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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: Oldman731 on March 21, 2006, 10:12:01 PM
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We removed the B26s. I'm aware of no authority that the version of the B26 in use at Moresby in 1942 could outrun the version of the A6M at Lae at that time. More important, it appeared this evening that the Allies had been using the power of the Ultrabomber to take most of the bases on the map, which, in a short time, would have produced a repeat of the Sunday night fiasco.
We put SBDs on US carriers, as they should be. And, thanks to Platano's keen powers of observation, we will check out when the A6M5 should become enabled.
Now the request: Please please please remember that you DO NOT win the war in AvA. Taking all of a country's bases simply porks the arena, as occurred on Sunday evening, until a staffer learns of the problem and can get to a computer to fix it. If you see this happening, please let the perps know this - they may be new to the arena, and blissfully ignorant of the difference. If they aren't, please film it.
Thanks!
- oldman
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All ur basez are belongz to mey!!
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Originally posted by Grits
All ur basez are belongz to mey!!
.permaboot Grits
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The A6M5 should come out earlier if for no other reason then to sub for the A6M3. Plus the A6M3 was in fleet use by the Battle of Midway. You should leave the A6M2 available for those that want to fly through the entire setup as a KI-43 type sub.
The A20 is more than enough bomber. I know there were B-26s at Moresby prior to Guadalcanal. I have no idea what version though. You can probably bet it's much earlier the whatever version the B26 in AH is.
It's pretty funny though you leave the Allies with no bomber at all for two days. Nothing to defend against the Japanese fleets taking bases. Now that the shoe is on the other foot, and those fleets are in danger . We just can't have that.
As soon as something Storch doesn't like comes up you fix it at the sound of his first squeel. :lol Your getting soft OM.
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Originally posted by Shifty
It's pretty funny though you leave the Allies with no bomber at all for two days. Nothing to defend against the Japanese fleets taking bases. Now that the shoe is on the other foot, and those fleets are in danger . We just can't have that.
As soon as something Storch doesn't like comes up you fix it at the sound of his first squeel. :lol Your getting soft OM.
It's not like the Japanese had a twin-engine bomber for the first two days, Shifty. And, after all, during this period of the war it was them taking bases, not the US.
Removal of the B-26s, though, was principally the result of the arena nearing pork status.
- oldman
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Originally posted by Oldman731
It's not like the Japanese had a twin-engine bomber for the first two days, Shifty. And, after all, during this period of the war it was them taking bases, not the US.
Removal of the B-26s, though, was principally the result of the arena nearing pork status.
- oldman
They still had bombers, and were able to run the map Sunday. They had fleets everywhere , and there was nothing to keep them at bay. My point is........... Did anybody complain, or post a whine about it? The Allies took their lumps kept their mouths shut and rode it out best they could,, as always.
Mr Storch starts complaining about something and it's a problem, that needs fixed. Does everyone need to start behaving like Storch to get what they want?
Whats the purpose of this arena? In your first post on this thread you advise people not to take bases. In another thread in here, you advise people to just ride their planes in and die. It's like all your trying to do is promote a furball arena. If so why have base capture on at all, and why include bombers if your going to negate their ability to affect the battle? Just turn all of it off , and call it what it is. The furball arena.
By the way.............. This is not meant as an insult to you OM. I'm just curious as to what the hell the purpose of this arena is.
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The B-26 was removed for the reasons stated. Despite individual opinions about Storch, it doesnt mean he cant have a point now and again. A6M2 vs B-26 formations makes as much sense as a P-40B vs Ki-67 formation. Removing it makes sense, sorry. The A-20 is still there and plenty capable.
Base capture is still enabled, all that was asked was not to run the table and reset the map. Not asking too much and how that implies "Furball Only" is beyond me.
The A6M5 is going to be subbed for the A6M3.
The planeset will change soon.
It isnt the end of the world.
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You gotta admit one thing,with all those CV's around there was no long flights to find a fight.Granted there are those few that will use them to capture that lone base on an island all by it's self.:huh Cannot figure why there's no tactical advantge of owning it.
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Originally posted by Slash27
It isnt the end of the world.
Never said it was the end of the world.
Good call on subbing the A6M5 for the A6M3.
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Originally posted by Shifty
Whats the purpose of this arena? In your first post on this thread you advise people not to take bases. In another thread in here, you advise people to just ride their planes in and die. It's like all your trying to do is promote a furball arena. If so why have base capture on at all, and why include bombers if your going to negate their ability to affect the battle? Just turn all of it off , and call it what it is. The furball arena.
Bad morning, Shifty?
My first post doesn't advise people not to take bases. It advises them not to take all the bases, a far different thing, and the main reason for disabling the B-26s. We had the sense that there were people who wanted to achieve an arena reset. You know what this does, possibly they didn't.
People can ride their planes in and die, or they can bail and float majestically to earth. Both are historic options. Bailing and then teleporting to the tower is not.
Storch, if memory serves, only asked that B26 formations be turned off, not that B26s be disabled. We took the more drastic approach to deal with bigger problems.
