what they enjoy and how they keep their skills sharp.
You REALLY want to get better at this sim. Do your best NOT to go for the HO unless absolutely necessary when heavily outnumbered.
Yea, you will die alot at first. But eventually you will get better. And eventually you will see you dont need the HO. And eventually you wont even want to.
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HOing is totaly lame on the first pass.
after the first merge and the fight is 'on' its just kinda weak.....
......and more importantly, stupid; If someone has their guns pointed at you, why are you holding still trying to aim, why are you not working on avoiding those guns and reversing to a possition where you have guns on and the enema doesnt?
HO'ing is for 2 week newbs and 'vets' that never got past the 2 week newb skill level.
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I agree with DREDIOCK, but the problem I have is when I am about to setup a move the enemy is 1.5k out I see tracers flying at me and then sipping coffee in the tower. My fave is "(so an so) has colided with you" next line "(so an so) shot you down.... HUHHHHH lol oh well its all fun though
:D
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IMO, the first merge can be cold only if the duel is 1vs1 with no other enemy cons inb. In any other situation if you get shot down by an HOer its your fault.
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This is a game that lets people pit their skills against other's. We pay money to be able to test our mettle against virtual pilots from all over the world. We want to duke it out, and push the limit of our talent in flying and see if we come out the best. This is true; this is the purpose of AH. It's not the historical value, its not the befriending ppl from other countries over the net, or anything else, we play AH to fly and FIGHT.
With that in mind, why ho? Why do you want to waste the opportunity to fight? You're wasting the money you pay to play this game by taking the cheap way out of the fight, in addition, your wasting the money of the dude your ho'ing too. If you don't want to promote good fights in this game, better just leave and save everyone else the hassle.
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Originally posted by Naytch
This is a game that lets people pit their skills against other's. We pay money to be able to test our mettle against virtual pilots from all over the world. We want to duke it out, and push the limit of our talent in flying and see if we come out the best. This is true; this is the purpose of AH. It's not the historical value, its not the befriending ppl from other countries over the net, or anything else, we play AH to fly and FIGHT.
That is your take on it. Mine is to do whatever nessicary to win the war. If that involves HOing your sorry butt, then so be it.
Originally posted by Naytch
With that in mind, why ho? Why do you want to waste the opportunity to fight? You're wasting the money you pay to play this game by taking the cheap way out of the fight, in addition, your wasting the money of the dude your ho'ing too. If you don't want to promote good fights in this game, better just leave and save everyone else the hassle.
So we should play how you think we should or leave huh? I'm so upset that I might be wasting your money that I might cry.
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Originally posted by Guppy35
Actually SuperDud describes it fairly accurately in AH. Most folks HO if their lives really depended on it. And it is just the way it goes.
What can be frustrating at times is when that's all the other guy does. If you are tucked into a big furball you are going to be shooting at anything that moves.
It's the times where you run into a guy 1 v 1 and he comes blazing in nose to nose shooting from a 100 miles away. Most times you can duck out of the way, but when the F4U1C drivers do it or the Hurr IIc guys or even the LA guys with the cannons, and they get that lucky hit, it is a quick trip back to the tower.
I still choose not to shoot HO unless the other guy unloads on me first, which is my mistake. Of course I have an express ticket to the tower more then most so I'm used to it :)
Don't listen to the whines. That too is the nature of 200 in AH.
Well said on the ever so controversial back by popular demand HO thread. I think the big issue here is that some players forget it’s a game. For some Aces High is their real world ala virtual escape. Heaven’s forbid it’s not 100% real. Everyone plays for his or her own reasons. I play for FUN. For all the whiners out there – HiTech can change the physics of the game – Day / Night, Damage, etc but he can’t control a player’s actions. I expect to get HOed in an aircraft the same way I expect to get bombed in my GVs. I expect it because I’m playing a game and it’s just a GAME. If you don’t want to get HOed go evasive at the appropriate time – separate – and reevaluate the situation. Some players just go around and shoot at anything they can anyway they came – why? Maybe they don’t have the time to spend all day, all week, all month playing to improve their fighter skills like some of the "Oh so critical" fighter jock demagogues out there. Maybe it’s their way of having fun – they’re entitled to have fun aren’t they? After all – it’s not real, it’s just a game, isn’t it?. Funny - I never heard any GVers cry about HOing, we HO in GVs all the time :aok . Now remember, next time you try to HO me in my Osti and lose – no whining – but I promise I’ll make a foremost effort to avoid you.
