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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Pieper on March 20, 2006, 12:16:24 AM
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All fellow airmen....
I just have a small statement to make.
Now that side evening has been in effect for a long time and I have been studying it, I see that it dosent work.
If you will take time to listen instead of turning your nose up right away, I will explain.
I have flown for one country since I joined this game. Never swaping sides. When I started...we won some...we lost some. No biggie.
Now that the eny is goin strong, it seems the same except that when we are wining I suffer by not being able to fly what I want.
In shot, side evening dosent work.....The people that change sides to always be on the winning team still do so, and it seems always will.
Henceforth I pose a question..... If I stick with my country through the bad, why should I have to change to the loosing country when we are doin good to be able to do what I want in the plane I want?
For some of us its a matter of loyalty....to the squad we are in....to the fellow countrymen we fly with every day.
When I'm loosing...I can except that. But why.....when we fight ourselves out of a hole, should I have to except being downgraded to a high eny plane just because some other players want to come over and win reset points? They dont even care what they have to fly...They lookin for points on my team when they dont belong there and high eny planes give them even more.
I truly think more consideration should be given to the side swaping rule. Mabye leave eny in, but consider not letting people change to the winning country any time they feel like it, collecting points.....then moving on the next mourning, on their primary country puttin us back in the hole.
I propose that some sort of side swaping rule be put into effect so this stops.
Pieper
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I'm pretty sure you can only change countries every 12 hours. I think it used to be 24 hours. If this were extended, I think it would help without causing too much disruption in people's lives. I'm one who never changes countries though, so I'm not very representative.
I've never seen ENY limits go over 8 myself. That only disables the perked planes, the LA-7, and maybe 3 fighters below those. I haven't really looked myself, being one who flies Yak-9Ts, Mossies, and IL-2s. Really screws with the GVers though; disabling the Tiger and leaving them without any heavy armor.
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How about making the ENY limits only apply to people who have swapped sides in the last 7 days?
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New ENY gripe
:lol
New you say? What's "new" about it?
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Originally posted by eagl
How about making the ENY limits only apply to people who have swapped sides in the last 7 days?
Well, im afraid people would just swap sides to avoid ENY then. Easy: Change when you log off, then change back when you come on the next day, and you never betray your chess piece loyalty.
BTW, i think country time limit is 6 hours currently.
Still too long in my book, but i understand the need for that limit - yesterday i was Knight all afternoon (*heavily* outnumbered, so ENY was a real relief for us), swtiched to rook later when numbers were more even, to fly with a friend. 4 Hours later i was unable to find a fight because of the Rook horde that had logged on again - unfortunatly i had to log, since i was 2 hours away from a sideswitch....
Edit: On the ENY thing.... it was overboards yesterday. I agree. But so were the numbers: Rook 103, Bish 78, Knight 40....... I mean - COME ON, we needed all the advantages we could get. At one point we had two Bish fighters helping us CAP a rook base - >S< and thank you for that, was much appreciated.
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Originally posted by Morpheus
:lol
New you say? What's "new" about it?
whats new about it is that we've been living with it for over a year in its original form......I just think that it might need some modification.
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If people were swapping sides to avoid ENY, then that would be perfect, balancing the arena as intended. And the old-timers and squad players who pick a country and stay with it wouldn't get hurt by all the side changers who always just switch to whoever's winning.
I guess I don't see what's wrong with what you said Schatzi... If they switch sides, they get whacked by ENY if their country is being handicapped due to imbalance. Switching sides prior to logging out doesn't do anything but ensure that they'll always be vulnerable to the ENY the next time they log back in. The only way they can avoid the ENY penalty is to either fly for the outnumbered side or not switch sides for more than a week. As soon as they switch sides though, they become vulnerable again. I propose making it at least 7 days so people who play only one day a week can't game the system. Call it the homesteading ENY penalty exemption :)
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Originally posted by Schatzi
Well, im afraid people would just swap sides to avoid ENY then. Easy: Change when you log off, then change back when you come on the next day, and you never betray your chess piece loyalty.
BTW, i think country time limit is 6 hours currently.
Still too long in my book, but i understand the need for that limit - yesterday i was Knight all afternoon (*heavily* outnumbered, so ENY was a real relief for us), swtiched to rook later when numbers were more even, to fly with a friend. 4 Hours later i was unable to find a fight because of the Rook horde that had logged on again - unfortunatly i had to log, since i was 2 hours away from a sideswitch....
Edit: On the ENY thing.... it was overboards yesterday. I agree. But so were the numbers: Rook 103, Bish 78, Knight 40....... I mean - COME ON, we needed all the advantages we could get. At one point we had two Bish fighters helping us CAP a rook base - >S< and thank you for that, was much appreciated.
Precisely my point......you think all those people were loyal Rooks?
Alot of them were people just wanting to fight on the winning side....I think the side swaping time should be longer to fix this.
On an average primetime day...when countrys are even...the numbers are even. Its only when one country gets a clear advantage that their numbers grow because of side swaping......so in effect eny dosent phase these people. The side swaping crowd just wants to horde like you said.
Personally, I dont want them with me.
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Heres another idea....
At the beginning of the map you get to choose your country....any you like but the only way you can leave is if your country has the highest numbers in or out of the game. Until all sides even.
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Originally posted by Pieper
Heres another idea....
At the beginning of the map you get to choose your country....any you like but the only way you can leave is if your country has the highest numbers in or out of the game. Until all sides even.
Well, im sorry, but that would definitly disrupt the gameplay for people that have no "chess piece loyalty".
Harshly put it would mean: "So I cant fly with the people i want to because you dont want to fly low ENY planes".
Now i know thats not what you mean, but im afraid that how many a whine will take it.
When i was still in 71Sqn and flying Knit permanently, i hated those times as well. No good fight anywhere, just green masses. Now, i just change to the country with the lowest number/bases and get gangbanged :).
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IMHO.... This is and always will be a two fold argument. The ability to change countries at the drop of a hat allows ENY to limit plane usage.
My only suggestion to fix this is to perk changing countries. Make it the same as the perk bonus if a country wins the war.... 25 perks across the board.
This would stop people from changing countries just for the perk points. It would allow movement for those who just like to move every now and then. It would stabilize the teams somewhat, and it would limit the people who change countries to spy on CV locations. And it's a reasonable amount.
New players would have the option of changing countries three times during their trial period at no charge. After that, they must spend their perks to change countries.
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The 25 perks across the board might be a bit much but it's a suggestion. It could be 25 perks from one category that the player could select. Or it could be 25 perks from each of two categories.
The point is make changing countries cost something. If you were a pilot and changed countries in the middle of the war you most likely would have lost everything you own, so this is a minor inconvenience from my point of view.
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That sounds like a good idea NHawk. I guess it could work. I wouldnt mind a few perkies for a switch.
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For some of us its a matter of loyalty....to the squad we are in....to the fellow countrymen we fly with every day.
Then it looks to me like this is not a problem of ENY. Rather, the problem is that you and your squad are too stubborn to switch it up, and try out the other countries. This is a game, ok. There is no father land. There will be no burnings of bodies in any town squares. The men in black suits will not come and take you and your family away to a slave camp... if you switch sides.
Oh yeah.
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Morph, just because you and I switch country regularly, that doesnt mean that everyone does it. Some people have a different approach to game and "loyalty" for their country. They have the same right to staying in their country without having gameplay disrupted as others have to switch country freely. Thats not neccessarily whining. Your comments get old after a while.
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This thread isnt just about eny.....Its also about side swaping that causes eny.
I genuinely believe this subject needs some attention and I'm sure manny will agree....except for the ones who use an advantage in the war as an oppertunity to horde in one area. These people arent tryin to win the war...but they ruin it for us that are. They also ruin it for those of us just wanting to have fun in certain planes. Last night eny got up to 22....and this has become a normal thing for the country in the lead. I've seen it even higher. Why, when I am fighting the war should I have to leave my country to get gangbanged by the people who came to my country because they were loosing to us?
If that makes any sence to someone let me know.
Pieper
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Originally posted by OOZ662
I've never seen ENY limits go over 8 myself.
I'll take 8 any day of the week. Try 33. An ENY that high is quite frustrating for a GVer since your are limited to T34s and grounder (Baseball phrase used as slang for "Easy") cannon fodder such as M8s, M16s, and M3s. When fighting a base that is defended by 1 or 2 Tigers and a small air cap it's no longer a challenge, it's a slaughter.
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Morph said
There is no father land. There will be no burnings of bodies in any town squares. The men in black suits will not come and take you and your family away to a slave camp... if you switch sides.
I said
Why, when I am fighting the war should I have to leave my country to get gangbanged by the people who came to my country because they were loosing to us?
If that makes any sence to someone let me know.
What sounds more intellegent and makes more sence?
Pieper
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At least you're winning and not trying to enjoy the game when your team is outnumbered greatly. I find the game very 'annoying' when the sides are out of balance (even when my side is the horde).
Knights been hurtin lately...lol.
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Enforcer, i well understand that. But 40 Knits vs 180 Bish/Rook is slaughter as well. I was actually quite happy to have to fight P47 D40/D25 etc and not LA7 and Spit16 en masses.
Pieper, youre making perfect sense to me there. Im not sure though how you can stop the dweebish masses from taking the easy way (=horde side) to kills.
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This isn't directed at any one person, but you know... Posting just to post doesn't solve anything and usually lowers the value of an individuals merit when they do have a good suggestion.
Think before you answer comments or questions regarding game issues. Ask yourself these questions...
Does the topic have merit?
Does the topic affect individual game play?
Does the topic affect overall game play?
In this case, the answers are yes to all three. So now it's not time to bash the person who wrote the topic, it's time to think of suggestions that may or may not be used by HT to improve the situation. And it's time to voice valid opinions on why you feel it does or does not affect the above.
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Casper1 you're preaching to the choir. The side inballance sucks both ways and in my true heartfelt belief, eny dissablements are not helping. The horders still horde to the country with the ad vantage no matter the plane. Its easy to kill a La-7 with a P-40 or even SBD when numbers so out of ballance.
The whole purpose for eny in first place was to even the sides. Here lately (months on end), it has and will continue to fail. Ithink we need something to go along with eny to keep the sideswaping down so that players of one country who never change arent hurt so bad.
What are we supposed to do? Change to the country that we are killing and build them back up?
