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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Morpheus on March 28, 2006, 05:52:17 AM
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Winchester plant slated to close on friday unless a buyer is found. Its hard to imagine the plant going from 19,000 to under 200 employees. Now it looks like it might actually shut down. Its already sickening that they have plants in japan. Now to close down the old New Haven plant, would be the final kick in the balls.
Mexico, Japan, India just to name a few... Send it all out then ship it back in. Makes me sick to my stomach. Sick.
Here's a write up on the ordeal.
US Rep Arms shut down. (http://www.bradenton.com/mld/bradenton/news/nation/14204368.htm)
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lol beet.. im sure you wont sleep at night after this :D
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Its nice when people can make light of job losses and people being put out of work. Especially those people who have families to support. I guess being a smart bellybutton is more important.
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Hey Beet! I'm making a rude gesture! Care to guess what it is?
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Regards, Shuckins
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winchester is no longer making the 50 year old model 70 or the 100 year old model 94 or the outdated pump shotgun 1300..
don't worry tho beet... you should still be able to find a winchester at your local sporting goods store. Oh.... wait.... nevermind... your government does't think you are good enough to have a gun...
lazs
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Maybe, just maybe a last minute deal will be reached. It`s happened before.
I`d hate to see a big chunk of history and tradition just go down the drain.
My Dad traded for a Winchester saddle gun when I was a kid and it became mine. Was something about the feel of that .....thuty/thuty. :) I ended up trading it off after I had I had been married for a few years because I got into benchrest and varmint hunting and just didn`t shoot it anymore. Stupid move on my part.I`ve regreted that ever since.
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beet... a little research will show that winchesters have saved a lot of lives... Guns in general do.
lazs
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They just moved production off shore, better for the stockholders, to hell with the employees they were paid too much, they can all get jobs at walmart and be paid what they are worth.
shamus
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Beet, on two separate occasions, the sound of a shell being jacked into the chamber of a pump shotgun has kept someone from breaking in on my wife when I wasn't home.
While I'm aware that this may be a subjective judgement on my part, as far as I'm concerned a shotgun saved the life of my wife on those occasions. (Although it was a Remington...not a Winchester.)
Besides, how many lives were snuffed out by Winchester Model 70 Featherweights...or single shot .22s...
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The thread went exactly the way I expected.
Woot!
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Originally posted by Sandman
The thread went exactly the way I expected.
Woot!
Yup, with a guy like beelte in the mix, I have to agree.
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As usual, beetle sips his tea and sings the only song he's ever been capable of singing. Nothing constructive, nothing interesting...just more bashing.
Not much depth there, eh, big guy? Why don't you worry so much about what's wrong in your own backyard?
*yawn*
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beet... of course guns were designed to save lives... the lives of the people weilding them.
This becomes very important when a person is in grave danger of being overpowered by superior strength, armement or numbers.
As for you eating sourkraut... well... fortunately for you....the brits of that generation did not feel as you do and were only too happy to accept winchesters craft... I am sure that the Germans would have taken them instead tho if you had refused.
or perhaps you are saying that we should put the genie back in the bottle? That only the strong with a club should rule?
lazs
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Nicely put lazs.
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Beet,
Even if the Germans had been "unarmed" they'd still have crossed the Channel and beat the enormously well-bred British over the heads with their knockwursts.
I wonder what names the Nazis would have given to all the English cities?
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Originally posted by beet1e
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Oh how profound. :)
Your and my security and freedom were and are secured by weapons.
Only difference is while I appreciate and understand the fact you do not.
A good Winchester, along with other firearms, have been a very welcome addition to a lot of our lives. Personal/home protection and security along with many, many hours of very enjoyable entertainment.
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Glad I have my 30/30 Model 94 that my dad bought for $65. I wish I had the resources to purchase a company such as that and could resurrect it to the state that they once were.
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so you guys should start melting down all those swords and burning those antique bows, turning all that armor into something useful like a new car. Oh yeah, can't forget cannons and muskets. They weren't far behind. Melt them down too. Right out of your museums and castels. Better get on that beetle. Im sure that part of your heritage means just as much to you as ours does to you. After all, those swords and what not, have killed.
Are you done yet Beetle?
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I'm not sure what's more pathetic... Beet, or the responders who keep giving him exactly what he wants.
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Originally posted by Morpheus
so you guys should start melting down all those swords and burning those antique bows, turning all that armor into something useful like a new car. Oh yeah, can't forget cannons and muskets. They weren't far behind. Melt them down too. Right out of your museums and castels. Better get on that beetle. Im sure that part of your heritage means just as much to you as ours does to you. After all, those swords and what not, have killed.