Question - Yes or No to the "I never HO crowd" - Would you HO a poor defenseless C47 about to drop troops on the town thus saving your base or would you maneuver around to the "Dogfighter Politically Correct" 6 clock position of the C47, score the kill, but lose the base because the goon had enough time to drop troops? Yes or No :D
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Originally posted by SuperDud
So we should play how you think we should or leave huh? I'm so upset that I might be wasting your money that I might cry.
Play the way I think? Now your just putting words in my mouth. Read it carefully. Dude, we play the game to fight, if you don't wanna fight, what's the point?
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Shooting other cartoon airplanes in the face makes me giggle.
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
KTM520guy, and Kurt.
I used to feel the same way you do now "If its in my gunsights Im gonna fire"
Problem is you dont get any better by always going for the HO. You just dont learn anything from it.
Wow, is that what I said? I said I always go for the HO? hmmm
I guess on the alternate universe version of this board that is what translated, but here on Earth I didn't say anything even remotely like that.
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Originally posted by Naytch
Why do you want to waste the opportunity to fight? You're wasting the money you pay to play this game by taking the cheap way out of the fight,
That's YOUR opinion.
in addition, your wasting the money of the dude your ho'ing too.
Once again, YOUR opinion.
If you don't want to promote good fights in this game, better just leave and save everyone else the hassle.
Who, exactly, are you to dictate how others should spend their time in this "game"?
We've all seen the pretty ACM pictures showing the "merge". It's always two planes coming right at each other. Along with that goes the concept of vertical and/or horizontal seperation.
If you decide to stay in the 12 o'clock position of the enemy fighter, shame on you. You gambled and you may have lost.
The most obvious and logical option would be to not position yourself for a potential HO. So maybe by allowing the opportunity for a HO to occur, YOU are not promoting "good fights".
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a nice mix of bs and trolling...
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BLAH BLAH BLAH....Yadda, Yadda, Yadda......
Same song and dance...IT'S A GAME FOLKS!!!!!!WE all pay our 14.95 to HTC, we all play to his or her own talents. Some GV, some dogfight, some bomb, some try a little of everything (and excell in nothing..LOL).
The simple fact is that we are PLAYING A GAME!!!
HOing gets agrevating, sure, but so does getting your a@@ waxed everytime in a dogfight, or your turret shot out by a single 30MM from a Huri.
If you don't like the game play....then don't play:o
Also, don't criticize someone elses play because it doesn't fit YOUR style of play.
I get aggrevated all the time, just like everyone else, but I'm not going to tell YOU how YOU should play the game.
Also, alot of the people that whine on 200 have WAY too much caffine in their diet and should really consider decaff...:)
"Not a surmun...Just a thought"
NAVCAD
p.s. OK uncap the guns....ready for the inevitable backlash...LMFAO
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Originally posted by NAVCAD
BLAH BLAH BLAH....Yadda, Yadda, Yadda......
Same song and dance...IT'S A GAME FOLKS!!!!!!WE all pay our 14.95 to HTC, we all play to his or her own talents. Some GV, some dogfight, some bomb, some try a little of everything (and excell in nothing..LOL).
The simple fact is that we are PLAYING A GAME!!!
HOing gets agrevating, sure, but so does getting your a@@ waxed everytime in a dogfight, or your turret shot out by a single 30MM from a Huri.
If you don't like the game play....then don't play:o
Also, don't criticize someone elses play because it doesn't fit YOUR style of play.
I get aggrevated all the time, just like everyone else, but I'm not going to tell YOU how YOU should play the game.
Also, alot of the people that whine on 200 have WAY too much caffine in their diet and should really consider decaff...:)
"Not a surmun...Just a thought"
NAVCAD
p.s. OK uncap the guns....ready for the inevitable backlash...LMFAO
:aok I got your wing NAV!
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This pretty much sums it all up regarding HO's.
HO's are the absolute greatest and make me laugh, when I win. :rofl
They absolutely suck and the other player is a noskill dweeb, when I lose. :furious
It's your $14.95. Play how you like and forget the notion that this is a chivalrous attempt at recreating the art of the dogfight. Not to cut on HTC, but it's definitely not a simulator. (those would cost millions per unit) It's a cartoon game for your personal amusement. Otherwise there is no point.
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IMO there are certain times when I think HO'n is exceptable. Like when you up a hurri2c for base defense on a field that is about to be capped and the numbers are not in your favor. Or when you find yourself heavily outnumbered and you are obviously going to die anyway since 1 v 1 is hard to come by 99% of the time.
However I can't help but laugh everytime some LA or spit 16 dweeb comes straight at you on a merge yankin the trigger when it's just you and him in the area.:lol HO's are easily avoided though by simply doing what is called a "turn". I know this may be a difficult concept for some but it's as simple as that. When I here someone on range say "he's gonna HO me" well.... If you have time to say that then you should have plenty of time to avoid it.
