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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: beet1e on March 14, 2006, 08:34:17 AM
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When I was in Qatar last week, the mood seemed to be one of pondering over not whether America will attack Iran, but when, with some people thinking it could be imminent. Having already opened one very large Pandora’s Box next door in Iraq, is the time right to open another? And what are the real reasons behind it?
History is not short of examples of US military intervention resulting in an ignominious disaster – Bay of Pigs, Viet Nam, the abortive rescue of the ~50 hostages being held in Iran – (as compared with the slick operation of Britain’s SAS to liberate the Iranian embassy in London) and now Iraq, where more than 2000 US service personnel have died since the campaign began and there's no end in sight.
The public was told that the whole case for going to war was the presence of WMD in Iraq, and that weapons could be deployed against Western interests in as little as 45 minutes. As we now know, this was all a tissue of lies, as no WMD has ever been found. So what was the real reason for the invasion? A great many people thought it was “all about oil”, indeed the anti-war protesters carried banners bearing the caption “No War for Oil”. In his book, “The End of Oil”, Paul Roberts notes that upon entering Iraq, the US military secured key oil installations. Was this to prevent Saddam from torching his own wells, as he did in 1991? If so, was this because of concerns about global warming, or was it because of the potential ecological disaster and the impact it would have on the wildlife in that region? It must be one of these two reasons, and there can be no other explanation. The fact that America’s consumption of oil is 25% of total world oil output which, at more than 20m barrels a day is three times as much as the second largest oil consumer, China, is of course a red herring which should be discounted. :aok
I must admit to having a few concerns about flying out to Qatar last week, and did searches on newspaper websites looking for tensions in Qatar. All I could find was that they’ve removed Danish products from their supermarket shelves. So why would Bush want to bomb the Al Jazeera radio station in Qatar which was built with a $150m grant from the Emir of Qatar? (Story here: http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1651765,00.html ) I mean it’s just a radio station, right? What happened to the right to freedom of speech, as guaranteed by the First Amendment to the US Constitution, which begins “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press;” ??? Presumably, the follow up would be a military presence in Qatar, which all sounds a bit heavy handed, until one remembers that in these twilight years of oil, the natural gas reserves in tiny little Qatar are the third largest in the world, and are nearly five times as large as those in the United States. But how silly of me to even hint that the US might invade a country to plunder its wealth of energy reserves. We know that would never be on the cards. :aok
Which brings us to back to Iran - is the proposal to get tough with Iran because of its aspirations to become a nuclear power? Oh well, at least Iran admits an interest in developing nukes. But the US military is going to end up being spread so thinly that any military initiative might not be viable. With support for the Bush administration at an all time low, would it get away with starting a new war so soon after Iraq, particularly in view of the absence of any WMD which was the whole case for going to war in the first place, and with recruitment into the military now in free fall as would-be applicants wise up to what may be their fate? And even if the answer is yes, is this the real reason for taking a tough line with Iran? It may be worth remembering that Iran has the second largest natural gas reserves in the world, more than five times the size of the gas reserves in the United States. But how silly of me to even hint that the US might invade a country to plunder its wealth of energy reserves. We know that would never be on the cards. :aok
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I will save yall some time. Beetle, here are the responsses you'll be getting (albeit cut short).
STFU NOOB TRAITORD NEVAR FORGEET!!!111
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Originally posted by Saintaw
I will save yall some time. Beetle, here are the responsses you'll be getting (albeit cut short).
STFU NOOB TRAITORD NEVAR FORGEET!!!111
Nope... it will turn into a boeing vs airbus thread with the real emphasis on how much the eurofighter sucks compared to tactical nukular strike on a mosque in Moscow. Boroda will ofcorse deny all posibility on that because Stalin said so.
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This has to be the most self indulgant well crafted and thus most pathetic troll ever - I mean why even waste your time - especially from a guy who pats himself on the back so much about traveliung the world.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
This has to be the most self indulgant well crafted and thus most pathetic troll ever - I mean why even waste your time - especially from a guy who pats himself on the back so much about traveliung the world.