Pieper
Why, when I am fighting the war should I have to leave my country to get gangbanged by the people who came to my country because they were loosing to us?
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pieper sorry but you get more perks flying for team with lowest number than you get for reset. 1 sortie out numbered greatly can get you 40 to 100 perks if in right plane and land multi kills. flew la5 got 7 kills 1 sortie ended up with 89 perks. I myself changed alot to side with less numbers. I don't think anyone changes to try to get 25 perks and if someone does its not for 25 perks. next time rooks have big numbers flim your sorties i bet you see alot of hurri 2 p40's la5's flying. I have film of 125 rooks 78 bish and 36 knits and 8 of us defending base were in hurri 2's and spit 5's not 1 la7. i think it works fine about best you can do unless you go to 2 sides.
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Originally posted by rod367th
pieper sorry but you get more perks flying for team with lowest number than you get for reset. 1 sortie out numbered greatly can get you 40 to 100 perks if in right plane and land multi kills. flew la5 got 7 kills 1 sortie ended up with 89 perks. I myself changed alot to side with less numbers. I don't think anyone changes to try to get 25 perks and if someone does its not for 25 perks. next time rooks have big numbers flim your sorties i bet you see alot of hurri 2 p40's la5's flying. I have film of 125 rooks 78 bish and 36 knits and 8 of us defending base were in hurri 2's and spit 5's not 1 la7. i think it works fine about best you can do unless you go to 2 sides.
Its not working then, one team having a 22 eny is not as balanced as it could be......and thats getting to be normal. We don't want the horde of sideswappers. There not Rooks unless we are winning, and there a henderence. Of corse they come to winning country for 25 perks.....It's more than they can earn in a week of real fighting.
Why, when I am fighting the war should I have to leave my country to get gangbanged by the people who came to my country because they were loosing to us?
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A horde is a horde is a horde.
Better idea.
You can change countries once per tour
And only if your current country has more numbers then the country your switching to at that particular time
Enforce ENY by zone rather then the entire country
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Part of the problem is the myth that you can switch sides to the side that is going to win and get perk points.
You can switch sides every 6 hours now ... not 12 hours. One must be a member of the country for 6 hours or more to get reset perk points.
Most people jump to the most populated country due to the fact that they couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag and can't find their ACM arse with both hands.
These are the people that NEED to fly with the horde inorder to be successful or get perks. As Rod pointed out ... if they flew with the outnumbered team ... upped an early war ride and killed at least 2 people per sortie ... they would gain more perks in 1/2 hour than what they would get for the silly reset. Just last week I flew 2 sorties and got over 200 perks ... that is equal to 8 resets.
ENY has the ability to bite all countries ... and it does. If you choose to fly for only one country, then when it hits your country ... suck it up and learn to fly the other rides. It becomes an invaluable experience when having to fight them on other occasions.
Why is that those who come to post concerns over ENY all have to point out that it's a problem only when it effects them. Never have I seen someone who was on the chitty end of the stick come in here and complain that ENY should be changed so that those who are steamrolling them should be able to fly all the late war monsters and kick their butt even harder.
There is nothing wrong with side switching as it stands now. Myself and our squad enjoys the current freedom to switch sides. We generally switch to the side that has the LEAST amount of players cause that is where the fights are. Flying for the country that has the most amount of players is extremely boring.
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Slapshot.......you're missin the whole picture....LOL
QUOTE]Never have I seen someone who was on the chitty end of the stick come in here and complain that ENY should be changed so that those who are steamrolling them should be able to fly all the late war monsters and kick their butt even harder.[/QUOTE]
Those are the people who's whines created eny....which was designed to even sides. Not give you more perkies. Do you see it evening sides? Looks to me like you are missusing the arena.
Why, when I am fighting the wargame should I have to leave my country to get gangbanged by the people who came to my country because they were loosing to us?[
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LMAO last night about 9 pm est there were approx 170 bish , 170 knits , 270 rooks. The eny is fine cheaper temps and more targets. What, you want privileges because you are side loyal .
Approx how many squads are always rooks ? If this were to apply to all rook squads the eny would be in effect useless. You would use the side switches as cannon fodder while you pick with high eny planes.
Nahhh its fine where it is.
Bronk
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
A horde is a horde is a horde.
Better idea.
You can change countries once per tour
And only if your current country has more numbers then the country your switching to at that particular time
Enforce ENY by zone rather then the entire country
Now there is an idea . Or from base of origin Big mission ups and the tag along pickers get stuck flying A6m2 or m8 . that would stop the hoard I'd think.
Bronk
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Originally posted by Bronk
LMAO last night about 9 pm est there were approx 170 bish , 170 knits , 270 rooks. The eny is fine cheaper temps and more targets. What, you want privileges because you are side loyal .
Approx how many squads are always rooks ? If this were to apply to all rook squads the eny would be in effect useless. You would use the side switches as cannon fodder while you pick with high eny planes.
Nahhh its fine where it is.
Bronk
Precisely my point.....ENY was designed to stop those numbers.....I want them stoped as do many other players. Obviously its not doing what it was designed for......we need to slow down the sideswapping to even the numbers.
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Precisely my point.....ENY was designed to stop those numbers.....I want them stoped as do many other players. Obviously its not doing what it was designed for......we need to slow down the sideswapping to even the numbers.
It was not designed to stop those numbers. It was designed to minimize the side imbalnces.
And it has done so. To belive other wise is very selective memory of how long the side imablances used to last.
HiTech
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Surely ye jest.
I can see stopping perked planes and such, but when people cant up B24s, B-26s, P-51s and the sort....no, I disagree. Cannon-birds, maybe...but seeing ENYs in the mid 20s just makes me log out.
If you color that success, I dont agree.
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Originally posted by Pieper
Slapshot.......you're missin the whole picture....LOL
Never have I seen someone who was on the chitty end of the stick come in here and complain that ENY should be changed so that those who are steamrolling them should be able to fly all the late war monsters and kick their butt even harder.
Those are the people who's whines created eny....which was designed to even sides. Not give you more perkies. Do you see it evening sides? Looks to me like you are missusing the arena.
Why, when I am fighting the wargame should I have to leave my country to get gangbanged by the people who came to my country because they were loosing to us?[ [/B]
No ... I don't think I am. The picture is ... your getting stung by ENY and don't like it and your blaming it on those who jump to the over-populated country because they THINK that they will get perks for winning the bloody war ... I call BS ... simple as that.
ENY ... it's design was to entice people to switch sides (to the lower number countries) if they wanted to fly the lower ENY planes ... and at the same time limit the over-populated country to higher ENY planes in the hopes that the under-populated country could put up a fight using the lower ENY planes. Bottom line ... balancing sides is still left up to us ... HT just gave some of us incentives to want to switch sides and the ability to do it every 6 hours.
There are plently of us (squads and individuals) that actually TRY to balance by always switching to the side with the least amount of numbers so that you "loyal to one chess piece" people really don't get stung by ENY all that often.
Bottom line ... SUCK IT UP AND FLY.
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Fairly certain the switch time is 5 hours. And this is anything but a "new" gripe.
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Originally posted by LePaul
Surely ye jest.
I can see stopping perked planes and such, but when people cant up B24s, B-26s, P-51s and the sort....no, I disagree. Cannon-birds, maybe...but seeing ENYs in the mid 20s just makes me log out.
If you color that success, I dont agree.
Up ju88s , Ki 67 , bf 109 g2 ,g6 and here is an idea jump to a lower number side for the night.
logging out is your decision . I don't care as long as there is some semblance of balance.
Bronk
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Originally posted by Schatzi
Well, im afraid people would just swap sides to avoid ENY then. Easy: Change when you log off, then change back when you come on the next day, and you never betray your chess piece loyalty.
BTW, i think country time limit is 6 hours currently.
Still too long in my book, but i understand the need for that limit - yesterday i was Knight all afternoon (*heavily* outnumbered, so ENY was a real relief for us), swtiched to rook later when numbers were more even, to fly with a friend. 4 Hours later i was unable to find a fight because of the Rook horde that had logged on again - unfortunatly i had to log, since i was 2 hours away from a sideswitch....
Edit: On the ENY thing.... it was overboards yesterday. I agree. But so were the numbers: Rook 103, Bish 78, Knight 40....... I mean - COME ON, we needed all the advantages we could get. At one point we had two Bish fighters helping us CAP a rook base - >S< and thank you for that, was much appreciated.
You switched chess pieces to fly with a friend? You traitor:)
:D
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just learn to fly planes with a lower eny, to me they are more fun to fly
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There has been a shift in the winds lately. People seem to prefer to switch to the side that wins resets more often than fly outnumbered in better planes.
Maybe the timer needs to be associated with frequency. That is, you can change once every 12 hours the first time. Then your timer is bumped to 24 hours. If you change again a day later it goes to 2 days. Then 4 days, etc. For every day you don't change sides it decrements by one. Or something like that.
That would allow the people who want to balance sides to do so when needed, but prevent the fair weather flyers from tilting the odds so out of proportion.
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Well, Gonzo, that has just a small problem: I wanted to switch back last night, to even the odds and couldnt because of the timer.... i was basically "forced" to horde.
Silat: Guess who made me do that.......:eek: :t :D
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It was not designed to stop those numbers. It was designed to minimize the side imbalnces.
The side imballances are the numbers I'm referring to. They have been awful here lately and eny dosent get people to leave. They have done exactly as others have saidand learned to fly higher valued planes just so long as they can be in a horde of vulchers.
Trust me, a horde IS a horde, no matter what planes they are in.
I dont mind flyin the 110 and 47-D40....planes like that but its getting to be every night.
Mabye it will balance out again but in my opinion right now it is out of hand.
Pieper
Why, when I am fighting the war should I have to leave my country to get gangbanged by the people who came to my country because they were loosing to us?
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NO SOUP FOR YOU!!
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Note what HTC said: since the ENY came in, the oscillations in numbers happen faster, meaning that the overall imbalance remains for a shorter period before evening itself out. That matches what I've seen before and after the ENY came in.