Thats just my opinion:cool:
Bucky
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It's kind of like when you're young and desperate irl... you're always going for the HO no matter what they may look like.
Later in life though once you've learned a thing or two you're a little more selective, most of the time.
Cmon though, everyone loves an easy HO now and then.
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Saying that head-ons are a "style of play" is like saying masturbation is a "sexual position". It's not a style. It's a means to an end.
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HOin is my best ACM!
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Originally posted by Kurt
pointed in my direction then I'm afraid you're nucking futs. Because if you think I'm gonna hesitate to find out if you're 'honorable'... well, then you're even more nucking futs.
I don't think it could be better said.:t
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Originally posted by KTM520guy
First off let me say I totally suck in fighters.
A lot of people on this board and on ch.200 ***** and moan about the head on attack. So whats the problem? Isn't the point to kill the enemy? I for one feel that if a red guy is in my sights, I'm going to shoot. I'm not saying I'm a HO supporter or any thing since ,for me, a HO is a first class ticket back to the tower. Don't pass GO, don't collect $200. If I avoid the other guys HO I get to live an extra 5 or 10 secsonds.
:noid
In general; if you are not seriously out-numbered (some of the ) more experienced players consider 'most' head on shots as amatureish, lacking effort... Its not difficult to engineer a HO shot, but it takes effort to turn on someones 6 or otherwise outmaneuver them.
That said, knowing how, when, and who to HO is a valuable asset, and there's only one way for new players to figure this all out; by playing.
If it's a 5 vs 1, and I'm the 1.. I'll revert back to my new days and "HO my way to life", if possible, because its no longer "fair". At face value a 1 on 1 is considered fair and "gamesmanship" kicks in.
Its your $15 bucks though, dont let anyone tell you how to spend it.
One of these days as your being a badass joystick jock tearing up the digital sky, it'll be a 1vs 1 battle... you'll pass on the HO, turn and kill your enemy and realise its more fun that way.
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Good post Marine
Bucky
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Originally posted by x0847Marine
Its your $15 bucks though, dont let anyone tell you how to spend it.
Exactly. :aok
Personaly, when someone gets on my 6, I run for a sector and then bail. Better than HOing him I guess
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If your little red icon plane holds still in my gunsight long enough for me to get a guns solution your gonna get shot no matter what direction you plane is pointing. I normally am trying to avoid getting shot in a HO merge so I dont get a lot of guns solutions in them. How ever when I do the trigger is getting pulled and if it makes you whine all the better. I cant even remember the last time I was killed by an HO so if its happening to you a lot its probably YOUR FAULT :rofl So suck it up learn some ACM avoid the HO and quit whining. In other words.
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It still takes two to HO.
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Couple of quick points.
If its not hold your guns on him as you both go nose to nose from 3k or farther out its NOT a HO.
Its a forward quarter shot in a fight. Totattly different beast entirely.
Second, if the other guy has the advantage, in alt, position, numbers, all bets are off. I'll take any shot I can get that lets me stay alive a smidgeon longer.
If that bruises your ego, well too darn bad. You want a fair fight, it should be fair, period.
What Marine said was very appropriate, agree completely.
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I don't think it's the HO really that causes the whines... it's the kiddie "I'm gonna shoot you even if it's a retarded move that could easily kill me cuz I can just re-up again" attitude. Sounds like Superdud's got it down pat :rofl
Tumor
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HO whine are from people who don't know :
- how to avoid an HO attempt
- how to win an HO
Since I learned both when I see and HOer I'm happy ... he will soon be dead :D
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HOing a C-47 is a sound tactical move. Ive got no problem with that at all, been doing it for years.
I do have a problem with blue aircrafting HOing my Pony because its the only way they can draw blood.
But then I hate alt dweebs in blue planes even more.
Ive been for an allied/axis theater from the git go.
I gave up and gentleman fighting, and chilvery along time ago.
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
HOing is totaly lame on the first pass.
after the first merge and the fight is 'on' its just kinda weak.....
......and more importantly, stupid; If someone has their guns pointed at you, why are you holding still trying to aim, why are you not working on avoiding those guns and reversing to a possition where you have guns on and the enema doesnt?
HO'ing is for 2 week newbs and 'vets' that never got past the 2 week newb skill level.
I'm not one to HO myself. That tactic just doesn't work for me. I just don't understand why people cry about so much. The age of chivalry is long since past. This a WWII based sim. The point is to make the other guy dead and take his dirt.
