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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Creton on March 20, 2006, 05:33:18 PM
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WTG on the adjustments to the 109's.Flaps now deploy at around 200mph or slightly faster.Stall buffet is a little wierd but cool addition to game and over all affect of plane dynamics.
My findings are as follows.
1.Flaps deploy at 200-206mph on 109's
2.109g14 top speed is 353mph at 1300ft.
Great job and thank from one "Luftweenie":D
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2.109g14 top speed is 353mph at 1300ft.
Pre-Patch G-14 speed tests:
AH2 BF 109G-14 level speed tests
100% Fuel, FBM = .001 (minimum; no fuel burn)
1 x 1 MG151/2cm 150 rounds
100ft
WEP - 350 mph
MIL - 320 mph
5000ft
WEP - 369 mph
MIL - 340 mph
10000ft
WEP - 379 mph
MIL - 357 mph
15000ft
WEP - 388 mph
MIL - 366 mph
*16400ft (FTH)
WEP - 390 mph
MIL - 370 mph
20000ft
WEP - 397 mph
MIL - 377 mph
24500ft
WEP - 388 mph
MIL - 378 mph
I did a quick Sea level speed test a few mintues ago and achieved:
100ft
WEP - 356 mph
MIL - 316 mph
I will do a full set of tests later when I get a chance. One thing though is that the FTH for the G-14 should be 16500 ft and reach around 410-415 mph.
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Originally posted by Bruno
Pre-Patch G-14 speed tests:
I did a quick Sea level speed test a few mintues ago and achieved:
100ft
WEP - 356 mph
MIL - 316 mph
I will do a full set of tests later when I get a chance. One thing though is that the FTH for the G-14 should be 16500 ft and reach around 410-415 mph.
I saw the following, flying with 25% fuel, zero burn, WEP.
16k: 405 mph
16.6k: 406 mph
17k: 405 mph
18k: 404 mph
20k: 403 mph
21k: 401 mph
22k: 399 mph
23k 396 mph
The biggest difference is found in a substantial reduction in twitchiness approaching an accelerated stall. I could fly the G-14 to the edge and it wasn't trying to flop on me.
My regards,
Widewing
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I just flew a quick G-14 sortie in the main. While fighting Seafires, F4us, F6Fs and an obb ball niki I killed 5 with the 2cm and landed. The G-14 now pwns like should have from the start.
No more wobbles or floppiness. So much for those that argued that the 109s were correct before the patch.
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I just ran a level speed test at 16500ft:
100% Fuel, FBM = .001 (minimum; no fuel burn)
1 x 1 MG151/2cm 150 rounds
16400ft
WEP - 404 mph
MIL - 370 mph
It is still too slow at FTH... The numbers posted in the original bug report showed a calculated speed of 416 mph. I have seen other sources showing this same top speed. I was expecting more in the range of 410-415 mph...
This patch was an improvement over the original release but it is still not 'correct'.
Also, please add the option for 200 rounds of MG151/2cm for the G-14 and G-6...
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They tweaked the "flop"?!?!?! OMG!! MUST DOWNLOAD! [EXEUNT.]
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G14 is bad ass. I feel like I'm cheating.
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109 fixed? YaaaaaaY!!
Time to play Main Arenas again
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It was a long and hard fight....
... oh what the heck, I'm just happy. :)
Seems all those testings and arguings weren't in vain.
Thanks, HT and Pyro.
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Originally posted by Bruno
I just flew a quick G-14 sortie in the main. While fighting Seafires, F4us, F6Fs and an obb ball niki I killed 5 with the 2cm and landed. The G-14 now pwns like should have from the start.
No more wobbles or floppiness. So much for those that argued that the 109s were correct before the patch.
I found that directional control at low speeds (especially inverted at high AoA) is still poor... the aircraft yaws badly. However, beyond that both the G-14 and K-4 are vastly improved. WTG HTC.
My regards,
Widewing
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The 109 and 190 are now quite competetive; I had a ball in the 190A-8 tonight.
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Just tried a quick few sorties to test it out.
It turns out that the largest benefactors of the new FM change, as was expected, was the 109...
...and quite unexpectedly, also the Ki-84..!
The Ki-84 is DA BOMB now.
I'm sure many of you guys would remember the discussions on Ki-84s. Most of the people who know how Ki-84s fly agree that its largest weakness, apart from maneuverability loss and disintegrating at high speeds, is that the plane was momentarily very unstable and twitchy just before it entered speeds that allowed its first notch of flaps to be deployed.
Ofcourse, once the flaps are deployed it can manage super-tight turns unlike any other. However, in order to reach that status the pilot had to go through a temporarily dangerous stage between 185mp~200mph IAS, where the plane became very unstable and 'twitchy' as the 109s were. It was during this phase where other planes had a window of opportunity to outmaneuver a Ki-84 and shoot it down, before the fight entered a stage where the Ki-84 excelled in.
