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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Eagle Eye on March 31, 2006, 02:32:44 PM
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Recently all i here is so and so complain they want to FURBALL and so and so is taking FT,TT,whatever. I propouse a new arena/Change Backup to Furball ARENA/TT.
Disable troops at all bases PERMANETLY!!!!!!!
Make 1 Bomber and 1 Fighter Hanger Indestructable.
Make a seperate area (Long range from FT) TT make troops Unavalible again. And 1 VH Undestructable.
Make complaining in Main arena a violation if its about base taking. As that would be the idea and Purpose for MA.
IF YOU THINK THIS IS A GOOD IDEA OR HAVE IDEAS TO HELP END THE Constant complaining about Base captures.Since that is the idea of the game. Then chime in.
I am trying to fix a problem PLEASE NO SARCASTIC RESPONCES OR WHINNING ABOUT THE ISSUE!!!!!
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I like your idea, however, contrary to some people's opinion, I believe there would not be 600 people in that arena to show, "HEY LOOK AT ALL THE KILLS I LANDED, YAAAAAYYYYY ME!! It's an attention issue.
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HTC won't split the player base that way.
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Wow, yet another "let's send the group we consider to be separate from the rest of the community to another arena" thread.
Seriously, you consider banishing those who don't support griefing to another arena to be a solution?
The issue isn't base capture; it's griefing that is making people upset. Why do so many folks insist on pretending it's not?
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
Wow, yet another "let's send the group we consider to be separate from the rest of the community to another arena" thread.
Seriously, you consider banishing those who don't support griefing to another arena to be a solution?
The issue isn't base capture; it's griefing that is making people upset. Why do so many folks insist on pretending it's not?
yeah, bang on
its not base taking. sometimes i like base taking. its the people that come and screw other peoples fight up on purpose
like, a gay buff dweeb that will come through a great furball that eveyone is loving, and deliberately destroy the hangars. or lame pork dork typhoons
its not for any strategic value, its just to annoy people.
and what annoys me even more is that the obviously retarded majority of the AH toolshed community continue to attack a base and destroy EVERYTHING there, including all the fuel, all the stuff there, but never attack the town. i mean, isnt that really stupid? so it ends up just being an hour or so before they finally take the base. it would be fine if their horde took a base from right underneath us, or really fought their way to the base, but they dont, they dont fight, they kill the defenseless buildings and just take ages, and it means that the defenders cant do much because they constantly get vulched.
just drives me nuts. they do it on purpose. it seems they dont play this game to fight and have fun, they just play for points, its really lame
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as someone who doesn't care about taking bases, i still like to fight those you are trying to.
this is the whole thing about FT. FT is beloved by the furballers. it is the only cluster of bases designed in the way that it is. furballers asked if the mission guys would leave those bases alone. remember we are talking about 1 and only 1 map, and 1 and only 1 base per country on that map. so you have the rest of the freakin map to do what you will.
the response/solution to this is to split the community further and make a new arena.
to me it seems this issue is about the community, not so much the style of play. a simple request, and seems reasonable, is responded with comments like "it's my $15 ill do what i want, you can't tell me how to play."
there is no simple solution to this. many have friends that like to fly against, chat with, so on and so forth. what some of you guys lose sight of in this game with comments like this, is that people also play because they enjoy the challenge of fighting a live opponent (not a FH), and that many enjoy relaxing/chatting with friends they have made playing this game. some of these friends may be strat guys, or furballers.....it doesn't matter, we are here to have fun.....oh wait no, its so everyone can see me land 5 kills, ya thats it :huh
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A whine about a whine... original.
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Originally posted by SuperDud
A whine about a whine... original.
Often imitated, often duplicated.
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How often do I see dorks in the text buffer saying they like taking out the hangars at furballs because "they like to hear the furballers whine"... it's pathetic how many griefers there are. You know how many times I've seen furballers say how much they love taking out bomber hangars and ord so the bomber guys (the ones that aren't lamers... there used to be some, don't know about that anymore) can't fly? None.
The ball is in the toolshedders' court. It really will be pathetic if hitech's forced to come up with a solution to end all the whines and griefing. This community used to be better than that.
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:O
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You seem to be a necrophile, diggIN out dead threads....