Even since the ENY, the high side has swung from one chess piece to another. The rooks were high when ENY came, and the hordes were the worst I've seen Sunday after Sunday. (Newer folks may not realize that sunday evenings EST have been chock-full-o'rooks for literally years, probably due to squad nites and average age factors. Don't use Sunday pm's to make overall generalizations!) The Nits and the Bish have ahd their days in the numerical sun, and now its the rooks again, at least on Sunday Pms. However, those proportions are not fixed: at some hours even now, I've seen Bish grossly outnumbering all comers.
Hang in, and the Sine wave will return to baseline!
BTW, I think the big numbers happen less because of perk-chasing side jumpers and more because the disadvantaged log off in frustration....so before proposing a fix, make sure you've correctly identified the problem!!
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I'm used to seeing cyclic hordes - squad nites, etc. - but until recently the numbers elsewhere remained predictable and more or less consistent during those spikes.
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My squad left rookland at the start of the month because it turned into a big horde.
last saturday rooks had +40 players on nits all day and bish about +30
nits been getting ganged by both hordes recently ENY has to encourage people to even teams....
I'm sure all sides have their peaks but if it takes numbers to win a war i guess the game has achieved ultimate realism.
:)
Bring on the perks !
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First of all in responce to OOZ's claim that he has never seen the ENY higher than 7...Well you have obviously never flown rooks...We are consistently upper 20's sometimes high 30's when we are winning wars! It is ridiculous...Here is what I propose....Every morning when the scores are updated, you can only obtain "win the war points" when on the country you were loyal to at the time of score update...OR make it so a player has to be with a country for a mininum of six hours before eligible to be awarded points for the war being won...I think this will show a major cut back in side switching for points, and help keep our ENY down....
Okay one more gripe that pisses me off even more...It's bas enough we have these salamanders switching sides to get points because they cant score points themselves, and they fight alongside of us and bring up our ENY...But its even worse when you have some dweeb that switches sides late in the AM and just leaves his game logged in as he is gone and wait's for the reset and his points as he sleeps! Last night around 2am Eastern the rooks had the same 40 odd people sitting in the tower away from their game hoping to get points...I propose a server limit time? If someone is sitting in tower in active for more than 45 minutes than the host should drop their connection and log them out....There is no valid arguement in favor of allowing players to sit idle in the tower for 45 minutes...No reason you should stay logged in, whether its because you are waiting for points, or you left your game logged in to go get lunch...tough...Log back in after lunch it takes 30 seconds....
opinions?
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I think that before you guys start getting really pissed about ENY and the other players, you should learn how ENY works. Jast saing.
Oh, hey, did you ever think that the only reason you are winning is because you have the numbers? Prolly not eh? You think it is because Rook/Bish/Nits are just better :rofl
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Originally posted by cav58d
First of all in responce to OOZ's claim that he has never seen the ENY higher than 7...Well you have obviously never flown rooks...We are consistently upper 20's sometimes high 30's when we are winning wars! It is ridiculous...Here is what I propose....Every morning when the scores are updated, you can only obtain "win the war points" when on the country you were loyal to at the time of score update...OR make it so a player has to be with a country for a mininum of six hours before eligible to be awarded points for the war being won...I think this will show a major cut back in side switching for points, and help keep our ENY down....
opinions?
You never have been able to switch sides and recieve the war win perk points. It works now exactly as you wish it to.
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I'm not sure people sitting in the tower contribute to ENY or not, but I have noticed these jerks lounging around the ready room in crusted over pants poring over thier copies of "Sheep 'Uns." (A "Married with Children" reference there.)
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Originally posted by cav58d
First of all in responce to OOZ's claim that he has never seen the ENY higher than 7...Well you have obviously never flown rooks...We are consistently upper 20's sometimes high 30's when we are winning wars! It is ridiculous...Here is what I propose....Every morning when the scores are updated, you can only obtain "win the war points" when on the country you were loyal to at the time of score update...OR make it so a player has to be with a country for a mininum of six hours before eligible to be awarded points for the war being won...I think this will show a major cut back in side switching for points, and help keep our ENY down....
Okay one more gripe that pisses me off even more...It's bas enough we have these salamanders switching sides to get points because they cant score points themselves, and they fight alongside of us and bring up our ENY...But its even worse when you have some dweeb that switches sides late in the AM and just leaves his game logged in as he is gone and wait's for the reset and his points as he sleeps! Last night around 2am Eastern the rooks had the same 40 odd people sitting in the tower away from their game hoping to get points...I propose a server limit time? If someone is sitting in tower in active for more than 45 minutes than the host should drop their connection and log them out....There is no valid arguement in favor of allowing players to sit idle in the tower for 45 minutes...No reason you should stay logged in, whether its because you are waiting for points, or you left your game logged in to go get lunch...tough...Log back in after lunch it takes 30 seconds....
opinions?
I thought ENY was based on the # of people in flight.
HiTech?
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okay thank you HT...I thought anyone on the winning side got points no matter how long they have been there....Glad that has been cleared up...
Now what about people in tower....does that contribute to ENY or is it just in flight?
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Yep, way too match whinning about something they dont even know how it works
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Originally posted by cav58d
okay thank you HT...I thought anyone on the winning side got points no matter how long they have been there....Glad that has been cleared up...
Now what about people in tower....does that contribute to ENY or is it just in flight?
What difference does it make? I get a few minutes here and there, rarely as long as an hour, where I can log in and get some flight time. If my wife calls me away for dinner, or to help with a project in the house, or whatever, I'll be damned if I'm going to log out and then log back in again, wasting a good 5 minutes it takes me to get logged back in, just to keep your precious ENY 2 points lower.
Next time before you call people names and rant and rave, try asking some questions about why things are the way they are and how things work. Your 500 word post could have been reduced to about 20, and offended no one. You would have gotten the same information.
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
There has been a shift in the winds lately. People seem to prefer to switch to the side that wins resets more often than fly outnumbered in better planes.
Maybe the timer needs to be associated with frequency. That is, you can change once every 12 hours the first time. Then your timer is bumped to 24 hours. If you change again a day later it goes to 2 days. Then 4 days, etc. For every day you don't change sides it decrements by one. Or something like that.
That would allow the people who want to balance sides to do so when needed, but prevent the fair weather flyers from tilting the odds so out of proportion.
I wouldn't like to see that Dok ... It's possible for me to change countries every night I log in ... I check the map ... check the roster ... switch countries accordingly.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
I wouldn't like to see that Dok ... It's possible for me to change countries every night I log in ... I check the map ... check the roster ... switch countries accordingly.
Folks like you ain't the problem, SlapShot. It's the folks who do the same checks and switch the opposite way.
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See Rule #4
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Hehe, who's on the power trip? You are the one trying to dictate how we play for our 14.95 a month man. Ban this and disallow that.
Bah.
I spend my money the same as you do. The only one who gets to dictate rules to me here is HTC, and thats cause they own it. I'll make sure to log some tower time tonight for you. :)
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ENY is fine... Just cause you cannot up an LA7 or Spit16 doesnt mean its broken. Hell, The other night Rook ENY was 37.
Learn to fly different planes and use different GVs
All are effective if used properly.
Dont go chasing a pack of LA7's in a P40E
I've been flying the 190A8's or the 109G14 alot lately or even the 38J
ENY is only in effect when one side has a # advantage... Fly with your squad or where the #s are and you should be fine
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Well the ENY rearly effects me, due to 75% of the time I am flying 35+ eny planes. The only thing I disagree with about the ENY is that it should NOT effect perked planes. IMO if your willing to PAY for a plane then it should be available to you no matter what the ENY is.
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That one I'll agree with. My regular ride is a 45 ENY plane, so it doesnt bother me in the least. But if you are willing to spend the points you should be able to take out a perk ride.
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I agree.....just make the side-switchers pay the 25 perks out of each category and you won't see people switching to be on the winning side (because they think they will be awarded perks). Most people in the game don't know you have to be with a country for at least 6 hours to get winning perks but I've seen a lot stay online in the game for 6 hours or more at a time.
Remove the perks from side switching problem and I'm sure there will be a lot less of it happening.
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If you don't want to be penalized with ENY switch to Knights, I can only remember 2 times in the past 2 months that we had ENY penalizing our side!!!
There are some players from knights that switch sides when we are heavely outnumbered, but IMHO the reason the ENY snowballs is because alot of knights just log off because they are tired of constantly being outnumbered 3 to 1 in the furballs.
Fly for Knights for a week straight and you will see why ENY is necessary, and you will probably start to feel that it does not kick in soon enough or hard enough!! Before you give me crap about crying, I dare you to just try it!! Fly for Knights for a week straight and you will see what a nightmare this game would be without ENY!!!
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Question for HiTech?
Can you publish the formula that you use for ENY. It seems like when the numbers of players in the MA are on the low side (like under 175 players, M-F, 5AM-3PM), that even when a side is heavely outnumbered that ENY does not kick in. Many days i have seen it like:
70 - Rook
60 - Bish
35 - Knit
and ENY does not kick in, but
140 - Rook
120 - Bish
70 - Knit
and ENY does go into effect.
Both scenerios are the same ratio of players, but it seems like if the number of players is low in the MA (like Non Prime Time), that it takes a higher ratio mis-balance to kick in the ENY penalty. I would like to see ENY kick in the same when the MA numbers are low, as it is even a bigger disadvantage for the short sided team when the total number of players is lower.
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There has to be a minimum number of players online for ENY to kick in. IIRC 150 or 200 or something like that.
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Richard have posted it in the last month. Do a search.
HiTech
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Originally posted by hitech
HiTech
= PUTZ
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I don't see the big deal. Fly an F4U1, problem solved.
I also don't believe increasing the wait time to switch countries will solve much. There is a good core of us who will switch to the lower side, hop in a 5-10 perk Tempest, and go to town. If we were to be stuck for days or a month in a country that we tried to help out at first, but then which all of a sudden got huge, things would be very, very bad - not because we'd be stuck in high ENY planes, but because we'd be stuck fighting over tablescraps with the rest of you jackals :D
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Originally posted by Heater
= PUTZ
:lol
*That* time of the year again..... :D
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Was the question ever answered as to if ENY looks at total people per country or just the number in flight per country?
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Originally posted by cav58d
See Rule #4
Just ask before you get really really really really pissed off next time :cry
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Here is a suggestion......
If people want to switch sides, that is their option. And, it is their $14.95 and they are welcome to play in the manner they see fit. I, personally, have only flown on one country and see no need in switching sides. But if someone else wants to, have at it. The grass is just as green flying for the Bishes as it is for the Rooks and Knits.
