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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Wobble on October 16, 2001, 09:46:00 PM
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I know there is no meat in them.. as to not offend.. but just what do they consist of? are they all the same? or are some different?
just curious.
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I bet they're more nutritious and varied than whatever it is I eat.
:D
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Probably MREs. AKA army food.
From what I understand the refugees honestly apreciate the food dropped to them, though they don't exactly like some of it.
I thought they were starving? Beggers can't be choosey?
I would expect that the USA would probably try and send them what they want, but you got to think how sureal this situation is.
Hans.
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P.S. From what I understand they do not eat pork. Its against their religion.
I don't know if it extends to all meats or just pork.
Hans.
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is it true that the taliban wont allow people to pick this food?
if they seem em taking it, they punish them
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Originally posted by LtHans:
Probably MREs. AKA army food.
I thought they were starving? Beggers can't be choosey?
There are vegetarian MREs.
Speaking of beggars being choosy...during the Gulf War we would land and give surrendering Iraqis water and MREs before telling them to keep walking south. I handed one of them an MRE...he looks at and asks me "You have Chicken and Rice?" Almost busted a gut...takes some balls to be making requests when you're surrendering. :D
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From USA Today:
"The bright-yellow, 2-pound plastic packs contain vegetarian meals acceptable under Muslim dietary restrictions. They include lentils, barley stew, biscuits, peanut butter and strawberry jam. All bear the same message on the outside in English, French and Spanish: "This is a food gift from the people of the United States of America." But few Afghans understand those languages or can read their own, so the message includes a picture of something more widely recognized: the American flag."
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I still find it incredible that it is the US who are funding 75% of food supplies being sent to Afganistan and not the Arabs or other muslims. The very same muslims who are now shouting about their "brothers" being attacked and similar BS. Hypocrisy must be a part of Islam since it looks like a muslim terrorist killed by an "infidel's" bomb outweighs thousands of peaceful muslims starving to death. :(
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I find it amazing that we think they will eat something given to them by the same ppl who are bombing them ...
a huge PR stunt and waste of $$$
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That's it. Feed the next generation of guys who only want to learn how to guide a plane not take off or land :)
Just where are the Iranians, Saudias Jordanians et all? You would think they would be the first to want to supply food to their Muslim brothers. Or perhaps it is better to see starving Muslims on TV for propaganda purposes?
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Well, apparently they ain't exactly starving over there, a reporter was standing by as some 'refugee' children were opening up various food packs, mostly containing "Poptarts" and "Peanut butter"...the reporter (CNN I believe, this was last week) said "They didn't care for the peanut butter, but the Poptarts were a big hit".
Hmmm,if I was starving, I think peanut butter would taste pretty damn good.
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Yes, well you must realise that if you are accustomed to one kind of food then all of the crap from the US would taste like a camel's ass.
I hate poptarts, I can't stand most vegetables and I hate vegetarian cuisines(sp?)... I think the only thing I would eat is the peanut butter from those care packages.
Their tastes are more accustomed to wheat and rice and stuff like that.
What amazes me is that we are sending these people all of these things, while in Africa we are only sending rice and before the "war" began we were airdropping wheat over Afghanistan and Pakistan.
Why the hell would we change what we are dropping? Seems to me like a helluva waste of money when a 20lb bag of wheat/rice is cheaper than a box of poptarts.
-SW
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Dropping aid like they are doing is not only ineffective and a waste of money, but also endangers the neutrality of NGOs working in the region.
Those yellow bags have done more for the Afghan black market than for the children eating grass around the refugee camps.
Aid should be distributed through the NGOs in a disciplined way to minimise the chance that hawkers and their ilk will get their dirty hands on it. I also think alot of it is getting passed to Taliban fighters.
Hypocrisy must be a part of Islam...
It's a cornerstone of all religion, IMO.
