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Title: What's the big deal in changing sides?
Post by: LePaul on April 27, 2001, 09:20:00 PM
Didn't wanna post this in the General Forum since the flamers really seem to dive in over there, and this crowd seems a bit more mature and easy-going.

Been flying knights for a while, wasnt to impressed with some of the guys Id been flying with today and thought, what the heck, Ill see if my bish friends are on and want a Lanc driver.  Many of em tell me to plop on over, love to have me back for a while, and that I am always welcome at "home".  Cool!

Well, got the usual "traitor" messages from the children and a few personal ones that were beamed to me REALLY pissed me off.  So, I asked if any of the guys were up for a LONG lanc flight to knit HQ, and several hands went up.  Long story short...lead a gorgeous 4 lanc formation flight to my *beloved* Knights turf and leveled it.  Destroyed, zip, gone, bye bye    (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)  You wanna name call me and crap, take that kiddos! Muhahhaha!

And it was all in fun, but Im awed at how many people treat my like Im a traitor because, in the spirit of a game, opted to play with my other friends.  

Comments?  I know there are others that wander from side to side and wonder if they get to put up with this crap too    (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)


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Paul J. Busiere

Aces High Arena handle:  BD5Pilot
 http://bd5.checksix.net (http://bd5.checksix.net)
BD-5 "T" (TurboProp) 90% complete, first flight in 2001 (We hope!)

[This message has been edited by LePaul (edited 04-27-2001).]
Title: What's the big deal in changing sides?
Post by: Loyalist on April 27, 2001, 10:02:00 PM
I change it up once a month.  I don't see a big deal with it.  

Before anyone remarks about my name and the fact that I switich countries, yada, yada, yada, look into what a Loyalist is.  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Title: What's the big deal in changing sides?
Post by: Staga on April 27, 2001, 11:16:00 PM
AFAIK you changed side because you were pissed because some knights didn't listen your orders/squeaking.
Then you leveled our HQ with Lancs and keep on squeaking.
What should I think about you? Nothing.
Title: What's the big deal in changing sides?
Post by: LePaul on April 28, 2001, 12:19:00 AM
 
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Originally posted by Staga:
AFAIK you changed side because you were pissed because some knights didn't listen your orders/squeaking.
Then you leveled our HQ with Lancs and keep on squeaking.
What should I think about you? Nothing.

So I was squeaking?  Giving orders?  Oh please, what planet are you from?  I was asking what needed to be bombed, and thought I was doing a good job helping the effort.  You guys burned me and then went on and on about it, with great glee, in insulting me.  So, I went to the other teams where I was welcome, and quite frankly, in one fell swoop, kicked yer tulips and shut down your HQ.

You fly a bomber for 30 minutes and watch your efforts wasted because the people you are trying to assist are idiots.   But hey, you go on, acting as if you know all, and making an bellybutton of yourself.  



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Paul J. Busiere

Aces High Arena handle:  BD5Pilot
 http://bd5.checksix.net (http://bd5.checksix.net)
BD-5 "T" (TurboProp) 90% complete, first flight in 2001 (We hope!)
Title: What's the big deal in changing sides?
Post by: Kieran on April 28, 2001, 01:17:00 AM
1. Fly any side you like for any reason you like. It really can be that simple.

2. Understand that it is better to assume that no one on any side will do as you wish they would, so do as you wish to do. (see #1)
Title: What's the big deal in changing sides?
Post by: StSanta on April 28, 2001, 02:50:00 AM
TRAITOR.

 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)

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Von Santa
Staffelkapitän 9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
"If you return from a mission with a victory, but without your Rottenflieger, you have lost your battle."
- D. Hrabak, JG 54 "Grünherz"
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Title: What's the big deal in changing sides?
Post by: Sandman_SBM on April 28, 2001, 06:36:00 AM
It's your $30... fly any side you want whenever you want.

There's nothing immoral or unethical about changing sides. It's within the parameters of the game.

If they don't like it, tell 'em to pack sand... and use a hammer.
Title: What's the big deal in changing sides?
Post by: Sturm on April 28, 2001, 08:17:00 AM
BD5 well I don't care what they say if you feel like changing sides do it!!!  I have been thinking a lot about doing the same.  Doesn't matter to me about changing sides hell I did it a lot when I first got in this game.  granted I got kicked out of a group because I didn't know that changing sides was oh so taboo.

LOl to funny man you spend 30 bucks a month on this, I don't need no stinking other piots telling me what i can and cant do.  Glad you fragged the HQ, I always love flying in no DAR  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)  <S>

Title: What's the big deal in changing sides?
Post by: Toad on April 28, 2001, 08:44:00 AM
There is absolutely no end to the number of people who will demand that you play the game their way.

It goes from aircraft choice to fighting style to tactics to game features ad infinitum.

Do what you like and ignore them. Sure they have opinions.... and you know what those are like.   (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)

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Toad

Fly what you like. Like what you fly. Don't worry about what the other guy flies. It's a game.
Title: What's the big deal in changing sides?
Post by: bowser on April 28, 2001, 09:52:00 AM
"...So I was squeaking? Giving orders? Oh please, what planet are you from?..."

Actually I have heard you do exactly that on a couple of occasions.  Play your game, and let others play theirs.

Lighten' up, it's only a game.  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

bowser
Title: What's the big deal in changing sides?
Post by: LePaul on April 28, 2001, 09:18:00 PM
 
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Originally posted by bowser:
"...So I was squeaking? Giving orders? Oh please, what planet are you from?..."

Actually I have heard you do exactly that on a couple of occasions.  Play your game, and let others play theirs.

Lighten' up, it's only a game.   (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

bowser

News to me, I'd love to see you provide evidence....what one considers "orders" comes across to many as suggestions.

Just makes me feel so welcome to fly Knights in the future.  Wouldn't hold your breathe on me coming back...and hope you enjoy flying without radar, mu-ha-ha-ha-ha

 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

Its only a game.  Wanna get upset?  Fly aerobatics with me   (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)




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Paul J. Busiere

Aces High Arena handle:  BD5Pilot
 http://bd5.checksix.net (http://bd5.checksix.net)
BD-5 "T" (TurboProp) 90% complete, first flight in 2001 (We hope!)
Title: What's the big deal in changing sides?
Post by: Dowding on April 29, 2001, 04:57:00 AM
I was there BD5, and like on other occasions, you do tend to act like everyone should play the game 'your way' using your strategy.

And then you post a thread about people 'squeaking' at you to play the game their way.

How ironic.  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) Frankly I couldn't care less what other people do regarding the side they play for.

The way I saw it, when you couldn't get your own way (and people told you where to get off) you switched sides, bombed the hq as though we are supposed to be sorry you left the Knights. How pretentious!
Title: What's the big deal in changing sides?
Post by: StSanta on April 29, 2001, 05:03:00 AM
Gotta agree with Dowding here.

Knights may suck, but at least they do not tolerate desktop generals   (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).

And, when a reject desktop general starts gloating, most people will find it hard not to dismiss the individual in question as a complete git.

And, the loss of one pilot (except if it was one of the great, like Hristo, Mitsu, Cit etc) has only a minimal impact on the war.

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Von Santa
Staffelkapitän 9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
"If you return from a mission with a victory, but without your Rottenflieger, you have lost your battle."
- D. Hrabak, JG 54 "Grünherz"
 (http://stsantas.tripod.com/stsanta.jpg)

[This message has been edited by StSanta (edited 04-29-2001).]
Title: What's the big deal in changing sides?
Post by: Dowding on April 29, 2001, 05:53:00 AM
My sentiments exactly, Sir StSanta.  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)

I think all desktop generals, apart from Ripsnort (who actually does missions and doesn't whine about 'people should be doing this, people should be doing that'), should all congregate in another country so we can see how much better their approach would be.

Fun would be had by all.
Title: What's the big deal in changing sides?
Post by: bowser on April 29, 2001, 08:54:00 AM
You did ask.  If even a few people take the time to reply and tell you that you sometimes get a little "overbearing", it might be worthwhile examining your actions.

But then we all could be wrong BD5.  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

bowser
Title: What's the big deal in changing sides?
Post by: LePaul on April 29, 2001, 11:31:00 AM
Well, gentlemen, its certainly been enlightening now, hasnt it?  I largely fly bombers, and it takes me an hour to get to target to *help* you guys.  So, god forbid I try to coordinate with you, I'm a "Desktop General".  Ok, sure, whatever.  <chuckles, shakes head>.

But then again, I'm getting the big scrutiny from the furballers, and I don't recall seeing anyone of your names on the missions I've been in with Ripsnort.  You guys talk the talk...

But ya know what?  Its a game, a $30 one at that.  I listen to your text babbles like everyone else.  If you wanna think Im being a General, well be my guest.  You guys play the game as you wish, and I'll do the same.   (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)



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Paul J. Busiere

Aces High Arena handle:  BD5Pilot
 http://bd5.checksix.net (http://bd5.checksix.net)
BD-5 "T" (TurboProp) 90% complete, first flight in 2001 (We hope!)
Title: What's the big deal in changing sides?
Post by: Staga on April 29, 2001, 01:21:00 PM
So you did want to punish Knights by bombing the HQ ?
Title: What's the big deal in changing sides?
Post by: bowser on April 29, 2001, 01:40:00 PM
I guess we didn't tell you want you wanted to hear..oh well.

bowser
Title: What's the big deal in changing sides?
Post by: LePaul on April 29, 2001, 01:42:00 PM
Because I could   (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)

Made it through unopposed too!  So nyah nyah!



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Paul J. Busiere

Aces High Arena handle:  BD5Pilot
 http://bd5.checksix.net (http://bd5.checksix.net)
BD-5 "T" (TurboProp) 90% complete, first flight in 2001 (We hope!)
Title: What's the big deal in changing sides?
Post by: Eagler on April 29, 2001, 01:43:00 PM
Rook Rule !  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

<S> your sig StSanta .. best one yet!

Eagler
Title: What's the big deal in changing sides?
Post by: Staga on April 29, 2001, 01:45:00 PM
Nice to know your true nature Paul.
Title: What's the big deal in changing sides?
Post by: AKDejaVu on April 29, 2001, 02:47:00 PM
Our squad switches sides on a monthly basis.  It helps us to get to know more pilots and fly against more pilots.  We enjoy that aspect very much.

What we don't like is being labled as side changers.  We stick through it for whatever country we are flying for.  We've been on when countries have won and lost the war.. through thick and thin.  We only change when the callendar says its time.. not when we get sick of the people around us.

You have highlighted why those lables are thrown around.  Quiting a country out of frustration then attacking it does not bode well in many people's oppinions.

Thankyou for making it just a tad bit rougher on the squads that rotate tours.

<S>

AKDejaVu
Title: What's the big deal in changing sides?
Post by: LePaul on April 29, 2001, 10:07:00 PM
 
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
Our squad switches sides on a monthly basis.  It helps us to get to know more pilots and fly against more pilots.  We enjoy that aspect very much.

What we don't like is being labled as side changers.  We stick through it for whatever country we are flying for.  We've been on when countries have won and lost the war.. through thick and thin.  We only change when the callendar says its time.. not when we get sick of the people around us.

You have highlighted why those lables are thrown around.  Quiting a country out of frustration then attacking it does not bode well in many people's oppinions.

Thankyou for making it just a tad bit rougher on the squads that rotate tours.

<S>

AKDejaVu

Waaaaaaaah

For what its worth, I'm having a ball flying with the Bishops, Rooks and Knights.  Seems to be some sorta unofficial rule that while you can change sides any time you please, you arent allowed to fly against your former side.  And That, you display hugely.

Its been an eyeopener, finding out who the crybabies are, and which players are a great challenge to fly against (since up til a while ago, Id only flown WITH them).

You and Staga can rant on and on about 'how dare I attack' my former side.  Whatever.  My $30.  Whats-da-matter?  Scared to fly against me   (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

Get over it, its a game, and go have fun.



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Paul J. Busiere

Aces High Arena handle:  BD5Pilot
 http://bd5.checksix.net (http://bd5.checksix.net)
BD-5 "T" (TurboProp) 90% complete, first flight in 2001 (We hope!)
Title: What's the big deal in changing sides?
Post by: moose on April 29, 2001, 10:49:00 PM
seems that the knits and bishops are the only country that bickers about this.  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)


Moose.

100% rook
100% ASSassin too  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Title: What's the big deal in changing sides?
Post by: SOB on April 29, 2001, 11:15:00 PM
I occasionally switch to the rookies for a night.  Sometimes just for a change of pace, sometimes because it's late and the Bish have no Dar (the later it gets in the evening/early morning, the less tolerant I am to no radar   (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)), but only when I don't have any squaddies on.

I'm long past being annoyed with anything the Bish may or may not be doing.  Bish are a bunch of disorganized sods and I love 'em for it...and I fit right in   (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)  However, when I switch, my favorite country to fight is, yep, the Bish.  I can fight the Knits or Rookies anytime, but only when I switch countries can I have the pleasure of flying against my country mates.  It gets better when some of my squaddies log on after the fact and I'm able to meet 'em and fight with 'em...this usually results in my timely death   (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)


SOB


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Title: What's the big deal in changing sides?
Post by: SOB on April 29, 2001, 11:17:00 PM
Moose.

100% rook + 100% ASSassin = 100% Pansy   (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)

Title: What's the big deal in changing sides?
Post by: Dowding on April 30, 2001, 03:07:00 AM
LePaul/BD5pilot/whatever - the point is not that you changed sides. I couldn't give a flying w**k about that. It's your petulant attitude coupled with an ego that would have problems fitting inside the bomb-bay of a lancaster.

Considering how new you are to the game, you proceeded to tell everyone how to play and what strategy to employ. You'd then whine incessantly about how inept we are.

And the funny thing is, you don't see how annoying that could be!

Title: What's the big deal in changing sides?
Post by: LePaul on April 30, 2001, 02:51:00 PM
 
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Originally posted by Dowding:
LePaul/BD5pilot/whatever - the point is not that you changed sides. I couldn't give a flying w**k about that. It's your petulant attitude coupled with an ego that would have problems fitting inside the bomb-bay of a lancaster.

Considering how new you are to the game, you proceeded to tell everyone how to play and what strategy to employ. You'd then whine incessantly about how inept we are.

And the funny thing is, you don't see how annoying that could be!


How new I am?  Gee, been playing for over a year.....

Point its, I could care less what you think.  All I was trying to do was coordinate my Lancaster bombstrikes with whatever you guys were trying to acheive.  But you claim I'm a dictator for inquiring what you guys are doing...whatever....give live in your little world and we'll all wonder what color the sky is in it.

Odd how all the whines Im getting are from the Euro-folks.  <pphhtttt>



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Paul J. Busiere

Aces High Arena handle:  BD5Pilot
 http://bd5.checksix.net (http://bd5.checksix.net)
BD-5 "T" (TurboProp) 90% complete, first flight in 2001 (We hope!)
Title: What's the big deal in changing sides?
Post by: Dowding on April 30, 2001, 04:12:00 PM
 
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How new I am? Gee, been playing for over a year.....

Well, I retract my comment then. Just haven't noticed your handle before.

 
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Point its, I could care less what you think.

Jolly good.

 
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All I was trying to do was coordinate my Lancaster bombstrikes with whatever you guys were trying to acheive. But you claim I'm a dictator for inquiring what you guys are doing...

Err... wrong. You weren't asking for people to join your flight, you squeaked at people when they started doing other things in preference to your aims. I personally got a little tired of your griping - it seemed to happen whenever you were on. Sorry if that offends, but that's the impression I got.

 
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Odd how all the whines Im getting are from the Euro-folks. <pphhtttt>

Such a biting, incisive and, above all, witty comment. One would even go as far as to call it 'rapier-like'.

Perhaps we have less tolerance for egotists (90% complete or otherwise); I really don't know.
Title: What's the big deal in changing sides?
Post by: LePaul on April 30, 2001, 04:40:00 PM
<chuckle....>

Whatever, we agree to disagree.  I simply do not see where I was ever giving orders, simply trying to coordinate with what you guys were trying to do.  If that's a sin, I guess I'm guilty as charged.  Forgot, teamwork and Knits are dire opposites most of the time  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)



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Paul J. Busiere

Aces High Arena handle:  BD5Pilot
 http://bd5.checksix.net (http://bd5.checksix.net)
BD-5 "T" (TurboProp) 90% complete, first flight in 2001 (We hope!)
Title: What's the big deal in changing sides?
Post by: sling322 on April 30, 2001, 06:51:00 PM
 
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Originally posted by LePaul:
[BForgot, teamwork and Knits are dire opposites most of the time   (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)

[/B]

Well you better get the hell outta Bishland uf you are looking for teamwork.  We dont play that game here.   (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Title: What's the big deal in changing sides?
Post by: Dowding on May 01, 2001, 02:29:00 AM
Nice little 'joust' going on there. <S>  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)

Good luck organising the bishs - you really will need it.  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)