Bartender. A beer for the truthfull man in the corner if you will. :rofl
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bomb London
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"Between 1966 and 1975, the Royal Navy, primarily, conducted one of the more unusual blockades of modern history—a maritime-intercept operation that became known as the “Beira patrol.” The Royal Navy and Air Force monitored shipping in the Mozambique Channel in an attempt to ensure that no oil reached landlocked Southern Rhodesia (today Zimbabwe) via the port of Beira, in the Portuguese colony of Mozambique. Although the military executed these operations skillfully, Britain’s overall oil embargo against Rhodesia, which had unilaterally declared its independence in 1965, failed. Well aware of oil “seepage” to Rhodesia, London did not (and could not) extend maritime interception operations to other ports in Mozambique or elsewhere."
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Makes one wonder what the real reason behind this was , huh?
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The Beira patrol originated from a dispute between the United Kingdom and its increasingly rebellious colony, Rhodesia. In 1964, the two northern portions of the colonial Federation of Rhodesia and Nyasaland achieved independence as black majority–controlled states—Malawi (once Nyasaland) in July and Zambia (the former Northern Rhodesia) in October. London anticipated that the whites of Southern Rhodesia, who controlled the colony although they constituted a small minority of its population, would attempt to preempt the domestic and international pressure for black-majority rule by establishing Southern Rhodesia as a white-controlled state.
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Oh the shame. The horror. Now cry me a river sweetcheeks. :rofl
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It's all about gun control.
There, Lasz should be in shortly to round out the thread.;)
Really Beetle, you oughta know better. You need stinkier bait and a bigger line.
RTR
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
This has to be the most self indulgant well crafted and thus most pathetic troll ever
So what do you call this (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=173067)?
WGACA
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Beetle, i will explain:
It is perfectly acceptable to repeatedly insult a country as long as it's not the mighty USoA.
there, I said it.
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Norm: Really? Where would I have seen your work?
Pat Healy: Well, have you been to, uh well, let me see... Santiago, Chile?
Norm: Twice last year. Which building's yours?
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Beet...think you'll ever manage to sing any tune other than this one?
I mean really...it's dull already.
And you'd better update yourself with today's news...seems the WMD thing isn't quite so mindlessly simplistic as you need it to be to suit yourself. I certainly don't have a direct link to the truth like you do, but seems the matter ain't black & white after all.
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Originally posted by USHilDvl
Beet...think you'll ever manage to sing any tune other than this one?
I mean really...it's dull already.
Quid Pro Quo. I didn't notice you complaining in THIS (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=173067) thread.
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You guys lighten up and don`t be so hard on the boy. I mean after all , it`s a difficult and puzzling time when you are going through changes. The decisions are "A mind boggling thing". (Sorry Bo. I borrowed that one :))
This week he has been having trouble deciding what color turban to get. Next week, by the way things look, it may be a beret decision. Who knows? :rofl
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I'm amazed that you guys got beet1e to admit he was trolling.
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Anbody wanna start a pool on the date we light up the night skies of Iran?
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Originally posted by Hangtime
Anbody wanna start a pool on the date we light up the night skies of Iran?
Hehe! I remember the first trip "downtown" in sandy land. I was walking by the prescription dept. in a store in Minneola. They had a TV mounted on the wall. As I walked by they had broke into the programs and was showing live coverage of the initial strike. I skidded to a halt and started cheering.."Oh hell yea! Get some!" People stopped and were looking at me like I had lost it right there on the spot until they realized what was going on, then everyone gathered around the set. The old white haired pharmacists came from behind the counter and started yelling..." OooooRaaah bout damn time."
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Originally posted by Hangtime
Anbody wanna start a pool on the date we light up the night skies of Iran?
We don't need to worry about it.
France and the UN are on it so we won't have to lift a finger.
:huh
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Who cares, the Nordschliefe opens next week!!
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Originally posted by Monk
Who cares, the Nordschliefe opens next week!!
Been there... didnt do that.
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A troll, with a little skinny trollette following it around! Soooo cute! :lol
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Been there... didnt do that.
Ah, got to do it. Once ya pop ya can't stop.
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I really don't think you have to worry about USA attacking Iran...
I think it will be Israeli's vs Iran. There are high tensions between the two, and I dare think to say they will take Palistine while passing by for giggles.
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See Rule #4
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oh, fer cripes sakes; Furby. Take the blue pill. Its a troll response to a troller.
take if for what it's worth.