But as a matter of compromise to this topic...... One could, at first log on to each map, choose a country. Then they must stick with that country until the next reset. At the change of maps, each player/squad could again choose the country they wish to fly. This would prevent side switching for the purpose of "being on the winning" country. At the onset of each map, you will have to bet on which country will win and then fight for it. If you want to be on the winning side... then fight to achieve it.
Personally, I think the ENY limiter is interesting and adds a bit of flavor to the game. It has, at times, limited me from flying the Nik or Spit 16, but so what? That means I just up a Hurri and get more Perkies when I shoot down another plane.
So, that is my humble opinion... but you know what they say about opinions. :-)
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Thanks HiTech, I found the thread that explains the formula:
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=171446&highlight=hitech+formula
This confirms that i am not going crazy, because during the daytime non prime time hours I never notice ENY kicking in, and it is confirmed from your formula that there needs to be 200 total players for the formaula to start.
I know I may be opening up a can of worms here, and many people will acuse me of being a troll, but i would like to request that you consider allowing ENY to kick in when the number of players is lower then 200. My reasons to justify this are as follows:
On M-F from about 4AM to 3PM the total number of players in the MA is almost always under 200. And the way it has been the past 2-3 months my side (Knights, yes i know i am crying now) is usually heavely out numbered during this period. Sometimes as bad as this:
60 -Rook
60 - Bish
30 - Knit
and the ENY does not kick in, now i know why (because of the 200 rule).
When you only have 30 players, and are outnumbered 2 to 1 by each side, and then those two sides double team your side because you are easy pickins, ENY sure would be useful to try to encourage side balancing.
I am sure you have a reason on why you feel 200 is the correct number, But i would appreciate it if you would consider lowering that number. My butt is starting to get sore from all the shells I am catching in it during Non Prime Time MA play ( which happens to be almost 40% of total possible playing time.
I think when the total number of players is lower, it is more of a disadvantage being outnumbered, but your formula makes the opposit true, and only when the total number of players is high (>200) does ENY take effect. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the ENY when the MA numbers are high, but I feel it is even more important to have it when the numbers are low!!!
Thanx for listining to my rant, and yes I know I am crying, but that is because my butt is hurting from all the shells that are getting rammed up it during Non Prime Time MA play.
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I like the current eny system all except for perk rides. I feel if u have the loot to fly them, U should be able to regardless of the eny value. The cost for these perk rides go up as the eny goes up. So why can't we fly perk rides even if the cost goes up?
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Originally posted by NCLawman
But as a matter of compromise to this topic...... One could, at first log on to each map, choose a country. Then they must stick with that country until the next reset. At the change of maps, each player/squad could again choose the country they wish to fly. This would prevent side switching for the purpose of "being on the winning" country. At the onset of each map, you will have to bet on which country will win and then fight for it. If you want to be on the winning side... then fight to achieve it.
You have to remember that there are some of us who have absolutely no interest in winning the war whatsoever. You also have to remember that side #s can fluctuate greatly between resets, which don't always happen that often.
Finally, it's worth noting that people who often switch sides to the outnumbered country generally have some idea of how to put up a good fight. If you ever look at the roster for a country that's outnumbered 4 to 1, you'll often think it looks like an Allstar Game. (I'm not claiming to be one of the members). My point is, taking away such players' ability to switch to the country getting ganged will do even more harm to the country with less people.
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Originally posted by Donzo
Was the question ever answered as to if ENY looks at total people per country or just the number in flight per country?
I think the answer is Yes and Yes.
Total number of people in the MA has to be >200 or ENY penalty does not start calculating, But once there is >200 in the MA, then the ENY penalty value is determined by the ratio of players in flight.
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What I find amaizing is that after HT, other players, the local priest, three school teachers and a dog, explained that people have nothing to gain fro switching to the winnig side, people are still complaining about people switching for points.
Not to mention that they don't realize that the only reason they are in the winning side, IS BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE NUMBERS :O
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by MwDogg
I like the current eny system all except for perk rides. I feel if u have the loot to fly them, U should be able to regardless of the eny value. The cost for these perk rides go up as the eny goes up. So why can't we fly perk rides even if the cost goes up?
Oh that will really help the side with the low numbers, everyone will start saving their perk points for when side balancing is in effect and the dis advantaged side will see a hoard of Perk planes coming at it!!! :( :( :(
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Originally posted by Pieper
Its not working then, one team having a 22 eny is not as balanced as it could be......and thats getting to be normal. We don't want the horde of sideswappers. There not Rooks unless we are winning, and there a hindrance. Of course they come to winning country for 25 perks.....It's more than they can earn in a week of real fighting.
Why, when I am fighting the war should I have to leave my country to get gang banged by the people who came to my country because they were loosing to us?
pieper your wrong about coming for the 25 perks changing to get a lot of gang bang kills maybe but real perks you get for changing to team out numbered. like i said before your answer you can get 100 perks a sortie flying for out numbered team.
you can earn 25 perks in 1 sortie just 2 kills and dying after if your on outnumbered team. So you PERSCEPTION is WRONG . thinking they come for 25 perks. You want perks you go to side with least players not one resetting.
I would say do screen shot of rooster when you perception is some from bish or nits changing for perks i'm sure rooster check will show that this is not case.
always been here it goes in cycles rooks numbers great Sundays and mornings. afternoon 's its bishops and evenings knights late night nits.
until 2 sides which will only happen if Helll freezes over. this system not working so bad.
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Why is it that some of you keep thinking that limiting side switching will solve anything? Here's your perfect "solution".
Allow anyone to switch to any side freely, with no time limits. This allows the people who WILL switch to even up sides to do so without any penalty. Then extend the amount of time you have to be a member of that country before you get any points for a reset. Make it 24 hours. I dont know, maybe thats not possible. Maybe the two things are tied together. Eliminates both gripes though.
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There seems to be two "problems."
One is folks who switch to the dominant side so they can get the reset perks and/or hide behind the Horde. This could be somewhat solved by SoA's idea of cranking out the time required for "citizenship" before getting the spoils. Hell, why not make it a curve - the longer you've been a citizen the more perks you get for a reset.
The other is people tower camping waiting for others to do the work of winning a reset, and thereby foobing up the ENY for people on the fligt line. What's unclear is if the people in the tower affect the ENY at all. I tend to think not. But a connect timer seems like a logical thing here. 30 or 40 people's FE's sitting there getting host updates is needless server drain. The timer should be something reasonable, though - some things are unavoiadble like phone ack, wife ack, girlfriend ack, etc.
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The other is people tower camping waiting for others to do the work of winning a reset, and thereby foobing up the ENY for people on the fligt line. What's unclear is if the people in the tower affect the ENY at all. I tend to think not. But a connect timer seems like a logical thing here. 30 or 40 people's FE's sitting there getting host updates is needless server drain. The timer should be something reasonable, though - some things are unavoiadble like phone ack, wife ack, girlfriend ack, etc.
Exactly what I was trying to say...Can anyone give official comment on tower and eny?
StarofAfrica I agree and disagree with your no limit switchings...Personally I dont switch sides, im loyal to the rooks...Could this change if there was no time limit for switching? Possibly...There is a good chance this could possibly even out ENY...Problem is spying though...I dont know how to solve this
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Originally posted by cav58d
Problem is spying though...I dont know how to solve this
Ya catch them traders, and then ya burn them.
I know for a fact some of them are send over from the other countries and fly bombers at 30k for hours, just so they can influence the ENY. Then their country, will attack using lalas using the information given by the traders. There are squads dedicated to that kind of BS.
If you ask me, I think HT should have a command like .reportTrader . After receiving a good number of reports they should either ban them from the game (sonce spying is a for of the C word) or lock them to a country for a month. That will teach them :furious
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And make their icons pink so everyone knows who they are
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The best way to see that eny working is side with numbers want it to go away or be changed.
Cav all players logged on go to eny value flying or gv or in tower all the same.
like i said earlier i bet when reset close perception's get overtime. What really makes numbers go heywire is guys on lowend team log and wait till reset.
Next time your git big numbers going for reset look at how many guys of team being reset are in tower. I remember back when it was 200 rooks 38 nits 70 bish mostly both 75% of bish hiting nit to and we had 17 guys in tower not flying. doesn't seem like alot to 200 team but when your 38 players its almost 50%.
check players in flight when close to reset get screen shots and your perception will change fast.
Lastly Dale knows how 2 sides worked as this is how warbirds was. Just about anything we think of they have already tried or discussed, only thing I've heard in this topic that makes some sense to try is making planes perks go up in cost and still be available. But you have to be fair to out numbered sides and probally only fair thing would be make all planes free to outnumbered while you pay 800 perks for jets and so on.
I remember back in AH1 before eny inserted seeing jets cost rooks 860 perks on a sunday night. highest cost i'd every seen. funny thing was guys were flying 262's paying 800 or more cause others guys could barely life before being picked off so they would deack and vulch in jets, If I remember right fester landed around 90 kills in 262 in about 1 hr flying for rooks. this was common place so making out numbered fly older planes was truely A Step in right direction to even game .
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Originally posted by richard_rd
Oh that will really help the side with the low numbers, everyone will start saving their perk points for when side balancing is in effect and the dis advantaged side will see a hoard of Perk planes coming at it!!! :( :( :(
At least they will use there perks up. Me I could care less as I generally fly the f4u-1 which has a eny of 40. Alot of the perk planes are really not that special. Its the GV's that I care about as a t34 can barely kill a panzer after the 8th hit. But by that time the panzer got a beed on ya and kills ya before u get your 3rd shot off,lol.
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Just woundering ........ Could it be that More Rooks Fly on Sunday night < or at any other time > Just Because more people are Rooks then Knights or Bish AT this time >). I don't think people switch sides just to WIN the Reset IMHO. Just face facts There are more ROOKS then others
Crims
479th Raiders FG
:aok
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I don't think there were more Rooks than other people a couple months ago.
As for traitors and spies, these worthless sacks of crap should have their reproductive extremeties gouged out with a rusty shrimp fork and then deep-fried and force-fed back to them. This may be "just a game" few things will stick to you like being found out as a liar or a fraud (i.e. "Voss").
