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Title: What will the next Space Vehicle for Nasa look like?
Post by: RAIDER14 on March 23, 2006, 11:13:55 PM

since the Shuttle fleet will retire in a few years what will NASA's next Space Vehicle look like? Have they revealed any pictures designs?:confused:

Title: What will the next Space Vehicle for Nasa look like?
Post by: Wolfala on March 23, 2006, 11:40:02 PM

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v650/dont155/Orbiter/CEV-E_396.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v650/dont155/Orbiter/CEV-E_397.jpg)


Apollo and the new CEV - which is a scaled up CM. A guy from Orbiter setup the situation and docked them.

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Post by: DREDIOCK on March 23, 2006, 11:52:20 PM

(http://www.memory-alpha.org/en/images/c/c4/Iks_kronos_one.jpg)

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Post by: eilif on March 24, 2006, 12:06:46 AM

(http://www.cecilw.com/photo/albums/misc/3670_wagon.sized.jpg)

Title: What will the next Space Vehicle for Nasa look like?
Post by: Debonair on March 24, 2006, 01:00:03 AM

Does anyine think it is possible that NASA will never again put people in space?

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Post by: Wolfala on March 24, 2006, 02:19:13 AM

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Originally posted by Debonair
Does anyine think it is possible that NASA will never again put people in space?

I think its possible NASA will take a backseat to corporate ventures.

Title: What will the next Space Vehicle for Nasa look like?
Post by: Goomba on March 24, 2006, 08:38:04 AM

I think NASA better seriously consider consulting with Burt Rutan and Co. concerning his recent successful X Prize shot.

His concept for a self-righting, self-aligning, non-computer controlled re-entry vehicle is a huge, huge paradigm shift in costs, safety and complexity for these kinds of vehicles.  In fact, during the prize-winning shot, the vehicle's limited guidance computer actually failed...and the thing lined up and dropped on course without a hitch.

Ever wonder what it would be like to live in the lifetime of a genius?  I think this cat's well and truly going down in history, and his concepts and developments in aerodynamics are as revolutionary as the Wright's.  NASA should be following this guy's lead...

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Post by: indy007 on March 24, 2006, 08:56:01 AM

Rutan's stuff is amazing. Wierd looking, but amazing.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/79/Scaled_395-L.jpg)

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/96/NASA-2000Starship.jpg)

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/de/Rutan_quickie_q2.jpg)

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/41/Scaled_Composites_Proteus_in_flight_1.jpg/750px-Scaled_Composites_Proteus_in_flight_1.jpg)

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Post by: Goomba on March 24, 2006, 09:37:20 AM

If you ask me, there's no aircraft designer/aerodynamicist that can even touch what this guy is capable of.

The designs are definitely atypical, which I believe is part of his genius...outside the box, and all that jazz.

I also think it makes his creations quite beautiful and sculptural...

Ever see his preliminary designs for a single-seat combat aircraft?  Backinthe 80's.  A little tiny composite thing, with a cruise-missile turbine engine and a 20mm chain gun.  The really cool thing was that he set the engine and cannon essentially side-by-side, and offset out from the centerline.. Engine intake on one side, cannon port on the other.  Cool stuff.

No doubt, this guy knows how air works.

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Post by: indy007 on March 24, 2006, 09:42:21 AM

Ever been unfortunate enough to watch Iron Eagle 3? The ARES makes an appearance in it as the Me263. Along with a P-51B dressed up as a 109, and a P-38 with turbo boosters.

To keep from hijacking this thread though, I think NASA will go back to the more traditional rocket launched pod ideas. At this point, the safety record is probably better, and it's most definately more cost effective than the space shuttle.

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Post by: Furball on March 24, 2006, 09:42:28 AM

he has also teamed up with the right company, i love richard branson's pioneering attitude.

those two will really set the pace for others to follow.

http://www.spacetoday.net/Summary/3014

http://www.virgingalactic.com/

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Post by: Goomba on March 24, 2006, 11:51:14 AM

ARES..That's it!  Thanks for the kick in the noggin' :D

However...the Iron Eagle thing...

Are we talking about the Iron Eagle where members of the Lollipop Skwad and Lou Gosset, Jr. steal F-15's to rescue someone's daddy?  

Urgh.  Bleh.  Ack.

The first one came out when I was young enough to possibly like the story, and it still blew chunks.

Personally, I couldn't get through the credits on 2, and ignored 3.  Just not my cup o' coffee.

Back to topic, tho...Someone needs to throw money at this guy.  He's smart, practical, deliberate and highly creative...and his team are equally astute and professional.  I don't doubt they could solve most problems presented them, given time and funds.

