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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Ripsnort on April 30, 2001, 08:43:00 AM
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So, how many of you think the software these kids played is partially responsible for their acts?
I find this simply laughable.
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Ah, remember, this is America. It's always someone elses fault!!!
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Pathetic IMO. Every action constitutes a lawyer being involved. To be honest they are hte problems throwing into teh minds of these people. And ytou know what they probably will win which really pisses me off.
I played probably the most violent games as a kid and thats what they were a game. The difference between right an wrong is not being instilled on these new age children I think. My god wrestling being real? It is just assinine what people will do these days. While their at it sue Mattel for making Barbie dolls not anatomicall correct. Didn't teach us safe sex and now I have 13 kids because my barbie doll was humping Ken who didn't have the right stuff (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Crazy I tell ya.
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[This message has been edited by AG Sachsenberg (edited 04-30-2001).]
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Why dont they sue the school?
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Yep, that's right. The games these two kids played caused them to go apes**t in a high school. No matter they were picked on or some other reason. It's the games I tells ya!
This has got to be one of the most idiotic things I've heard in a lawsuit. (besides the McDonald's coffee and pickle thing) People are just trying there little hearts out to win some money of consolation out of this, so they turn to the most blamed and likely source. The video game. Come on people, look at it this way:
After you play Quake, Half-Life, or Duke Nukem; do you have the urge to go out and start shooting things up? Do you say "Wow, this game is so cool, I think I'll try this same stuff at the office for real cause it's so cool!"
When you play GTA or Driver, do you suddenly have the urge to go out and hijack cars and blow stuff up? "Well, if he can do it in a game, I can do it too!"
When you play AH, WB, or AW; do you suddenly want to get in a plane and fly HO into a Cessna or other private plane?
Games are not to blame. Games are designed to be fun, and allow the user/player to escape reality for a while, which some of us need. I play Half-Life, Unreal, or Duke, and I don't have the urge to kill fellow students.
Blaming games for real world problems is just plain stupid. There might be some cases where it might be, but not all the time.
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[This message has been edited by texace (edited 04-30-2001).]
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ:
Why dont they sue the school?
On what grounds?
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That's correct Rip, what grounds? The school isn't at fault, they didn't know what these kids were planing. Someone might say "Well, these kids were bullied and picked on. The school should have stopped that before it got out of hand."
It's impossible to police everything, and the school isn't at fault.
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[This message has been edited by texace (edited 04-30-2001).]
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There is nothing to blame.
There are many factors. The way they were raised, the way they were treated by other kids; this is a big factor, and believe me, almost, if not as important, as the way they were treated by their parents.
These were rejected kids at their school. They were probably "ugly" and different, and for a teenager thats very, very hard to deal with. From what I learned in school, these kind of kids will find comfort in each other and grow hate towards society. They blame society for their misfortune, and when they go out and do something terrible, society blames the next thing; comics, tv, and now video games.
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Why don't they sue the parents of the shooters?!
They should be in jail.
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Originally posted by Loyalist:
Why don't they sue the parents of the shooters?!
They should be in jail.
That makes no sense right there, how about sueing no one and the kids that did it are responsible for their own actions? Novel idea huh.
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[This message has been edited by AG Sachsenberg (edited 04-30-2001).]
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This is a new one. Let's sue some companies because my kid played their game. While we're at it, let's sue Gateway because they built the computer. And Microsoft because they designed the Operating System. And Logitech because they made the mouse. And some company in Taiwan because they built the motherboard. And that other company in Utah because they made the printer cable.
Pissed off people looking to make money off their kid's lack of intelligence. Getting bullied? Then find a bigger guy and settle it, or head to the Principle's office and have them kicked out. This has to be the worst idea in the long sad history of dumb ideas.
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Originally posted by Loyalist:
Why don't they sue the parents of the shooters?!
They should be in jail.
Ummmm...they did sue the parents, didnt they? And isnt there a suit against the purchasers of the guns that were used also?
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I demand that if I sit my child down in front of a computer or a television for 8 hours a day, those mediums should educate him properly. If not, I'll sue.
Truth be told, these parents are now either trying to sue someone that has money (obviously the people that purchased the guns won't) and trying to make a statement to the public. The only problem is, I believe they are leaning more towards the first reason than the latter.
AKDejaVu
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It's the parents job to ensure that whatever game or TV program these kids watch, the parents themselves can say "This is fine, you can play(watch) it." Otherwise the only person you can "sue" for that is the parents.