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Originally posted by cav58d
The other is people tower camping waiting for others to do the work of winning a reset, and thereby foobing up the ENY for people on the fligt line. What's unclear is if the people in the tower affect the ENY at all. I tend to think not. But a connect timer seems like a logical thing here. 30 or 40 people's FE's sitting there getting host updates is needless server drain. The timer should be something reasonable, though - some things are unavoiadble like phone ack, wife ack, girlfriend ack, etc.
Exactly what I was trying to say...Can anyone give official comment on tower and eny?
StarofAfrica I agree and disagree with your no limit switchings...Personally I dont switch sides, im loyal to the rooks...Could this change if there was no time limit for switching? Possibly...There is a good chance this could possibly even out ENY...Problem is spying though...I dont know how to solve this
I'm not trying to be argumentative here. Really. I honestly dont think anyone can come up with a system that makes everyone happy. But really, can you imagine the timer system, ala AOL? It takes too long for the game to load for me to have to log back in every time I go afk for things around the house. I almost NEVER get a day where I have even an hour free from distraction, to the point where I seldom even try anymore. The only reason I try to spend ANY time online lately is we are trying to rebuild our squad, and that means SOMEONE has to be there.
How many people here used AOL when they had the timer?
How many people here HATED the AOL timer?
To make it where it wouldnt interfere with snapshots and scenarios, at the minimum you'd need to set the timer for an hour. And what about people in the scenarios who man guns on defense? How long do they sit sometimes without seeing any action? Tell me you've never gotten shot down early in a scenario and spent the next 2 hours sitting somewhere waiting for something to happen that never does. Now tell me you never went afk during that time. I really dont think it would be worth the effort to program such a feature by the time you set it up for safety margins that high.
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In the MA, if a player doesn't so much as hit a key or button for over an hour, odds are he ain't there. That's the kind of criteria I'd be looking at. The timer duration could be a simple arena setting: an hour in the MA, a year in the SEA.
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once again DOKGONZO hit it on the head....its one thing if your sitting in the tower and talking....even switching from tower to tower and messing around...Hell even sitting in the popular O club and kicking one back...But if your AFK and completely idle for 60+ minutes there is no need to be logged in...Star that sucks it takes so long for you to log in, im sorry to hear about that...But I dont think that is a problem that many of the other players face....Once again though this request/idea is all hypothetical until a member of HTC gives us confirmation that towered players contribute to ENY
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A horde is horde is a horde.
So you have 15 p47's chasing you into 8 p40's.....the ENY doesn't balance anything. As long as unlumited number of planes can up from the same field the gang bang is on.
If you have a limited number of planes that can up from a field or sector it will diperse the horde and players will have to move to different areas of the map. This should take pressure off the country that is getting hammered and create more even game play.
When you have one country with both fronts flashing like las vagas and 2 bases flashing between the other two countries how does the ENY help?
You try to up and there are no planes available you will look for a field that has aircraft available which at least will move the horde around the map and perhaps break up some of the heavy hords. Now granted you might have 2 bases near enough to create a disadvantage in that area but that has to be better than 75 to 100 aircraft coming in on 10 defending aircraft.
As far as the logistics of how aircraft are available is a whole new thread.
I'm not sure this will really work on the small maps but i think they should be retired, there are way to many players for those maps but then again it might also place the players more evenly along the fronts. Also when you need to travel an extra 1/2 to a full sector, it will introduce different plane type strategies. it might give the diasadvantaged country the ability to put pressure on the nearest NME base and then the NME would be more inclined to to up from a near by base and protect it. at least it's an idea to kick around other than the ENY.....that doesn't work.
Why not make it so if you hit strats such as ammo factories, fields that are supplied by that factory will not have a full ammo load. this again would force different aircraft section strategies and move players around the map.
Last but not least....the ENY does not work.
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As for side switching. A new twist on it if anyone hasnt already thought of it.
First a balance ratio would have to be figured out between the 3 countries. Much like the ENY is done.
Once a particular inbalance is reached dissallow switching countries from a lesser numbered country to a higher numbered one untill the balance ratio has been acheived again.
For example lets say the Maximum balance ratio was 15%. That would mean that once one country, and for chuckles we will say the Knights had 15% more people then the country with the least amount of players on it,We will say Bish.
Nobody from either of the lesser two countries(Rooks and Bish) would be able to join the Knights untill that percentage reached 14%.
Anyone who already is a member of Knights would still be able to play as a Knight. But neither Bish nor Rook could become a Knight untill the balance ratio became 14% again.
Now Im only using those percentage numbers as an example.
And you cant have 100% balance (Bish-125 Rook-125, Knight-125) all the time or the maps would never change. So a certain amount of inbalance is prefered from time to time. Just not so much that its so lobsided its rediculous. Of course this wouldnt prevent that from happening entirely. But it would prevent people from changing just to be part of the Horde.
As for Spies. I could not possibly care less about them.
They are far less of a problem them people make of them.
Anyone who pays attention to the map can see whats going on.
Even most NOEs can be discovered well in advance if you just pay attention to whats going on on the map.
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Originally posted by cav58d
....Once again though this request/idea is all hypothetical until a member of HTC gives us confirmation that towered players contribute to ENY
I asked this question and what I understand is that players in the tower contribute to the TOTAL number of players online. Once the total number of players online exceeds 200 the ENY logic kicks in. Once kicked in, the ENY logic only looks at the number of people in flight.
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
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Even most NOEs can be discovered well in advance if you just pay attention to whats going on on the map.
Ah ... you assume they have more than a thimble-full of brain cells. :D
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make it a 4 sided war, problem solved, EVERYONE has to fight a 2 sided war then :0)
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For the last 2 years i've flown pretty much bish exclusive, I can fly just about anything 355 days out of the year, those other 10 days we have eny up it's usually 12 or less. Since I've been flying rook (1 month) It's been a constant dance of what you can take. Hell I've already seen it twice in the last week where you couln't even up a ostwind.
I'd say the rooks deal with it alot.
JMFJ
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Originally posted by Hammy
make it a 4 sided war, problem solved, EVERYONE has to fight a 2 sided war then :0)
How so?
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I like the idea of a 4th country
some of the possible benefits of a 4th country:
Gang banging one country would be tougher when you can always be back doored by the 4th country. You wouldn't see the classic "Every bish base is blinking on both rook and knight borders, and not a single base flashing between rook and knights (I've seen this at least 15+ times in the last 9 months). Which is fine I understand that has to happen for a country to get eliminated. But to have a twist of a 4th country, there wouldn't be that nuetral (no fly zone) border line between the gang bangers anymore.
With the players being devided by four rather than three it would cause the eny to even out a bit.
With the bonus of not always knowing who your gonna be bordered against every map would add some more combinations to the game play.
Country spying would also be less effective, it's much more powerful when you and others can see what is happening on 2 of the 3 players, but only knowing what is happening with 2 of the 4 wouldn't do you much good.
What shall the new country name be?
Ponds- no one wants to be a pond LOL
Queens- well that one you can figure out for yourself
Kings- Has kinda a nice ring to it.
JMFJ
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Well HT may not like the idea of redoing all the maps to have a fourth country, but the spying fees should sky rocket. Woowoooo
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Fouth country has been done. It didn't work to HT's satisfaction.
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Nobaddy- when was AH a 4 country game?
I'm sure HT wishes we would all zip it, lol
JMFJ
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what JMFJ said
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Three is the number of counties. And the number of countries shall be three. Four is right out.
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How many countries are there again Dokgonzo?
JMFJ
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Originally posted by JMFJ
How many countries are there again Dokgonzo?
JMFJ
Two. No. Five. No. Aaaaauuuuggh ....
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
Ah ... you assume they have more than a thimble-full of brain cells. :D
A thimble-full? Your being kinda generous arent you?Lmao.
You have a point there.
Half the time people dont pay attention to missions that arent NOE untill its too late to do anything meaningful about it.
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Ok guys!.....
Dont let this thread die. I've heard alot of good ideas, and it seems to me I'm not the only one(by far) that belives ENY dosent work as a side ballancer. I'm not saying, nor have I ever said take ENY out of the game, but I think many of us agree I plain and simple dosent ballance sides. It never has and never will on its own. We need something else to keep it even. I'm personally tired of being limited by it. I've been a Rook ever since I started 3 years ago and will never change sides. Sure I can fly whatever when ENY is in effect and kill Bish or nits easy. But the point is that if it truly worked It would hardly ever be in effect.
By the wat HiTech.....the day is coming soon where we have more than 750 players in game at one time. What you gonna do?
Pieper
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Originally posted by Pieper
By the wat HiTech.....the day is coming soon where we have more than 750 players in game at one time. What you gonna do?
Pieper
Probably what the most of us will do, ignore the whines.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Pieper
Ok guys!.....
Dont let this thread die. I've heard alot of good ideas, and it seems to me I'm not the only one(by far) that belives ENY dosent work as a side ballancer. I'm not saying, nor have I ever said take ENY out of the game, but I think many of us agree I plain and simple dosent ballance sides. It never has and never will on its own. We need something else to keep it even. I'm personally tired of being limited by it. I've been a Rook ever since I started 3 years ago and will never change sides. Sure I can fly whatever when ENY is in effect and kill Bish or nits easy. But the point is that if it truly worked It would hardly ever be in effect.
By the wat HiTech.....the day is coming soon where we have more than 750 players in game at one time. What you gonna do?
Pieper
ENY is not a side balancer ... we are the side balancers.
ENY was developed to entice people to side balance and if you choose not to switch sides ... then you pay a penalty and have to fly the higher ENY planes.
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Simple solution to all your ENY gripes:
No ENY limit: P47N or usually P47D40
Light ENY limit: P47D40 and D25
Heavy ENY limit: P47D11
now quit whining and learn to fly the beast.
The 'Brazilian' is in fashion this season.
(http://www.freeroleentertainment.com/brazil.JPG)
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Originally posted by Pieper
Ok guys!.....
Dont let this thread die. I've heard alot of good ideas, and it seems to me I'm not the only one(by far) that belives ENY dosent work as a side ballancer. I'm not saying, nor have I ever said take ENY out of the game, but I think many of us agree I plain and simple dosent ballance sides. It never has and never will on its own. We need something else to keep it even. I'm personally tired of being limited by it. I've been a Rook ever since I started 3 years ago and will never change sides. Sure I can fly whatever when ENY is in effect and kill Bish or nits easy. But the point is that if it truly worked It would hardly ever be in effect.