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Thanks for the lovely VISUAL, Lusche....
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68ROX
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Heard something similar to this the other day and almost cried i was laughing so hard.
Their side: "Why do you guys always have to ruin our furballs by destroying the hangars?"
Our side: "Yeah, we typically show up to a furball with ord, bombers, and a goon dumb***. It's just how we roll."
As far as greifers go, Would you like me to hold your purse for you? Come on. It's not like your completely frakking helpless here. You got GUNS man, USE 'EM.:D
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Originally posted by Pooface
its not base taking. sometimes i like base taking. its the people that come and screw other peoples fight up on purpose
like, a gay buff dweeb that will come through a great furball that eveyone is loving, and deliberately destroy the hangars. or lame pork dork typhoons
its not for any strategic value, its just to annoy people.
When I first started here, and for a long time after, I used to go fly a buff out and take (or at least try to take) the hangers out at a field that was at one end of a "good fight". It wasn't to piss anyone off. I thought I was doing the right thing. If the fight was stalled between two bases and through bombing the enemy base our country could move forward then I had, in my mind, positively influenced the direction of the fight.
Even now it's sometimes hard to distinguish between a furball and a stalemate when flying over at altitude.
For the most part, I doubt most bomber pilots are trying to piss you off (although some may be), rather I think they consider themselves contributing to the cause.
If the intent isn't to work toward capture of an enemy base then bombers should be eliminated from the game for fear that you're ruining some fighter dudes fun.
Even if the base is taken the furball will redevelop in another location.
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ya'll did notice this thread is over a year old right?
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Not like it's ever gonna change..I mean why attack things that shoot back?
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Originally posted by The Fugitive
ya'll did notice this thread is over a year old right?
Yes it is, but the whines are just the same now as they were back then. Nothing has changed other then splitting up the arenas. Problems we had back then are still with us, otherwise the whining would have stopped. Just make the best of what we do have, and enjoy your style of playing. You may not like the next set of changes that could come about. It may not be the best ever game anymore, but it's still better then what else that is out there online. Like anything in life, it's what you make of it, fun or not fun playing. You might want to thank the HTC crew once in a while instead of the never ending whining over and over about the same old stuff. Besides HTC has already said they will not go back to the way it was. A thousand small arenas, but never a single one ever again. Now I am not trying to flame anyone, just pointing out that we are right back where we started a year ago.
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Originally posted by BaldEagl
When I first started here, and for a long time after, I used to go fly a buff out and take (or at least try to take) the hangers out at a field that was at one end of a "good fight". It wasn't to piss anyone off. I thought I was doing the right thing. If the fight was stalled between two bases and through bombing the enemy base our country could move forward then I had, in my mind, positively influenced the direction of the fight.
Even now it's sometimes hard to distinguish between a furball and a stalemate when flying over at altitude.
For the most part, I doubt most bomber pilots are trying to piss you off (although some may be), rather I think they consider themselves contributing to the cause.
If the intent isn't to work toward capture of an enemy base then bombers should be eliminated from the game for fear that you're ruining some fighter dudes fun.
Even if the base is taken the furball will redevelop in another location.
well said!!
i can imagine flying for 30- minutes to bomb what i thought to be an attempt at taking a base, then having a couple furball lovers start biotchin about ruining their fun.
but in reality my intention was to move forward, not ruin anyones fun.
when there is a crowd involved, not every one will be happy with the results.
live with it or shut up.
there are more people who say nothing and go on their merry way than there are people who come on here and cry about every little thing.
but hey , then it wouldn,t be the AHs BBs with out the whining.
would it?
Beer is good!!,
Boner
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Once on a bombing mision to a large field (you know, where you actually climb to alt in formation, have escorts, plan and do it right) I was PM'd after we droped by a friendly and asked why we "grief". priceless:lol
field waffled one pass= mission accomplished
pissed off a squeaker= bonus :D
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Al Gore invented whining.
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Every game has an objective. Many seem to have either forgotten or don't know/care that in AH the objective has always been to "Win the War".
Until that changes, any base that's able to be taken is fair game. TT, FT or otherwise.