The arena is what it has always been, Shifty, an arena that tries to use settings that are a bit more realistic, but mainly an arena that tries to stick to history. Seems to me it's actually doing that pretty well at that. Historically the Americans weren't rolling up the Solomons with B26s in 1942. OTOH, the fights we've been having with P-40s and A6Ms have encouraged both sides to use historical tactics. If you want to bomb and take bases, the resources are there for both sides.
I'm just a bit shocked to see all the complaining about the silly B26 thing. There was one guy last night, you'd have thought that we shot his dog.
- oldman
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you didn't shoot his dog but you sure did shoot his pork pony. I suspect that it would be SST150, he had singlehandedly dispatched 12 CV fleets with the B26s prior to my logging off. In fairness the dweebry was in full swing on both sides, especially last evening with members of grupul 7 gleefully capturing undefended bases. given that type of atmosphere I can understand the allied player's frustration and subsequent action with the B26s. Look at sfer's stats and see that he's captured over fifty (50) bases this tour. I have suggested that base capture be made a fifty + troop affair in the AvA. One hundred troops would be better, players like sfer would be the reason for the suggestion. I log on every day at 0500 just to attempt to prevent him from porking the map.
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Originally posted by Oldman731
Bad morning, Shifty?
- oldman
Actually I'm having a great morning.:)
I'm really not hot or cold on the B-26s. I do care about ignoring when one side is defanged , and not the other. The Japanese offensive threat was negated after Midway. Guadalcanal broke their back,,, Offense wise .
Is there going to be a representation of that, like the two days of just P-40s, and C-47s for the Allies? Are you going to show the effects of a Rabual
cut off from resupply, and left to the mercy of Allied air and naval forces? Of course not. There would be way too much complaining. Plus it would be a pain in the butt for the axis guys. Which believe it or not I don't want happening myself.
However this is basically what you did the first two days of this setup, to the Allies. Yet you wouldn't dare put the shoe on the other foot for fear of all the anti axis conspiracy complaints.
I just ask that you be aware that you do hamstring the Allies at times. Most of the time nobody complains. Thats doesn't mean it don't suck
I understand that somebody running the board will pork this arena. I also understand that guys that do fly bombers , want to have an effect on the battle. I theres a habit in here to frown upon mud movers, which leads to less people flying here. I'm glad to see the buff drivers no matter what side. The more they are here , the more that others will be attracted here.
My two cents OM.
Hope you have a great day:aok
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There's been a rash of early mornning CV killing going on.Players switch sides move fleets switch back and kill them.
Is there a way to set a time limit that will let you change country and then switch back after a set amount of time passes?
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I think setting a time limit would hurt the ability to balance the sides.
I check the numbers every time I log on and go to the lowest side, and then while I'm on, I'll check the balance from time to time and move if it gets unbalanced.
Plus, I like Storch, but I don't know if I've ever seen him have a point, but then again, he does wear a hat all the time, so maybe I've just never seen his point :D
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Originally posted by gear
There's been a rash of early mornning CV killing going on.Players switch sides move fleets switch back and kill them.
Is there a way to set a time limit that will let you change country and then switch back after a set amount of time passes?
Too bad you can't make so if you take command of a fleet , your automatically stuck on that side for a few hours, or days. The target manipulating is a problem that seems there is no good answer for. Do people do this for points? If so maybe turning the whole points and rating system off would help. if thats possible.
Of course this sounds like a good idea to me, if my rank is below 200 it just means 200 people havent flown in the arena yet.;)
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I feel that removing the B26s, was a sound, logical and thought out decision by the CT staff. Of course that is just my opinion.
It is also my opinion that your coming into this thread, acting the way you did Shifty, totally off-base, accusing the CT Staff of playing favortism to Storch's "whining" is just down right counter-productive.
We finally have a staff that is interested in player input, being pro-active, reacting to situations before they get out of hand and you find the need to chastise them??
I am all for you expressing your opinion Shifty and for one very much respect it. But don't you think you could have voiced your opinion in a much more constructive format? Give a list of your reasons for wanting to keep the B-26, be open to other's opinions and willing to debate them with the proper maturity level. In the end what is best for the arena and not for each individual should be the clear choice. I don't see by the "roadmap" you have chosen to layout will get you that result.
Unless your theory holds true..... Because you are acting like Storch.:(
Shifty, and I hope you take my post in the good nature I intended it. See you in the AvA!
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Originally posted by TheBug
Because you are acting like Storch
Heh. Shifty's just an old codger, like Storch and...er...um...me....
We aged ones are expected to be crotchety. Shifty and I go back aways, so there was no offense taken here. I instinctively knew he had missed his meds this morning... heh...
- oldman
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My mistake was mentioning Storch. He actually asked his question in a thoughtful manner. For his effort he got a remark from me, and a couple of others, that he didn't deserve on this thread.
My comments about Storch's influence were meant as a joke , and teasing OM about getting soft, hence the laughing face.
I was trying to point out the Allies were left with little to defend themselves for two days , and it was as if nobody noticed. As soon as the shoe was on the other foot something was done about it. I don't know how many times I agreed that the A20 was plenty , and I had no problem with the B26 being removed.
