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Title: Ki84
Post by: dedalos on March 16, 2006, 02:56:41 PM
It seems to have one of the shortest takeoffs.  With wep and flaps its like 3 feet :lol

Soooo, how come it is/was not available on CVs?  Not that I like the plane and I would ever use it from a CV, but someone else maybe would :D
Title: Ki84
Post by: Furball on March 16, 2006, 03:02:00 PM
because it was made in taiwan and taiwan dont have cv's stupid.
Title: Ki84
Post by: B@tfinkV on March 16, 2006, 03:02:43 PM
you can roll almost anything off the CV, shall we enable all of them?
:confused:


wait thats not a bad idea :D
Title: Re: Ki84
Post by: Ack-Ack on March 16, 2006, 03:29:30 PM
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Originally posted by dedalos
It seems to have one of the shortest takeoffs.  With wep and flaps its like 3 feet :lol

Soooo, how come it is/was not available on CVs?  Not that I like the plane and I would ever use it from a CV, but someone else maybe would :D


It wasn't an IJN plane.

P-38 with with a 1 or 2 notches of flaps also has a short take off.  Nice when taking off fully loaded from one of those bases with a mountain at the end of the runway.


ack-ack
Title: Ki84
Post by: Murdr on March 16, 2006, 03:47:51 PM
Heh, 38 jumps right off the CV deck with 100% Fuel, 2k of bombs, plus rockets.
Title: Ki84
Post by: Grits on March 16, 2006, 03:55:44 PM
Ki84 pwns.
Title: Ki84
Post by: Hoarach on March 16, 2006, 04:44:16 PM
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Originally posted by Grits
Ki84 pwns.


Maybe after it gets turned into a roman candle by the hands of a 38. :t
Title: Ki84
Post by: Guppy35 on March 16, 2006, 05:35:54 PM
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Originally posted by Murdr
Heh, 38 jumps right off the CV deck with 100% Fuel, 2k of bombs, plus rockets.


light on fuel and full flaps the old 38G leaps up quick in the midst of the vulchers over a field.  I imagine it would do the same off a carrier deck.
Title: Ki84
Post by: Grits on March 16, 2006, 06:45:39 PM
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Originally posted by Hoarach
Maybe after it gets turned into a roman candle by the hands of a 38. :t


The Ki84 will eat a 38's lunch, take its milk money, kick its dog and french kiss its sister all at the same time.
Title: Ki84
Post by: Morpheus on March 16, 2006, 06:50:38 PM
nah.
Title: Ki84
Post by: RAIDER14 on March 16, 2006, 06:52:23 PM
anything can take off from a CV a Lanc can ...
Title: Ki84
Post by: Grits on March 16, 2006, 06:52:45 PM
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Originally posted by Morpheus
nah.


WTF do you know BVR missile firing, radar guided, swingwing jetdweeb?!? :D
Title: Ki84
Post by: eilif on March 16, 2006, 06:54:09 PM
Ki84 is slow, and if its a turn fight a decent p38 stick can kick a decent ki84 stick if he uses the p38s high speed flaps.
Title: Ki84
Post by: Grits on March 16, 2006, 06:57:22 PM
Ki84 has dead even speed with the P-38L on the deck with WEP, how is that slow?

The problem is very few people know how to get the most out of the Ki84, so the vast majority of them are poorly flown.
Title: Ki84
Post by: Morpheus on March 16, 2006, 06:58:02 PM
nah.
Title: Ki84
Post by: Grits on March 16, 2006, 06:59:56 PM
Oh yeah, the F-15 is the sexiest looking jet evar!
Title: Ki84
Post by: Morpheus on March 16, 2006, 07:03:23 PM
FU DIE XzCDOMFG:mad:
Title: Ki84
Post by: Slash27 on March 16, 2006, 07:44:30 PM
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Originally posted by Grits
Oh yeah, the F-15 is the sexiest looking jet evar!


Easy, the Tomcats arent even cold yet you heartless bastard.
Title: Ki84
Post by: SuperDud on March 16, 2006, 07:48:45 PM
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Originally posted by Grits
Oh yeah, the F-15 is the sexiest looking jet evar!