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I would have to agree, The point of the game is to win the war for your country. Though the knights RARELY work twords that end, my squadron does. We take back realestate as often as we can. I feel that as long as a base is capturable it is fair game, despite the contradictory whines. But as this thread is merely beating a dead horse so to speak I will hush for now. :)
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I will have to agree witht he earlier statements made by bomber pilots..
If I am seeing a base which has been fighting with my side for 10-15 min.I am thinking "HEY,maybe they just need a nice big fat lance to come over and take down some hangars"..SO up I go,usually about 4-5 sectors out..30-40 min of flying..and get over there to bomb,and after I have taken down some evil empire hangar:p ,I find everyone suddenly leaves,not all the time,but enough recently it can get just as frustrating for me as it may for others who do the same.
Was I trying to ruin the "fun"? no..But I am merely trying to win the war..That is #1 in my mind when I am online,as well as to have fun.I used to bomb TT when I first joined,until I found out that even my own side was getting upset with me,so I have adjusted my "attitude controller" and do not point that way,although it does get tempting at times.;) But I cannot say I will NEVER work on taking TT.
As far as enemy cv's.,I will do all within my power to take them down..They are a very hazardous MACHINE to have around bases,and I make no apologies..
I do more support missions than TAKING bases missions,but am learning that I may have to upgrade my thinking as well as strategy,and start adding in some goons and town killers..
Peace and Plenty,
Kevin
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Originally posted by NHawk
Every game has an objective. Many seem to have either forgotten or don't know/care that in AH the objective has always been to "Win the War".
Until that changes, any base that's able to be taken is fair game. TT, FT or otherwise.
Wrong.
Originally posted by DaddyAck
I would have to agree, The point of the game is to win the war for your country.
Also wrong.
HT has stated that the object of the game is aerial combat. Capturing territory is just a means to help faciliate that goal. But make no mistake, the main thrust of the game is aerial combat.
If you think the "point" of Aces High II is to "capure bases" and "win the war" then you are 100% wrong.
Taking bases and winning the war is but a mere sideshows to the aerial combat. The POINT of the game is to fight. It saddens me how many people have lost sight of that.
Back in my AirWarrior days I only spent MAYBE 20% of the time trying to capture fields (if that). It was ALL about the fighting. Now it seems almost the opposite, and that's too bad.
In AcesHigh, and I really hate to say this, fighting doesn't seem to be that important to people. They are intent on "winning the war" and the vast majority of them couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag. I really feel bad for 'em too 'cause they are missing out on what makes Aces High so special. Taking off and haveing a white knuckle fight with 3-5 opponents, limping your shot up plane back to base and landing those kills. Gawd that is the best.
So to all those "win the war! GOT TO WIN THE WAR!!!!!" types, you have my deepest sympathies. I guess hoarding and capturing fields IS easier than learning how to fight, but you are missing out on what is REALLY fun about this game, and that is aerial combat.
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The fact that someone plays the game differently from you does not make them a dweeb, noob, lamer, porker or gamer. I fly fighters almost exclusively. I tend to cherry pick. Sometimes employing different strategies to take others by suprise. Some don't like this style of fight. Sorry, that is not going to stop me.
I think it is the variety of tactics (or lack thereof) that makes the game interesting and gives it it's richness. It holds player's attention for years. Not many computer games can say that.
I have had some complaints. Warping and discos to name them. But I'm not going to complain about someones style of playing. If you want a high score, go pork some bases, go set up a vulch fest, go do whatever it is you want to do. I'll keep playing my way and having fun.
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Originally posted by WMLute
....HT has stated that the object of the game is aerial combat. Capturing territory is just a means to help faciliate that goal. But make no mistake, the main thrust of the game is aerial combat.
If you think the "point" of Aces High II is to "capure bases" and "win the war" then you are 100% wrong.
Taking bases and winning the war is but a mere sideshows to the aerial combat. The POINT of the game is to fight. It saddens me how many people have lost sight of that......
Yes, the whole point of the game is to fight, but if the whole point was aerial combat there would be no need for a capture system or a "reward" for winning the war.
Short and sweet...
You are flying in aerial combat to defend your country or in offense against another country. Fail in your mission and your country will be over run and you will lose the war.
If you can debate that, have at it but I stand by my original statement.