By the wat HiTech.....the day is coming soon where we have more than 750 players in game at one time. What you gonna do?
Pieper
Two things. First change countries. It is hard to put anything in place that will balance sides, when people say they will never change countries. How is it going to get balanced? Ohhh, wait, I got it, you want someone else to change. So, you are asking for something to be put in place that will effect the others but not you. HT will get right on it.
Killing Nits and Bish easy? I've seen you fly. You could not killshoot yourself unless you are in a hord. So, becareful what you ask for. If the sides do balance, youwill not have the hord or as big of a hord to flt with and vulch people.
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When the rooks have 100+ at one point 150 more players than knights and bish, I really don't feel sorry for the eny factor. That's pretty rediculous when 600+ guys are on-line and rooks have 275 of them (almost half).
But hey everyone wants to be on a winning team.
JMFJ
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Originally posted by JMFJ
Nobaddy- when was AH a 4 country game?
JMFJ
HT did Warbirds, that used to be (still is?) 4 countries. I played it for a while a few years ago... this is much better :)
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The case I'd make is that it really draws out the end of a map far too long.....
ENY for Rooks was over 24 last night before flip. We were having trouble lifting most _bombers_ in that range. It was ridiculous trying to put a mission together with any decent planes at all.
I can see the need....but last night was a bit too extreme an example of ENY in action.
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Originally posted by JMFJ
When the rooks have 100+ at one point 150 more players than knights and bish, I really don't feel sorry for the eny factor. That's pretty rediculous when 600+ guys are on-line and rooks have 275 of them (almost half).
But hey everyone wants to be on a winning team.
JMFJ
Well...if everybloodybody didn't switch bloody teams there right at the end of every bloody map every bloody time....... don't think it'd be an issue at all.....
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Originally posted by tedrbr
I can see the need....but last night was a bit too extreme an example of ENY in action.
Wasn't strong enough from my point of view.
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Originally posted by tedrbr
The case I'd make is that it really draws out the end of a map far too long.....
ENY for Rooks was over 24 last night before flip. We were having trouble lifting most _bombers_ in that range. It was ridiculous trying to put a mission together with any decent planes at all.
I can see the need....but last night was a bit too extreme an example of ENY in action.
Yeah ... a horde of P-47-D11s loaded to the gills is nothing more than a buch of pesky gnats ... easily swatted out of the sky ... :rolleyes:
If you were to gather 10 P-47-D11s, 10 P-51-Bs, 10 P-38-Gs, and a couple of goons and NOT capture a base ... then there is something really wrong ... and it would have nothing to do with the hardware that was on hand.
At ENY 24 ... there is still too much great hardware available in the hanger ... no sympathy at all.
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I don't understand why a few people seem to belittle people who see problems! If everything was just as it should/could be, then nobody would be posting about it. The fact that there are post after post after post shows something.
Open our minds, if you can find them!
The ENY was put in because HT saw the problems! Okay, it helps, but is NOT the end all to the problem! Maybe a change IS needed. The idea of charging perks to change sides is a good one, but not every time. Why not have it a free 1 change per map and a total of 3 per month? Any more and you have to "pay" for it. Then you can still jump from side to side to side all you want and use up the perks you get for all those vulches and cherry picks.
Just because some people don't see a problem doesn't mean there isn't one. Try and look at all side of a question first. I can see what a few are saying about wanting to change sides all the time. That is what they like, but there are a lot of people who will stay where they are, for one reason or another.
The eny IS working, but something must be better. When any one "country" has as many players on as the other two combined, numbers, not the planes makes the difference.
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seriously who doesnt end each tour with at least a few sorties in almost the entire planeset?
you gotta mix it up, your mission tonight will be a fight against hodweebrunning la7s and spit16s, and your ride....the FM2!.
whats this? reserve pilots loggin on? your mission is now to fight that horde with 109Es and P40bs
with any problem anywhere in time, you can either continue to be dissatisfied and debate the subject, or make the best of the 2 hours you log on for with whatever is going on.
Its your choice, but i'm pretty sure the ENY will remain this way for many months to come no matter how much sense there is to an individual argument.
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Originally posted by Gato
I don't understand why a few people seem to belittle people who see problems! If everything was just as it should/could be, then nobody would be posting about it. The fact that there are post after post after post shows something.
Open our minds, if you can find them!
The ENY was put in because HT saw the problems! Okay, it helps, but is NOT the end all to the problem! Maybe a change IS needed. The idea of charging perks to change sides is a good one, but not every time. Why not have it a free 1 change per map and a total of 3 per month? Any more and you have to "pay" for it. Then you can still jump from side to side to side all you want and use up the perks you get for all those vulches and cherry picks.
Just because some people don't see a problem doesn't mean there isn't one. Try and look at all side of a question first. I can see what a few are saying about wanting to change sides all the time. That is what they like, but there are a lot of people who will stay where they are, for one reason or another.
The eny IS working, but something must be better. When any one "country" has as many players on as the other two combined, numbers, not the planes makes the difference.
Good post ... but I think you are guilty as charged.
Did you think that myself and others who do switch sides to try and balance side would get real pissed off due to the fact that we are trying to help but have to PAY for it ... no ... sorry ... but that is not a good idea.
People piss and moan about the ENY cause they are not able to fly the hot rides and by golly they are gonna scream till the cows come home cause they just might have to fly something that is foriegn to them or just might have to fly something that will force them to have to fight instead of flee.
Here ... I got an idea for ya !!!
When ENY goes into effect, if you want to fly a plane that has been disabled by the ENY ... you have to pay perks for it.
Any plane that has been disabled by ENY ... cough up 150 perks to fly it.
Jets and Rockets ... cough up 500 perks to fly it.
That way, you can stay with your precious chess piece country and fly anything you want when you grossly outnumber the other countries ... but ya gotta pay the piper.
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Phear the FM2 !!!
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
with any problem anywhere in time, you can either continue to be dissatisfied and debate the subject, or make the best of the 2 hours you log on for with whatever is going on.
Its your choice, but i'm pretty sure the ENY will remain this way for many months to come no matter how much sense there is to an individual argument.
I'm sure you are very right in this last part of your statement. Any change is going to take time. But change will come or things will stagnate. That means it is standing still and if it's not moving, it's dying.
I'm sure most of the resources at HTC are going into CT, but once that is on-line I'm sure they will be hard at work on the MA.
I nice part of these forums is that it gives HTC a glimmer into what the paying customer sees and wants. I also believe that is one of the reasons these BBs are here to begin with.
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The ENY seems to only prolong the inevetable loss/map reset. Cause a 6 to 1 in no matter what the plane is still 6 to 1. Even in crappy planes a # imbalance will still more times than not overwhelm the target, it just takes longer.
JMFJ
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Originally posted by JMFJ
The ENY seems to only prolong the inevetable loss/map reset. Cause a 6 to 1 in no matter what the plane is still 6 to 1. Even in crappy planes a # imbalance will still more times than not overwhelm the target, it just takes longer.
JMFJ
6 FM2s will dispatch you quicker than 6 P-51s ... no doubt.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Good post ... but I think you are guilty as charged.
Did you think that myself and others who do switch sides to try and balance side would get real pissed off due to the fact that we are trying to help but have to PAY for it ... no ... sorry ... but that is not a good idea.
People piss and moan about the ENY cause they are not able to fly the hot rides and by golly they are gonna scream till the cows come home cause they just might have to fly something that is foriegn to them or just might have to fly something that will force them to have to fight instead of flee.
Here ... I got an idea for ya !!!
When ENY goes into effect, if you want to fly a plane that has been disabled by the ENY ... you have to pay perks for it.
Any plane that has been disabled by ENY ... cough up 150 perks to fly it.
Jets and Rockets ... cough up 500 perks to fly it.
That way, you can stay with your precious chess piece country and fly anything you want when you grossly outnumber the other countries ... but ya gotta pay the piper.
Hmmmm. As the old saying goes "If the shoe fits, wear it!" So look in the mirror too.
Okay, why NOT have the ENY planes perks? I'm not sure on the price, but it's an idea. We could use both ideas, how about that?
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One will make it quicker and easier but the results are still the same, those with numbers 90% of the time win the map in the long run.
You can only shoot down one guy at a time, which becomes an even harder task when your dodging his 2+ friends even if they are in slower turning/speed planes.
# of players is more powerful then the plane model that's available, at least in the flying aspect of the game.
I find it to take the opposite affect on the ground game, in that if I can up a tiger for 26 perk points and take out on an average 8-10 panzers per run. 3 tigers will make quick work of 18 panzers. But this is a different subject of the jump in effectiveness of the tiger panzer debate.
The point is the eny just seems to prolong the death of the losing country, so my question is "If it don't change the outcome why have it?"
I don't mind flying the other planes hell my record amount of kills I've ever landed was in a f4-1, 9 kills. But just cause I'm willing to give a lower class ride a spin and it's fun for me, doesn't mean it fun for the majority. Most the players utilize the low eny planes majority of the time, besides it's probably safe to say for every old hen like chaingun, shawk, skyrock, bullz, etc... There is 40 newbie/dweeb flyers (usually named 1346j76l2) who don't care if you think they are lame for flying LA7's exclusively.
JMFJ
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Originally posted by Gato
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I'm sure most of the resources at HTC are going into CT, but once that is on-line I'm sure they will be hard at work on the MA.
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No ... then they'll be hard at work fixing bugs and exploits in CT ... then they'll look at the MA and the next FE update.
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I predict CT will be about as popular as AvA is after a while.
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Originally posted by Alky
I predict CT will be about as popular as AvA is after a while.
My concern for CT is (a) the frame rate hit of so many planes, (b) how long canned missions will remain entertaining, and (c) just how many exploits people will find and use (I count ramming and HO'ing as exploits in a mission-based environment).
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We could use both ideas, how about that?
Negative ... only mine !!! ;)
I have been an ardent follower of all ENY threads ... right from the intial thread in which "Delirium" proposed the ENY idea, which HT took and ran with. I am a staunch supporter of the ENY.
I'll say this again ... the ENY is NOT ... I repeat ... IS NOT ... a side balancer. We are the balancers ... and I don't believe that HT will ever do anything that will FORCE balancing.
