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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: rabbidrabbit on March 14, 2006, 07:51:18 PM
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OK,
If you wanted to seal a roof permanantly what would you use. My parents built a house 25 years ago and sheathed it in Red Cedar shingles with tar paper underneath. They are thinking about simply tearing the house down because of the water damage that occured over the winter because they don't want to repair it. Instead they are thinking about building something more simple to maintain. They might consider restoring the existing building only if there is a way to make it weather tight. Any good rollon options? a better shingle? Ideas?
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If I had to replace my roof today, I'd go with metal. 25 year warranty, fireproof, easy to install and inexpensive. The architectural rage around here lately is Austin Stone walls and metal roofing. It comes in many colors and textures. Some are hard to tell they are not shingles until you look closely.
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Put up all good possibillities please. I'd like to know also.
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Yes, metal roofing is definately an option.
Really the only downside is it can be noisy in a heavy rainstorm...and is subject to hail damage. Wind damage can also occur if not installed correctly.
The key to installing a metal, or any, roofing system is to put whatever you are going to use on a good base.
3/4" Structural grade OSB should suffice..or plywood if you want to spend the extra money. Of course you will want to inspect the trusses etc. as well.
There are other options of course. Sprayed polyurethane roofing, Coldtacked roll-on roofing (ugly as all hell,) 25 year interlock asphalt shingles...blah blah blah.
Look into the soffits and facia and eavestrough as well. If the roof is porked
that stuff will be too. Dont forget to install new drip edge whatever you use! ;) Water running off a new roof into soffits and into walls in teh suck. (Been there done that)
Cod I hate roofing.
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I have metal roofing on my house and it is really not any louder than asphalt.
Here is the problem:
(http://24.18.15.14/sunapee.jpg)
So, you see that standard roofing materials will not do well.. need some sort of tile and some serious undersealer.
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If you do not have things that will be falling on the roof (large tree branches etc.) then a tile roof is also good for long term.
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http://www.tamko.com/ContractorHomeLandingPage/tabid/116/Default.aspx?audience=builder
i would go with laminate shingles , but metal one are good too, with proper underlayment and metal flashings
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paint it black .. Call up le-paul and breath heavily
("I am your Father, And Ive got this house you must fix up")
:t
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Where is this? What is the climate and how bad is the fire hazard in that area?
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I don't know about shake roofs, but we applied an elastometric paint to our 50 year old clay barrel tile roof for esthetic purposes as the roof had no leaks. it was the only roof that withstood katrina and wilma when they hit our neighborhood last year. I can't say enough good things about that plastic paint.
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I don't have many details (because I really wasn't that interested at the time), but a year or so ago I was watching one of the home improvement shows ('this old house', I think).
they used a roofing material made from recycled tires that was suposed to last damn near forever. it looked like a slate shingle roof when they were done.
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Nuke it from orbit, it's the only way to be sure.
Barring that, I'd like to second the metal suggestion.
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metal is nice until it snows and you happen to be standing at the side of your house when the snow desides to let loose. If for some reason it does leak, the leak can be a Mthr Fker to find. When you think you've found it and fixed it, it'll be back... leaking. It's noisy as hell in a rain storm, dont even mention hail or sleet.... Or pine trees when they drop their pine cones. Sounds like a war is taking place on the roof.
We had a 40x20 addition put on for working on cars and what not. The roof is metal. Its nice because it will last forever and there is very little to maintain. I guess if you want to put it on your house that would be ok too. It's just not what I think of when I think of a good roof for a house. The asphalt shingles they have today will probably outlast you. You'll be long gone and planted by the time they need to be replaced.
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Originally posted by eskimo2
Where is this? What is the climate and how bad is the fire hazard in that area?
Waterfront property in New Hampshire, gets cold (-30)and windy(80MPH gusts) in the winter , Summer avg in the mid 80's with rain showers.
As you can see its not something you want to worry about in the next 80 years once its done. My parents built the place from scratch by themselves on weekends using the best they could find but the top of the roof was compromised and water leaked down all long the whole shell. As a result the building has sagged down and most of the drywall on the upstairs is toast. The frame is pulling apart in some places so at minimum the upstairs drywall and insulation will need to be removed and the building pulled back straight then the outer sheathing will need to be replaced to ensure it does not leak again. Thats the big problem with domes. They better not leak. My dad is too depressed about so much happening to something he spent 6 years building and just wants to tear it down and build something smaller on the foundation. If they do rebuild whats there they will need some sort of waterproof forever coating instead of relying on cedar shingles and tarpaper.