Are you done yet Beetle?
they have already done that, the cannon on the HMS Victory were melted down in WW2 and replaced with fake wood and fiberglass cannon.
if germany had invaded england in WW2 the brits would have been forced to drink COLD BEER.
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Subject: Outsourcing
Congress today announced that the office of President of the
United States of America will be outsourced to India as of March
30th, 2006.
The move is being made to save the President's $400,000
yearly salary, and also a record $521 billion in deficit
expenditures and related overhead the office has incurred during
the last 5 years.
"We believe this is a wise move financially. The cost
savings should be significant," stated Congressman Thomas Reynolds
(R-WA). Reynolds, with the aid of the Government Accounting Office,
hás studied outsourcing of American jobs extensively. "We cannot
expect to remain competitive on the world stage with the current
level of cash outlay,"Reynolds noted.
Mr. Bush was informed by email this morning of his
termination.
Preparations for the job move have been underway for
sometime.
Gurvinder Singh of Indus Teleservices, Mumbai, India will
be assuming the Office of President as of March 30th.
Mr. Singh was born in the United States while his Indian
parents were vacationing at Niagara Falls, thus making him eligible
for the position.
He will receive a salary of $320 (USD) a month but with no
health coverage or other benefits.
It is believed that Mr. Singh will be able to handle his
Job responsibilities without a support staff. Due to the time
difference between the US and India, he will be working primarily
at night, when few offices of the US Government will be open.
"Working nights will allow me to keep my day job at the
American Express call center" stated Mr. Singh in an exclusive
interview. "I am excited about this position. I always hoped I
would be President someday."
A Congressional Spokesperson noted that while Mr. Singh may
not be fully aware of all the issues involved in the office of
President, this should not be a problem because Mr. Bush was not
familiar with the issues either. Mr. Singh will rely upon a script
tree that will enable him to respond effectively to most topics of
concern. Using these canned responses, he can address common
concerns without having to understand the underlying issues at all.
"We know these scripting tools work," stated the
spokesperson. "President Bush has used them successfully for years." Mr.
Singh may have problems with the Texas drawl, but lately Bush has
abandoned the "down home" persona in his effort to appear
intelligent and on top of the Katrina situation.
Bush will receive health coverage, expenses, and salary
until his final day of employment. Following a two-week waiting
period, he will be eligible for $240 a week unemployment for 13
weeks. Unfortunately he will not be eligible for Medicaid, as his
unemployment benefits will exceed the allowed limit.
Mr. Bush has been provided the outplacement services of
Manpower, Inc. to help him write a resume and prepare for his
upcoming job transition.
According to Manpower, Mr. Bush may have difficulties in
securing a new position due to limited practical work experience. A
Greeter position at Wal-Mart was suggested due to Bush's extensive
experience shaking hands and phony smile.
Another possibility is Bush's re-enlistment in the Texas
Air National Guard. His prior records are conspicuously vague, but
should he choose this option, he would likely be stationed in Waco,
TX for a month before being sent to Iraq, a country he has visited.
"I've been there, I know all about Iraq," stated Mr. Bush,
who gained invaluable knowledge of the country in a visit to the
Baghdad Airport's terminal and gift shop.
Sources in Baghdad and Falluja say Mr. Bush would receive a
warm reception from local Iraqis. They have asked to be provided
with details of his arrival so that they might arrange an appropriate welcome.
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Ah...the Norman Conquest...one of my favorite historical topics.
Harold's cause was righteous by the way. Pity that he lost so many housecarles at the Battles of Fulford and Stamford Bridge and had to rely so heavily on the fyrd at Hastings.
If it happened once, it can happen again. Britain was saved from invasion in 1940 not by the RAF, but by Hitler. Had he not switched the focus of the attacks to London, and continued the pressure against the RAF airfields in southern England, how long do you think you would have survived, with an army bereft of weapons because of Dunkirk, and a largely unarmed civilian population.
How would you have fought on the beaches, and in the landing grounds...in the fields and in the streets?
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Originally posted by Shuckins
How would you have fought on the beaches, and in the landing grounds...in the fields and in the streets?
with weapons made in the evil USA of course.
historical note: Churchill was said to be over joyed at the news of pearl harbor, "now the americans will have to join the war" he said.
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Ah yes, the RAF...and all those hurricanes, armed with .303 rifle caliber guns....
And the venerable Brit Army, armed with .303 Enfields... fastest bolt rifle of the war. A fine weapon. I have 2. ;)
Explaining to somebody like beet the immense pleasure of owning, collecting and shooting examples of the astonishing engineering feats that are the firearms of the late 19th and thru the 20th century, each with it's own interesting story to tell, many having miraculously survived combat, all representing the pinnacle of technical achivement and manufacturing expertise of their parent nations would be like trying to explain the pleasure of accumulating a complete first-edition set of your favorite authors works.... to an illiterate savage, incapable of viewing their pages as anything other than hugahunk or kindling.