Winnah!
Title: Ki84
Post by: Ack-Ack on March 16, 2006, 07:49:22 PM
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Originally posted by eilif
Ki84 is slow, and if its a turn fight a decent p38 stick can kick a decent ki84 stick if he uses the p38s high speed flaps.



The key to beating a Ki-84 in a P-38L is to keep the fight fast.  The Ki-84 can't match the high speed turning ability of the P-38.  Once the fight slows down to 150mph IAS where the Ki-84 can use its flaps, it can give the P-38 a run for its money in a slow/stall speed fight.



ack-ack
Title: Ki84
Post by: Ack-Ack on March 16, 2006, 07:52:06 PM
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Originally posted by Grits


The problem is very few people know how to get the most out of the Ki84, so the vast majority of them are poorly flown.



Same thing you see with players flying the Spitfire MkXVI.  


ack-ack
Title: Ki84
Post by: sniper68 on March 16, 2006, 09:14:10 PM
ZoMgZ Ki84 ISSS UBER LEET SPIT So GlAD The Britts Made THe KI,

ItS HaS DreAms AbOUt Being As CooL AS A Spit16 and 262 and la7 and niki and a6m ThatsZ WHAT The Ki84 Goes To SLeeP At NiGhT ThinKIng AbOut. How It WishES It Was One OF ThOsE UbEr PlanEs InSTEds
:noid
Title: Ki84
Post by: Hoarach on March 16, 2006, 09:54:35 PM
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Originally posted by Grits
Oh yeah, the F-15 is the sexiest looking jet evar!



Bah the f18 looks so much better.  Followed by the f22 and f16. :p
Title: Ki84
Post by: Morpheus on March 17, 2006, 12:03:17 AM
whatever!
Title: Ki84
Post by: Mister ED on March 17, 2006, 12:26:13 AM
If they modeled the Ki84 correctly, the enigines would burn out at high RPMs.
More IJN pilots died of engine failure, than were shot down.
Title: Ki84
Post by: Hades55 on March 17, 2006, 12:52:22 AM
Frank or Ki84 Hayate  was a Army plane designed to kill high bombers (B 29s)
and to defend Jpn metropolitan mother land.

It had nothing to do with navy and CVs.
Title: Ki84
Post by: Wilbus on March 17, 2006, 05:14:29 AM
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Originally posted by Mister ED
If they modeled the Ki84 correctly, the enigines would burn out at high RPMs.
More IJN pilots died of engine failure, than were shot down.


Well it was an army plane so I doubt all that many navy pilots died from engine fires in it ;)


Ki84 pwns the P38 all day long although the P38 is one of the planes that can fight it best. Spit 16 probarly comes closer but the spit 16 is far easier to fly then both the 84 and 38 so that doesn't count :p


Like AKAK said, the key is to keep the fight fast. Problem is that keeping a fight fast often results in a boring fight (since 99.999% of the AH people can't aim unless they get to cherry pick a 100mph target).

And like Grits said, there are very few people who can actually use the Ki84 to its fullest.
Title: Ki84
Post by: Hajo on March 17, 2006, 05:53:53 AM
Just dusted a Ki84 on the deck yesterday in a P47N.  Choice of combat was mine.  Jug turns very well slow, and can easily accelerate away if need be.
Title: Ki84
Post by: Pawz on March 17, 2006, 06:06:58 AM
P47n so uber
Title: Ki84
Post by: DREDIOCK on March 17, 2006, 06:54:49 AM
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Originally posted by Pawz
P47n so uber


Flown this bird a few times.
Surprised I dont see more of it.
One of the most underrated planes in the game IMO
Title: Ki84
Post by: dedalos on March 17, 2006, 08:03:52 AM
:rofl   Wow, only two people managed to answer the question, lol.  Was just asking why Japan did not put them on CVs.

As far as the 38 dweebs go :D All 38s can do is BnZ a Ki when they have 10K on it.  Co-e you are just stats, muahahahahaha