ENY is an enticement to balance sides, along with limiting a grossly overpopulated country from using the "hot rides" to completely dominate and not let the other country or countries get wheels up.
Prior to the ENY, that was the case. Rooks (to no fault of their own ... they just organized better than the other 2) were capable, on a Sunday night, to actually put enough people in the air (with all the hot rides) and keep a country down to the point that practically no one could lift. They were able to provide that amount of cover because they would send waves of the late war aircraft over and over to all fields.
This was bad or was gonna be bad for the HTC bottom line ... hence ENY.
Now ... most pilots for all countries fly the late war planes and NEVER fly anything else. They fly them cause the feel safe in them and can exit stage left if anything gets dicey (God forbid they fight and maybe ... GASP ... get killed). The late war planes become a crutch ... they cannot survive without these speed demons.
Now ... ENY enters the picture and when it hits ... their blankey/crutch has been ripped out from under them and they then proceed to throw a tantrum rather than grow a sack ... suck it up ... and try something new.
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There is 40 newbie/dweeb flyers (usually named 1346j76l2) who don't care if you think they are lame for flying LA7's exclusively.
Well ... then it sucks to be them.
They need to take the pacifier out of their mouth, get out of the training diapers and act like "big boys" ... whos testicles have dropped.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
We could use both ideas, how about that?
Negative ... only mine !!! ;)
I have been an ardent follower of all ENY threads ... right from the intial thread in which "Delirium" proposed the ENY idea, which HT took and ran with. I am a staunch supporter of the ENY.
I'll say this again ... the ENY is NOT ... I repeat ... IS NOT ... a side balancer. We are the balancers ... and I don't believe that HT will ever do anything that will FORCE balancing.
ENY is an enticement to balance sides, along with limiting a grossly overpopulated country from using the "hot rides" to completely dominate and not let the other country or countries get wheels up.
Prior to the ENY, that was the case. Rooks (to no fault of their own ... they just organized better than the other 2) were capable, on a Sunday night, to actually put enough people in the air (with all the hot rides) and keep a country down to the point that practically no one could lift. They were able to provide that amount of cover because they would send waves of the late war aircraft over and over to all fields.
This was bad or was gonna be bad for the HTC bottom line ... hence ENY.
Now ... most pilots for all countries fly the late war planes and NEVER fly anything else. They fly them cause the feel safe in them and can exit stage left if anything gets dicey (God forbid they fight and maybe ... GASP ... get killed). The late war planes become a crutch ... they cannot survive without these speed demons.
Now ... ENY enters the picture and when it hits ... their blankey/crutch has been ripped out from under them and they then proceed to throw a tantrum rather than grow a sack ... suck it up ... and try something new.
As always, only you are right. I guess that is what is means to be a BK! IF you would spend as much time in the game as you do in the forums, maybe you would see some of what others see. So, please, take your own advise and "grow a sack...suck it up...and try something new."
There are over 5000 people who play this game, you are NOT the end all, always right individual you seem to think you are.
BTW, I'm beginning to believe one of the reasons you change sides is NOT for balance, but because you don't want to lose your "ride". I may be wrong on this, I'm not sure what you "fly" when you can break away from here. IF I'm wrong, it isn't the first time, but I doubt you will admit as much.
In any case I still you.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
We could use both ideas, how about that?
Negative ... only mine !!! ;)
I have been an ardent follower of all ENY threads ... right from the intial thread in which "Delirium" proposed the ENY idea, which HT took and ran with. I am a staunch supporter of the ENY.
Hmm, and I thought it was my idea :confused:
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Originally posted by Gato
As always, only you are right. I guess that is what is means to be a BK! IF you would spend as much time in the game as you do in the forums, maybe you would see some of what others see. So, please, take your own advise and "grow a sack...suck it up...and try something new."
There are over 5000 people who play this game, you are NOT the end all, always right individual you seem to think you are.
BTW, I'm beginning to believe one of the reasons you change sides is NOT for balance, but because you don't want to lose your "ride". I may be wrong on this, I'm not sure what you "fly" when you can break away from here. IF I'm wrong, it isn't the first time, but I doubt you will admit as much.
In any case I still you.
Oh Gato ... don't get heated ... it's not becoming on you. Leave the squad BS to the side ... the squad has nothing to do with my opinions.
I have spent plently of time in this game ... more than I would like to admit and I would have to say ... I have seen it all in the 5+ years that I have been playing this game. I might spend more time back in the MA after CT starts up and most of the tools move to that arena.
I don't need to suck it up ... anymore ... there was a time when I did ... and I did just that. Now I have no need for the safer rides ... I could care less what the ENY is because there isn't anything in the hangar that I can't fly and be deadly in ... why ? ... because I wasn't afraid to die and learned the hard way ... I died alot.
I change cause I don't want to lose my ride ... LOL ... too funnay and yes ... you are wrong ... sorry.
Here are my top 5 rides this tour ...
Model.....Kills in
FM2......56
A6M5b......42
Hurricane Mk IIC....37
La-7....24
Spitfire Mk XVI....19
Yeah ... I am bailing to the other side so I can fly that uber FM2 or ... wait ... the terminator Zeke ... :t ... and let's not forget the ever dominating Hurr IIC ... known to run down anything in the game.
I don't know how many people play this game and I doubt you do too ... and I know that I am not the "end all" ... but this is a public board and one is allowed to express one's opinion ... and that is exactly what I do ... express my opinion ... if ya don't like them ... sorry 'bout that.
<> to you too !!! :aok
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FWIW I rarely fly anything with an ENY under 15, unless I need to lug ord. And I never use the re-arm pad, always replane. I think I may have flown a perked plane all of twice in five years so I could care less about streaks.
Bottom line is a lot of us fly where we fly because we know people there, it don't matter what we have available to fly. And a lot of us don't care about perks or "atta boys." The more experienced a player is the less what plane he flies matters to him or to how well he does.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Oh Gato ... don't get heated ... it's not becoming on you. Leave the squad BS to the side ... the squad has nothing to do with my opinions.
I have spent plently of time in this game ... more than I would like to admit and I would have to say ... I have seen it all in the 5+ years that I have been playing this game. I might spend more time back in the MA after CT starts up and most of the tools move to that arena.
I don't need to suck it up ... anymore ... there was a time when I did ... and I did just that. Now I have no need for the safer rides ... I could care less what the ENY is because there isn't anything in the hangar that I can't fly and be deadly in ... why ? ... because I wasn't afraid to die and learned the hard way ... I died alot.
I change cause I don't want to lose my ride ... LOL ... too funnay and yes ... you are wrong ... sorry.
Here are my top 5 rides this tour ...
Model.....Kills in
FM2......56
A6M5b......42
Hurricane Mk IIC....37
La-7....24
Spitfire Mk XVI....19
Yeah ... I am bailing to the other side so I can fly that uber FM2 or ... wait ... the terminator Zeke ... :t ... and let's not forget the ever dominating Hurr IIC ... known to run down anything in the game.
I don't know how many people play this game and I doubt you do too ... and I know that I am not the "end all" ... but this is a public board and one is allowed to express one's opinion ... and that is exactly what I do ... express my opinion ... if ya don't like them ... sorry 'bout that.
<> to you too !!! :aok
No, I'm not getting heated. I'm too old for that. And the only reason I said anything about the BK is because a few of your mates seem to hold very close to your view point. Adding little to nothing to the conversation but chastising and belittleing those who view things differently.
I agree with you, these are open forums and opinion is what is looked for. IS it so hard to show a constructive opinion in place of unadulterated antipathy for others?
I, once more, you for your skills in the game. Though they were not in doubt. But it is also very evident you are unable to admit when you are wrong.
I do not know the number of people playing to the last person, but I DO know it is over 5000. This information can be found by looking at the ranking of people playing. I have seen a rank of 5001. As each person has a rank when they have played at least one day and no rank when they have not, it is easy to see there has to be over 5000. Go into the game and look at the roster. Almost anytime you do, you can see at least one person with no ranking. Enter logic!
Now, you and I have bantered enough on this tread off subject. May we get on with the subject at hand without the colorful, yet unconstructive repartee?
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IS it so hard to show a constructive opinion in place of unadulterated antipathy for others?
Come on ... because I don't agree with what other have said or whined about and I voice my views. I have been constructive. I have tried to enlighten those who believe the urban myth that ENY is a side balancer ... it is not.
What gets my goat is you hear from those when there is pee in their pool, but never hear from them when the pee is in someone elses pool ... and I let them know about it ... sorry 'bout that.
But it is also very evident you are unable to admit when you are wrong.
There is no right or wrong ... there is your opinion/views, mine, and the others. We all have a point to prove. I never said I was RIGHT and you were WRONG.
May we get on with the subject at hand without the colorful, yet unconstructive repartee?
Sure ... original poster wants to do something along the lines of stopping people from switching sides cause it's causing him angst and aguish having to deal with ENY. It's all about him ... and to everyone else. He didn't think it thru all the way ... only from his viewpoint and what was good for him ... no thanks.
I don't want any more restrictions on when I can switch sides and I have and will continue to voice my opinions and reasons as to why HT should not entertain that idea/thought.
And again I will advise those who cringe at the thought of having ENY take their crutch away from them ... grow a pair <--- constructive advise.
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SLapshot rules. :lol
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How about we eliminate ENY completely and make a country's defensive tools stronger than the offensive tools?
As it is now it is too easy to de-ack a base and set up the vulch. The ostis and m16s aren't anywhere near as accurate for most people as they were before the patch, so the are easier to get in close to kill, and its still easy to take down the field's vh to eliminate that threat. Give us more and better and harder AA guns so the underdog has at least a chance of holding off the horde and you will hear a lot less complaints about the numbers imbalance.
The manned 37mm field gun is the most accurate gun in the game now (other than the manned 5" guns on cvs) but but its range is very limited. Due to shell ballistics it appears its best killing range is about 1000 and it is incapable of hitting a bomber flying level 3000 AGL. Its rediculous when a single Spit can sweep in, fire a burst at 1100 while sawing its rudder, and fly away before the manned ack can even aim. And of course those .303s hardly ever miss; 2 pings and the gun is dead.
IRL the defense always had the advantage. In this game its the other way around and the underdogs are nothing but cannon fodder.
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Originally posted by Docc
How about we eliminate ENY completely and make a country's defensive tools stronger than the offensive tools?