:noid
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Originally posted by Tumor
I don't think it's the HO really that causes the whines... it's the kiddie "I'm gonna shoot you even if it's a retarded move that could easily kill me cuz I can just re-up again" attitude. Sounds like Superdud's got it down pat :rofl
Tumor
So basically you're saying you aren't skilled enough to dodge a HO and therefore cry when you get hit by it. I hope one day I can live up to your standards of the elite virtual air pile-it, until that day I will HO and laugh as you cry on CH200 about it. Knowing that some guy from the internet thinks less of me is really tearing me up inside:aok
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Originally posted by NAVCAD
If you don't like the game play....then don't play:o
Also, don't criticize someone elses play because it doesn't fit YOUR style of play.
NAVCAD
p.s. OK uncap the guns....ready for the inevitable backlash...LMFAO
I got Yer Back Hommie:huh
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I propose that from this point forward that we as the Aces High community no longer refer to the above mentioned situation as a "HOing".
From this point forward we shal call it "Jousting".
That is all.
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Originally posted by Kurt
Wow, is that what I said? I said I always go for the HO? hmmm
I guess on the alternate universe version of this board that is what translated, but here on Earth I didn't say anything even remotely like that.
I was speaking in general terms and not the literal sence.
reread the entirety of my post. and take out of it what applies to you.
But you did say sometrhing to the efect that "If your little plane passes the little red dot in my sight... I shoot."
Which tells me that if that little plane is comming at you, Yes, you will go for the HO.
And inasmuch as a very large portion of fights start off with a head on merge. Based on what you yourself said it would be very easy to assume that in a head on merge you will always go for the HO.
Course there are those who do literally only go for the HO unless they manage to sneak up on you.
I see them every night. I can think of one rook pilot in particular whom all he ever does is try for the HO. and if he misses, he runs away till he can turn around and try it again. or, he simply runs away.
I dont beleive I ever fought you, So I cant rightly say which form of dweebery you prefer
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Originally posted by F4J
It still takes two to HO.
No. It only takes 1 to pull the trigger to HO.
thre have been alot of times Ive found myself in a HO position without intending on getting there
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Originally posted by ColdKill
Total Bull! You want to go around going for the HO everytime? You are ruining the gameplay of others and wasting the playing time of others. I can dodge almost every HO so they don't bother me, but to see a guy do nothing but go for the HO everypass is really pathetic. Someone could be nice and teach the guy how to manuver on a planes 6. If you want to get good at dogfighting, you will learn to fight instead of HO. In AH, the HO shot is a skilless, pathetic, cowardly way to earn kills. If you post what this guy post it only shows the level you have reached so far. By all means try and graduate to actual dogfighting! :aok
Agree 100%. Spot on CK
Karaya
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
But you did say sometrhing to the efect that "If your little plane passes the little red dot in my sight... I shoot."
Which tells me that if that little plane is comming at you, Yes, you will go for the HO.
Not quite... I'm busy working for a solution... Trying to set up and HO means that I am going to put my self at risk of being shot by YOU (or whomever I'm fighting) Thus, I don't do that. If I see an HO developing I WILL assess my aircraft vs yours. If I believe the plane I am in will trump your hand AND you are clearly setting up an HO, I will shoot. I'm quite effective in that position. I do not farm it.
In the process of getting out of your guns I will more often avoid the HO. I can not remember the last time I was shot down in an HO when I was not an active participant... Read that as... IT TAKES TWO. I have never been shot down by an HO when I was willing to duck under it.
Based on what you yourself said it would be very easy to assume that in a head on merge you will always go for the HO.
Then you didn't read what I wrote... You read what you expected me to mean.
I dont beleive I ever fought you, So I cant rightly say which form of dweebery you prefer
Nor can you assume I use any form of dweebery.. but thanks for your confidence. Since you've called me dweeb I suppose its fair to tell you you're a twit.
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i meen depends how they ho'd me i meen sprying from 1.5 out just pisses mem off or when they set up from 5k out to HO but if we merge and turn and end up about to HO each other then i find it ok.
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
thre have been alot of times Ive found myself in a HO position without intending on getting there
Thats not an HO, thats a mistake. You want freedom to make mistakes.
HO can only happen on the initial pass, it is when two aircraft deliberately line up and fly directly at each other until one dies.
HO is NOT when you get shot in the face after 3 turns of a fight. Thats called good gunnery.
If I'm already turning and burning with you and the one opportunity that presents itself is your face, yes, I will take that shot every time. Thats not an HO. Thats you screwing up.
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Originally posted by Kurt
Then you didn't read what I wrote... You read what you expected me to mean.