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Originally posted by beet1e
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That is what keeps it free. It`s called freedom. It also gives the citizen a way by which to protect themselves.
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Arms are the only true badges of liberty. The possession of arms is the distinction of a free man from a subject or slave. ...Andrew Fletcher (englisman), A Discourse of Government with Relation to Militias (1698) pg. 47[/i]
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Originally posted by beet1e
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If you really want to end senseless and needless deaths; ban the wheel.
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To get back to the topic of the thread, this is something I've been watching closely. Last week reps from S&W toured the plant, no word on whether or not they are interested. Even if they are though, a deal would have to be worked out with the Winchester name, as the company currently licensed to use it has it until 2007. All the various studies I've read on why it's come to this seem to point to poor management decisions. Meaning that there is hope for another company to come in and take over the name and the production and make some money at it.
Also, to clarify, US Repeating Arms does NOT own any factories in Japan. They allowed a Japanese company to purchase a license to build copies (very good ones I might add) of the Winchester rifles. Not too many have shown up here in the US, but the prices on the ones I have seen are reasonable. These guns do NOT have the Winchester name on them. They are copies only. Also, none of the guns produced in the Newhaven, CT plant will be produced by USRA's parent company in Europe. The model 94 lever rifle, the Model 70 bolt action rifle, and the model 1300 pump shotgun are all dead lines once the plant closes. They will continue the X series shotguns in Europe. Thats it under the Winchester name.
In 2007 when USRA has no more right to the name of Winchester, it will revert back to the owner of the name, Olin Manufacturing in Missouri. They will be free to license it to anyone they wish at that time, or to allow the name (and product) to die forever. Hopefully by that time, someone will want to use the name and Olin will want to keep it alive.
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Originally posted by SOB
I'm not sure what's more pathetic... Beet, or the responders who keep giving him exactly what he wants.
(http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/images/smilies/whacky10.gif)
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Aren't they making some O/U shotguns in Japan using the Winchester name?
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It is ashame that this fact needs to be repeated so often around here, typically to the same two or three die hard numbskulls, but I wll do my part and try to get through the hard boney shell into the supple gray matter hidden deep within: Guns DO NOT kill people. People kill people.
The weapon doesnt matter to me. If a human being kills another human being for no good reason, be it with a gun, a knife....a baseball bat...hell, with a Fork! it doesnt matter to me, If a human being kills another human being for no good reason then simply string the offender up on a rope. Hang them from the neck until dead. There is far too much at stake to let the lunatics run the asylum.
PS Winchester will survive.
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Originally posted by Toad
Aren't they making some O/U shotguns in Japan using the Winchester name?
In Europe they are, yes. USRA's parent company is in Belgium. They are making the X series shotguns there.
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To beet1e:
From: "The Gods of the Copybook Headings" by Kipling
When the Cambrian measures were forming, They promised perpetual peace.
They swore, if we gave them our weapons, that the wars of the tribes would cease.
But when we disarmed They sold us and delivered us bound to our foe,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: "Stick to the Devil you know."
The entire poem: http://www.kipling.org.uk/poems_copybook.htm
An interesting poem from a man whose son was killed in WWI. He definitely did not buy into the whole pacifist ideology.
On the other subject. It's business. Plain and simple. Our government taxes and regulates our businesses out of the country and union contracts are just as much to blame. I ask you this, would you pay 4 times the current price of your goods just to have them made in the USA?
Anything else is protectionism and subsidization. History has taught those of us with the eyes to see it, that that is a recipe for disaster.
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That was hitting below the belt on Beet, true...but still hitting below the belt.....my bad.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
Ah yes, the RAF...and all those hurricanes, armed with .303 rifle caliber guns....
And the venerable Brit Army, armed with .303 Enfields... fastest bolt rifle of the war. A fine weapon. I have 2. ;)
Explaining to somebody like beet the immense pleasure of owning, collecting and shooting examples of the astonishing engineering feats that are the firearms of the late 19th and thru the 20th century, each with it's own interesting story to tell, many having miraculously survived combat, all representing the pinnacle of technical achivement and manufacturing expertise of their parent nations would be like trying to explain the pleasure of accumulating a complete first-edition set of your favorite authors works.... to an illiterate savage, incapable of viewing their pages as anything other than hugahunk or kindling.
heh that is so true Hang
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Originally posted by Sandman
The thread went exactly the way I expected.
Woot!
:rofl