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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Krusher on May 01, 2001, 04:14:00 PM
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I think the Russians have the right idea. I don't understand why NASA doesn't offer the same thing. If NASA had its budget cut in half I bet they would change their tune.
If some billionaire wants to spend 20 million on a joy ride, I say let him. He waived all liability rights anyhow, so what's the big deal.
just my opinion
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I've got mixxed feelings on it. On one hand I'm happy that a civilian is finaly up there. That's historical and promising. On the other hand I don't like that the Russians are treating the station like it's there's and they can do what ever they want with it. I wonder if they'll give NASA any of the cash? Or if NASA will have a bill for the dude when he gets back. ie. 10 million for O2 and another 10 million for the nitrogen (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
If the Russians want to capitalize on space they should have done it in MIR or build their own damn station, not on "ours" or they should give us 75% of the cash because we paid for most of the damned thing in the first place.
Then there's the whole thing that Russia out "capitalized" us (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
Udie
[This message has been edited by Udie (edited 05-01-2001).]
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Originally posted by Udie:
I've got mixxed feelings on it. On one hand I'm happy that a civilian is finaly up there. That's historical and promising. On the other hand I don't like that the Russians are treating the station like it's there's and they can do what ever they want with it. I wonder if they'll give NASA any of the cash? Or if NASA will have a bill for the dude when he gets back. ie. 10 million for O2 and another 10 million for the nitrogen (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
If the Russians want to capitalize on space they should have done it in MIR or build their own damn station, not on "ours" or they should give us 75% of the cash because we paid for most of the damned thing in the first place.
Then there's the whole thing that Russia out "capitalized" us (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
Udie
[This message has been edited by Udie (edited 05-01-2001).]
Look at how many objects the russians are throwing up there to support the space station (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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[This message has been edited by AG Sachsenberg (edited 05-01-2001).]
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I 100% support Tito and I am very, very happy that he is up there.
However, I dont like that Russia kept all the $20mil when its supposed to be an international station.
The should have given a small ammount to all the other countries. Not half of the $20 of course, but a small ammount; just to be representative that they are ALL in it together.
I do believe the Ruskies deserve 90% of the money, since they spent a considerable ammount on training for him, and launching a person to space is nothing cheap.
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Animal, the Russians keep the $20 mil, because none of the other space programs wants to have such a policy. They only allow it because the Russians assserted their right to put up whomever they want. Besides, their space program really needs the money, and unlike int'l "charity" funds, this dough has no strings attached.
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Ain't Capitalism grand (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Welcome Mother Russia (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Mother Russia rain down down down!
<gonna see The Sisters Of Mercy this summer>
Heh, too tempting (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
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Staffelkapitän 9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
"If you return from a mission with a victory, but without your Rottenflieger, you have lost your battle."
- D. Hrabak, JG 54 "Grünherz"
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The thing is that the russians actually "sold" their technology so that they could be part of the ISS program.
The US didn't give them the money they needed to build their modules for nothing, u know... the russians were far more advanced in Energy management and Life Support systems... soooo the US bought the technology.
(US has the money, Russia has the expertise in Space Life Support and Europe... well we still have the best GEO Launchers (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) )
So now they want to make a hotel in their "sovereign space"... no big deal if it doesn't interfere with the rest of the activities on the station.
One thing that you may not know is that International Space Law states that the russian modules are actually "russian ground", so the US have little if nothing to say about what happens in there (again, as long as it doesn't interfere with the NASA, NASDA, or ESA modules).
Now, the thing that worries me most is having James Cameron on the ISS... shouting "I'm the king of the... universe!" and things like that... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Daniel, aka CyranoDB
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Originally posted by CyranoAH:
So now they want to make a hotel in their "sovereign space"... no big deal if it doesn't interfere with the rest of the activities on the station.
How can it not?
You have some 200lb billionaire floating around putting his arse in your face.
It isn't like they can send him to the lobby or bar or somewhere out of the way.
I think the Russians jumped the gun on this one and it was a greed decision.