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Originally posted by NHawk
Yes, the whole point of the game is to fight, but if the whole point was aerial combat there would be no need for a capture system or a "reward" for winning the war.
Short and sweet...
You are flying in aerial combat to defend your country or in offense against another country. Fail in your mission and your country will be over run and you will lose the war.
If you can debate that, have at it but I stand by my original statement.
Uhhh... no need to debate. The game creator has already explained what the point is of the game that he made.
You can TRY to argue with HiTech on what that purpose really is, but i'm fairly sure the outcome would be fairly obvious.
Lose the war? Arena resets, new map, go at it again. The war is just to facillitate the aerial combat. You don't really "win" anything.
As has been said many times in the past, winning the war is merely a sideshow to the aerial combat.
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Originally posted by WMLute
Uhhh... no need to debate. The game creator has already explained what the point is of the game that he made.
You can TRY to argue with HiTech on what that purpose really is, but i'm fairly sure the outcome would be fairly obvious.
Lose the war? Arena resets, new map, go at it again. The war is just to facillitate the aerial combat. You don't really "win" anything.
As has been said many times in the past, winning the war is merely a sideshow to the aerial combat.
Yup. Good post Lute.
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lute, i so agree, although ive never heard it said that HT says its about the Aeriel combat.
but since ive been flying 4 years now, its always been about the dogfight or great 1vs 1, but i also know that for some, carpet bombing a base is the shiznits for them. it does piss me off if someone drops hangers and stops a good furball, but not realy, cuz somewhere else there is another one just gotta look at the map and find it. if not just fly towards the biggest red darr you can find. its always target rich in those areas:D
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Originally posted by WMLute
Uhhh... no need to debate. The game creator has already explained what the point is of the game that he made.
You can TRY to argue with HiTech on what that purpose really is, but i'm fairly sure the outcome would be fairly obvious.
Lose the war? Arena resets, new map, go at it again. The war is just to facillitate the aerial combat. You don't really "win" anything.
As has been said many times in the past, winning the war is merely a sideshow to the aerial combat.
Lute, you're missing the point that I agree aerial combat IS the point of the game.
But that "side show" that is mentioned gives a REASON for the aerial combat. That reason is to prevent your country from losing a base, damage to factories or losing the war.
Don't look at the small picture. I'm certain HT didn't and that's why there is a "war". IF there were no capturing bases, losing wars, etc there would be no need for the aerial combat and we'd all be flying IL2.
It's the excitement factor, defending/attacking a base/country gives excitement and reason for the combat.
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Originally posted by NHawk
Every game has an objective. Many seem to have either forgotten or don't know/care that in AH the objective has always been to "Win the War".
Until that changes, any base that's able to be taken is fair game. TT, FT or otherwise.
Actually, IMHO, there are many different objectives to many different people. This is why we tend to give these names, ie toolshedders, furballers etc..
It's very cool that we have one game with so many different angles to play. It really all blends togeather pretty well when you think about it, I was just talking to a friend over on the rook side just few minutes ago, he asked if i wanted to get a capture, on a base he was workin on, I didn't want to take it from him,( cause i don't care) but it ment something to him ,so it was nice of him to offer.
But my point being that if they didn't like taking bases and flying bombers, porking fields towns and ammo dumps, think of how many less targets and areas to find a fight in there would be.
I really think as far as griefers go, if you would just take a deep breath when your about to let somebody have it on 200 or in pm, and think about it a second, you would realize that these guys play their game while you play yours, and they probably acct for a good chunk of your kills by the end of the tour.
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Originally posted by NHawk
Every game has an objective. Many seem to have either forgotten or don't know/care that in AH the objective has always been to "Win the War"
Originally posted by NHawk
Lute, you're missing the point that I agree aerial combat IS the point of the game.
Glad you came around finally.
I personally enjoy almost all facets of the game. I capture/defend bases, GV, Jabo, resupply, run/participate in mission, Special Events, bomb every once and awhile (not really much of a lvl bomber tho') and loooove a good white knuckle fight.
I had someone call me all kinda "all you wanna do is fight, go to the DA" type things last night, and that is just so off base. (the base we were over I had just took earlier w/ an m3 ironically enough) BUT I think sooooo many miss the "point" of the game.