Well, here's the good news for Ki-84 fans.
That's all gone.
You don't need to get all tense and shaky when getting ready to dump E and start lowering flaps. The plane flies crisp and stable right up to the point where the first notch of flaps pop out. No wobbling, no destabilization, no crazy snaprolls. Just throttle back, kick hard rudder, pull stick gently until signs of stall buffeting shows... and voila, the flaps are now ready to be deployed.
In other words...
...the Ki-84 has now officially become the first Axis fighter to join the annointed ranks of the "point-and-click" planes! It has now become bona-fide antidote to Spitfires(turny plane) and P-38s(crazy loopy plane) :D ... as now our Ki-84 is turnier than the Spit and loopier than the P-38!
Hurrah!
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The FM change did some interesting things. I played in the AvA areana and kept falling off the edge in the P40. I thought that was just the sound effects that make me misjudge the stall edge, but then I took a zeke and managed to throw it into a wild spin that took 3000 feet to recover.
These are not my usual rides so I need to test it with more familiar planes. Looks good so far.
Bozon
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Originally posted by Kweassa
You don't need to get all tense and shaky when getting ready to dump E and start lowering flaps. The plane flies crisp and stable right up to the point where the first notch of flaps pop out. No wobbling, no destabilization, no crazy snaprolls. Just throttle back, kick hard rudder, pull stick gently until signs of stall buffeting shows... and voila, the flaps are now ready to be deployed.
In other words...
...the Ki-84 has now officially become the first Axis fighter to join the annointed ranks of the "point-and-click" planes! It has now become bona-fide antidote to Spitfires(turny plane) and P-38s(crazy loopy plane) :D ... as now our Ki-84 is turnier than the Spit and loopier than the P-38!
Hurrah!
OH NO! They've ruined the Ki84 for me :(
Now all sissyfire pilots will change rides, it used to be such a fun plane! Not that I ever noticed the problem you are talking about, it was never unstable to me at those speed, only at 50mph was it unstable.
Oh well, can't wait till I get to try out the 109's. Well the Ki84 too but if it has indeed turned into a plane like that I won't be flying it much anymore.
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How are the 190 and 109 different in FM?? Turn better? More stable? Better acceleration?
Thanks
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Originally posted by Bruno
I just ran a level speed test at 16500ft:
100% Fuel, FBM = .001 (minimum; no fuel burn)
1 x 1 MG151/2cm 150 rounds
16400ft
WEP - 404 mph
MIL - 370 mph
It is still too slow at FTH... The numbers posted in the original bug report showed a calculated speed of 416 mph. I have seen other sources showing this same top speed. I was expecting more in the range of 410-415 mph...
This patch was an improvement over the original release but it is still not 'correct'.
Also, please add the option for 200 rounds of MG151/2cm for the G-14 and G-6...
Back on topic, what Bruno said. From Robert Michulec's Me109 Part 2:
(with MW50) take-off rating of the engine rose to 1.800hp, which in turn gave an output of 1.240hp and a top speed of about 630Km/h at 6.600mt. Using the MW50 injection it was possible to increase the power output to 1.700hp for about 30 minutes at an altitude of 5.000mt which gave additional 35Km/h. Using this mixture above 5.000mt was not possible becouse of the limited range of operation of the supercharger in DB605 A/AM engines.
It makes indeed about 415-416mph at about 16.500ft ... so the G-14 seems still underpowered at rated altitude. I'll test as soon as the wifeack will disengage me ... ;)
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Now this is interesting.
Version 2.07 has a built-in-game speed/climb rate chart which can be viewed from the hangar. This 'official' HTC chart states that the Bf109G-14 has a top speed of about 406mph or so.
In other words, it looks like this isn't a case of a bug or a minor error, but rather HTC made their judgement that the dataset they chose will represent the Bf109G-14 as having 406mph of top speed, period.
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Better get ready with some really really heavy amount of proof material, LW experts... seems like if people can't decisively prove and convince HTC that the Bf109G-14 should be faster than it is now, the 406mph cap might stay on for a long, long time.
The 1944 Bf109G-14 that we have in the game, has the same maximum speed as the 1942 Bf109G-2, albeit at a lower alttitude!
Now that's porked!
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I thought I had given reasonable sources in my original bug report:
Fth - 109g-14 (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=164744)
568 km/h (553 mph) 1740ps --- Emergency Power SL
665 km/h (413 mph) 1700ps --- Emergency Power 5,000m (16400 ft)
Right now its 7 to 10 mph to slow at FTH but I am not complaining, at least it didn't get worse :p