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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: mietla on March 14, 2006, 10:47:27 AM
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The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have to much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have to little.
FDR
Did FDR really say that?
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FDR's Second Inaugural Speech - 20th January 1937 (http://www.historybuff.com/presidents/fdr2.html)
9th paragraph from the end.
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here (http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/f/franklind163168.html)
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FDR put into the American Brain the concept of 'welfare'. While widely revered as the President that 'saved' America from economic collapse, he's also the guy that created 'big brother' government and was responsible for the most far-reaching incursions on our constitutional rights EVER. An interesting look into his mindset is his 'Imperial Presidency'.. the guy actually attempted to take executive control of the Supreme Court!
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on the tail end of the great depression - what else would joe six pack want to hear but a line from robin hood...
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Originally posted by Hangtime
FDR put into the American Brain the concept of 'welfare'. While widely revered as the President that 'saved' America from economic collapse, he's also the guy that created 'big brother' government and was responsible for the most far-reaching incursions on our constitutional rights EVER. An interesting look into his mindset is his 'Imperial Presidency'.. the guy actually attempted to take executive control of the Supreme Court!
...and wasn't he the only guy to be elected president at three consecutive presidential elections - 1932, 1936, 1940? Are you saying the American electorate is stupid?
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4, actually... IIRC. He died a year into his fourth term.
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Originally posted by Urchin
4, actually... IIRC. He died a year into his fourth term.
Quite correct! :aok
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Originally posted by Hangtime
FDR put into the American Brain the concept of 'welfare'. While widely revered as the President that 'saved' America from economic collapse, he's also the guy that created 'big brother' government and was responsible for the most far-reaching incursions on our constitutional rights EVER. An interesting look into his mindset is his 'Imperial Presidency'.. the guy actually attempted to take executive control of the Supreme Court!
Yea, that was definately not one of the high notes of his time in office.
Although, basically the goal of every President wrt the SC since has been to pack the court with ideologues of their particular flavor, so he doesn't really stand out as being unique. He just wasn't as subtle as those who came after him.
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I'm pretty sure FDR used the word "too" and not the word "to".
The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have to much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have to little.
FDR
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:mad:
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He actually pronounced the second "o"?
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Yes - he had lessons from Mystic Meg.
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"Are you saying the American electorate is stupid?"
Stupid....I don't know about stupid, but the electorate is doubtlessly gullible. This is true of any country. Even our founding fathers recognized that, hence why we're a representative democracy with many unelected offices (supreme court, the senate originally, etc). The US isn't and has never been a a pure democracy.
My parents loved FDR, and even they admit he probably would have made himself King if he thought he could get away with it. He was a great president in some ways, but he was the dangerous sort of great who always wanted more and more power. It's probably just as well that he died before WW2 ended.
That said, something had to be done in 1932, and Social Security and programs like the TVA did much to help out many people. Laissez-faire presidents like Hoover and Harding are uniformly remembered as among our worst. At the risk of being branded a socialist, I'll say that I think smaller government isn't *always* better for the country. The problem isn't necessarily Big Government in and of itself--it's when Big Government keeps getting bigger and bigger like a cancer. We tried "small government" once before, with the Articles of Confederation, and it failed miserably.
J_A_B
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In thje context of the time that sentiment seems appropriate.
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FDR was one of the worst Presidents this country has had. Worse then Johnson but not quite as bad as Lincoln.
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J_A_B - thanks for the explanation in your post. You're right of course, and the UK is no better, having elected Tony Blair three times since the start of 1997. In that time, our freedoms have been eroded, and the government has just got bigger and bigger and bigger... Taxes have been going up and up - the Blair govt. and in particular, Gordon Brown (who will become the PM when Blair steps down) considers our money to be their money. There's an incredible amount of govt. meddling, which costs the taxpayer dearly - issues about which people should be left to make their own choices.
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lets face it, when it comes to govenments, there is no 'good ones' just the 'not so bad as the others' ones.
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I have never had to much, then again...I have never had to little!
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"to much" and "to little" are verbs now? OK :lol
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Originally posted by Bruno
FDR was one of the worst Presidents this country has had. Worse then Johnson but not quite as bad as Lincoln.
My grandfather would literally get enraged at the mention of FDR. Why? He never forgave him for splitting up the USMC (he was USMC 43-46) in WWII. He passed away in 98, he NEVER swore, cussed, but would he get pissed.
Karaya
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How did he split up the USMC?
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Originally posted by Urchin
How did he split up the USMC?
Three Divisions in the ETO, and three to the PTO. Ask any Marine vet from WWII. They were NOT happy about this.
Karaya
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Oh I did not know that. I thought all the Marines served in the PTO.
Learn something new every day :).