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Dowding, be thankful that you live in a society that lets you feel that way about all religions. I will say a prayer for you either way. ;)
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The country of Afghanistan has been eating itself to death for over fifteen years now. The Taliban were the eventual winners after several factions came to head following the Russian debacle there. 'Installed' leaders were overthrown, one-by-one. The Taliban brought with them an imposed religion/law that basically degrades women to the point of property.
What the Taliban have done to Afghanistan is shameful. They have twisted the religion of Islam into something unrecognizable.
Out efforts in dropping food ARE appreciated by these people. Without it, there would be a great deal of starving people in Afghanistan. For example: Widows, and older women without families are (in many cases) homeless and without hope. All women are forbidden to attend school, to work (hold jobs), or to show their faces. Without the food we are providing, they would have nothing. Sure, the Taliban may impose the death sentence upon anyone eating our food. Not eating our food may well bring about the same result.
Out effort in dropping food is a good start. Ridding the Afghanistan people of the Taliban would be a great plus. We need to see this one through to the end, though. Afghanistan needs someone strong enough to stand with it, to bring it into the twenty-first century, so that it can resist regimes like the Taliban in the future. We need to help the Afghanistan people. We need to show them how to grow crops that will feed them, introduce some form of industry so they can be profitable, and we need to help them rebuild their country in many more ways than these.
Ousting the Taliban is a good start, but the road ahead is a long one. If, we fail, then this is going to be one form of failure we will long regret.
Afghanistan harbors terrorists. Once the terrorists are dead, we need to go on feeding the Afghans. And not just food.
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People used to pray for me at uni. At first I found it strange.
Surprisingly, I had alot of friends in the Christian Union there and many of them were of the zealous 'new born' variety. We had some interesting, heated discussions in the early days, but after a couple of years it kind of became irrelevant. I had my viewpoint, they had theirs and although they repeatedly tried to get me to go along to their meeting things, I guess we respected each other's beliefs.
Sentiment appreciated, anyway. ;)
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Originally posted by Dowding:
Dropping aid like they are doing is not only ineffective and a waste of money, but also endangers the neutrality of NGOs working in the region.
Those yellow bags have done more for the Afghan black market than for the children eating grass around the refugee camps.
Aid should be distributed through the NGOs in a disciplined way to minimise the chance that hawkers and their ilk will get their dirty hands on it. I also think alot of it is getting passed to Taliban fighters.
It's a cornerstone of all religion, IMO.
Dowding,
The UN announced today that the Taliban forcibly took over all of the UN's warehouses that held food and other supplies.
So much for NGO's and the Taliban's respect for them.
Cobra
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Well, dropping bombs on aid warehouses is also... how shall I put it... counter-productive?
As far as I know, the stores seized were in Kabul and Khandahar, and both are Taliban strongholds. There are other distribtion near the borders, which are the real crisis areas. Refugee camps in Iran and Pakistan are bordering on collapse.
"In accordance with international law, the borders must be open to civilians seeking refuge. At the same time, the international community must send swift and generous help, so that refugees do not become an impossible burden on the neighbouring States."
- Secret.-Gen., UN
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i agree with voss, the kids have to be fed
kill the terrorists ...feed the afgans
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Well, dropping bombs on aid warehouses is also... how shall I put it... counter-productive?
Yep saw film of the warehouse.... one; maybe 2 pallets mighta got scorched.
The sacks on the pallets said USA.
The USA giveth; the USA taketh away.
War is Hell.
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I doubt that much of the food is going to the Taliban(they are dropping them on refugee camps, not cities), but I would wager that a good percent is going to the black market.
Those are "battle meals", extremely high in fat content and calories, to say nothing of the sugar. Not good for someone on a regular diet(can you say, "the runs"), but in lieu of other food, they are a good thing.
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times change...
don't recall being buddy buddy with the citizens of Tokyo or Berlin while we were dropping bombs on their pointie heads..
if/when the citizens of the gov we are at war with get sick and tired enough, maybe just maybe they'd do something about it themselves...
UN screaming for a cease fire to feed em. Sorry they are starving but they have been starving way b4 9/11. we aren't out to fix global starvation, just to kill a couple thousand crazed towel headed nutcases..
weird way to conduct a war..I know we are bombing you but we are really your friend. sheesh..