Thats not an HO, thats a mistake. You want freedom to make mistakes.
HO can only happen on the initial pass, it is when two aircraft deliberately line up and fly directly at each other until one dies.
HO is NOT when you get shot in the face after 3 turns of a fight. Thats called good gunnery.
If I'm already turning and burning with you and the one opportunity that presents itself is your face, yes, I will take that shot every time. Thats not an HO. Thats you screwing up.
I read exactly what you wrote and based and expected you to mean what you wrote in relation to your initial responce.
Ho's cannot happen only on the initial pass. That claim is outright BS.
An HO shot is any faceshot where your nose is pointed directly at my nose and you shoot reguardless of how you got there.
Thats not me screwing up. its you picking a lame and easy way out of a situation you cant find an answer to.
And I didnt call you a dweeb. I insunuated a paticular style I see as a form of dweebery.
But based on your last responce I may reconsider that statement.
Read "if the shoe fits..."
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I take every shot I get. Mostly because I never know when the next one is going to come floating by. You don't like it? Pull the trigger as well, then you at least have a chance. If i watch you go flying past me missing a wing, or on fire, I am going to laugh. If I see you get on ch. 200 and rant about it, then it's your problem.
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If an enemy is in my cone of fire or passing through my cone I pull the trigger. If I find myself in an ememy's cone of fire or passing through it I take evasive and hopefully unpredictable action. That's pure common sense. That being said i will HO if the enemy has an advantage over me(ie. alt, e, better turning abilty if i'm on the deck and can't go vertical) HOing can also be useful against planes that present a large target but have a norrow cone of fire like the P-38. Come in on a p-38 at approx 25-35 degree's relative to it's nose and it usually results in the p-38 receiving a bullet to the face or a flaming engine. Just remember its the dead who usually complain on 200 :aok
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Ho's cannot happen only on the initial pass. That claim is outright BS.
An HO shot is any faceshot where your nose is pointed directly at my nose and you shoot reguardless of how you got there.
Thats not me screwing up. its you picking a lame and easy way out of a situation you cant find an answer to.
Um, But I did find an answer. One you didn't like.
I'm sorry sir, but we disagree at a fundamental level. 3 turns into a fight you can not cry HO. thats just pansy. I worked for the solution and the solution ended up being the front half of your plane. So sorry.
I can in some limited way understand crying about getting HO'ed in the merge (even though a little yank on the stick will foil a long run HO any day of the week), but saying that several turns in to the fight the front of your plane is magically protected by some chivralous code of honor is nothing more than the side effect of your college drug use coming back to haunt you in your old age.
Even when our squad duels in DA, the rule is, after the first pass, all bets are off. Everyone I've ever dueled uses that same rule of thumb, first pass is merge, everything else is fighting. I often, but not always apply that rule in the main arena. Sometimes I will do a real live first pass HO, but its only for very specific reasons (such as I'm severly out numbered and I need to thin the herd).
More often though, I will avoid that first pass HO. After that... Game on, sorry if you don't like it.
I'm deeply sorry that you're going to be offended if that happens someday... But, I will take that shot anyhow.
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Originally posted by Kurt
Um, But I did find an answer. One you didn't like.
I'm sorry sir, but we disagree at a fundamental level. 3 turns into a fight you can not cry HO. thats just pansy. I worked for the solution and the solution ended up being the front half of your plane. So sorry.
I can in some limited way understand crying about getting HO'ed in the merge (even though a little yank on the stick will foil a long run HO any day of the week), but saying that several turns in to the fight the front of your plane is magically protected by some chivralous code of honor is nothing more than the side effect of your college drug use coming back to haunt you in your old age.
Even when our squad duels in DA, the rule is, after the first pass, all bets are off. Everyone I've ever dueled uses that same rule of thumb, first pass is merge, everything else is fighting. I often, but not always apply that rule in the main arena. Sometimes I will do a real live first pass HO, but its only for very specific reasons (such as I'm severly out numbered and I need to thin the herd).
More often though, I will avoid that first pass HO. After that... Game on, sorry if you don't like it.
I'm deeply sorry that you're going to be offended if that happens someday... But, I will take that shot anyhow.
Sorry, I should have said. You couldnt find another answer.
Unless largly outnumbered. I dont even take that shot that you refer to and even then only rarely and usually only when fired upon in that manner first.
You fly as you like.
Your going to anyhow
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Unless largly outnumbered. I dont even take that shot that you refer to and even then only rarely and usually only when fired upon in that manner first.
I'm sure you know that in 1942, you would have died first out of any squad due to your adherance to a code of honor that no pilot in history has employed.
