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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Mighty1 on May 01, 2001, 09:17:00 AM
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I just heard this this morning and could not beleive it actually passed.
www.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/04/22/sex.change.benefits.ap/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/04/22/sex.change.benefits.ap/index.html)
Please tell me it didn't really happen.
Those 37,000 people not only have to put up with those 14 freaks but they now have to pay to support them.
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I can believe it...today anyway.
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yep, I believe it ... coming soon to a city near you.
Amazing what we are accepting as "normal" in today's society as most are scared to be labeled a bigot if they stand up against it. Heck, look at JJ's tax evasion, prime example of ppl just plained scared to do the right thing as the crazy left with the help of the media would crucify you and your family.
one step closer to Sodom and Gomorrah
Eagler
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Anyone ever seen Deuce Bigelow? Kind of reminds me of the line's that were used:
FREAK!
Thats a big squeak.
How are sex changes and vasectomy operations the same ball park? 14 out of 37,000 my god talk about a fraction, and a ton of squeaking. I want my car fixed for free because my warranty ran out and I feel it should be payed by someone else because I am to lazy to save money.
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Can't help but think that the title of this thread merrits one great big "DUH!" (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
AKDejaVu
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Yep I couldn't believe it when I read that one. Another great "achievement" of the SFSSR.
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if it's any consolation people are outraged here as well. san francisco is sectioned off into districts like other towns. most of the districts aren't even gay.
as on the ah bbs though, the minority of irritants always screams the loudest. its the same in politics. the politicians know that if they dont cater to the homos they will be branded as a bigot next election. and they will go on a massive smear campaign to keep them from getting into office. there were heros in this vote though - like leland yee who will be gone next election due to his no vote - and a few others as well. they were extremely brave, their kind is rare.
it is like a nationwide trend where the media has deemed some people 'beyond criticism' due to ethnicity or religion or in this case sex preference/mental illness however you want to look at trangender freaks.
it will get to the point where you can only criticize white, protestant males over the age of 21 - or face a massive backlash and all kinds of branding. sad times indeed.
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It's really an issue more about Socialism and Socialized medicine rather than sexual-orientation.
However, it's a common tactic by the Leftists/Liberal Democrats to use race-baiting/women's/gay/human "rights" to force their Socialist agenda down the throats of the population. Try to stand-up against these foaming-at-the-mouth Socialists and you will be instantly branded a "homo-phobe", a "racist", a "sexist", a "Fascist". or whatever other label these freaks can throw at you. And we know most of our gutless politicians are too afraid to stand-up against this relentless assualt.
The Clinton Administration used this tactic to great effect. Gore failed by a gnat's hair of winning the last election which, if Gore had won, i seriously doubt the USA could have withstood 4 more years of this demogoguery.
Cabby
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Okay.. granted... you have an issue with the people that choose a gay lifestyle. What about the abnormal ones that somehow didn't get all their wires connected correctly during the switch from female to male in the womb?
Personally, I try to tolerate gays. I have to believe that some of them did not make the choice to be so. As a male, I can only assume that given the choice between a woman and some guy's hairy bellybutton and you choose the hairy ass, there's something abnormal about you. Not necessarily unnatural, but certainly abnormal.
I think it would be rather difficult for someone that chooses this lifestyle to get past all the medical/psychological wickets necessary to have this procedure. Hell, talk to a woman. In some states, it's virtually impossible for a childless woman to be voluntarily sterilized. I have to believe that a sex change is even more difficult.
The article even states, "It will not cover cosmetic procedures and can only be used after a doctor deems treatment medically necessary."
This policy isn't about catering to homos. It's about addressing the medical concerns of people born with characteristics of both sexes.
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sand
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well stated mrfish
San Francisco is a beautiful place, shame it has the title it has as it brands everyone from the area to those who don't know the entire place is not a freak show. Love the climate.
If I were gay or a hobo, I'd move there (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Eagler
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God help those who are "different" from the "ignorant bigots" of the world.
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God help those who are "different" from the "ignorant bigots" of the world.
I've worked with people going through sex-change operations before. I can't say I've ever considered financing the operation for them. Its nice not to have any say in it.
I also know that due to an illness while a teanager, my wife is not able to conceive simply due to tube scarring. Artificial incimination is not covered by insurance and is only 40% successful... at $15k a try.