My point was pay attention to both sides , don't over compensate because one side doesn't raise hell everytime it's fangs are dulled. I didn't insult the AvA crew , as far as accusing them of being off their meds, or having a bad day. Thats whats been said to me, by OM. Now TheBug is telling me I'm acting like Storch. So again who has been insulting?
It's not like I want a one sided Allied setup ethier. I've been very vocal about suggesting subs to help beef up the Japanese planeset.
You guys act like I'm an extrahunk for asking questions about how the setup is being managed. I'm not a basher I don't spend the majority of my time knocking the AvA staff , or anybody else in here, or in the arena. I do point out things I see that I don't feel are correct.
I'm just asking if your going to worry about fairness for one side. Be just as deligent with the other. However it looks like you don't question the staff. So I won't. The only apology I'm going to offer though is to Storch
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You are right Shifty, now that you've pointed it out, I see the great constructive benefits of your post. Sorry I don't know what I was thinking.
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I didn't say they were constructive. Your comments about not seeing the roadmap are right on. I should have just said what I was thinking , not try to use any humor or beat around the bush. Or better yet just keep my thoughts to myself, which is what I'll try to do from now on. Your right, I'm wrong. I should never raise any questions concerning the setups
It's not like I can do anything about it anyway, so why worry about it?
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Shifty,
Nothing wrong with you questioning anything here imo.
I don't see you week after week nit picking what seems like every setup to death to fit your own agenda, then slamming everyone who doesn't agree.
It's easy enough to look back through this forum and see who makes the so called "constructive" posts and the juvenile comments that go with many of them.
I don't see you on that list.
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Thnx Foxx.
I just have to remember what seems brilliant , and witty to me , probably seems out in left field to others.
Theres that old saying.. "Better to be thought of as a fool, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
I'll try and remember that if I get the urge to post comments in the future.:)
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Originally posted by Shifty
Your right, I'm wrong. I should never raise any questions concerning the setups
I don't ever recall implying that you should never voice your concern. Actually I said the exact opposite and mentioned that I place value upon your opinion. It wasn't your message that I had a "beef" wiht it was the package you chose to wrap it in. That was ALL I was saying.
I personally think you could and should have a lot of influence in helping with the setups. But if you are sincere in that I think you might want to consider your approach. I meant my post strictly as friendly advice, like I said. Unless you are getting caught up in your frustrations I can see no way why you should take as "labeling you as an extrahunk"??
Have you considered, if you haven't already, possibly participating in the AvA development group?
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Originally posted by TheBug
Have you considered, if you haven't already, possibly participating in the AvA development group?
Actually I think I have. I've volunteered for just about everything I can think of concerning this arena. The development group may have come up as the CT development group when I was not paying attention, during my Wings Over Vietnam fetish last summer. If I didn't , it means I probably managed to miss the thread.
Ethier way , I'm really done this this episode. It's just not that big of a deal. I was frustrated Sunday, and Monday, at the lack of Allied ability to counter the IJN fleet with any kind of attack aircraft. I knew things would be different by Tuesday , so I rode it out. When Wednesday rolled around and a problem for the Axis was fixed already. I was amused , not frustrated. The main source of my amusement was the fact that there are constant complaints of Allied bias. I thought it would be fun to make a point about Sunday, and Monday, using a reversal of the old Allied Bias arguement.
Well it seems my sense of humor, and idea of fun is not shared by as many as I thought it might be. So all I did was open a can of worms over something that was already in the past, and just wasn't important. I failed to remember that staffers are constantly seeing complaints , and appreciate them even less when they come at them as half azzed jokes. So yes it's my fault the thread went down the toilet. The funniest thing about the whole episode is I agree the B26s were too much. I should have just kept my thoughts about Sunday, and Monday to myself. In the future I'll try and remember what i learned on this thread.
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Not even actively playing at this moment and yet the deja vu is strong here, Luke. ;)
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Originally posted by Arlo
Not even actively playing at this moment and yet the deja vu is strong here, Luke. ;)
Get back in your hole.
- oldman (looking around for whack-a-mole mallet)
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Originally posted by gear
There's been a rash of early mornning CV killing going on.Players switch sides move fleets switch back and kill them.
Is there a way to set a time limit that will let you change country and then switch back after a set amount of time passes?
I know i have been away for a long time but i still remember the things i learned when i was member of the staff and there are a few things that can be done to stop the porking, milking and early mornning CV killing.
NOTE These are only sugeestions.
1. As Storch suggested raise the base capture to thirty or fourty troops or you can change the down time on the field ack to half what it is so that it takes two or more people working together to take a base.
2.Set a time limit for when a player changes sides to an hour or even two. I know this will cause people to be upset but it's only an hour that's three sorties or in my case like sixity :lol.
3. I know i'm going to get flamed for this one but you can also set the carriers so that can't be moved which for this setup would be usless. You can also increase the amount of bombs it takes to destroy a carrier.
Like i said above these are only suggestions and the staff probably already considered them.
My 2 cents
Thanks to all the AvA staff