Kinda like the old NASA usta' be, when they could put men on the Moon using vacuum tubes and slide rules.

Makes ya' wonder, hmmm?

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Post by: Furball on March 24, 2006, 11:53:15 AM

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Originally posted by Goomba
Back to topic, tho...Someone needs to throw money at this guy.  He's smart, practical, deliberate and highly creative...and his team are equally astute and professional.  I don't doubt they could solve most problems presented them, given time and funds.

YEAH! great idea!!!!!

some entrepeneur....

someone smart....

someone rich....

someone already in the aviation industry....

someone with a pioneering attitude....

how about.. Sir Richard Branson??!?!?!

maybe they can start a space airline together called virgin galactic?

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Post by: Saintaw on March 24, 2006, 12:21:27 PM

That's when all those guys we laughed at when they purchased bits of the moon will laugh back at us, with a bank account the size of texas.

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Post by: Goomba on March 24, 2006, 12:33:02 PM

Sorry...a bit touchy there, are we Furball?  

Oh, please forgive me...I seem to have missed your all-important post back there.  Oh, the shame of it...

Turn the heat down on the kettle there, bud...

Cripes.

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Post by: AWMac on March 24, 2006, 12:43:31 PM

(http://www-rcf.usc.edu/~nagle/F6.jpeg)
:aok

Mac

Title: Re: What will the next Space Vehicle for Nasa look like?
Post by: Hoarach on March 24, 2006, 12:48:50 PM

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Originally posted by RAIDER14
since the Shuttle fleet will retire in a few years what will NASA's next Space Vehicle look like? Have they revealed any pictures designs?:confused:

I have orderend Air & Space magazine for about a year and that last issue talked about this subject.  They gave pictures of the next NASA shuttles and passenger shuttles.  Companies are making shuttles to bring average people into space starting between 2007 and 2009.  Many of these shuttles will only carry 1-2 passengers and others will carry up to 10.  But most are not cheap.  Some will cost $150,000-$200,000 per person for the cheaper shuttles and others will cost up to $500,000.

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Post by: Chairboy on March 24, 2006, 02:34:54 PM

Yep, we've been about "a year away" from commercial service to space for about 20 years now.  Don't put your ticket deposit in until they fire an engine test.

Commercial flight is the future, and I look forward to seeing what Rutan can do, but I have a couple of observations:

1. SpaceShipOne 're-entered' at a few hundred miles per hour because it was straight up and straight down.  There's nothing magical about that spacecraft, and the problems of hypersonic reentry still exist.  
2. Rutan's experience in high supersonic is limited.  I believe Scaled built the HyperX, but that was to spec.  I'd like to learn more about the expertise he has inhouse for highspeed regimes before going nutso about how he'll show NASA.

Don't get me wrong, I love Rutan's work, think the SS1 is super neat, and I don't know why everyone outside NASA's office is yelling 'Timberrrrrr!', but, reality check.

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Post by: Chairboy on March 24, 2006, 02:46:40 PM

BTW, Drrrrragon!  That's a commercial contender from SpaceX.  It's a CEV class vehicle developed in secret and just announced.  SpaceX makes the Falcon rockets, they have a launch coming up real shortly of their Falcon I, and the Dragon is designed for their Falcon 9, an EELV class launcher.  Guy from PayPal is paying for it.

http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewnews.html?id=1095

(http://images.spaceref.com/news/2006/space.x.11.m.jpg)

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Post by: Goomba on March 24, 2006, 03:03:40 PM

Can't dispute your observations, Chair, however...

I have no mystical illusions that Rutan will make magic, nor that SpaceshipOne was magic (and I know you used the term loosely) ...simply that his thinking arrived at a solution that was clean, elegant and reliable.  Not sure we'd get the same result from the NASA bureaucracy.

And the experience in high-energy flight dynamics may not be there, but I'm pretty sure that applying Rutan & Co. to the problems in this sphere will result in some really interesting and efficient solutions.

My point, really, is only that the track record is there.  Applying a proven intellect, a proven team, and a proven design methodology that stresses non-conventional solutions is a recipe for some success.  Sometimes we need to break the patterns of business-as-usual.

OTOH, he may find that the boys in the 60's were on the money, and there are limited improvements he can make.  Who knows?  I just like seeing what I think is the right guy for the job take a crack at it.

I wonder if NASA will go back to a traditional heavy-lift booster system for the next reusable re-entry vehicle?  At least, those systems are apparently more reliable than current configuration.