I'm sorry, but I am rather unsympathetic to those that are not allowed to rely on society to finance changes required to meet their social needs.
AKDejaVu
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Originally posted by buhdman:
God help those who are "different" from the "ignorant bigots" of the world.
spoken like a true "buhdwoman" (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I think they need more than God's help
Eagler
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Thanks to Bill Clinton the Chi-coms have the ability to reach LA and SF with their rockets.
Perhaps Bill Clinton does have a legacy after all!!
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I may be a bigot but I damn sure am not ignorant.
Sorry if the thought of having some guys shove his dick up my bellybutton makes me sick. Sorry if that makes me a bigot. Sorry if I don't think a mental illness like homosexuality should be tolerated. Sorry if I'm tired of people trying to tell me what I should accept. Sorry I don't think the public should have to pay for something as sick as having your dick cut off or a new one put on.
You want to be a peter puffer? Fine go for it but don't tell me I have to accept it or finance it.
If being a straight white married man who thinks this whole thing is total roadkill makes me a bigot then I'm happy to be one.
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Originally posted by 1776:
Thanks to Bill Clinton the Chi-coms have the ability to reach LA and SF with their rockets.
Perhaps Bill Clinton does have a legacy after all!!
i should re-post that down at the veterans center down the street - i am sure the old timers would appreciate the sentiment that some reactionary in kansas is happy the "chi-coms" can shoot missiles at them and their grandkids.
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"Sparks underwent surgery to become a woman last year in Thailand because she couldn't afford it in the United States."
I won't touch the political aspects of this.
I just gotta say that if your DNA says you're male, you're male, no matter if you snip your dick away and take hormones.
If you dye your hair from brown to blonde, you're still a brown haired dude by nature. You just artifically coloured your hair.
This is a non life threatening thing. It is essentially cosmetic surgery. That, to me, should make it clear that the bill shouldn't be passed to someone else.
Sandman, from a purely medical point of view, there are very few medical arguments suggesting it is a necessary medical preocedure. If you venture into the world of psychiatry (which admittedly is part of medicin) one might get some support, but even then the MEDICAL response would not be to chop off someone's genitals but instead use medication to control depression or whatnot that someone confused about their gender can get into.
I have yet to see one case where a gender change has been a physical medical necessity. In fact, the adverse effects (both mentally and physically) of such a procedure are well documented.
I say let people do to their bodies what they want, but then they have to pick up the price tag themselves. I don't have any quarrels with people who do the gender shift thing and think it should be up to them. Letting someone else pick up the bill for it is just wrong in my book though.
Otherwise you'll end up having to pay for any eventual tattoo I get. Or Oprah's fat removal (liprosuction?) thingy.
Of course cabby makes it a leftist thingy, but he always does. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
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"If you return from a mission with a victory, but without your Rottenflieger, you have lost your battle."
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Mighty1
don't hold back, tell us what you really think (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Eagler
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If it is true:
to go from male to female costs $40,000.00 but from female to male costs $70,000.00 and the city of San Fran only pays $50,000.00
This makes San Fran a bunch of sexist pigs!!!
Where's the equal rights????
The people of San Fran should be in the streets demonstrating on a daily basis till equal rights for all is achieved!!
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Sorry for being so blunt but this politicaly correct BS is getting way out of hand.
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I also know that due to an illness while a teanager, my wife is not able to conceive simply due to tube scarring. Artificial incimination is not covered by insurance and is only 40% successful... at $15k a try.
I had heard about the sex changes having funds supplied but didn't find out until last night that fertillity issues would also be covered.
It amazes me that this city went out of its way to accomodate one group of people on a subject they had virtually ignored everyone else on for so long.
Sigh.
AKDejaVu
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Originally posted by Mighty1:
I may be a bigot but I damn sure am not ignorant.
Sorry if the thought of having some guys shove his dick up my bellybutton makes me sick. Sorry if that makes me a bigot. Sorry if I don't think a mental illness like homosexuality should be tolerated. Sorry if I'm tired of people trying to tell me what I should accept. Sorry I don't think the public should have to pay for something as sick as having your dick cut off or a new one put on.