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....zip.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
oh, fer cripes sakes; Furby. Take the blue pill. Its a troll response to a troller.
take if for what it's worth.
thanks, i was trying to troll the troller troll.
never mind.
although there is complete truth in what i said, i figured he didnt mean it.
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My take after much deliberation the US will reffer Iran to the security council of the UN. Due to innaction by the countries bringing forth the resolution, Israel will take it upon itself to protect its well being and the well being of the region, and promptly bomb the living Kaka out of Iran.
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Why should he Hang? Or are trolls about 9/11 now acceptable?
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Originally posted by nuchpatrick
I really don't think you have to worry about USA attacking Iran...
I think it will be Israeli's vs Iran. There are high tensions between the two, and I dare think to say they will take Palistine while passing by for giggles.
They have to also take either Syria or Jordan and after that go thru Iraq or Saudi-Arabia.
Do you think it'll happen ?
(http://www.kolumbus.fi/staga/israel_iran_map.jpg)
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Originally posted by Furball
See Rule #4
well if war mongering Churchill had not attacked germany, you would not have been bombed. "peace in our time"
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SOme of you might be to young to remember this Tee shirt:
Nukem till they glow, It worked in Japan, It will work in Iran!
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Originally posted by john9001
well if war mongering Churchill had not attacked germany, you would not have been bombed. "peace in our time"
What does "peace in our time" have to do with Churchill? He's not the one who said it, and was not PM when England declared war on Germany.
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beetle must be bored, got no women to toss around I guess.
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Originally posted by Staga
They have to also take either Syria or Jordan and after that go thru Iraq or Saudi-Arabia.
Do you think it'll happen ?
(http://www.kolumbus.fi/staga/israel_iran_map.jpg)
I don't like your logic getting in the way of my fantasies Staga, I really don't! :D
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I think the Middle East, in general, could be a wonderful resource of glass. Or, the world's largest glass sculpture. Oh yes. Think of the pretty shiny things that could be made with the right ordnance.
Course, I would not want to clean all that glass. Can you imagine the fingerprints? Oy!!
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Originally posted by Staga
They have to also take either Syria or Jordan and after that go thru Iraq or Saudi-Arabia.
Do you think it'll happen ?
(http://www.kolumbus.fi/staga/israel_iran_map.jpg)
Hey - you have cut away parts of south-east Iran! Also the iranian islands in the Persian Gulf.
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Ooops... didn't scroll the Photoshop's window to the right.
Oh well; I blame democrats like all good Americans :)
Skuzzy; imagine what kind of sculptures you could get from the pieces of steel and concrete used in blown-up skyscrapers. They may smell like kerosene or Jet A-1 but it fades away in few decades.
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Some people just have no sense of humor. Besides Staga, we have been there and done that already. But I guess that was ok, cause it was us, eh?
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Yeah I make jokes about nukes all the time. Imagine all those bodies glowing in the dark; would be neat in the Halloween. And if they would become zombies they would be easier to see at the night. LoLs :)
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Now yer gettin in the swing of things. I always like to make light when someone is speculating about what so-and-so is gonna do next. All part of the game.
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when did the MuMu's claim independance from Iran?
I think a military strike against Iran from the US, any time in the near future, is just political rhetoric aimed at rhetorical politcs. It aint gonna happen.
Besides, Im confident the israel people will kill everyone before things get ugly.
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Originally posted by Yeager
Besides, Im confident the israel people will kill everyone before things get ugly.
"israel people"??
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Ain't THAT just the PC schiznit of the week!
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Will America bomb Iran? Well lets check the pre-requisites...
12. Bush's ratings are in the pooper... check
11. Someone, somewhere in Iran spoke to Al Quaeda... check
10. They talked bad about Israel... check
9. They are mostly Muslim... check
8. They are a 3rd world country... check
7. Their military is outdated... check
6. Haliburton will get lucrative contracts... check
5. Opportunity to create more "heroes" from US military f'ups... check
4. They actually are developing WMD's... check (not like thats really important anyway)
3. They are an oil producing country... check
2. It will piss off George Clooney... check
or maybe this...
1. Because we can and noone else will! :t
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No amount of NON-nuclear airstrikes are going to end their nuke program,(and there DANG sure isn't gonna be an invasion) and inside a few years, they will perform a sucessful test, an announce to the world that they have 10 nukes, and we'd better be nice to them (oh yeah, and don't buy any property in Tel-Aviv)
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Beet1e, you must really appreciate all of the good things America does for the world. I mean, you really do care about all of the attention you give us.