But, You fly as you like.
Your going to anyhow.
And if that hypothetical situation occurs in the game and I kill you with that snap shot and I notice in the buffer it was you.. you'll get a just the same. More likely you'll kill me anyhow... But just hypothetically...
But I'll never understand why you decided to die rather than fight.
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Originally posted by Kurt
But I'll never understand why you decided to die rather than fight.
I think some consider HOing as not fighting. They consider fighting to be twisting and turning till you get behind the bad guy and shoot. I find that while doing this however, all the enemies buddies come in and gang you. So like I stated earlier, I HO every chance I get. I don't have time to be honorable and allow their friends to gang me while I'm using my awesome ACMs.
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Originally posted by SuperDud
I think some consider HOing as not fighting. They consider fighting to be twisting and turning till you get behind the bad guy and shoot. I find that while doing this however, all the enemies buddies come in and gang you. So like I stated earlier, I HO every chance I get. I don't have time to be honorable and allow their friends to gang me while I'm using my awesome ACMs.
If your awesome ACM's are letting you get overwhelmed by the drooling gang-banging nitwits, they ain't that awesome.
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
If your awesome ACM's are letting you get overwhelmed by the drooling gang-banging nitwits, they ain't that awesome.
Yeah because I'm sure you do great in 5 to 1 odds:aok
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Originally posted by Donzo
Who, exactly, are you to dictate how others should spend their time in this "game"?
We've all seen the pretty ACM pictures showing the "merge". It's always two planes coming right at each other. Along with that goes the concept of vertical and/or horizontal seperation.
If you decide to stay in the 12 o'clock position of the enemy fighter, shame on you. You gambled and you may have lost.
The most obvious and logical option would be to not position yourself for a potential HO. So maybe by allowing the opportunity for a HO to occur, YOU are not promoting "good fights".
Dude, thread asked why ppl whine about the ho, that's my answer. Who are YOU to jump to the conclution that I am whining on getting ho'd?
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Originally posted by NAVCAD
BLAH BLAH BLAH....Yadda, Yadda, Yadda......
Same song and dance...IT'S A GAME FOLKS!!!!!!WE all pay our 14.95 to HTC, we all play to his or her own talents. Some GV, some dogfight, some bomb, some try a little of everything (and excell in nothing..LOL).
The simple fact is that we are PLAYING A GAME!!!
HOing gets agrevating, sure, but so does getting your a@@ waxed everytime in a dogfight, or your turret shot out by a single 30MM from a Huri.
If you don't like the game play....then don't play:o
Also, don't criticize someone elses play because it doesn't fit YOUR style of play.
I get aggrevated all the time, just like everyone else, but I'm not going to tell YOU how YOU should play the game.
Also, alot of the people that whine on 200 have WAY too much caffine in their diet and should really consider decaff...:)
"Not a surmun...Just a thought"
NAVCAD
p.s. OK uncap the guns....ready for the inevitable backlash...LMFAO
Exellent post there man :aok
Edit: xmarine had a good answer as well
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Originally posted by KTM520guy
I'm not one to HO myself. That tactic just doesn't work for me. I just don't understand why people cry about so much. The age of chivalry is long since past. This a WWII based sim. The point is to make the other guy dead and take his dirt.
:noid
I'm not crying, i don't remember the last time i was killed in an HO.
but then, i always avoid them, so i wouldnt expect such a poor tactic to get me angry.
If i do on the odd occasion get blatantly HO'ed, ill wait to see who it was.
If its a noob then ill send him a salute, was probably within his first 20 killls evar.
If its a vet that i know should do better, I'll laugh at him/her and clearly state my feelings on 200. Not cry about it, just laugh that so-an-so has been reduced to this level.
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In the main arena you expect to get HO's.
But in an event it's pretty lame, in my first and last Friday night event it was me in a Spit XIV versus a 190, a 109 and a 110 and the 110 goes for the head on surprise susprise, what a wnker
wipass
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Originally posted by wipass
In the main arena you expect to get HO's.
But in an event it's pretty lame, in my first and last Friday night event it was me in a Spit XIV versus a 190, a 109 and a 110 and the 110 goes for the head on surprise susprise, what a wnker
wipass
Heh. If I get this right, you're in a Spit 14 and you're outraged that a 110 took a head-on shot at you?
- oldman
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Originally posted by Naytch
Dude, thread asked why ppl whine about the ho, that's my answer. Who are YOU to jump to the conclution that I am whining on getting ho'd?
Where did I jump to the conclution that you were whining about getting ho'd? :huh
Reread my post...I was responding to specific things you stated.
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hoing is lame i dont care what anyone says. there are situations where i understand why i guy would do it, but uppin a 110 and spraying into furball is pathetic, unless its me than its fun
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Originally posted by SuperDud
Yeah because I'm sure you do great in 5 to 1 odds:aok
No, you simply do not grasp the varying kinds of ACM, nor when to apply them. And your SA may ... well ... suck.
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Originally posted by Oldman731
Heh. If I get this right, you're in a Spit 14 and you're outraged that a 110 took a head-on shot at you?
- oldman
Outraged no, surprised no, dissapointed yes ....
wipass
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Spatter the stars
Douse their luminosity
With our amniotic retch
Promulgating the birth
Of another Hell on Earth
Shadows gather poisoned henna for the flesh
A necrotic cattle brand
The hissing downfall pentagram
Carven deep upon the church doors of the damned
But no Passover is planned
A great renewal growls at hand
And only when they're running
Will they come to understand...
So ends the pitiful reign of Man
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
No, you simply do not grasp the varying kinds of ACM, nor when to apply them. And your SA may ... well ... suck.
DA NOW!!!:furious You gona let him talk like that SupaTard?
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I shall challenge him to a duel. Pistols at dawn!!!
I'm guessing he's one of those "play to live" types who rarely slows below 400. You see Dok in a 1vs1 you actually merge and lose speed as you work for position. While this is happening the bad guys buddies are coming. The quicker I can kill you, the better. If I HO you and you cry, all the better:aok
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I don't duel. Never have. Never will.
You never know where you may run into me. On any night I can be trolling for dweebs down low in a Yak-9, trolling for dweebs at mid-altitude in a La-5, trolling for dweebs up high in a D11, doing urban renewal in a 110G or A20G, doing base defense in an IL2, rocket-vultching in a 190F-8, or doing long range sweeps in a P51. Usually all of the above in the course of a night, and with the exception of the Jabo runs I usually land and have at least an assist or kill per flight, not counting manouever assists.
So there is basically nothing you can teach me about the game, Dud. HO your branez out, enjoy your perpetual suckiness.
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It's no surprise you don't duel. Just like most who call people sucky, you are afraid to prove it. So why I might be virtually sucky, at least I'm not virtually a coward. Look at my score, I'm not that good. I bet you could take me!
PS: I hope one day I will no longer be sucky in your eyes. It's really tearing me up inside:rofl Maybe you could teach me?
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Originally posted by SuperDud
It's no surprise you don't duel. Just like most who call people sucky, you are afraid to prove it. So why I might be virtually sucky, at least I'm not virtually a coward. Look at my score, I'm not that good. I bet you could take me!
PS: I hope one day I will no longer be sucky in your eyes. It's really tearing me up inside:rofl Maybe you could teach me?
Yawn. Snore. In twenty years I've been challenged to duel by people I knew I could take, and people I knew I couldn't, and everything in between. It's just not something I enjoy; simple as that.
You have proved your own suckiness by your statements here. People who don't suck know that you can get kills through ACM and not not swarmed over in the process. People who don't suck also don't need to rely on HO shots to get the job done.
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Maybe with all of your infinate wisdom and experience you could teach me? I pray for the day that I am no longer sucky.
Oh and I've run into guys who have been playing this game for years who are still clueless. Pulling out the long number of years you've played doesn't impress me. And by your very discription of how you fly when you said:
"Usually all of the above in the course of a night, and with the exception of the Jabo runs I usually land and have at least an assist or kill per flight, not counting manouever assists."
All that says to me is you're timid, pick people and think you are great because of it. Perhaps if you slowed down long enough to really mix it up, you'd realize that without 5K+ alt and a lot more speed, a 5vs1 isn't really survivable. SA or no, coalt and coE all you're mad skillz don't mean jack.
I bet in an even 1vs1 fight your best ACM is to nose down and run.
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Originally posted by wipass
In the main arena you expect to get HO's.
But in an event it's pretty lame, in my first and last Friday night event it was me in a Spit XIV versus a 190, a 109 and a 110 and the 110 goes for the head on surprise susprise, what a wnker
wipass
Surprise, surprise. The guy in the more manouverable airplane is the one griping about the HO. The guy who should have the easiest time in a turny-twisty fight is upset when the person without the advantage uses the great equalizer.
Seems to be the gist of most HO whines I've seen.
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Originally posted by E25280
Surprise, surprise. The guy in the more manouverable airplane is the one griping about the HO. The guy who should have the easiest time in a turny-twisty fight is upset when the person without the advantage uses the great equalizer.
Seems to be the gist of most HO whines I've seen.
Yup, they want you to turn fight their spit in your 110. If you don't, you're skillless:rofl
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Originally posted by E25280
Surprise, surprise. The guy in the more manouverable airplane is the one griping about the HO. The guy who should have the easiest time in a turny-twisty fight is upset when the person without the advantage uses the great equalizer.
Seems to be the gist of most HO whines I've seen.
you missed 2 key things when replying to him.
he was in a 3 vs 1 3 enemy vs him....he was in an EVENT not the malee......
it rally would not surprise me if all 3 didn't actually go for a HO shot.....
Superdud, why you trying to pick a fight with the elders? you lucky you not my boy, I be grounding you from the computer period...until you learn to act more mature........:D
my opinion, put most of the old players back 5 to 10 years, with their abilities at that time verses your abilities at the current time, I put my money on the older players...... even in a duel......
I'm only 38, but my reaction is 5 times slower now than it was 6 or 7 years ago playing these games.......
got any more SMACK?
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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
Superdud, why you trying to pick a fight with the elders? you lucky you not my boy, I be grounding you from the computer period...until you learn to act more mature........:D
my opinion, put most of the old players back 5 to 10 years, with their abilities at that time verses your abilities at the current time, I put my money on the older players...... even in a duel......
I'm only 38, but my reaction is 5 times slower now than it was 6 or 7 years ago playing these games.......
got any more SMACK?
HAHAHA I guess the jig is up, just trolling a bit.:D
BTW, I've been playing these games for awhile as well. Played AW since 1995 till it's demised. Tried WBs... hated it, quit after a month or so. Then found this place, so who you calling a noob:p
Dok, I was just messing with you. I rarely HO and normally pay the price for it. I'm a furball/DA junky who lives for the good white knuckled, edge of your seat stall/knife fight. My apologies for acting otherwise.
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Originally posted by SuperDud
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Dok, I was just messing with you. I rarely HO and normally pay the price for it. I'm a furball/DA junky who lives for the good white knuckled, edge of your seat stall/knife fight. My apologies for acting otherwise.
Ain't no thang ... with 2600+ posts I didn't think you was a n00b.
Unfortunately, what you described is all too common in the MA. I see it all the time, a guy heads into an engagement, saddles up on the first thing he thinks he can out-turn, and no less than a minute later he has 2 enemies reeling him in. After a while, HO'ing becomes a viable option because such a player usually dies before collecting the kill he was going for. The sad thing is that avoiding that trap has almost nothing to do with what plane you fly, what stick you use, or how well you handle the ship - it's awareness and decision-making.
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i am offended by HO, lets call it a Full Frontal Firing Opportunity.
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<---- HOs, Steals FT bases, an takes lancs to tank town::t
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Originally posted by bagrat
<---- HOs, Steals FT bases, an takes lancs to tank town::t
Bagrat – Yall might want to try B24s when you bomb GVs at Tank Town. They have more ammo for when GVer you just bombed comes back for revenge in a fighter. Plus you can achieve the Triple Crown in camping with B24s much easier in Lancs.
1. Camping GVs at Tank Town – Fun for $%#@ and giggles. (You should try Extreme Camping with T34 – be forewarned – it’s very dangerous, very very dangerous).
Watching Campees cry on 200 – Good for a laugh.
2. Coming back to bomb GVs after the vengeful enemy takes down your VHs – Fun again for $%#@ and giggles.
Watching bomb victims whine on 200 – Brings warm fuzzy feelings to my heart.
3. Shooting down a revenge focused enemy GVer now in a fighter with your bombers over Tank Town.
PRICELESS – You camped him, camp bombed him, and snuffed him – Triple Crown.
(You know they want to throw their joystick against the wall too) :lol
Impressive resume by the way Bagrat – I approve
:aok
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
I see it all the time, a guy heads into an engagement, saddles up on the first thing he thinks he can out-turn, and no less than a minute later he has 2 enemies reeling him in. . . . . . .
The sad thing is that avoiding that trap . . . .
Or maybe, they just fall in to the trap :D
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Ask Jaxxo about my headon philosophy. :)
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Ask Jaxxo about my headon philosophy. :)
-- Todd/Leviathn
Leviathn's not a HOtard; he's the HOtard.
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Ask Jaxxo about my headon philosophy. :)
-- Todd/Leviathn
Ahhh, yes. His answer would be something like this:
"woowooooya*&*(@*%*5booya&*^*ooooouuu&*(&(*wassssupm9*&872woootwoooot"
Some day, maybe, I will be able to understand him
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Originally posted by SuperDud
I HO every chance I get. Most guys cry because they can't handle the fact that they lost.
AMEN