You want to be a peter puffer? Fine go for it but don't tell me I have to accept it or finance it.
If being a straight white married man who thinks this whole thing is total roadkill makes me a bigot then I'm happy to be one.
Pretty much the way I feel, but it involves a lot more disrespect for gays.
-SW
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I work(ed) with all sorts of folks, their 'lifestyle' bothers me not...but, I compare someone wanting a sex change to that of someone wanting a tattoo either removed, or added...its a cosmetic choice that an individual makes, and should not be charged to the taxpayer...hey, if the Almighty one dealt you a bad hand, you play the hand dealt to you, you should not expect others to pay the burden for His choice (if you do indeed believe that non-scientific approach)
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Heh Mighty, I hope yer as intolerant of straight couples. I can tell you this with absolute certainty; there are straight couples doing some incredibly "perverted" things.
Of course it's easier to just hate disrespect gays (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
Everyone is a potential pervo, and lots of us have realized a life long dream of reaching undiscussable levels of degradation (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
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Von Santa
Staffelkapitän 9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
"If you return from a mission with a victory, but without your Rottenflieger, you have lost your battle."
- D. Hrabak, JG 54 "Grünherz"
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How many of us actually live in San Francisco?
I don't, so this doesn't affect me and frankly if I did I wouldn't care. It doesn't hurt me, I ain't gonna do it so who cares? I honestly doubt this will be used more than 2 or 3 times, even in San Francisco.
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Karnack
The issue isn't that the freaks want to get freaker, it's who is footing the bill. The problem is that if something this bizarre gains a foot hold anywhere, it's growth is almost certain - city to state to federal. If a she wants to be a he or vise versa, so be it but don't have the tax payers pay for it.
Eagler
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I've lived in S.F. for 5 years now (goin to school) and I'm not a huge liberal activist or anything and half the crap that the people walk around preachin 'round here I could really care less about. But when you meet people and becomes friends with them their cares and worries become yours as well. That's why sometimes it's so hard to sit back and listen to some of the crap that people dish out around here when it comes to homosexuals. How much is a gay man really gonna affect your life? Most just want to be left alone to live there's. I mean really, a disease? come on people, it's not the big of deal who they go to bed with. Doesn't change anything, they're just people who like everyone else get up to go to work in the morning and like to go grab some drinks with their friends afterwards. Concerning the messure passed I don't think other people should have to foot the bill for these procedures but the idea of having an issue with these people just because they exsist just defies comprehension for me. Why anyone would want to willing label themselves a biggot boggles my mind as well.
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I completely agree with Eagler and StSanta. The surgery is optional, voluntary, and not a treatment for any illnesses, physical or mental (except perhaps according to the most extreme psychiatrists). The patient must pick up the bill here, not the public.
This topic seemed clear and simple to me- I wonder why some people decided that the gay lifestyle had to be brought up and spat upon? It doesn't seem relevant.
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Feenyx,
There is a rare genetic flaw where a person has XXY instead of XX (female) or XY (male) chromosomes. The people with XXY are mostly physically male and mentally female, their brain is physically female.
In other words, they want to be female and their "self" is telling them that they are female.
Eagler,
The odds of this getting further than Berkeley and maybe Oakland has got to be minute. The vast majority of the country won't stand for these people to live in their communities, much less foot the bill for their medical work. As almost none of us live in SF, we won't be footing the bill. Further, given how rare this procedure is, I doubt that even in SF there will be much of a bill. I think this is much ado about nothing.
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We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother
Bring the Mosquito FB.MkVI Series 2 to Aces High!!!
Sisu
-Karnak
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Originally posted by Soulyss:
I mean really a disease?
You're going to school right?
Psychology 111. It'll answer that question the right way.
-SW
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Bad grammar Mr. T my bad.
I was being sarcastic, since I cannot believe that people still consider homosexuality to be a disease or some form of mental illness.
and I took Psych allready and the idea of it being considered mental illness is very outdated.
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Originally posted by Soulyss:
and I took Psych allready and the idea of it being considered mental illness is very outdated.
Depends who you talk to.
How many gay animals do you see running around?
The basis for understanding homosexuality is rooted in how the child was brought up or on biological reasons. Neither way is understood and neither way can be proven on how the person developed homosexual feelings.
Although maybe homosexuality is a reaction, on some deeper third eye level, to our species over-populating our planet.
Either way, you can't expect everyone or anyone to accept it.
-SW
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Actually homosexual activity is seen in the animal kingdom (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Aye soulyss, it isn't a purely human phenomenom and in some species it serves them well, enhancing the survival of relatives (and thereby part of the homosexual animal's gene code).
What worries me is people call homosexuality a sickness, yet perform the very same acts themselves, but on a different gender.
The dick ain't got eyes. An anus or a mouth is the same to it, be it on a woman or a male. Sickening as it may be, that's also the truth.
Personally, I hold it to be a bit disgusting. Then again, I also find people pissing and toejamting at each other a bit disgusting. Or people dressing up in diapers a bit weird. but I ain't condemning people for their sexual preferences or fetishes. It just ain't mine, and that's the end of that. Pun not intended (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Von Santa
Staffelkapitän 9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
"If you return from a mission with a victory, but without your Rottenflieger, you have lost your battle."
- D. Hrabak, JG 54 "Grünherz"
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Soulyss I was reading the transcripts from the show Hannity & Colmes from Fox did the other day when they had one of the Gay activist from SF and he said himself that it WAS a mental illness.
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Originally posted by Karnak:
There is a rare genetic flaw where a person has XXY instead of XX (female) or XY (male) chromosomes. The people with XXY are mostly physically male and mentally female, their brain is physically female.
Karnak, from what I've been told (and these are world known surgeons I get to rub elbow's with once a year at a event called "Christmas party") that your statement is true, but indeed a VERY rare case. The rest of these folks have become gay due to learned behavior.
Edit: Now, don't get me wrong, I could care less what someone does within closed doors, I just don't want to pay for what they perceive as 'natural selection'...nor do I want them telling my children in school that it is normal behavior...because it is NOT normal behavior.
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Neither is flying virtual planes planes, blasting virtual germans outta the sky Rip (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
It's there, it's not uncommon, it's not dangerous.
Pedophiles are more likely to be heterosexual than homosexual in their adult relationships, so in this regards you should fear heterosexuals more.
What's the danger here? that a gay says that his or her sexual preference isn'ts shameful, a big sin that'll send you to hell or unforgivable?
Aye, I pray daily that we don't inject a little tolerance into our kids; let the mind meme continue (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
The dangers being, of course, that your kid risks being frozen out from the rest of society because of his sexual inclination, should he turn out to be non straight. Why frozen out? Well, ya gave the answer yerself.
It also does not adress the perversity found in heterosexual homes - some people are sickos, I can tell you that. But, naturally, it is easier to make an incredibly broad generalization and just label something one disagrees with as evil. And it's even better if you can find an old collection of books to support it, by an appeal to authority fallacy.
Honestly, I don't give a rats arse about what two consenting adults do sexually. It doesn't say anything about their moral character when outta the bed, nor does it suggest criminal behaviour. If they get pleasure from it, that's their business. This whole idea that it somehow turns them into vicious sociopaths is laughable at best.
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Von Santa
Staffelkapitän 9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
"If you return from a mission with a victory, but without your Rottenflieger, you have lost your battle."
- D. Hrabak, JG 54 "Grünherz"
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I don't think it does change them into evil beings, Santa, one of the most brilliant and best bosses I worked for was gay when I was a bar manager(We used to have a joke about me never stocking beer when he was around, it required me bending over while he was nearby)...my biggest squeak is this: I don't think taxpayers dollars should fund sex changes, and I don't want people teaching my kids its "Okay". Sure, teach them to tolerate 'people who are different'...but you have a date with me and my anger if you instill upon them that its okay for Bobby to be boning Tommy in the back seat of a car.
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Hmm, I read the article and am a little confused about something... Is this law actually allocating money for people to have sex change operations? Or is it offering coverage for medical conditions associated with the person's new gender (like breast cancer) that they do not currently receive but that people born of that gender do?
Gordo
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Originally posted by Lance:
Hmm, I read the article and am a little confused about something... Is this law actually allocating money for people to have sex change operations? Or is it offering coverage for medical conditions associated with the person's new gender (like breast cancer) that they do not currently receive but that people born of that gender do?