Karaya
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Ain't THAT just the PC schiznit of the week!
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well.....normally I call em jews but to tell the truth the word gets sorta repetative. Just figured I would swap things out a bit.
PS whats a schiznit? is that like a schizzle me nizzle? aint that a pizzle?
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America won't have to bomb Iran. Sit back, relax, and let them have all the bombs they want. It's a problem that contains its own solution.
(http://www.uriasposten.net/pics/JP-011005-Muhammed-Westerga.jpg)
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Troll?
What's a troll? I've never seen anyone adequately explain that.
From my observation, a troll can only be described as one who states a conflicting or opposing view, at odds with the general consensus of the community to whom he posts, with the sole objective being the creation of hostile reactions, for nothing other than the troll's amusement at the reactions.
I've seen it a lot on other boards, who's communities are far less ambiguous than ours. In those instances, trolls are easy to define. The communities to whom the trolls post are communities whose very raison d’ętre is the ideological consensus of their respective communities.
Take, for example, some of your guy's little foray into the PETA boards. You were nothing but trolls, posting just to agitate, and making no bones about that.
The question is.... has the OC become the political equivalent of the PETA boards? Where there is but one overriding consensus, and anything said contrary to that consensus is automatically branded a troll - the merits of the argument be damned?
Has the OC reached the point where it has leveled off into an ideological comfort zone? I think that's what some of you seem to expect. I think it's why some of you find it so damned easy to call something a troll.
You think that you know what this community is. You think that you understand it's norms. When you cry "Troll!," all you're really doing is calling attention to the fact that someone is saying something at odds with what you think this community will tolerate.
ie.:
"Expressed opposition will garner an outcry here, and the expresser of that opposition must know that, thus that expression is a troll."
I call bs.
If Beet1e's post was made on a Freeper board, it would definitely be a troll. Of course. But since when is the OC the undisputed land of freepers?
Nothing about Beet1e's sharing of his experience in Qatar and his thoughts about it could ever constitute a "troll" in a community where ideological differences are accepted as part of this community.
Or.... are ideological differences no longer a part of this community?
You folks better come to terms with that before all you're left with is trying to shout down your own selves.
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
I think the Middle East, in general, could be a wonderful resource of glass. Or, the world's largest glass sculpture.
Yes, yes! It's already happening. Construction of the BWTC (Bahrain World Trade Centre) is "nearing completion" - though it didn't look that way to me when I saw it from the airport window during my stopover in Bahrain on Sunday, while I was waiting for my Air... er, Aircraft. The twin towers will be joined by three horizontal beams on which wind turbines will be mounted, generating 35% of the twin towers' electricity requirements. Here's a pic I managed to dig out - I assume they'll have some sort of automated window cleaning system!
(http://www.zen33071.zen.co.uk/bwtc00.jpg)
Nash! Thanks for your post - well said. :aok
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the world is at war because thats what 'we' do.
Quote - 'Bomb London'
they already did, saved you a job.
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Okay, if not a troll, the I have a question....
Originally posted by beet1e
.... Having already opened one very large Pandora’s Box next door in Iraq, is the time right to open another? And what are the real reasons behind it?
History is not short of examples of US military intervention resulting in...
Were we alone in opening "one very large Pandora's box"?
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to answer your question: no.
your allies joined you as is correct in these matters.
and we would gladly follow you again, as long as you dont invade France.
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
to answer your question: no.
your allies joined you as is correct in these matters.
and we would gladly follow you again, as long as you dont invade France.
Oh, fer petes sake.. why bother. The place smells and is populated by unemployed pyromaniacs with Korans in their pockets.
Seems the French already got their just rewards.
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Originally posted by john9001
well if war mongering Churchill had not attacked germany, you would not have been bombed. "peace in our time"
you are not too bright are you?
i was referring to the bombing of the london underground last july.
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Originally posted by Furball
you are not too bright are you?
i was referring to the bombing of the london underground last july.
actualy i was refering to the norman invasion, i just said germany to confuse you.
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Well someone is definately confused, but I won't say who. It's fun to watch them display it for everyone else to laugh at. :lol :rolleyes: