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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Gunthr on March 25, 2006, 12:18:25 PM
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What's the deal on all the protesting going on by illegal immigrants and others? Are they protesting their "right" to enter and remain in the country illegally?
It seems outragious. I know politicians are using this to get votes, but other than that, am I missing something here?
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do you know who this sign is for?:lol
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Nope... just your standard pandering.
IIRC, Latinos are the fastest growing "minority" in this country.
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(I love latinos, especially South Americans. Brazilians are the warmest, friendliest people I know, and Brazilian and Columbian women - wow, even the ones with big butts are sexy.)
Anyway, I think we better get our immigration policies in line with reality - if our economy wants them in, we should make it legal. Or not... just make up our freaking minds.
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one thing that is kinda scary that not to many people know about is the amount of growing hispanic political adtivist groups that are currently in S. Cali.
These groups are following in the footsteps of previsous groups by first invading the universities. Currenly there are several student colleges that are almost completly controled by one of these groups called Mecha (or something like that) These groups blatently seek the return of mexican territories to mexico and cut off any and all border security speech with cries of racism.
A politician cannot even engage in discussion of the border issue without pandering to such groups who are so quick to pull the race card.
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Like Gunslinger said, it's called racism if anything is said against them. If they want to live here they can drop the damn thug attitude of their countries and be respectful citizens or get the heck out. I don't like illegal immigration, and it's even worse when an illegal immigrant starts killing cops and the like. They have been killing the social security and welfare system for years though, so what's the problem now?:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Gunthr
What's the deal on all the protesting going on by illegal immigrants and others? Are they protesting their "right" to enter and remain in the country illegally?
It seems outragious. I know politicians are using this to get votes, but other than that, am I missing something here?
What I dont get. is when these protests are going on. Why The Immigration Dept doesnt show up with a bunch of busses and cart them all away en masse.
course if it were up to me. I'd let am protest in some isolated square and solve it with the dropping of a single Daisy cutter
Then hire the legal ones to clean up the mess.
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
What I dont get. is when these protests are going on. Why The Immigration Dept doesnt show up with a bunch of busses and cart them all away en masse.
course if it were up to me. I'd let am protest in some isolated square and solve it with the dropping of a single Daisy cutter
Then hire the legal ones to clean up the mess.
Like the video from Iraq in which a crowd of Iraqis are blown to hell?:lol
GOOD IDEA!
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
one thing that is kinda scary that not to many people know about is the amount of growing hispanic political adtivist groups that are currently in S. Cali.
I used to live in the East Bay, and one day a guy at work was complaining about all the mexicans moving in.
I told him that he lives across the bay from San Francisco, California... Just east of us is Vallejo, Vacaville, and Sacramento. Just to the south of us is Santa Cruz, San Jose, Alameda, ......
That being said, the big reason for the protest is that there is a new passle of laws being considered that would make illegal immigration illegal. Kind of like passing a new SC resolution.
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Wouldn't it be ironic if the nuclear or "dirty bomb" that is smuggled into the U.S. (In our lifetime, IMO) comes in through Mexico, and is detonated in L.A.?
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Ironic? No.
Funny? **** YEAH!
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Yep.. on the news I saw a big crowd of high school kids walk outta class, walk to a neighboring school.. with a police escort no less.. and then disrupt that school.
high school kids. protesting proposed legislation making it illegal to hire illegals.
high school kids vote?
If I was an LA taxpayer I'd be hugely pissed that my publicly funded school that's supposed to be educating kids is instead letting 'em walk around the neighborhood "protesting".
has sanity and reason become a scarce commodity? some days, it seems we're all bozo's on this bus...
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give them all an english language test. Those that speak english, and dont live in areas of the city with garish pink stores, can continue cleaning, landscaping, and dishwashing. Those that dont know a word of english should all be shipped to tierra del fuego.
the spanish language annoys me greatly and should go to hell
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See Rule #16
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actually the spanish language except in written form, cause then I can ridicule and laugh at the upside down question mark thing then.
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Ironically, that wasn't a coherant english sentence...
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Ironically, that wasn't a coherant english sentence...
omgz you are right, that aint. Otay, you type coherant english with a bottle of scotch in your system Mr Lasersailor. Now be quiet or the urge to unzip your windows shall start up again.
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Originally posted by Pooh21
give them all an english language test. Those that speak english, and dont live in areas of the city with garish pink stores, can continue cleaning, landscaping, and dishwashing. Those that dont know a word of english should all be shipped to tierra del fuego.
the spanish language annoys me greatly and should go to hell
omgz you are right, that aint. Otay, you type coherant english with a bottle of scotch in your system Mr Lasersailor. Now be quiet or the urge to unzip your windows shall start up again.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
Yep.. on the news I saw a big crowd of high school kids walk outta class, walk to a neighboring school.. with a police escort no less.. and then disrupt that school.
high school kids. protesting proposed legislation making it illegal to hire illegals.
high school kids vote?
If I was an LA taxpayer I'd be hugely pissed that my publicly funded school that's supposed to be educating kids is instead letting 'em walk around the neighborhood "protesting".
has sanity and reason become a scarce commodity? some days, it seems we're all bozo's on this bus...
That's just it, it's an invasion from within. There's many bleading hearts in california that want to give illegals the right to vote "just because they live and work here" Imagine that people that arent citizens voting on laws in a state.....imagine if they wanted to succeed.
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-032406protest_lat,0,1662563.story?coll=la-home-headlines
A day before organizers planned to rally downtown against U.S. border restrictions, hundreds of students walked out of four high schools in Los Angeles this morning to march for immigrant rights.
The atmosphere was festive as 500 Huntington Park High School students waved Mexican flags, held balloons colored green, white and red, and periodically broke into cheers of "Mexico! Mexico!"
"Without immigrants, this country wouldn't be anything," said Anna Benitez, 15, a ninth-grade student who moved to Los Angeles at age 5 with her mother from Mexico. "We're people. We're human beings. We're not criminals. We're in this country to work."
In a separate demonstration, another 1,500 students converged on Evergreen Park in Boyle Heights after walking out of classes at Garfield High School, Montebello High School and Roosevelt High School, according to Rafael Escobar, a Los Angeles Unified School District official.
The demonstration lasted about an hour, Escobar said.
"They are saying that we are terrorists, when the economy is based on immigrants," said William Pasillas, 14, of Garfield High School. He said his parents came from Mexico 30 years ago and are now citizens of the United States.
"They do good now, but why shouldn't other people get that opportunity?" said Pasillas.
A Montebello High School student, Jeannette Garcia, 15, said she participated to "make sure the Mexicans get their freedom, their rights."
The march Saturday is being organized to protest proposed federal legislation criminalizing illegal immigrants and erecting a wall along the U.S.-Mexican border. The issue has prompted protests throughout the country, with thousands massing today in Phoenix and in Milwaukee on Thursday, according to wire service accounts.
Locally, students walked out of Huntington Park High School about 8:10 a.m. Some 200 marched to nearby Bell High School, and another 200 went to South Gate High School, according to Ellen Morgan, spokesperson for the Los Angeles Unified School District.
"It's not fair what they're doing to the Mexicans," said Lizette Hernandez, 16. "They only want them to get visas, and then they want to kick them out."
Sauly Tinoco, 17, one of the protesters, said, "It's been very peaceful, so far. No one has been arrested. There haven't been any fights."
Bell and South Gate high schools were locked down before the Huntington Park marchers arrived.
Morgan said all the protesters were headed back to Huntington Park High School as of 11:30 a.m.
"We welcome freedom of speech and schools are encouraged to provide a forum for discussion on campus. But the district does not condone students trying to enter other campuses and disrupting the educational process," Morgan said.
Some 73% of the 877,010 LAUSD students this year are Latino, Morgan said. Huntington Park High School has about 2,850 students.
Saturday's march is being organized by several organizations, including the Coalition for Humane Immigrant Rights of Los Angeles.
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Originally posted by Pooh21
omgz you are right, that aint. Otay, you type coherant english with a bottle of scotch in your system Mr Lasersailor. Now be quiet or the urge to unzip your windows shall start up again.
Only a bottle? I had 2 scotches and about 6 or 7 beers in me when I wrote that.
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hang.... I bet the private schools didn't let the little mush brains out to protest.
lazs
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I have no problem with Mexican people living here.
just as long as they do it legally and try to asimilate into the american way of life.
In other words live act and speak american they should conform to our way of life not theres.
pay taxes and speak english thats all i ask for.
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Originally posted by fartwinkle
I have no problem with Mexican people living here.
just as long as they do it legally and try to asimilate into the american way of life.
In other words live act and speak american they should conform to our way of life not theres.
pay taxes and speak english thats all i ask for.
at most so cal colleges such speech is considered hate speech and racist as well.
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Bottom line.....
If you are in the US illegally then it is a crime. PERIOD DOT!
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Originally posted by Gunthr
(I love latinos, especially South Americans. Brazilians are the warmest, friendliest people I know, and Brazilian and Columbian women - wow, even the ones with big butts are sexy.)
That's right, I'm the friendliest.
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There seems to be new legislation forthcoming regarding illegal immigration. Per Yahoo today.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060326/ap_on_go_co/immigration
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See Rule #5
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As soon as they set foot over the border, they have now "invaded" our land. Why is it so hard for people to see it that way?
What would be so hard with rounding them all up, loading them back onto box trucks and dumping them back on there land.
The dishwashing, landscaping, and all the jobs that pay next to nothing used to be available for the teenagers, so they could earn some cash to take out there girls, and gain a little respect from there parents.
I know if i was 16 years old and looking for a job, i wouldnt want to work with 15 guys named chico, and another 15 named jose, that called me a stupid gringo, and treated me like an outsider in my own country.
Society is headed in a downward spiral, much like in a toilet, and eventually it will wind up in the sewer.
We live in a melting pot, but the pots already boiled over..
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My wife came here legally. Cost an arm and a leg to make it happen. I have no sympathy for anyone who goes around the system.
Sorry
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See Rule #4
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Ironically, that wasn't a coherant english sentence...
Ironically you spelled coherent wrong.
shamus
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Actually, I sat there for 5 minutes debating 'E' or 'A'. A dictionary occured to me, but I'll be damned if one of those will get the best of me.
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Atta boy Laser. When it doubt, make it up! Thats the O'Club tradition after all. :)
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Illegal Immigration is just that, illegal. What are these idiots trying to prove?
At my summer job as a cook, I have to speak Spanish to work with them. In an American restaurant. Its ridiculous, why do I have to learn their language in my country? Half of them aren't even legal and it ticks me off that we have to consent to them in the work place.
Call me a xenophobe or whatever, this isn't 200 years ago with revolution and patriots and whatnot, its legitamacy and laws. You want in on the party you need to pay and not cause trouble.
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See Rule #4
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I was illegal, and I quite didn't have a choice. Only way to get my papers was to marry a crackhead, and live hell for 2 years.
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Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy
I was illegal, and I quite didn't have a choice.
How in god's name did you not have a choice?
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Thrawn,
I suppose it would have been due to at least one or more items. Lack of planning, poor choices made, lack of research etc. during his time here. I'm not trying to make light of the situation but immigration problems are usually self inflicted.
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**** Frenchy, that had to suck :)
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What I find ironic is that criminals (the operative word in 'illegal aliens' is....ILLEGAL!) are protesting their right to be criminals.
One more irony...an illegal alien, by definition, is NOT a US citizen. So, how does a foreign criminal come into my country and demand his RIGHTS? You know, the rights due every American Citizen?
No one is 'against immigration'. With a few, a very few, exceptions, each and every last one of us (me included) is from an immigrant family...even if your family got off the boat at Plymouth. Keep that in mind. And when my family came here, they couldn't speak the language either...but they learned.
Migrant laborers are an essential part of our economy, and are some of the hardest working people you'll ever meet. To declare that 'we don't need 'em ' is ridiculous, demonstrates a total lack of clarity on the issue. One day of real 'stoop labor' in a california field will break down most of that particular attitude.
I find it mortally offensive for someone to break in my back window, steal my money, steal good and services from me, then scream about being mistreated...all while the front door stood open all the time.
We have an immigration policy, and laws controlling it. People can, and do, immigrate LEGALLY to this country every day...and I'm glad they're here. Nothing is more moving than watching a citizenship ceremony in person...those people know more about what being an American is than many of us...they don't take being here for granted.
I will never condone any more of this amnesty crap, nor will I back any reduction in the immigration controls. Hell...I think they ought to be more intense. These are dangerous days, and caution is prudent.
This country owes no burden to every single living soul on the planet, just for the asking. We hold ourselves to a high standard, we fail, and we continue to self-evaluate, and argue, and debate and try to improve. You find much better anywhere, you let me know. I make no mistake that we are somehow infallible.
If you cannot get in line and play by the rules in the first place, the you have no place here. You simply can't be trusted. I'm tired of people who will curse and insult my country, then come here because they can't stand living in the hellhole they were born in, then start screaming about their rights! If I move to Italy tomorrow, cheat on my visa, overstay, and go into hiding...you think the Italians owe me rights? Think they owe me a job, and an education, and a driver's license, and an application for welfare, or workmen's comp, or whatever? Please. How much poker do you play with a guy who cheats on the very first hand?
You want the Rights and Priviledges that come with being an American citizen? Then start with abiding by the Rule of Law, and get used to the obligations that come with it. Anyone who can do that, who can use the front door, is welcome. Hell, move in on my street...I'd be glad to know ya'.
It was good enough for my family...it's good enough for theirs.
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^^^
Well done!
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Dang Goomba,..well said.
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I agree with your take too, Goomba. I blame our politicians for this. They've been willing to look the other way for so long that the illegals seem to actually believe that they had tacit permission to enter and therefore have acquired "property" rights to unemployment, education, health care, and so on.
It will be interesting to see how they handle this.
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Why would a politician give a rat's poop about what an illegal thinks? It's not like they can vote. I have a hard enough time getting the attention of a politician, and I CAN vote. Sheesh.
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TY, Gentlemen.
"Tacit permission" and "aqcuired rights"...exactly.
They've been here for some period of time (all as a law-breaking criminal) so they must be "entitled". If you ask me, the victim mentality and 'entitlements' will crush us all.
I'm afraid that it's not the votes of the illegals that our ever-lovin' "leaders" are after. They want the bleeding-heart vote.
I'm not suggesting the liberal/conservative thing...I refer to those persons who simply don't think there should be limits at all. Those who feel better about themselves for never saying 'No' to anybody. Or those blissful souls who, without meaning harm, simply do not see how complex and intertwined these things are, and how unregulated, unenforced immigration WILL drain this country's resources. I'm afraid that there are a LOT of uninformed voters like this.
You can't take out unless you put your full measure in, and stand to be accounted for. Playing only part of the game don't count.
I only need to look as far as my own neighborhood: The legal immigrants, Mexican, down the block from me are great people. Two of the elders of the family have just been able to get their citizenship (after the requisite, what, 7 years?), and we threw a party. OTOH, I was robbed by an illegal immigrant.
It's about a kind of person, not nationalities. Those who will ante up, square off, and kick in should be considered a national treasure. We are a nation of leftovers, outcasts and mutts...and it makes us powerful.
Those who rationalize, lie, cheat, falsify, and take...can go back home with my boot in the...right direction.
If there is a reason that a man can't raise a family in safety, and with a decent job, in his own homeland, then I say they need to go back and get the job done, not come here and demand what they have not earned.
I say it again....if you insist on breaking in the back window, when the front door is open...How in THE hell do you justify yourself?
It's like offering to shake a man's hand, and getting mugged for your trouble.
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My wife and her family came over here by the legal immigration route.
She's not too pleased to be seeing this crap on TV.
She even went through the naturalization process so she could vote. Now, if I could get her to vote the same way I do, then we'd have real progress!!
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If there not working and they are commiting crimes send em back even though California,Arizona,New Mexico and Texas population would greatly decrease;) they are stealing jobs from the REAL AMERICANS
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Raider,
They're doing jobs "real" Americans don't want to do.
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how do you know REAL AMERICANS don't want to do those jobs
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That does not make it right, and is just a rationalization or excuse to avoid the issue.
If CA wants them to have all the perks of being an American, without becoming an American, then let's send all of the illegals to CA and let CA pay for all the items which the fed would pay for Americans.
Taking money from my family and giving it to those who do not pay taxes here,...well,....I am going to stop there as going any further would violate several forum rules we have.
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HEHEHE, Skuzzy just modded himself:lol
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Hey, if I cannot mod myself, who can? :D
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The guys in India will be demanding to be let in saying they are doing jobs that the "real" Americans don't want to do, or there would not be so many jobs going to India, but alas, they don't have a common border with the U.S.
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The guys from India are already here
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but most of them are probaly here LEGALLY
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Originally posted by Thrawn
How in god's name did you not have a choice?
I was a fully certified FAA pilot, lost Work Visa after Sept11, illegal in USA, wishing to stay in USA, looking for a job. Tell me what I need to do to become legal? What are my choices?
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Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy
I was a fully certified FAA pilot, lost Work Visa after Sept11, illegal in USA, wishing to stay in USA, looking for a job. Tell me what I need to do to become legal? What are my choices?
Yeah, I wanted to steal/kill/defraud someone/something. It was illegal but I wanted to do it, so what choice did I have.
You put your selfish desires over the laws of a country that was nice enough to host you for awhile. You choice was to go back home or break the laws of that country.
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Why would a politician give a rat's poop about what an illegal thinks? It's not like they can vote. I have a hard enough time getting the attention of a politician, and I CAN vote. Sheesh.
Come on Skuzzy, you know better than that...the lobby guys.
shamus
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Because they'd be doing them right now....
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
That does not make it right, and is just a rationalization or excuse to avoid the issue.
If CA wants them to have all the perks of being an American, without becoming an American, then let's send all of the illegals to CA and let CA pay for all the items which the fed would pay for Americans.
Taking money from my family and giving it to those who do not pay taxes here,...well,....I am going to stop there as going any further would violate several forum rules we have.
Was this directed at my comment, Skuzzy?
Don't get me wrong, I think this whole issue is a load of crap. They're here illegally, and shouldn't get rights that legal residents of the US have, period.
But saying they are taking jobs from "real" Americans is a load of crap. Last I looked the guys doing the work mowing lawns and landscaping around here are hispanic....now the guys that own those companies, they're white and are REAL AMERICANS....hiring guess what....ILLEGALS.
We frikkin' do this to ourselves every damn time......I'd be willing to wager that the guys that hire these illegals vote Republican.
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Thrawn, I think the point is few things mattered as much as staying to live and work where he wanted to.
Dodgy as getting there was, it wasn't with illegal precedents or intentions.
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Originally posted by moot
Thrawn, I think the point is few things mattered as much as staying to live and work where he wanted to.
Dodgy as getting there was, it wasn't with illegal precedents or intentions.
I don't buy it. You get a visa for a certain period of time. You plan so you can leave at that time. If you don't, then you certainly are planning on breaking the law.
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The way I read it, the visa was unexpectedly dropped after 9/11.
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Why would a politician give a rat's poop about what an illegal thinks? It's not like they can vote. I have a hard enough time getting the attention of a politician, and I CAN vote. Sheesh.
Skuzzy I think it might have something to do with the LARGE hispanic population we have in Texas and other boarder states.
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I meet so many Americans that say something like : "You want to stay, become legal".
Off course I want to be legal dumbkuff.
Few are aware that being legal is not as simple as "go pay several grands to a layer, or find someone to sponsor you". Since Sept11, immigration laws do not allow you to become legal even if someone wishes to hire you. The "only" way is to get married. Especially in aviation where Work Visas are not accepted.
As I said, you do not quite have a choice. You are not offered the opportunity to straighten out, thus you stay illegal. Thus you don't pay taxes, you drive without insurance, you drive without a driving licence, and all the bad stuff.
Claim "go home" all you want, those guys left their country, and are picking cheries for $4/h, while their wife clean your restrooms. They are here to stay, "go home" is not going to impress them.
The Latino comunauty is fairly well known for helping each other, and is a fairy significant work force in USA. I agree they have no right to protest, but they have a political power, after all the Mayor of L.A. is Latino.
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ILLLLLLLLLLEEEEEEGGGGGGALLLLL LLLLLLL\
For pete's sake.....
Look....I cant waltz into another country and live there....I CANT....
Go through the proper procedures via the state department or whichever entity you choose....
ILLLLLEEEEEGGGGGAAAALLLLLLLL
there my rant is over.....do it the PROPER way like my grandparents did on both sides of the family.....sorry but it is not a right to live in this nation....it is something that is earned and should be cherished when gained.
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For Frenchy.....
Here is your starting point....although I am not quite sure if you are a citizen or here on another visa.....http://www.usimmigrationsupport.org/ (http://www.usimmigrationsupport.org/)
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[SIZE=10]What is the proper procedure?[/SIZE]
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Get an application and go through the instructions?????
Thats where I would start
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http://www.800citizen.com/?citizenship= (http://www.800citizen.com/?citizenship=)
Just search on the internet...how do I become a US citzen....start there...and begin....are you a citizen now?
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You cannot do that. You need a company to do that for you, no "Self-petitioning".
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It makes you wonder though, why are so many of the protestors are waving Mexican flags and not US flags?
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Frenchy,
I am by no means the expert in how to become a US Citizen...but people do it. All I can offer is a quick link I can get off the net.....
However, I would think that you could go to the statehouse or the library and start a search on how to do this....application, test, meet requirements....
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Ahhhh...frenchy I think I get what you are saying...
You are here illegally now?????
Hmmmmm.....you would have to be here legally as far as I know then start the process the proper way.
Other than that I dont know what else to say......good luck!
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http://uscis.gov/graphics/services/natz/index.htm (http://uscis.gov/graphics/services/natz/index.htm)
This is the best link I could find Frenchy....Good Luck.....
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*thunk*thunk*thunk*
McFly? Anybody home, McFly?
.. he's pointing out the bureaucratic catch-22 proccedures and hoop hopping laid in the path of any illegal (or soon to be) visa holder in this country that decides he wan't to stay to getting legal documentation and from there, citizenship.
Frenchy has made it clear up thread that he's LEGAL, and he had to do it via marrige.. to a crack head that put him thru 2 years of living hell... which he would have gladly forgone had there been ANY OTHER WAY.
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Hangtime....You have a PM......
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that's nice....
Thanks sweetie; but I'm washing my hair tonight.
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"Off course I want to be legal dumbkuff. " <----started my confusion or perhaps not with trying to help
I may have taken this the wrong way Frenchy, Personally I could not tell if you were or were not a citizen and I asked for clarification earlier and got no response So I did my best to help.
See above Hangtime, in my post....as I so clearly asked...:rolleyes:
And as far as a catch 22......look no one stated that it would be easy to become a US citzen....and no one stated that it was guaranteed but you have to start somewhere right?????
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If there's going to be useful immigration reform, then the process of applying for citizenship.. particularly the de-humanizing and assinine process thats in place now, needs to be reformed as well. I know several euro's here on work visa's that want to stay and can't.. They must return home and apply for an immigration visa (big bucks, many years) or marry an American. No other options.
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Hey Thx Guttboy, appreciated the help, but I'm already legal. Like Hangtime figured it out, there's a lot obstacles.
Let's say u want to live/work in USA. You have to find a company that will sponsor you. You cannot selfpetition yourself. You cannot come to USA as a tourist to look for work either, it's illegal.
So what's left, is to send resumes via mail to companies, which of course, will never asnwer you back except if you are a nuclear scientist who happened to discover the time machine.
The problem that I encountered was that in aviation, it is almost impossible to have a company to sponsor you. Because when you try to get a work visa, it needs to be "Special skill". Even with the flying airshow team those guys wanted to sponsor me, as they wanted me because I was flying better than any US pilot they trained. You think that would qualify as a special skill. yet, when meeting with an Immigration employee, she said "will not go thru".
Before Sept 11, u had no excuses to be illegal, because if you had a job, you could get sponsored for a visa. But not anymore.
Plus Immigration processing is a nightmare. You cannot get an appointment "just to ask". Your paper work processing takes years (1.5 year to even ear from INS), and you get bounced back an another year for "not following the correct format to display an address. ... and off course, as Nomde had the chance to experience with me, you are treated like a cow at the meat market.
I had to prostitute myself for 2 years, living ina dump working overtime on foodstamps, to afford a $4000 layer, $2000 INS fee, $1000 psy fee, $$$ crackheadwifebloodsucker to get straight.
Not over way to get legal sounds unreal.
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Mexico and Illegals > Americas eternal Cockroachs ! :mad:
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The reason its so difficult to come to the US legally? Because we can't handle the ones that are here illegally. Take care of them, and I'll have no problem getting productive, educated, and/or skilled people here legally. We need immigration, but not to create a new underclass. We've already got one of those.
The people to be mad at are the illegals... they're the ones ruining the legal immigration pathways for the rest of the world. Our legal immigration policies should be reformed, but it can't happen until we get our illegal pathways under control.
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Originally posted by Tarmac
The reason its so difficult to come to the US legally? Because we can't handle the ones that are here illegally. Take care of them, and I'll have no problem getting productive, educated, and/or skilled people here legally. We need immigration, but not to create a new underclass. We've already got one of those.
The people to be mad at are the illegals... they're the ones ruining the legal immigration pathways for the rest of the world. Our legal immigration policies should be reformed, but it can't happen until we get our illegal pathways under control.
Those and the Bastage U.S. President Bush and his suck butt Senators , on both sides of the isle, supporting them !
Guess who pays has to continue paying more and more taxes to support
the cockroaches ? ........
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I think Hang's got it right.
Frenchy - you reflect a couple of the most important things; On the upside, you are a skilled, productive member of society. I'm glad you want to be part of mine. It's worth being proud of. I'm sorry you had a hard time of it.
On the other hand, you can't just rationalize breaking the law. It's just too weak an arguement. Neither can some millions of others, wherever they come from. It's not about bashing Mexicans, or Indians, or anybody else. The system cannot support more than contribute to it.
It also ain't right.
Then again, another big part of the issue is that a constructive kind of reform is most assuredly in order. The system is a total train-wreck, with all kinds of bureaucratic nightmares, and needs a big fix. That's to include making the process simpler for those who can meet requirements. But there has to be a limit, to maintain balance and security. It's not unjust to want to know who's here, what they're all about, where they are, and have them pay their way...like every other legal citizen does.
I may not be willing to back any amnesty or softening of the laws, but I'll damned sure back a positive, systemic change that addresses the obstructions and oversights. The worst problem should only be a waiting list. Our doors should always be open to a positive flow of good people.
Tragically, we wait upon our fearless leaders to send money (lots of it) towards an unglamorous agenda. I guess we get what we vote for.
(Checkers, dude...reconsider)
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Originally posted by Goomba
I think Hang's got it right.
Frenchy - you reflect a couple of the most important things; On the upside, you are a skilled, productive member of society. I'm glad you want to be part of mine. It's worth being proud of. I'm sorry you had a hard time of it.
On the other hand, you can't just rationalize breaking the law. It's just too weak an arguement. Neither can some millions of others, wherever they come from. It's not about bashing Mexicans, or Indians, or anybody else. The system cannot support more than contribute to it.
It also ain't right.
Then again, another big part of the issue is that a constructive kind of reform is most assuredly in order. The system is a total train-wreck, with all kinds of bureaucratic nightmares, and needs a big fix. That's to include making the process simpler for those who can meet requirements. But there has to be a limit, to maintain balance and security. It's not unjust to want to know who's here, what they're all about, where they are, and have them pay their way...like every other legal citizen does.
I may not be willing to back any amnesty or softening of the laws, but I'll damned sure back a positive, systemic change that addresses the obstructions and oversights. The worst problem should only be a waiting list. Our doors should always be open to a positive flow of good people.
Tragically, we wait upon our fearless leaders to send money (lots of it) towards an unglamorous agenda. I guess we get what we vote for.
(Checkers, dude...reconsider)
Reconsider ? Okeh , How about this ,
Just enforce the GXX DaXm Laws for a reconsideration !
That would be something orignal ...on our borders wouldn't !
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it's not only damn nigh impossible once yer here to get papered... attempting the 'legal system' of the country your trying to leave is often even more corrupt, inept, impossible and dehumanizing than ours.
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I was only referring to your particular choice of words.
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Originally posted by CHECKERS
Reconsider ? Okeh , How about this ,
Just enforce the GXX DaXm Laws for a reconsideration !
That would be something orignal ...on our borders wouldn't !
Here is a little somting else , I would love to see as a requirement of all Americans , That they serve in the armed services for 2 years ....
I wonder how many of those Mexican Flag waving high school kids would be ditching school today in protest of the Illegal's rights in this country ,
knowing that they would have to defend The USA at age 18 ? ...
Viva LaRazza ..... :rofl
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
What I dont get. is when these protests are going on. Why The Immigration Dept doesnt show up with a bunch of busses and cart them all away en masse.
course if it were up to me. I'd let am protest in some isolated square and solve it with the dropping of a single Daisy cutter
Then hire the legal ones to clean up the mess.
I can tell you this, it is literally AGAINST "policy" for 100% of ALL Law Enforcement in Ca to make or "aid" in the arrest of anyone based on unlawful immigration status. If the INS was doing a raid, we were not even supposed to be close enough to watch, we were not to give the impression we were involved in immigration matters what-so-ever.
The now infamous LAPD CRASH units were at one point surreptitiously working in conjunction with the INS and they were deporting all kinds of criminal aliens... actually making a difference getting rid of some of these pukes. But when that whole mess blew up, the local vocals screamed and yelled about how LAPD was enforcing immigration laws against its own policy.
6 years trolling in East LA I have had people flat out admit they were here illegally, standing there in uniform with the power to enforce the "laws" at my disposal, well... except "those" laws, enforce those laws and get fired.
Anyone who thinks they all come here to work hard and all that, I invite you to the 605 freeway at the Arrow Highway underpass (inside the Big Dalton Wash). Under the freeway they live in caves, dozens of them, these guys are parasites, former death squad members fleeing some banana republic, escaped from some Mexican jail cell... we would only go down there during the day, armed with MP5s and in platoon formation. These guys do one thing, rip off those illegals that do work, or where ever opportunity knocked. Rapes of young girls was the most common, invasion robberies a close second.
Yet they could scream "Yo soy illegal" and laugh in our faces knowing there was little, legally anyway, we could do about it. We were NOT allowed to call the INS either.
There were ways around it though...
The only exception is at the LA Sheriffs Main County Jail where a small INS unit regularly dumps them off over the border near Texas, the trick was getting em there... but once I did all it took was a phone call to the proper agent and voila.. no more alien. Of course even my making those calls could have got my in trouble, bigtime, so I usually called in and ID'd myself as "Detective Smith" or "Officer Gates"
So.. you will never see a large local police force ever enforcing Federal immigration laws with busses, ever.
However, should that ever change, I'd volenteer my time to drive one of those busses... lob tear gas, man the fire hose or whatever.
Spew all warm & cuddely politically correct chatter you want, then look around most of Los Angeles.... its stating to look & smell like a 3rd world filth hole. Nobody lest these people waiting to work use the restroom, so your yard or 7-11 alley becomes a giant toilet, which apparently so reminds some of them of "home", they just basically live there in the filth until the city finally comes along and moves them 2 blocks this or that way.
LAPD is way too inept & nuetered to do anything about it, they'd rather spend my tax $$ on Andy Gump poop-boxes and $40 hotel vouchers.. you can bet that if I was hanging my hog leaking all over the alley, my fishbelly whiteass would get cited, probably arrested.. but if the illegals do it, LAPD gets out, holds & helps shake the dew off the lilly apologizing for having cold hands.
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Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy
The Latino comunauty is fairly well known for helping each other, and is a fairy significant work force in USA. I agree they have no right to protest, but they have a political power, after all the Mayor of L.A. is Latino.
I think with close to a million taking to the streets in protest (despite what the majority in here think, the majority of the protesters were either US citizens or legal residents), we have shown that we are a political power, albeit one without a good leader. But that scares middle America and their Anglo sensibilities, they shudder and have nightmares at the thought of a Hispanic having any real political power.
You still in LA Frenchy? Moving up there next week myself, Marina Del Rey for a couple of months until I can find a place near Venice or Santa Monica.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
I think with close to a million taking to the streets in protest (despite what the majority in here think, the majority of the protesters were either US citizens or legal residents), we have shown that we are a political power, albeit one without a good leader. But that scares middle America and their Anglo sensibilities, they shudder and have nightmares at the thought of a Hispanic having any real political power.
ack-ack
We? Who's we? You're illegal too?
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As illegal as you are Tarmac.
ack-ack
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So who's this "we" that you refer to?
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what if
Gov will remove all illegals from US
How its going to affect prices of food, transportation, labour
With lack hands to work prices are not going to sky rocket?
how much will cost to remove 12-14 milions of people from US?
thats only costs, what regular citizen going to earn on this new law?
Is not better to get money from them? They allready here.
Let them pay fine , give permit to work for limited time (with no benefits like welfer, uneployment support.) All this with chance to apply for green card.
If they pay taxes after 4-5 years give them chance to get green card, after another 5 years citizenship.
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Great. Criminal foreigners are a "political power". Excellent.
Which part, illegal or aliens, is so hard to grasp? There are LEGAL ways to come here. How can anyone rationalize that away? How can you consider yourself entitled to that which you have not earned? It simply isn't yours to demand, just because you decided you didn't like it at home.
Cripes, if I kicked in the back door and moved my family into your house tomorrow, against your will and without your permission, you'd still consider it my right? Welcome me with open arms, feed me, give me money because I demanded it? Knowingly breaking the law, then flatly demanding to be given your "rights", means you don't know the first thing about being American. It also isn't civilized behavior.
Oh, and thanks for the deep insight into my, and apparently everbody else's, psyche. How astute. Perhaps, since we're all alike anyway, it's easier to paint with a nice broad brush. What is it you call that when it's done to you? Anybody?
Frankly, I don't give a damn about a politician's ethnicity, just their honesty, integrity, and competence. Doesn't leave me lots of choices.
No one proposed throwing everyone out, and no one proposed stopping immigration. Reform to the system, and proper enforcement of the LIMITS, would be the proper thing to do.
However, no matter how much anyone says that immigration is a good thing, and immigrants are a valuable part of our society, there are those that will completely ignore those statements so they can continue to blow their horn, and wave the flag of their agenda.
Undocumented, unaccounted for, unvetted illegal immigrants are a problem. The solution is not some draconian clearing out, but some intelligent planning and implementation.
However, while those who can't live without a cause continue to scream for the sake of screaming, we won't get anywhere.
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bureaucratic nightmares[/i]
A very insightful intellectual once stated "Democracy is destine to fail, when the people learn that they can vote themselves the contents of the treasury." or something to that effect. I remember reading this a long time ago and it has always stuck with me. Does anyone here remember exactly who this quote came from?
The very nature of our "democratic republic" is the bureaucracy. Why? due to the nature of trying to get a majority of our political sweethunks to agree on anything, without adding a clause of thier own agenda. The influx of mexicans into the southwest states have been going on for so long, there's now mexican-americans in high levels of politics, education, business and lawyers in particular. They are going to push thier agendas which are meaningful to them. Just as we do across the entire nation, push our own agendas which are meaningful to us. Right now the issue is immigration.
Want my opinion? Hey pedro... i'm havin a BBQ in my backyard, can ya stop by 7-11 and grab a bag a chips from Ali Abba Kariem el Kabaya. Let em know to bring beer and stop by at 7 with Bubba Joe. We'll watch the pretty light and blast wave as the brother of Ali ignites the thermo nuk he stored down at the docks. We'll get drunk, wave our donuts in the air, and roast some wiener's while our wives moan about the heat. :D
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Ya got my curiosity fired Nomde, and I found out:
Alexander Tyler! (http://www.zaadz.com/quotes/topics/majorities)
Alexander Tytler, Tyler, Lord Woodhouslee (http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/tyler.asp)
and finally...nobody! (http://www.geocities.com/nerolsnilloc/library/tytler.html)
In conclusion, nobody said it.
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Rofl Nomde .... :t
For me, the idea would be to make it possible to become legal, like before Sept11. Hire more INS buraucrats so it does not take 2 years to even touch a file, or a deportation case.
Faster case treatment. Then, crack down hard on illegal immigration, because the illegal had an true opportunity to "pay his taxes".
In L.A., I met some of those criminals described by Marine. I also met the stereotype of the Mexican familly, fat slobes piled up in a busted minivan.
But I mostly met Illegals that worked underpaid jobs, making a living despite the anchors throw at their feet by the Gvt. In the roofing company I was working for, 90% were illegal. They work 12h days roofing, their wife work in sweatshops/cleaning, even the kids help at times. Those don't have an education, and would never qualify for a Visa, but they are contributing to the economy of this country.
Hey Akak, I left L.A. in August and moved to Houston. The company in Houston just went under thank to a FAA FSDO war, so I'm back CA to live with my GF/daughter in Riverside. I'm looking for work, god knows which state I'll end up in. I might have to give up aviation so I can stabilize with my chick. 6 month here, 1 year there contracts start to wear down on me.
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I think they forgot whos country this is.
Overpopulation anyone?
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guess please
Originally posted by Holden McGroin
I used to live in the East Bay, and one day a guy at work was complaining about all the mexicans moving in.
I told him that he lives across the bay from San Francisco, California... Just east of us is Vallejo, Vacaville, and Sacramento. Just to the south of us is Santa Cruz, San Jose, Alameda, ......
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Originally posted by FuBaR
I think they forgot whos country this is.
Pequot
Paugussett
Shawnee
Chippewa
Seneca
Oneida
Mohawk
Cherokee
Seminole
Apache
Ottawa
Comanche
Sioux
Crow
Blackfeet
Cheyenne
Just to name a few.....
Now who forgot? :huh
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woah...
Here's some financial food for thought to consider in the costs of illegal immigration:
Most illegal immigrants are paying taxes and Social Security with the Medicare component because they use false Social Security Account Numbers and employers withold it. There will always be businesses trying to pay under the table, but there aren't that many businesses paying illegal immigrants their wages under the table anymore since the penalties are double the 'standard' under-the-table wage penalties from the IRS.
The employer simply asks for the required documentation (determining if it real or fake is not their job) and shifts the burden to the worker.
Half of all illegal immigrants would have no tax liability due to their wage level - legal or illegal - and all of their tax component would be refunded if they filed a return, but they do not file tax returns.
The IRS income tax component withheld by employers of all illegals just goes into the huge pile of money.
The Social Security component goes into another pile of money labeled "These SSANs don't match, but we'll use the money anyways."
The Social Security Adminstration will send out letters to employers with large numbers of non-matching SSANs after a year or so of collecting the money, and the workers usually just quit when asked for further documentation by the employer. They just find another job earning low wages and continue paying taxes using the same (or even a new) SSAN.
It seems California, Texas and Illinois are the top 3 states contributing to this pile of free money and the top three businesses were restaurants, construction and farms.
I say free, because illegal immigrants never collect any benefits and are subsidizing Social Security. In the past 5 years, over $1/4 trillion of wages contributed taxes and Social Security.
All illegals are spending the money they make in the economy buying and consuming.
If all of the illegals came here legally, they would probably still hold the same general class of jobs. It wouldn't make much difference. The problem with states claiming shortfalls from illegal immigration is that the system itself is overextended or poorly conceived. Poor people will always cost more in social benefits than they contribute in taxes - legal or illegal, since both are paying taxes.
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So, the real question is, are you really against all immigration or do you just want the paperwork filled out right? If every illegal were deported and replaced with a legal immigrant, they would be asking for their tax refunds and Social Security...
You have to be careful of your answer, because the current state of the economy requires continuous influx of people buying stuff, legal, illegal, from Mars, it doesn't matter. Illegal immigration might be a better deal than legal immigration.
Anyway, some more fuel for the fire of your 'discussion.' :)
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Let me reverse this, look at it from the other side.
If I want to immigrate to Australlia, I have to have proof of a job.
Not just any job, a decent year round steady employment.
If I lose that job, I can lose my visa for AU, and be kicked back out.
WHY?
Because no country can afford an endless flood of people, especially poor people. They overrun the system, bog it down, clog it up, and generally screw up your island paradise.
We in the US are looking at having at least 1/4th of the country having a predominantly spanish speaking population in the next 20 years.
You REALLY think we can allow this illeagle immigration to continue unchecked. Every year that we do so we shift the population. We increase the # of spanish speaking people and decrease the english speaking people.
Doesn't take a crystal ball to see that at some point the spanish speaking people are going to say, ENOUGH, we want our own goverment. And they will get it, at which point they'll either kick us out, or turn us into second class citizens.
Wake up people, this is the United States of America we are talking about.
We have the tools, we have the abilty to lock down both borders.
Seal them down rock solid tight. Revamp the proccess to get a visa.
Stop the wetbacks, make it easier to be a legal immigrant.
At this point all we do is just kick them back over the border when we do catch them.
WRONG ANSWER
As to the whole "they do jobs no one else wants" arguement.
That only carry's so far. If they were not so cheap, and so available, they'd find other ways.
Here in North Dakota we used to see hordes of migrants every summer.
Come north to hoe in the sugar beet fields. These were NOT the illeagles, not the bums, and druggies on welfare.
These were solid familys who brought the whole family, everyone worked.
And yes as teenagers we worked right beside them.
You no longer see the migrants up here. A few here & there perhaps.
The farmers have found a better way, more chemicals, more techknowlegy, fewer problems.
Same holds true for "most" of those so called "jobs" that no one wants.
Shut down the flow of cheap labor and they'd find other, better ways.
Pull our troops back home, ALL of them.
Put them on the borders, seal them down tight. Then put the National Guard to work buidling a wall. You'd not only help the immigrant problem, you'd help win the war on drugs as well.
Once the borders are sealed, then its crack down on the ports.
Ohh and BTW some of us have ancesters who Were BORN in this country.
Who have been here for century's if not 1000's of years.
I
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Originally posted by Ghosth
Let me reverse this, look at it from the other side.
If I want to immigrate to Australlia, I have to have proof of a job.
Not just any job, a decent year round steady employment.
If I lose that job, I can lose my visa for AU, and be kicked back out.
WHY?
Because no country can afford an endless flood of people, especially poor people. They overrun the system, bog it down, clog it up, and generally screw up your island paradise.
We in the US are looking at having at least 1/4th of the country having a predominantly spanish speaking population in the next 20 years.
You REALLY think we can allow this illeagle immigration to continue unchecked. Every year that we do so we shift the population. We increase the # of spanish speaking people and decrease the english speaking people.
Doesn't take a crystal ball to see that at some point the spanish speaking people are going to say, ENOUGH, we want our own goverment. And they will get it, at which point they'll either kick us out, or turn us into second class citizens.
Wake up people, this is the United States of America we are talking about.
We have the tools, we have the abilty to lock down both borders.
Seal them down rock solid tight. Revamp the proccess to get a visa.
Stop the wetbacks, make it easier to be a legal immigrant.
At this point all we do is just kick them back over the border when we do catch them.
WRONG ANSWER
As to the whole "they do jobs no one else wants" arguement.
That only carry's so far. If they were not so cheap, and so available, they'd find other ways.
Here in North Dakota we used to see hordes of migrants every summer.
Come north to hoe in the sugar beet fields. These were NOT the illeagles, not the bums, and druggies on welfare.
These were solid familys who brought the whole family, everyone worked.
And yes as teenagers we worked right beside them.
You no longer see the migrants up here. A few here & there perhaps.
The farmers have found a better way, more chemicals, more techknowlegy, fewer problems.
Same holds true for "most" of those so called "jobs" that no one wants.
Shut down the flow of cheap labor and they'd find other, better ways.
Pull our troops back home, ALL of them.
Put them on the borders, seal them down tight. Then put the National Guard to work buidling a wall. You'd not only help the immigrant problem, you'd help win the war on drugs as well.
Once the borders are sealed, then its crack down on the ports.
Ohh and BTW some of us have ancesters who Were BORN in this country.
Who have been here for century's if not 1000's of years.
I
Brother you are going to miss next meeting, have you sign up for thist month cross burning?
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500,000 ILLEGAL Immigrants vs. Millions of American Citizens fed up with their garbage. In a democracy I thought the majority wins, not the illegal immigrants. Ah – Shame on me, I forget that this problem is compounded by 100+ Politicians and 1 President who I Love/Hate sitting in Washington with their thumbs in their rear end in this issue. Solution is simple – Follow the LAW! They’re Illegal broom them out – Good Bye! If they want to come to our country – do it the right way – like my grandfather did and millions of others. Funny – I don’t recall stories of my Grandfather marching in the streets whining about entitlements when he came here from Europe. Both political parties piss me off on this issue – The Democrats want to maintain an “Entitlement Dependant” Voter base and the Republicans enjoy the cheap labor.
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You guys cannot compare your grand father's immigration experience, with today's immmigration experience.
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Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy
You guys cannot compare your grand father's immigration experience, with today's immmigration experience.
And why not Frenchy? Ohhhhh because they did it the legal way.
If your Visa is expired I might suggest you look for work in your Home Country.
Mac
What do you do for work RIGHT now? Got money? Do you eat? Going from TX to CA huh? How?
Just curious.
BTW
IN
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Mac, no reason fer being a dick to Frenchy.. and my friend; you could use a bit of conceptual adjustment.
Legal Immigration into this country is a morass of bribery, corruption and insults.. like yours. Frenchy is LEGAL, and he paid his dues.. and if push came to shove I'd consider him and a whole buncha other immigrants that speak our language, embrace our culture and pay their taxes more worthy of the American Dream than some of the indigent arrogant racist retards we seem to have floting around here as of late.
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Originally posted by pasta
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Standing in the shade, out of the hot sun.
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Ok, speaking as a legal immigrant to the USA, the process is indeed a beauracratic pain in the neck that involves driving to cities you don't live near, getting photographed and finger-printed, filling out and filing form after form, and paying large fees for the privilege. But it isn't impossible.
I'll admit that on occasion, I've been frustrated by the hoops I have to jump through in order to live here, but on reflection if I pile up all the benefits that the privilege of living in the United States has afforded me against those inconveniences, it is literally like comparing a mountain to a mole-hill.
I also recognize that the freedoms that I have here, were (as the cliche puts it) not free and it wasn't my or my family's blood, sweat, and tears that purchased them and accordingly I have a responsibility to view living here as a gift rather than something I have earned or have an inherent right to. To merely cut a hole in a fence and walk in, would neither be right, legal, nor respectful. It wouldn't be very different from my breaking into my neighbor's house, and claiming a right to one of his bedrooms, and then arguing that although I wasn't invited, that I entered illegally, and that I and mine did nothing to pay for the house, that I should be allowed to stay because I am willing to do some of the chores his son moans about, like taking the trash out for a cut of his allowance.
Anyway, just a few thoughts regarding the practical implications of illegal immigration:
1) Many illegals do indeed vote. Motor-voter laws make it incredibly easy to register without proof of citizenship. On several occasions I have been solicited by the volunteers at the DMV to register to vote. The only proof necessary to do so would have been the drivers license I already had and a willingness to swear to a falsehood. I have met "resident aliens" (on Greencards like myself) who are registered and do vote illegally.
2) While many illegals pay S.S. via bogus numbers, an even greater number pay no taxes whatsoever because they are paid as day-laborers under the table. Many of them take advantage of public services such as schools and various public programs.
By far the worst effect of this trend however is on hospitals. Emergency rooms are legally obligated to treat all people regardless of their insurance status, illegals know this and have taken advantage of it. As a result, in many areas where there is a high illegal immigrant population, hospitals have been forced to shut down because of mounting debts. This endangers the entire community.
3) The largest growth sector for the American prison population is illegal immigrants. At present Illegals make up over 29 percent of prisoners in Federal Bureau of Prisons facilities. This population is actually growing faster than the rate of illegal immigration, largely fueled by the fact that drug trafficking in the USA is much more lucrative than laboring - at present over 72,000 illegals are arrested annually on drug trafficking charges.
In any event, the question really boils down to get serious or give up. Either accept that the south western states are going to become part of Latin America, and eventually look politically, economically, and culturally very like those societies, or close the borders and deport the illegals. Half-measures are never going to solve the problem. Your answer I suppose will depend on which future you would prefer. Having visited Mexico, South and Central America a number of times, I would personally prefer if our society didn't look like theirs, but I'll endure either way.
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Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy
You guys cannot compare your grand father's immigration experience, with today's immmigration experience.
Your right - we can't - my grandfather receiving nothing when he got off the boat nor did he expect anything. Today you just walk across the border and sign up for the hand outs and entitlements.
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What are those handouts and entitlements? Can you list some, please?
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Originally posted by Rolex
What are those handouts and entitlements? Can you list some, please?
I'll put it to you this way Rolex -
TRY THIS
Enter MEXICO illegally. Never mind immigration quotas, visas, international law, or any of that nonsense.
- Once there, demand that the local government provide free medical care for you and your entire family.
- Demand bilingual nurses and doctors.
- Demand free bilingual local government forms, bulletins, etc. Procreate abundantly.
- Deflect any criticism of this allegedly irresponsible reproductive behavior with, "It is a cultural U.S.A. thing. You would not understand, pal."
- Keep your American identity strong. Fly Old Glory from your rooftop, or proudly display it in your front window or on your car bumper.
- Speak only English at home and in public and insist that your children do likewise.
- Demand classes on American culture in the Mexican school system.
- Demand a local Mexican driver license. This will afford other legal rights and will go far to legitimize your unauthorized, illegal, presence in Mexico. Drive around with no liability insura nce......and ignore local traffic laws.
- Insist that local Mexican law enforcement teach English to all its officers.
Good luck! You'll be demanding for the rest of time or soon dead. Because it will never happen. It will not happen in Mexico or any other country in the world... except right here in the United States... Land of the naive!
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Costa Mesa, CA. The mayor has huevos.
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"Land of the Naive" :)
You don't think I'm pro illegal immigration, do you? I hope not. What I was going to get to was that >30% of illegal immigrants are on welfare.
I just think it's amazing that an uneducated peasant family can scramble across a river with a rucksack of clothes and outwit the entire collective intelligence of the government of the United States of America to collect money.
I think screaming about the peasant should be replaced with screaming at the elected representatives who have allowed the incompetence of the bureaucracy to blossom to Dilbertian level.
(I blame the end of the Hatch Act - in case you're too young to know, federal employees were not allowed to vote to prevent the growth of a bureaucracy supporting itself politically.)
If you throw birdseed in your yard every morning, you shouldn't scream at the birds for eating it.
Illegal immigrants weren't smart enough to choose their parents and birthplace as well as they should have. They screwed up by not being born into a perfectly functional, white, middle-class family in Kansas who fed them, clothed them and educated them. It's just as instinctive for people to strive for a better life and grab at some scraps of food.
But, the US has plenty of programs for legal immigration. Illegal immigration is just creating a larger underclass of desperate people doing desperate things to survive.
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If you want to live in America you have to speak english:furious
if you can't speak english well get out
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Imagine if the test required two written sentences with less than 7 errors?
Are your suitcases packed?
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Originally posted by Rolex
"Land of the Naive" :)
You don't think I'm pro illegal immigration, do you? I hope not. What I was going to get to was that >30% of illegal immigrants are on welfare.
if they are illegal how they can get welfer? no ID no SSN so how come they can get any support if they not egzist?
I allways assume to get welfer you need to be resident or citizen
But, the US has plenty of programs for legal immigration. Illegal immigration is just creating a larger underclass of desperate people doing desperate things to survive. [/B]
Show me ONE, non family related and not requiring PHD
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Originally posted by AWMac
And why not Frenchy? Ohhhhh because they did it the legal way.
If your Visa is expired I might suggest you look for work in your Home Country.
Mac
What do you do for work RIGHT now? Got money? Do you eat? Going from TX to CA huh? How?
Just curious.
BTW
IN
No because when your grand father came, he went off a boat directly to NYC's immigrant staging and registration center. There is no such thing anymore. Coming to USA and look for work is illegal now, and immigrants as not as welcomed as they used to. That's why I say it's different.
What do you do for work RIGHT now?
I'm on SSI, and I have a side business of reselling food stamps provided by the Salvation Army.
Got money?
$371.76
Do you eat?
Yes, and I poop too.
Going from TX to CA huh? How?
Greyhound bus, $75, paid by the Association of French Travelers.
... And I don't like the "tone" of your post.
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Originally posted by Rolex
(I blame the end of the Hatch Act - in case you're too young to know, federal employees were not allowed to vote to prevent the growth of a bureaucracy supporting itself politically.)
Interesting.
Originally posted by Rolex
But, the US has plenty of programs for legal immigration. Illegal immigration is just creating a larger underclass of desperate people doing desperate things to survive.
I believe we got another factor in this equation that we left out. Mexican President Vincente Fox who wants to keep the flow of illegals moving into our country (Actually handing out flyers explaining how to come to the U.S. and milk the system). I guess it's much easier for him to do this than fix the Mexican Economy.
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If you want to get promoted in many fields of endeavor in South Florida, you need Spanish as a second language. That is just the way it is.
Public schools have seen la escritura on the wall, and Spanish is one of the most popular second language courses. English as a second language is far less popular.
English is a lot harder for Mexican, Cuban and South American latinos to learn than it is for gringoes to learn Spanish, which will explain, but not excuse, a lot of the failures assimilate.
When an adult latino comes to the US speaking only thier native tongue, that means they do not hang out white. All their friends and neighbors are latino who also do not speak English, and they live in enclaves. The off spring of these unassimilated latinos do much better at learning the language. But the laws that make offspring of illegals automatic citizens just because they were born here - with no regard to the fact that the parents got here illegally - really has to be changed. That one thing encourages a lot of them to get here anyway they can.
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rolex.. public school being what it is.... pretty hard to get people to spell properly.... they can use a word program tho...
To allow more than one official language is madness.. Where do you stop? You would agree that every accepted language is a drain on the economy?
lazs
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Heh "God is super pissed" Looks like a bum is holding that sign too.
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pasta, the US gives 50,000 green cards away in a lottery every year and there are employment visas for less than a PhD - even specialized trade skills and experience without any degree.
You can also get a green card by starting or investing in a business - I believe the minimum investment is only $40,000, but it could have gone up.
The US immigration policies are not any more stringent than any other country. You have to balance the needs and resources required by a nation - and be flexible as circumstances change - with immigration policy.
I have permanent residence in a country that bases citizenship on jus sanguinis (from blood), and not jus soli (from soil). It may seem like an out-of-date system, but maybe it's not so bad. Who's to say that citizenship should be conferred automatically to a child born to an illegal immigrant is the right system?
Should every language be taught? Nope. I do think learning a second language is never regretted by anyone as they mature. It does no harm and is much easier when done young.
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You guys cannot compare your grand father's immigration experience, with today's immmigration experience.
Frenchy continues to a good case for immigration REFORM, but we still cannot accept rationalization for breaking the Law. Inconvenience is simply not good enough. While maybe a bit too roughly, several others make a valid point that no where else do people literally invade another country, then demand that country change immediately to suit them.
You've suggested that it's somehow different today than a couple generations ago...in that today the process is cumbersome and demeaning and time-consuming and rife with abuse. With respect, I must adamantly disagree. It might be nice to imagine the "salad days" of US immigration, but it's a myth. Investigate it...people did not enjoy the process, were hassled all the time, paid wild sums to runners and ticket agents to get them a berth on a ship, waited in internment for months, etc...It sucked then, and it sucks now.
But, my grandfathers DID put up with it. Legally.
If somebody burglarizes your home, is it OK because they found real work to be too burdensome and demeaning? Do you mind being mugged by someone whose excuse is "you owe it to me"?. Come on, folks.
It's just way beyond reasonable. Anybody look at the video of those demonstrations? I suggest you just count foreign flags vs. American flags and tell me why I should think these people want anything to do with being American? All I saw was a very well-planned excuse for a Mexican Day parade.
Those demonstrations did not convince me of the error of my ways, did not raise my sympathies, did not cause me to rethink my position. What they DID succeed in doing was cementing my opinion that these people are NOT interested in become Americans. They ARE interested in exploiting my country, because thier own is intolerable. They want to wave a foreign flag in my backyard, declare it their own, and have me and mine completely restructure my culture to accomodate theirs.
No.
Somebody told me once that retiring to the Bahamas was a really difficult thing to do. Lots of time spent convincing the government that you would not be a burden to the (very delicate) island economy, that you had the means to care for yourself, and contribute to the betterment of the community. Tons of stuff. If not, you can't go.
I don't see a problem with that.
Do I have the right to go anyway, wave an American flag in a British (colony, territory, possession? not sure) and demand that I be given a place to live, and give me a regular supplemental government income, cause I've got no money and no job. Oh, and I'm bringing my family, too.
Why will all those foreign nationals commit time, money and energy to converting my country to suit them, rather than converting their own country into something that's worth living in? If the population of a country is running to the borders to escape, what's wrong with that society? If living in Mexico (or anywhere else) is so horrible, whose fault is that? Why do I have to carry the burden of another country's inability to manage it's own issues?
We all keep circling the same facts...Immigration is a good and necessary thing. No arguement for ILLEGAL immigration will ever, EVER hold water. Just 'cause someone wants to come here, doesn't mean the answer should always be yes. No one can justify criminal behavior in this scenario. The current system is terrible, and counter-productive. The current system needs major reform. That STILL isn't a good enough reason to unilaterally dismiss the laws of a soveriegn nation, which is NOT your own, and then demand equal access to THAT WHICH IS NOT YOURS. Or, how about the inescapable fact that no system can carry an infinite burden?
No escaping that hard, but simple, reality.
And we haven't even begun to talk about the quality of these folks. Do we imagine that every batch of border-runners is a well-meaning, hard-working family seeking a better life and freedom from oppression? I'm sure that an open, uncontrolled border holds no interest for criminals, thugs, dealers, car thieves, incorrigibles, the unstable, the lunatic fringe, etc...
This uncontrolled flux across the borders is inherently dangerous. While we *****foot around, not wanting to lose a vote, not wanting to offend sensibilities, we leave the gates of the castle flapping in the breeze. When some monster uses this as cover for transporting an attack through the Mexican or Canadian border, those self-same people will howl for blood from those who "didn't do anything".
We can sympathize with those who have an honest desire to become Americans. We should welcome them, as we are all the same in that regard. We should work to make LEGAL immigration a smoother, more easily navigated, more welcoming process. We should keep limits and requirements reasonable, safe and healthy.
We CANNOT get so caught up in misplaced, unqualified sympathy that we smile and shine our halos while we're run into the ground.
(PS..FYI, I noticed that I said "you" alot. It's really not directed at Frenchy personally, but rather that I drifted over into a generic 'you'. No offense meant.)
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^^^^^Holy Crapamoly! I could climb that wall-o-text!.
Sorry, fellas....got a bit verbose again. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Rolex
pasta, the US gives 50,000 green cards away in a lottery every year and there are employment visas for less than a PhD - even specialized trade skills and experience without any degree.
lottery exclude many countries , mexico and couple of US allies, i would say its easier to win 10.000$ in Vegas then lottery, Jonny Boy.
Frenchy give you example how employment visas work, also thats non immigrant visas.
You can also get a green card by starting or investing in a business - I believe the minimum investment is only $40,000, but it could have gone up.
Minimal investment is 1.000.000$ and required to hire 6 US residents /citizens for 3 years.
Who having such a money would like to immigrate to US, except those one who committed frauds in their own country? Also its works perfect for mafia , they loan money for immigrants and later get huge profits on this. Aso immigrants become slaves for life. Look aroud your town, how many "under new menagment" signs you can see?
The US immigration policies are not any more stringent than any other country. You have to balance the needs and resources required by a nation - and be flexible as circumstances change - with immigration policy.
Dont forget US build picture US as promice land, land of oportunieties......... no wonder many like to be here for life.
. Who's to say that citizenship should be conferred automatically to a child born to an illegal immigrant is the right system?
Civil right grant every kid born in any county to get citizenship of the soil where they are born. Anywhere on the world.
Should every language be taught? Nope. I do think learning a second language is never regretted by anyone as they mature. It does no harm and is much easier when done young. [/B]
what with chineese, korean, mandarin, vietnamise? DMV, IRS have forms in many lmore
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Reality check... we ain't gonna be lining up the boxcars to deport 12-20 million people from concentration camps for arrested immigrants in the US to concentration camps in mexico any time soon.
Guest worker programs don't work.
Amnesty is not acceptable to me.
So, how do we solve this?
I'm not certain HOW to deal with the contributing members of the economy/population that are already here... I'd sure like to see the dead weight illegals put in those boxcars and sent the hell back to where they came from.. NOW.
But, before we can do that the borders MUST be secured. And we HAVE to completely re-vamp the immigration process.. ENGLISH COMPREHENSION AND SKILLS must be a requirement for residency. I'm not at all interested in seeing the southern US turrened into an extension barrio of Juarez.
1. CLOSE THE BORDERS
2. REVAMP IMMIGRATION PROCESSING AND SCREENING. NO MATCHING HIRE, NO IMMIGRATION. 'POOL' PROSPECTIVE IMMIGRANTS, MATCH "EM TO A HIRE LIST.
3. EDUCATE AND DOCUMENT PROSPECTIVE IMMIGRANTS.
4. ENFORCE HIRING GUIDELINES WITH EMPLOYERS. MANDITORY DEPORTATION OR JAIL FOR CEO's OF COMPANYS THAT VIOLATE THE LAWS OR EMPLOY UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS.
5. ALIENS DETAINED AND DEPORTED FOR 'CUTTING THE LINE' PERMANANTLY EXCLUDED FROM THE LEGAL IMMIGRATION PROCESS, THEIR IMMEDIATE FAMILES SUMMARILY DEPORTED ALSO.
I dunno about you guys, but I've never turned down work when I was out of a job. Hearing our condescending CEO pass about terminology like "they do work that americans won't do" pisses me the hell off. The entire issue is driven by corporate greed.. big business wants cheap labor, they don't want the borders closed and they sure don't want legislation with teeth that nails them for violating the existing laws. We don't fix that, we'll never fix illegal immigration.
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Originally posted by Gunthr
If you want to get promoted in many fields of endeavor in South Florida, you need Spanish as a second language. That is just the way it is.
Public schools have seen la escritura on the wall, and Spanish is one of the most popular second language courses. English as a second language is far less popular.
English is a lot harder for Mexican, Cuban and South American latinos to learn than it is for gringoes to learn Spanish, which will explain, but not excuse, a lot of the failures assimilate.
When an adult latino comes to the US speaking only thier native tongue, that means they do not hang out white. All their friends and neighbors are latino who also do not speak English, and they live in enclaves. The off spring of these unassimilated latinos do much better at learning the language. But the laws that make offspring of illegals automatic citizens just because they were born here - with no regard to the fact that the parents got here illegally - really has to be changed. That one thing encourages a lot of them to get here anyway they can.
Gunthr,
I'd like to wade in here about your post. My background is also from the mexican heritage from my mother and the anglo side on my dad's side. Actually I'm half mexican and half german. I'm going to take over the world! Manana.
My mother was raised in Southern AZ and spoke spanish at home as her parents only spoke spanish. She was educated in public shool and learned english via the immersion method. It didn't take very long as kids realize the language the other kids are using is necessary in order to play. The ones in the majority are the ones doing the immersing of the minority.
My brother was also raised primarily by our grand parents as our Mother had to work. He had the same situation as our mother did. (there's 16 years 'tween my step brother and I) He is fully bilingual and most definately does not consider himself as a mexican, he considers himself an American as do I. Since our mother remarried to an anglo (my dad) spanish was not to be spoken in the home and she refused to teach me spanish after seeing how hard my brother had to work once he got into school. Even though my mother was full blooded mexican (a mixed background in itself BTW) she was very adament that this was the United States and the family was NOT mexican, we were Americans.
It is the newer generations that seem bent on redifining themselves based on a country they did not live in, a heritage they share second hand at times (if not most of the time) and an influx of people they identify with only because they resemble them. The older folks who really had to tough living in an inhospitable area and having to progress through their own efforts do not support that frame of mind. They want to be Americans not Mexicans who happen to live in America. More than once my mother expressed her contempt for those who called themselves chicanos / chicanas saying years ago those were as derogatory a term as "greaser" to her and those of her generation.
The new immigrants are also split. Some want to become Americans and others want to remain Mexican and just live in America. That has a lot of bearing on what language they speak and if they bother to try to be more than a resident alien. It also determinmes who they decide to "hang out with".
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Actually I'm half mexican and half german. I'm going to take over the world! Manana.
LOL... good one :D
I'm German and Polish, but you are a bit closer to your old country than me to mine.
My Grandma spoke English with us and German to my great grandma. My great grandma really didn't like to speak English because she was afraid to make mistakes and felt self concsious. One time, my great grandma yelled at me for throwing a ketchup bottle in the garbage. She made me take it out and she poured hot water in the bottle, shook it up, and she put it firmly back on the table in front of me - without saying a word of English. Another time, I walked in the house and my grandma was using tongs to take live black leeches out of a jar and put them her mom's back, for sucking out bad blood. :eek: Thinking back, it was like another world going over grandmas.
I have the highest regard for people like your mother who overcome adversity and succeed in a new place, learning a new language and working hard. It does seem like those older generations were more appreciative, and had outstanding work ethics as compared to gen xers. Truley, we all seem to be from immigrants of one kind or another. Now, its a new day, for better or worse...
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Hi Hang,
Not to play Devil's advocate but...