Gordo
it makes sex change a covered proceedure. all other illnesses are covered regardless of sex -
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It does seem a little ironic to me, that many of you bang on (excuse the pun) about how your business is your own, yet are outraged by the activities of a minority thousands of miles away! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Nice one, BTW, Cabby, for crow-barring in your one and only talking point. Yeah, socialists invented homosexuality - well done.
If you were a Californian tax payer, sure take issue with it (if that is your want), but if not, you perhaps ought to practise what you preach.
As to the question of what is 'natural' or not - how can you judge what is natural or not? Evolution is a process fundamentally based on the perversion of genes, at any moment of time.
If these people want this surgery, then they should pay for it. And afterwards, I couldn't care less what they did, as long as they didn't hurt anyone. Which is quite likely anyway, because who has ever heard of 'hetero'-bashers?
I believe there is more to a person other than where they like to put their noodle. Frankly, I couldn't care less - I'm secure enough about my own sexuality, to be able to look past that.
BTW, I am a lesbian trapped inside a man's body.
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>to go from male to female costs $40,000.00
>but from female to male costs $70,000.00
>and the city of San Fran only pays
>$50,000.00
Wanna know what I think of all this? Well, I’m gonna tell ya anyway.
My immediate reaction is hmmmmm……maybe theres a market in all this.
Lets see. One side of the equation as a “commodity” they wish to get rid of. The other side wants to have that “commodity” sewn on. Niche market? Boner brokering? Store them in liquid nitro until you find the proper home for them. Photograph them, put them on a web site (eBay..er…eBone.com)for prospective clients to bid on. Gotta find that proper size and skin tone match. Specify your preference for a curve to the left or curve to the right option? Cut the “donor” in for a slice of the profit to offset their costs. Sorta like a trade-in at a car lot. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) Net goes in your pocket er purse …whatever.
I see franchise opportunity here. Demand and supply, supply and demand.
Wab
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wow I'm agreeing with StSanta in the MA and on the BBS...... my journey to the dark side must be complete. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Originally posted by Dowding:
If you were a Californian tax payer, sure take issue with it (if that is your want), but if not, you perhaps ought to practise what you preach.
Dowding, as brilliant as you claim to be, you have not ever heard of the word "Precedent"?
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Ahhh, whats the big deal?
Sounds to me like a certain segment of the voters in San Fransisco got together and had this issue put to a vote, as is there right, and the majority of the voters there voted it in. Isn't that what America is all about?
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Originally posted by Gunthr:
Ahhh, whats the big deal?
Sounds to me like a certain segment of the voters in San Fransisco got together and had this issue put to a vote, as is there right, and the majority of the voters there voted it in. Isn't that what America is all about?
not exactly.....our 11 "member" board of supervisors voted amongst themselves the vote was 9-2 in favor
- the president of our board of supes btw is tom amiano, a gay comedian and politician.
we voted for them in the last election but this was just a vote among politicioans not the people....
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Oh, I see. I don't blame you for being upset about that. I hope you can vote the rascals out.
Gunthr
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Ripsnort,
Yes, very rare. I did not mean to imply that all gays had this genetic flaw as they certainly do not. If they did it would make it pretty gosh darn easy to figure out why they were gay.
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We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother
Bring the Mosquito FB.MkVI Series 2 to Aces High!!!
Sisu
-Karnak
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it makes sex change a covered proceedure. all other illnesses are covered regardless of sex -
That is ridiculous.
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Dowding, as brilliant as you claim to be, you have not ever heard of the word "Precedent"?
Touch a nerve did I? Yet again, you are unable to see that I might just have been not entirely serious.
However, precedents at not necessarily followed, and until they are, I'd have expected your 'anti-interferencw' instincts to have concluded 'I'm alright, Jack', and moved on.
BTW, I've never claimed to be brilliant. Kindly point out to me a post in which I have done so? Thanks.
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Incidently, I didn't use the internet to gain a Masters Degree in Applied Physics. Actually, it is from the University of Durham. In a physics department with a research rating as high as Cambridge and Oxford, in a uni which is in the same league as Oxford or Cambridge.
And no, I am not a geek. Despite spending four long years there, my hair stayed short, my interest in Star Trek stayed slight, and my social skills never became inept.
I disagree with the last sentence. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)