Glad to see a civilian in space but too early and for the wrong reason.
Heard Marriott is trying to franchise the ISS (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Eagler
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Originally posted by Eagler:
It isn't like they can send him to the lobby or bar or somewhere out of the way.
Hmm actually they have a Russian module and, from what I've heard from people I know at ESA, if he wants to stroll around the station outside the Russian module he has been asigned to, he has to be authorized by NASA, NASDA and ESA and in company of a NASA astronaut.
So, you see, if he doesn't come out of the russian module, it's highly unlikely to think that the activities outside russian space will be affected in any way.
The point is, while the ISS is a global project, each agency has its own private space, with separate funding and separate uses for their equipment.
If an, let's say, ESA astronaut is to do something inside one of NASA modules, he has to be authorized to do so.
I think it's a step forward to making space popular... now if we could just lower the prices a bit... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Daniel, aka CyranoDB
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Hey StSanta,
Where are the Sisters playing? I've been trying to see them for years but they always skip my neck of the planet (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
"In the wake of a ship of fools and I'm falling further down...if you can see me, Marian reach out and take me home..."
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Originally posted by Udie:
If the Russians want to capitalize on space they should have done it in MIR or build their own damn station
Tito space flight was planed for the MIR II, but since MIR II
was canceled, everything was hasty shipped to the ISS.
Many Russian ISS parts were build for the MIR II, some parts
are still having the MIR II label on it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
greets
Gh0stFT
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Gargoyle:
Well, they play in Bonn together with Bad Religion in late June, and then the 12th of July they will play at the Arvika festival in Sweden.
Won't be able to make it to Bonn due to exams, but will be able to go to Sweden (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
"Pass the crystal/spread the tarot
In illusion comfort lies
The safest road/the straight and narrow
No confusion/No surprise"
Now THAT is a GOOD piece of lyrics!
Woohooo! And I'll be there when they play it live! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Just heard an interview with the lead singer (got it on mp3 format). He says some pretty hilarous things (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Von Santa
Staffelkapitän 9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
"If you return from a mission with a victory, but without your Rottenflieger, you have lost your battle."
- D. Hrabak, JG 54 "Grünherz"
(http://stsantas.tripod.com/stsanta.jpg)
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[This message has been edited by StSanta (edited 05-02-2001).]
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I think it is a great idea.
The more interest the common man(I know he's rich) has in space travel the more money that will go into it and the more likely it will advance faster.
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Originally posted by Mighty1:
I think it is a great idea.
The more interest the common man(I know he's rich) has in space travel the more money that will go into it and the more likely it will advance faster.
Just wait till some smart investor group sees BIG money in this and you'll have several mega-companies trying to build orbital hotels in no time... Ucranian launchers are VERY safe, and I'm sure they could handle this kind of demand.
Right now, since the launches are for research purposes only, the cost is very high, and I don't think the russians profit margin for this operation is exaggerated.
As a future ESA employee (I'm hoping I'm hoping...) I'd love to see the market develop in that direction.
Quick Quiz:
Who said...?
"The Earth is the cradle of mankind, but one can't stay in the cradle forever"
Daniel, aka CyranoDB
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Dooooodd.. No drug laws in space man. Gunna hafta get me a zero-G bong. noo wait dood. I wuz in orbit yesterday. Why spend 20 million bucks when twenty on mescaline does just the same thing/ plus there ain't no graveyards in space.
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Originally posted by Dinger:
Dooooodd.. No drug laws in space man. Gunna hafta get me a zero-G bong. noo wait dood. I wuz in orbit yesterday. Why spend 20 million bucks when twenty on mescaline does just the same thing/ plus there ain't no graveyards in space.
Hehe, Ground Control to Major Tom... there actually ARE graveyards in space, plenty of junk over there. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Oh and BTW, I'm going on a Zero-G flight next July (4th ESA Student Parabolic Flight Campaign), so I'll tell ya how's the "trip" (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Daniel, aka CyranoDB