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Post by: Chairboy on March 24, 2006, 03:22:30 PM

Oh, I agree with ya, Goomba, on every point you made.  I was just heading off some of the fanboy overenthusiasm I've read here before from others, some of which don't understand the magnitude of difference between SS1's reentry vs. orbital re-entry.

Don't forget, I'm actually BUILDING a Rutan aircraft right now.  Nat Puffer modified it, but it's still a Long-EZ at heart. :D

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Post by: Goomba on March 24, 2006, 03:58:55 PM

Now I gotcha  :aok

Didn't forget you were building a Long-EZ...didn't know in the first place!   :D

That's a beaut of an aircraft, and one that I've always dreamed of building.  A dream to fly, too, so I hear.

Best of Luck to ya'!

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Post by: RAIDER14 on March 24, 2006, 04:01:52 PM

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Originally posted by Chairboy
BTW, Drrrrragon!  That's a commercial contender from SpaceX.  It's a CEV class vehicle developed in secret and just announced.  SpaceX makes the Falcon rockets, they have a launch coming up real shortly of their Falcon I, and the Dragon is designed for their Falcon 9, an EELV class launcher.  Guy from PayPal is paying for it.

http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewnews.html?id=1095

(http://images.spaceref.com/news/2006/space.x.11.m.jpg)

looks like a Apollo capsule

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Post by: Furball on March 24, 2006, 06:18:08 PM

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Originally posted by Goomba
Sorry...a bit touchy there, are we Furball?  

Oh, please forgive me...I seem to have missed your all-important post back there.  Oh, the shame of it...

Turn the heat down on the kettle there, bud...

Cripes.

i was only joking :aok

Title: Re: Re: What will the next Space Vehicle for Nasa look like?
Post by: DREDIOCK on March 24, 2006, 06:23:50 PM

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Originally posted by Hoarach
Companies are making shuttles to bring average people into space starting between 2007 and 2009.  Many of these shuttles will only carry 1-2 passengers and others will carry up to 10.  But most are not cheap.  Some will cost $150,000-$200,000 per person for the cheaper shuttles and others will cost up to $500,000.

heh, if you can afford the price tag.
the one thing your NOT is average.

LOL I wish they'd stop saying that

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Post by: Masherbrum on March 24, 2006, 08:20:12 PM

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Originally posted by Debonair
Does anyine think it is possible that NASA will never again put people in space?

I read almost two month ago, that NASA has full intentions to revisit the moon (by 2012 IIRC).

Karaya

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Post by: RAIDER14 on March 24, 2006, 09:28:25 PM

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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
(http://www.memory-alpha.org/en/images/c/c4/Iks_kronos_one.jpg)

maybe about 100 or 200 years from now they might have technology advanced enought to make Star Trek Type ships

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Post by: Chairboy on March 24, 2006, 11:35:29 PM

How many years until you get a joke?

tee hee

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Post by: RAIDER14 on March 24, 2006, 11:53:02 PM

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Originally posted by Chairboy
How many years until you get a joke?

tee hee

I'm stateing a fact I saw a special on Tv said that the U.S. Military/Goverment is experimenting with technology kinda like Star trek

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Post by: nirvana on March 25, 2006, 12:23:38 AM

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Originally posted by RAIDER14
I'm stateing a fact I saw a special on Tv said that the U.S. Military/Goverment is experimenting with technology kinda like Star trek

Don't you watch The History Channel?  William Shatner already said that EVERYONE copies Star Trek ideas.  Pffft:lol

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Post by: SFRT - Frenchy on March 25, 2006, 01:43:17 AM

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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
(http://www.memory-alpha.org/en/images/c/c4/Iks_kronos_one.jpg)

Mexicans have their own space program?

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Post by: RAIDER14 on March 25, 2006, 01:44:24 AM

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Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy
Mexicans have their own space program?

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl LMAO

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Post by: Maverick on March 25, 2006, 12:08:59 PM

Yep that's the Sombrero Poquito Destroyer. Wait until you see the Sombrero Grande Battleship!

The will be hanging from threads in a dark room near you soon!  Ole! :O

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Post by: eskimo2 on March 25, 2006, 03:13:17 PM

(http://analogik.com/_images/mm_rev_samorost_001.jpg)

Samorost (http://www.samorost2.net/samorost1/)

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Post by: weaselsan on March 25, 2006, 03:53:35 PM

(http://www.crimelibrary.com/graphics/photos/notorious_murders/celebrity/heidi_fleiss/6-2-Charlie-Sheen.jpg)