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So the American policy over there is the targetting of the civilian population? You see nothing wrong with that, Eagler?
If that is what you are saying, perhaps we should emulate the shelling of Grozny by the Russians. Why bother with all this great, laser guided, hit a window in the dark on a foggy day, zero casualty crap and just nuke the entire place? They're just a bunch of heathen infidels after all.
Hangtime/Eagler - the repeated use of the word Raghead, Towelhead etc is a classic case of de-humanising an ethnic group. The Nazis were very much into it, for example. It's a great motivator for hatred and a brilliant way to justify just about anything you like. After all, 'the only good raghead is a dead raghead'. Right?
The ironic thing is that the Islamic fundamentalists do the exact same thing via the word 'infidel'. 'The only good infidel is a dead infidel' probably has an arabic equivalent.
[ 10-17-2001: Message edited by: Dowding ]
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Obviously, we are NOT deliberately targeting civilians.
You are just stirring the soup... again.
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Comrade Commisar Dowding is a classic.
I suppose you also want the war to stop for a few days so your precious UN/UNICEF/REDCROSS and Stupid Western Idealist College Student Volunteer Peace/Aid-Groups (read: neo-commie studmuffingots) whatevers can go in a feed the "people". Cuz surely the folksy and wholesome Taliban share their views and would respect them. You seem like a reasonably intelligent fellow and I apologize for some of the name calling, but you leftists are so naive sometimes.
And now you go insinuating that the US deliberatly targets civilans.
Unbelivable......
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Dowding
an individual who wears a towel on his head and screams "death to america" is a towel head / raghead in my book. Not all Muslims fall into that category just as all germans were not Nazis in WW2. I can make the distinction without any problems. We have a muslim family that lives 6 houses down on our street. Nice family, quiet, keeps the house up, no problems. They are not ragheads. If they burned an American flag in their yard, they'd be ragheads.
Is that clearer?
sorry it bothers you so
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Nevermind :)
-SW
[ 10-17-2001: Message edited by: SWulfe ]
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You people have done gone and made dirty butt love to my topic :mad:
can we just mfocus our contempt on the Taleban for now.. bush/clinton/whoever else will be here longer than they will... hehe.
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I was taking the piss, for a start, Toad. I thought that was blatantly obvious - of course the US/UK forces aren't targetting civilians. There is no set of circumstances in which that would occur, as far as I can see.
Stirring the soup? A relative term. Some people would consider any deviation from unanimity just that. ;)
Come on Eagler. So now Raghead is a technical term with a conditional definition all of its own? I'm sorry I missed that. Perhaps you have two definitions for the word 'cupcake', also? Both slurs fall into the same category, as far as I see it.
Feel free to use them. I'll feel just as free to voice my derision.
Grunherz - that is a bizarre apology. If you are going to keep calling names, then why apologise?
[ 10-18-2001: Message edited by: Dowding ]
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Originally posted by Dowding:
Come on Eagler. So now Raghead is a technical term with a conditional definition all of its own? I'm sorry I missed that. Perhaps you have two definitions for the word 'cupcake', also? Both slurs fall into the same category, as far as I see it.
[ 10-18-2001: Message edited by: Dowding ]
Well, now that you mentioned it, there are. The "N" word means one thing when an African American says it to another African American vs johny reb redneck saying it to an African American...straying abit off topic, sry.
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Isn't it ironic how the Talibans claim they are not eating that food, yet cry foul when an F-18 blew up a warehouse of it :)
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True, Eagler. But I've no idea how widespread its use is. Sure, we see it in films and your average gangsta rappa is fond of it, but that's not necessarily a reflection of reality.
Still, I dislike racial name calling. Always have done.
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Originally posted by LePaul:
Isn't it ironic how the Talibans claim they are not eating that food, yet cry foul when an F-18 blew up a warehouse of it :)
lol, too funny coincidence ;)