Originally posted by Hangtime
1. CLOSE THE BORDERS
To do this would essentially require militarizing the border with Mexico, nothing but armed troops, helicopters, and UAVs actively patrolling vast stretches of deep razor wire and sensor equipment would turn off the spigot. Incidently, Mexico has indicated it has no intention of helping in this process, and has repeatedly done exactly the opposite including printing guides on how to cross and assimilate.
Even with a militarized border, we'd still have the problem of the mass runs at check points and tractor trailers with dummy walls bringing in illegals and the cost of all this would be ongoing and monumental. Obviously mining the border (as we have on the DMZ between NK and the ROK) while it would work and be cheaper, would never even begin to be acceptable, and the first time a national guard or reserve unit shot a fleeing family there would be national and international outrage and hand-wringing.
I just don't personally see that we'll ever stop the illegals from getting in, and the "no assimilation" PC policy means that the Southwest will eventually become the American version of Quebec.
I think we have to face facts and realize that in 100 years the United States will probably be a predominantly Hispanic nation. Which means we better start doing a better job of teaching the kids Spanish now.
Then again, there are several upsides to this transformation.
- SEAGOON
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Dunno.. kinda think that if there's no 'free cigar' endgame for the illegals the flow will slow way down. As it stands now, local police don't deport or enforce.. that's got to stop. DMV's in multiple states issue licenses and id's without citizenship checks.. that has to stop. Legals often illegaly bring in relatives with out fear of losing their status.. that has to stop.
Essentially, as long as there's a chance that we'll pat the successful border crasher on the head and issue paperwork, benefits and amnesty there's no incentive to not run the gauntlet. If the border crashers when caught lost all chance at legal status here in the future AND put any relatives that were here legally status as extreme risk, and if employers required documentation before being paid with THIER tulips looking at a jail cell or deportation for hiring 'em then theres no real point to crashing the border, is there?
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whups.. missed a key point... Border Control is not just an immigration issue.. it's a national security issue. Can't have any form of meaningful immigration control without a secure border, either.
Yup.. it'll be costly. But it's got to be done. Used to be we were in a better geographical neighborhood... as a kid, my folks rarely locked the doors at night. Nowadays, in that neighborhood, not locking the door would be kinda foolish. Sign of the times.
We gotta lock the doors.
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Our political leaders want Mexicans to come to this country because the are cheap labor which in turn makes the rich richer and the poor poorer
Its all about the money!! ever notice whats going on with the middle class....it dwindling down to nothing.....there will be two classes soon..the rich and the poor!!!
I cant believe that not one American was around protesting these wetbacks when the were in our streets..protesting our policys....screw them!!! If they come to my town to protest I will be there throwing bags of dog dirt on them!! How dare they take advantage of our system then protest...Iwork my *** off to pay for Insurance and gety my *** taxed to death for those wetbacks to take it!!
I know of 4 people that have been auto accedents with mexicans....mexicans with no Insurance....guess who pays????? we do
Go back to Mexico you wetback pieces o sheet!!!!!
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... And I don't like the "tone" of your post.
I think it's par for the course right along side of your whining.
BTW My Asian born wife came to America in 1980 the "Legal" way. Applied for and received a Green Card, a registered legal alien. Took English as a Second Language. Studied hard to take the Citizenship test to become an American. Sure it took time and paperwork but if it's worth it then it's worth working for the right way. No whining, no hand outs no Boo Hoo's...
Mac
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What do you do for work RIGHT now?
I'm on SSI, and I have a side business of reselling food stamps provided by the Salvation Army.
Got money?
$371.76
Do you eat?
Yes, and I poop too.
Going from TX to CA huh? How?
Greyhound bus, $75, paid by the Association of French Travelers.
I have a side business of reselling food stamps provided by the Salvation Army. Are you sure this is legal? Another hand out
Got money?
$371.76 From reselling the food stamps? Profits from a hand out
Do you eat?
Yes, and I poop too. Probably the only legal thing you're capable of doing.
Going from TX to CA huh? How?
Greyhound bus, $75, paid by the Association of French Travelers.
Another hand out
Multiply this by a few Million Illegal Immigrants and there's the big picture.
My tax dollars at work.
Mac
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Originally posted by Kaw1000
Our political leaders want Mexicans to come to this country because the are cheap labor which in turn makes the rich richer and the poor poorer
Its all about the money!! ever notice whats going on with the middle class....it dwindling down to nothing.....there will be two classes soon..the rich and the poor!!!
I cant believe that not one American was around protesting these wetbacks when the were in our streets..protesting our policys....screw them!!! If they come to my town to protest I will be there throwing bags of dog dirt on them!! How dare they take advantage of our system then protest...Iwork my *** off to pay for Insurance and gety my *** taxed to death for those wetbacks to take it!!
I know of 4 people that have been auto accedents with mexicans....mexicans with no Insurance....guess who pays????? we do
Go back to Mexico you wetback pieces o sheet!!!!!
:rofl Tell us how you really feel dont hold nuthin back:confused:
They do have alot of balls protesting i will give you that.
Look this country was built by people who immigrated here for a better life
aint not one of you swingin peters a true American we are all new comers here
Cept for the True Americans as in Indians.
Now they say America is a melting pot. Well i agree but and heres the problem the pot is getting to full.
We cant take care of the people who are here legally so how in the flip are are gonna take care of every Juan Valdez that hopes over the boarder>
I also see this as a national security issue as if the melon pickers can come over the boarder what do you think will stop the next Jihad johnny that decides to make a statement with a bomb or plane?
IMHO putting the military on the boarders is the only way heck its worked in Korea.
The burden on the American tax payer is what is the most concern to me
and should be to anyone who pays taxes.
Mexico has a wacked out economy they have the Rich and then theres the rest of them and there lies the problem.
The people of mexico are going to have to ween themselves off uncle sams hind teat and take back there country.
But I fear this will never happen because its much easeir to just go El Norte.
And in the back of my mind I dont think Mexico has ever come to terms with us kicking there butts outta California , Texas and the other states the used to own.
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Well heres a Kalifonia senators solution:rofl
March 24, 2006
Deborah J. Spero
Acting Commissioner
U.S. Customs and Border Protection
Department of Homeland Security
1300 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20229
Dear Commissioner Spero,
I write to bring to your attention a significant issue which I believe could endanger our border patrol agents, and hinder our ability to control our borders: the threat posed by the easy availability of the .50-Caliber Sniper Rifle.
At a recent hearing before the Committee on the Judiciary on the subject of border violence, Mr. Aguilar of the Border Patrol testified about the dangers posed by snipers, inside Mexico, shooting across the border at our officers. I asked him about whether analysis of this threat included the newest, and most dangerous, weapon in the sniper’s arsenal – the .50-caliber sniper gun. His answer left me with the impression that the threat had not been fully considered.
As you may know, the .50-caliber rifle is accurate at extreme long range: a skilled gunman can kill a man at more than a mile. That accuracy is coupled with extreme lethality, because the projectile is moving so fast, and is so heavy, that it can penetrate steel armor. In fact other elements of the Department of Homeland Security, notable the U.S. Coast Guard, now use the rifle because it can shoot through the engine block of fleeing smuggler “fast-boats.”
I have long been concerned about this issue, and have introduced legislation which would, at least in part, address the problem by treating these weapons under the same regulations that govern machine guns, rather than .22-caliber rifles as is presently the law.
I would greatly appreciate if you could advise me, as soon as possible, of the following. Has Customs and Border Protection assessed the threat faced from this weapon, and is so, what is the result of that assessment? What steps have been taken to protect Border Patrol agents from the treat? What steps are planned? Given the range and lethality of these weapons, how would the Border Patrol carry out its mission should these weapons be used by criminals, smugglers and human traffickers shooting across the border?
I look forward to your reply, and working together on this critical issue. I have enclosed some background material for your review.
Yours truly,
Dianne Feinstein
United States Senator
So who is banning a 50 cal rifle here in the USA gonna stop the dudes in mexico from getting one?
This woman is ans oxygen theif:rofl
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Originally posted by AWMac
I have a side business of reselling food stamps provided by the Salvation Army. Are you sure this is legal? Another hand out
Got money?
$371.76 From reselling the food stamps? Profits from a hand out
Do you eat?
Yes, and I poop too. Probably the only legal thing you're capable of doing.
Going from TX to CA huh? How?
Greyhound bus, $75, paid by the Association of French Travelers.
Another hand out
Multiply this by a few Million Illegal Immigrants and there's the big picture.
My tax dollars at work.
Mac
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What do you do for work RIGHT now?
I'm the Chief pilot of an AEMT company. I fly every weekday to deliver nuclear medicine to cancer patients. I take off even if the meteorological conditions are unsafe for my type of flying because some dying American needs treatment. I have yet to miss a delivery.
Got money?
I make $52K/year. Plus I help manage a roofing company in Los Angeles. Plus I occasionaly fly at $30/h for the demonstration team Skytypers.com. I own 2 cars, 1 truck, and all the furnitures of our place.
Do you eat?
Yes, I'm 6'01 180lbs, class one med certif.
Going from TX to CA huh? How?
I flew a company plane from Houston back to Van Nuirs. I still have to go back to drive my 1973 T/A back, and supervise the moving company. I'm returning to CA because my soon to be wife and the little 11 year old piece of woman suffer from the separation and want me "home". When you are a pilot, it's tough to stay with your familly without displacing them every year, which is not good for the little one.
Your behavior is a sad reprensentation of MY tax dollar at work.
Now, get off my face and go pee on an another tree.
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Hmmm,..yep the toast is burnt.