As a parent you are responsible for your kids and how they are educated, if you rely on a 3rd party to do it then you aren't parenting... you aren't doing didly toejam and it's YOUR fault.
It's rediculous, it all revolves around the piss poor parenting these people did... not on software or what the kids read. If you see your 13 year old kid reading a militia magazine, aren't you going to be sure to educate him on the ramifications of joining or participating in a militia and operating a gun and killing someone?
-SW
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Yes they did sue the parents. It never went to court because the insurance companies settled. If I am not mistaken, the parents "home owners" insurance paid. Think that is a first as well.
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I do think gratuitously violent games like Ureal, Quake and other teach children a very important lesson. There are very few problems in life that can’t be solved with the application of ridiculous amounts of firepower. After all, guns and violence are what made this country great. Just as the Indians.
Seriously though, I do think these overly graphic portrayals of death, murder, and violence can have serious, long term, detrimental effects. But Computer games are far from the only culprit. One of the worse offenders I ever saw I ran across in the public library the other day. Here was this book laying around in a public library where any child might pick it up by accident. After a few minutes of thumbing through it I was horrified. It was literally rife with stories of brothers murdering their own brother, so-in-so smiting so-in-so, wars, bondage. There was this powerful spirit entity that went around burning towns to the ground that displeased him. At one point this being wipes out nearly the entire human population of the world. Not a peaceful death either. Drowning. (shudder) Can you imagine, treading water for days vainly trying to find some high ground or tree branches finally, exhausted, sinking below the surface, convulsing at the shock of that first lungful of cold water. Imagine the masses of floating, bloated, rotting human corpses. (shudder) All because this spirit was angry and had the power to destroy. Is this the kind of problem solving skill we want to teach our youngsters? Was there no other way to resolve these disputes? Could some kind of mediation be brought in? Counseling? I could go on but this book was full cover-to-cover of more of the same. Finally at the end of the book the protagonist is brutally and sadistically tortured and nailed to planks of wood and left to die an agonizing death. This kind of violent imagery can have no possible beneficial effect on the minds of our young people. In our rush to ban computer games lets not leave these other sources of violent brutal imagery uncontrolled.
(not a parent, but a concerned citizen),
Wab
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Tort reform.......NOW!
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Whoa hold on a minute here, blaming the parents is one thing but sueing them is another. Granted maybe we should look at other reasons as to why this happened. Parents working 2 jobs, mother figure not in the house, I strongly disagree with the fact that games or movies played a factor in this. I do believe a strong resentment towards fellow students for their bully tactics employed in school.
Sometimes it is hard for a youth to talk to their parents about what is going on. Might be the parents thought nothing was wrong with their kids. We will never know, nor should we really dwell on it either. Is it directly related to something in our life? Maybe and this is a long shot maybe but what about the media's roll in this? keep showing us images of death and mayhem in the neighborhoods is just as bad as seeing it on computer screen.
If your gonna blame someone blame the media as well.
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[This message has been edited by AG Sachsenberg (edited 04-30-2001).]
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You are right Apache....I read that story last week. It was homeowners insurance that paid the settlement.
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Sue the software developers for providing violent games, sue the parents for lack of proper upbringing, sue the school system for not protecting kids, sue the community for not providing activities, sue the gun manufacturer for making the gun, sue the coat manufacturer for making coats big enough to hide guns in, sue the police for not protecting the community, sue the friends for knowing something was wrong, sue the entertainment industry for portraying gratuitous violence, yadda yadda yadda blah blah blah.
We all know that money can aid your grief. If it's not about money, then sue for $0 to make a point.
Fury
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LOL, fury! My point exactly!
Where does the madness stop? Blame the Lawyers you say? WRONG! Its the JUDGES in these cases that ALLOW it to happen. That's why its very important to know the judge you mark on your voters ballot next year, because years down the road, that same judge allowing things like this to be heard are the same judges elected for life as they progress to higher courts of law!
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What? Personal responsibility? Surely you jest! This is America! McDonald's was sued because, imagine this, coffee is served HOT.
Its stupid. I'm sure the flying club will sue HTC for the flying I'm doing in their Cessna's now....you know, all those hours of flying aerobatic airplanes and forgetting I'm in an Cessna WarHawk and not a C-Hog!
If the parents wanna blame someone, buy them all mirrors and have em look into them.
Nice try, you can't sue the reaper.
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