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Title: Big Bomber?
Post by: z0rch on March 31, 2006, 11:03:28 AM
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20060331/D8GMGPLG8.html
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LAS VEGAS (AP) - Plans for a Pentagon-led experiment that involves detonating 700 tons of explosives in the desert drew criticism from state leaders and a disarmament activist.

The explosion scheduled for June 2 at the Nevada Test Site is part of an effort to design a weapon that can penetrate solid rock formations in which a country might store nuclear weapons or other weapons of mass destruction.
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I can't wait to see what they use to deliver a 1,400,000 lb bomb.
Title: Re: Big Bomber?
Post by: Gunslinger on March 31, 2006, 11:13:31 AM
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Originally posted by z0rch
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20060331/D8GMGPLG8.html


I can't wait to see what they use to deliver a 1,400,000 lb bomb.


attach wings and a couple of engines to it and have it fly itself in.

Future plans (and I'm just guessing here) give it a commercial transponder and fly it strait into Iran as a passenger jet.  Slight deviation from course, a little loss of altitude maybe even declare an IFE and then cabooooooom over an Iaranian bunker.
Title: Big Bomber?
Post by: Boroda on March 31, 2006, 11:18:59 AM
Read it in Russian news, thought it's a mistake or some idiot didn't know that 700lb != 700tons.
Title: Big Bomber?
Post by: Gunslinger on March 31, 2006, 11:21:51 AM
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Originally posted by Boroda
Read it in Russian news, thought it's a mistake or some idiot didn't know that 700lb != 700tons.


700Lbs does not equal 700tons
Title: Big Bomber?
Post by: Boroda on March 31, 2006, 11:28:50 AM
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
700Lbs does not equal 700tons


That's exactly what I meant. You know, to become a journalist you have to pass a special test, to approve that you don't remember anything from elementary school and above. And for some "translators" the "lb" abbreviation may be unfamiliar. Why L and B when it has to be F? (pound = "funt" in Russian).
Title: Big Bomber?
Post by: Wolfala on March 31, 2006, 12:06:05 PM
Mmm...largest non bomb explosion.  I'd have to go with the ammonium percolate plant in Las Vegas 1988 at Pepcon. Obliterated everything for 3 miles in all directions.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c9/PEPCON_Explosion.gif)

http://www.interfire.org/res_file/pdf/Tr-021.pdf
Title: Big Bomber?
Post by: SaburoS on March 31, 2006, 08:57:55 PM
Well it can't be 700 lbs.

"The test, named "Divine Strake," will involve nearly 40 times the amount of commercial ammonium nitrate and fuel oil explosive set off in the largest open-air, non-nuclear blast at the site to date. In 2002, 18 tons of explosives were set off at the Nevada Test Site."

Maybe they meant 70 tons?
Title: Big Bomber?
Post by: Masherbrum on March 31, 2006, 08:59:53 PM
It's obvious Iran is the intended focus of this "experiment".
Title: Big Bomber?
Post by: Hoarach on March 31, 2006, 09:44:01 PM
Was reading in the paper how Iran just tested a new missle.  This missle supposedly is stealthy enough to avoid radar detection, very mobile, and very accurate.  They also say that anti missle missles cant hit it.  This missle supposedly is also able to carry a nuclear warhead and its range depends how much warhead is placed in the missle.  The missle can also simultaneuosly hit several targets.

This missle was made for the large Middle East military manuevers in the Persian Gulf.

Imagine having Iran having the ability to send these missles at other countries without them even knowing until it hits.
Title: Big Bomber?
Post by: FUNKED1 on March 31, 2006, 11:08:10 PM
Pepcon was big but not THAT big.  Read that PDF - "Within three miles there was extensive window breakage and moderate structural damage."
Title: Big Bomber?
Post by: Wolfala on April 01, 2006, 02:12:16 AM
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Pepcon was big but not THAT big.  Read that PDF - "Within three miles there was extensive window breakage and moderate structural damage."


Do you have any idea how much overpressure it has to be to have moderate structural damage? Only a 2 psi difference is enough to destroy New York City.
Title: Big Bomber?
Post by: Staga on April 01, 2006, 04:23:22 AM
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Originally posted by Hoarach

Imagine having Iran having the ability to send these missles at other countries without them even knowing until it hits.


Like bombs falling from B-2 or F-117 ?

Yeah imagine that.
Title: Big Bomber?
Post by: Wolfala on April 01, 2006, 04:53:33 AM
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Originally posted by Wolfala
Do you have any idea how much overpressure it has to be to have moderate structural damage? Only a 2 psi difference is enough to destroy New York City.


Addendum

DAMAGE ASSESSMENT

Both the PEPCON and marshmallow manufacturing facilities were
virtually destroyed. Damage within a 1.5 mile radius was heavy, including
destroyed cars, structural damage to buildings and downed powerlines.
Within three miles there was extensive window breakage and moderate
structural damage. Many structures had damage to suspended ceilings and
overhangs, windows and doors, exterior details and cracked walls.

Damage extended for a radius of up to 10 miles. Buildings were
damaged throughout Henderson including over $100,000 damage to the main fire station and heavy structural damage to a warehouse next door.
Hundreds of windows were shattered, doors were blown off their hinges,
walls were cracked, and scores of people were injured by flying glass and
debris. At Las Vegas's McCarran International Airport seven miles away,
windows were cracked and doors were pushed open. A Boeing 737 on final
approach was buffeted by the shock wave.

The fire departments in the area were heavily committed to the actual
incident scene and had little involvement with damage assessment or other
activities away from the immediate area.
Title: Re: Big Bomber?
Post by: Dago on April 01, 2006, 07:38:29 AM
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Originally posted by z0rch



I can't wait to see what they use to deliver a 1,400,000 lb bomb.


That was my first thought, what the heck would deliver a bomb that is almost twice the weight of a fully loaded 747?
Title: Big Bomber?
Post by: Holden McGroin on April 01, 2006, 01:02:05 PM
"Suppose two 747's could carry it together... "

"They would have to have it on a line..."

"Why not?"

"What... held under the dorsal guiding feathers?"
Title: Big Bomber?
Post by: RAIDER14 on April 01, 2006, 01:07:42 PM
:O AREA 51 X-Plane weapon testing
Title: Big Bomber?
Post by: Masherbrum on April 01, 2006, 01:36:00 PM
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Originally posted by Wolfala
Addendum

DAMAGE ASSESSMENT

Both the PEPCON and marshmallow manufacturing facilities were
virtually destroyed. Damage within a 1.5 mile radius was heavy, including
destroyed cars, structural damage to buildings and downed powerlines.
Within three miles there was extensive window breakage and moderate
structural damage. Many structures had damage to suspended ceilings and
overhangs, windows and doors, exterior details and cracked walls.

Damage extended for a radius of up to 10 miles. Buildings were
damaged throughout Henderson including over $100,000 damage to the main fire station and heavy structural damage to a warehouse next door.
Hundreds of windows were shattered, doors were blown off their hinges,
walls were cracked, and scores of people were injured by flying glass and
debris. At Las Vegas's McCarran International Airport seven miles away,
windows were cracked and doors were pushed open. A Boeing 737 on final
approach was buffeted by the shock wave.

The fire departments in the area were heavily committed to the actual
incident scene and had little involvement with damage assessment or other
activities away from the immediate area.


That is AMAZING damage!   I cannot dispute this, nor would intend too.  The concussion wave in the photo loop is evidence of this.