As it is now it is too easy to de-ack a base and set up the vulch. The ostis and m16s aren't anywhere near as accurate for most people as they were before the patch, so the are easier to get in close to kill, and its still easy to take down the field's vh to eliminate that threat. Give us more and better and harder AA guns so the underdog has at least a chance of holding off the horde and you will hear a lot less complaints about the numbers imbalance.
The manned 37mm field gun is the most accurate gun in the game now (other than the manned 5" guns on cvs) but but its range is very limited. Due to shell ballistics it appears its best killing range is about 1000 and it is incapable of hitting a bomber flying level 3000 AGL. Its rediculous when a single Spit can sweep in, fire a burst at 1100 while sawing its rudder, and fly away before the manned ack can even aim. And of course those .303s hardly ever miss; 2 pings and the gun is dead.
IRL the defense always had the advantage. In this game its the other way around and the underdogs are nothing but cannon fodder.
Not a bad idea, but the reality of it all ... HT and Co are bustin' a nut on getting CT out ... after CT is out ... they will be killing bugs and all sorts of crap that will rise to the top after a heavy stress test by a large user base.
All your ideas ... If HT said yes ... I would imagine would require some serious coading and/or re-coading ... with CT on the cusp ... it won't happen anytime soon would be my best guess .. nor will any changes to the MA gameplay/strat for that matter ... unless its something that is plug and play from the CT development.
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To slapshot, morpheus and the rest of your ilk: As you are completely unable to understand the value of other people and their views. I will not reply to any of your asinine comments. I have, up to this point, given your mental abilities far more power than you seem to possess. You apparently lack the mental faculties to grasp the finer points required for a truly intellectual, constructive congress. In short, please continue your petty tirades, I shall view them for what they are worth and forget them. Have fun at what you do best.
:D
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Some people on this thread ...ahwum...Slaphot constantly accuse others of whining.
Well you guys are doin all the whining I've seen. Its extremely evident to me in all your posts that you are only interested in switching countrys to fly what you want. The very thing that you say we are whining about not being able to do. The majority of people are swapping to fly in a horde. You know that, go ahead and admit....oh you wouldnt do that because that would put you in our fight to stop, and if we stopped that, you would find conflict in your side swapping to fly your ride. Right?
Of course you cant admit there is a problem and you whine like babies to keep it the way it is......you like your no loyalty treasonous way of playing the game.
We dont want the horde of numbers that flock to the winning side. Most of them are just cannon fodder anyway. What we want is simple, something in addition to the ENY that deters sideswaping to the winning team.
Mabye after a team is more than 3 bases ahead of another it should be impossible to leave the loosing team for the winning team.
Any more posts by Slap on this subject should be ignored, dont give him the satisfaction of a reply.
Btw....the 750 comment refers to a growing number of people in the game at any given time compared to the arena max of 750. What happens when we hit 751?
By the way....those numbers low and pathetic:p
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Originally posted by Gato
To slapshot, morpheus and the rest of your ilk: As you are completely unable to understand the value of other people and their views. I will not reply to any of your asinine comments. I have, up to this point, given your mental abilities far more power than you seem to possess. You apparently lack the mental faculties to grasp the finer points required for a truly intellectual, constructive congress. In short, please continue your petty tirades, I shall view them for what they are worth and forget them. Have fun at what you do best. :D
WOW ... we have ourselfs the real deal here ... too funny.
Somebody bumps up against your views and you go hoity-toity on us ... I am impressed by your ilk as well.
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Originally posted by Pieper
Some people on this thread ...ahwum...Slaphot constantly accuse others of whining.
Well you guys are doin all the whining I've seen. Its extremely evident to me in all your posts that you are only interested in switching countrys to fly what you want. The very thing that you say we are whining about not being able to do. The majority of people are swapping to fly in a horde. You know that, go ahead and admit....oh you wouldnt do that because that would put you in our fight to stop, and if we stopped that, you would find conflict in your side swapping to fly your ride. Right?
Of course you cant admit there is a problem and you whine like babies to keep it the way it is......you like your no loyalty treasonous way of playing the game.
We dont want the horde of numbers that flock to the winning side. Most of them are just cannon fodder anyway. What we want is simple, something in addition to the ENY that deters sideswaping to the winning team.
Mabye after a team is more than 3 bases ahead of another it should be impossible to leave the loosing team for the winning team.
Any more posts by Slap on this subject should be ignored, dont give him the satisfaction of a reply.
Btw....the 750 comment refers to a growing number of people in the game at any given time compared to the arena max of 750. What happens when we hit 751?
By the way....those numbers low and pathetic:p
Its extremely evident to me in all your posts that you are only interested in switching countrys to fly what you want.
Yeah ... I need to switch sides all the time cause the FM2 and the Zeke are never available cause I am always flying for the country that is hampered by ENY.
The majority of people are swapping to fly in a horde. You know that, go ahead and admit....oh you wouldnt do that because that would put you in our fight to stop, and if we stopped that, you would find conflict in your side swapping to fly your ride. Right?
I don't think even you could really understand what you just wrote ... but I'll take a stab at it.
Yes most swap to fly in a horde cause they are limp-wristed pilots that need to hide in the pack for fear of death.
That is not the case with me ... I usually fly alone and can be found at any base that is being attacked by milkrunnin' land grabbers ... launching in the middle of the vultch and taking down as many vulch turds as possible. I have no problem dieing in this game ... ya wanna know why ? ... CAUSE I DON'T REALLY DIE ... OMFGz !!!!
Of course you cant admit there is a problem and you whine like babies to keep it the way it is......you like your no loyalty treasonous way of playing the game.
There is only a problem from perspective ... from my perspective ... there is no problem. You won't find my ilk (thanks Gato) starting threads (whining) about ENY ... ya wanna know why ? ... CAUSE IT DOESN'T EFFECT US ... EITHER WAY ... OMFGz !!!!
My "loyalty treasonous way of playing the game" ... you can't be freakin' serious ... loyalty to a MMOG virtual chess piece ? ... treasonous to a MMOG virtual chess piece ? ... you really need to spend some time in the real world and get out from behind the monitor for awhile.
Mabye after a team is more than 3 bases ahead of another it should be impossible to leave the loosing team for the winning team.
So when a map starts and one team goes ahead by 3 fields, you can't leave the (virtual) losing countries ? ... yeah right ... think about it ... that condition could go on for days ... just because a country is ahead by 3 fields does not indicate that it WILL be the winnar of the war and one of the other countries is going to be a loser.
Any more posts by Slap on this subject should be ignored, dont give him the satisfaction of a reply.
Awww ... come on ... your gonna hurt my feelings by getting these people to not respond to me ... :cry
Btw....the 750 comment refers to a growing number of people in the game at any given time compared to the arena max of 750. What happens when we hit 751?
HT has added coad that will automatically boot all the ENY whiners, which should bring the count back down to somewhere around 500 players in the arena.
By the way....those numbers low and pathetic
Anytime you want to test those numbers and you see me in the MA ... let me know and we can go round-and-round and see just how bad my numbers are.
:p
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Originally posted by Pieper
Some people on this thread ...ahwum...Slaphot constantly accuse others of whining.
Well you guys are doin all the whining I've seen. Its extremely evident to me in all your posts that you are only interested in switching countrys to fly what you want. The very thing that you say we are whining about not being able to do. The majority of people are swapping to fly in a horde. You know that, go ahead and admit....oh you wouldnt do that because that would put you in our fight to stop, and if we stopped that, you would find conflict in your side swapping to fly your ride. Right?
Of course you cant admit there is a problem and you whine like babies to keep it the way it is......you like your no loyalty treasonous way of playing the game.
We dont want the horde of numbers that flock to the winning side. Most of them are just cannon fodder anyway. What we want is simple, something in addition to the ENY that deters sideswaping to the winning team.
Mabye after a team is more than 3 bases ahead of another it should be impossible to leave the loosing team for the winning team.
Any more posts by Slap on this subject should be ignored, dont give him the satisfaction of a reply.
Btw....the 750 comment refers to a growing number of people in the game at any given time compared to the arena max of 750. What happens when we hit 751?
By the way....those numbers low and pathetic:p
No, more like we're tired of the countless the "OMGZ! ENY SUX!" threads you and your whinerkind seem to post almost weekly.
HT has already said numerous times why we have the ENY system and that it is up to the player community[/i] to address the side balance issue. When the Rook side out numbers eveyone else, what do you do? Do you switch sides to help counter balance the number difference or do you stay a Rookie and whine how the ENY isn't letting you fly the Spitfire XIV or XVI? From your posts, it's quite apparent what you do in those cases. You are part of the problem, not Slapshot.
ack-ack
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I'll say it, since no one else will. Pieper's a ****ing idiot. There, done.
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Yeah ... I need to switch sides all the time cause the FM2 and the Zeke are never available cause I am always flying for the country that is hampered by ENY.
LOLHROTFFPAOMS
oh SNAP!
[SIZE=10]PWONED![/SIZE]
its time to un pimp da ENY whiner, ya?
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Originally posted by SlapShot
My "loyalty treasonous way of playing the game" ... you can't be freakin' serious ... loyalty to a MMOG virtual chess piece ? ... treasonous to a MMOG virtual chess piece ? ... you really need to spend some time in the real world and get out from behind the monitor for awhile.
LMAO.. No Sh_t :lol
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Originally posted by Gato
As you are completely unable to understand the value of other people and their views.
Seems to me this is a clear case of the someone who doesn't realize how what he just said perfectly describes himself.
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Of course you cant admit there is a problem and you whine like babies to keep it the way it is......you like your no loyalty treasonous way of playing the game.
LOL what a moron.
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I just find it funny that Pipper is calling other people cannon foder :rofl :rofl :rofl
I think there is a DA film somewhere that shows what kind of person you are pipper. The flying is pathetic but 200 is priceless :lol I am at work, but will try and find it. It would be interesting to see who are the people that whine all the time and are calling people like SlapShot names
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Originally posted by Pieper
you like your no loyalty treasonous way of playing the game.
This is good stuff. I stand in awe. How do you get this into one of those patented signature lines?
- oldman (must remember to send this to Grits)
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Ok this one has run it course. And to EVERYONE.
KNOCK OFF THE NAME CALLING. I am getting quite tired of it.
HiTech