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Rebuild it and use a metal roof.
Sad, but less work and safer in the long run.
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Originally posted by rabbidrabbit
I have metal roofing on my house and it is really not any louder than asphalt.
Here is the problem:
(http://24.18.15.14/sunapee.jpg)
So, you see that standard roofing materials will not do well.. need some sort of tile and some serious undersealer.
thats one heck of a nice looking house rabbit!
as mentioned earlier, the key to good long life roofing is vastly about facias and sofits.
if yer F&Ss are fubar, the roof will follow in a matter of months.
on the other hand, looking at that design, don't look like F&Ss are gunna be much of an issue, interesting design all round.
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(http://www.tamko.com/Portals/0/media/170_mw_scsl.jpg)
(http://www.tamko.com/Portals/0/media/170_mw_sct.jpg)
(http://www.traditional-building.com/article/images/metrf3.gif)
These are all metal roofing...
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That's a nice looking house for sure. I agree with rebuilding, but without very strong framing from the ground up, the solution is not permanent to any extent. Just about have to use steel framing for that it would seem, but I don't know, just my intuitive opinion.
With the strong framing, which may could be replaced without tearing down the building, the roof will have more support. Any structural movement of a domed roof will cause it to leak. I would say that the cedar shingles (which look good on that house) would work out fine, provided the frame and sealing work was addressed beforehand. Less movement from shifting and settling caused by weather on the roof will mean less leakage. Also with weather extremes, a solid foundation will steady the house from wind effects, which in turn place stress on the roof.
Interesting to note, there is a dome structure here in Mobile that is a tavern near the lower river delta on the causeway. That place has been there for at least 25 years. The design apparently is hurricane resistant, as this structure has weathered several strong hurricanes over the years. The shingles are cedar, and it is built on telephone pole piers about 20' high. It's one of the few structures that is a survivor. Don't know if the roof leaks, but by golly hurricanes don't seem to bother it.
Les
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A somewhat expencive option but the longest lasting roofs I know of are Slate.
A bit expencive as I said, But you wont have to replace it again for at least 100 years.
Provided you live that long LOL
Im serious though. I've worked on several houses over 100 years old and more that have had slate roofs andd find that talking with the homeowners they without exeption have considered replacing the roofs with something more modern because it was the original roof and figured it was due to be replaced only to be told by reputable roofers to leave them.
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Ok... best bet... asphalt shingles. or... fiberglass ones.
metal... expensive. can be damaged if walked on.
tile... expensive and if you walk on it (clean those gutters?) you destroy it. It may look good but still leak if the felt rots or is damaged.
cedar shake... fire hazard and prone to leak.
if you have a shake roof then in order to go to asphalt you will have to remove it and then sheet the whole roof in plywood first. the new shingles can be had with up to a 50 year guarentee.
unless it it a cosmetic thing... asphalt shingles are still the best alternative so far as price and durability are concerned.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
unless it it a cosmetic thing... asphalt shingles are still the best alternative so far as price and durability are concerned.
lazs
Even then, They make asphalt shingles in all sorts of varieties and styles now and not just the rectangular blocks we've gotten used to seeing.
And there are other options.
If you really want a shake or slate style roof
These are wind resistant, UV resistant, and have a 50 year warrantee
Wish I had found this stuff 3 years ago when I had my roof redone
Davinci Roofscapes (http://www.davinciroofscapes.com/body/home.htm)
Synthetic Slate
(http://www.davinciroofscapes.com/body/images/gallery/SLTBLKTop.jpg)
Synthetic Shake
(http://www.davinciroofscapes.com/body/images/gallery/shake/autumn4.jpg)
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Originally posted by lazs2
metal... expensive. can be damaged if walked on.
lazs
Man, are you 180 off base. Metal is cheap by comparison. I guess if you had no substructure at all underneath you could damage it by walking on it. But, where are you going to walk on a geodesic dome? Otherwise it's much stronger and more durable than asphault or fiberglass shingles.
I think some of you are thinking about plain corrugated steel when they say metal roofing. Holden had some examples of exactly the type metal I was talking about. They are no more noisy than tile during a rain or hailstorm when installed properly.