I had the above player attack me with alt, blow said alt in 2-3 passes, tried a reeeeeeeaaaaally bad move and died quick. So they came back, and all they would do is joust and extend (knowing it was me). HAD THAT BEEN ME, I woulda been all over 'em. Can't learn how to kill someone if you not trying. They said things like "I was defending the base, keeping you from attacking it" or "I am into field captures, and the fighting is not as important to me". I of course replied that learning how to fight really makes the base captures much easier.
Once upon a time, back in the day when I was still fairly new (1yr ish maybe) I ran across Shane and got beat bad. I then proceeded to up and fight 'em a good 4-5 times in a row and died quickly 4-5 times in a row. I then asked Shane if I could film the move he was doing that was killing me so quickly. He oblidged, and I got a film of me attacking him at three diff alt/speeds. I thanked him, died fighting him again, and logged. I then spent a good 30min watching the film over and over. I got a couple of cig. packs out and tried to recreate what he was doing, and what I should do to counter it. Lots of cig. pack waving later, I thought I understood what he was doing, logged back on, and went hunting for Shane.
Pretty sure he killed me lot's after that, but I DID end up countering the move and beating him down the road.
That's my point. It's almost like nobody want's to even try. One has to up a fast plane just to FORCE people to fight you anymore. I see far too many people that don't even want to TRY to learn how to fight. Far too many of the player base think the way you did in the first quote above. They think the point is to capture fields, and learning to fight is not as important.
How sad for them. I am not sad because they are not playing the game in the mannor it was intended. I am sad because they are missing what is the greatest and most magical part of this game. Aerial Combat.
It is not easy to master. Heck, I still have so much to learn, but I am willing to learn. I am willing to practice. I am willing to try. I just wish more players had that attitude, and helped pass it on to the new players.
They don't even know what they are missing.
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Originally posted by WMLute
Uhhh... no need to debate. The game creator has already explained what the point is of the game that he made.
You can TRY to argue with HiTech on what that purpose really is, but i'm fairly sure the outcome would be fairly obvious.
Lose the war? Arena resets, new map, go at it again. The war is just to facillitate the aerial combat. You don't really "win" anything.
As has been said many times in the past, winning the war is merely a sideshow to the aerial combat.
Uhhh... don,t need to debate. don,t care what the game creators point of the game is!
Don,t CARE what anybody SAYS the purpose of the game is.
If i feel like playing "win the war" ..then starting all over again ,i will.
When i play the game that way, THATS the purpose of the game to ME.
If i feel like upping and looking for a fight then landing and upping again repeatedly, i will.
And when i play the game that way, THATS the purpose of the game to ME.
I can,t stand these "elitist" dweebs OR HiTech, telling me i,m playing the game all wrong.
And as far as not "winning" anything?
No matter which way you play the game , the only thing you "win", is a great feeling of satisfaction of having completed something.
It doesn't matter how you get that satisfaction when you play.
Nor is one way of reaching that point any more or less satisfying than another.
Anything I,m NOT doing is a sideshow to the game.
Fighter jock elitist attitudes should be left behind closed mouths!!
Obstinently yours,
Boner
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Originally posted by WMLute
Wrong.
Also wrong.
HT has stated that the object of the game is aerial combat. Capturing territory is just a means to help faciliate that goal. But make no mistake, the main thrust of the game is aerial combat.
If you think the "point" of Aces High II is to "capure bases" and "win the war" then you are 100% wrong.
Taking bases and winning the war is but a mere sideshows to the aerial combat. The POINT of the game is to fight. It saddens me how many people have lost sight of that.
Back in my AirWarrior days I only spent MAYBE 20% of the time trying to capture fields (if that). It was ALL about the fighting. Now it seems almost the opposite, and that's too bad.
In AcesHigh, and I really hate to say this, fighting doesn't seem to be that important to people. They are intent on "winning the war" and the vast majority of them couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag. I really feel bad for 'em too 'cause they are missing out on what makes Aces High so special. Taking off and haveing a white knuckle fight with 3-5 opponents, limping your shot up plane back to base and landing those kills. Gawd that is the best.
So to all those "win the war! GOT TO WIN THE WAR!!!!!" types, you have my deepest sympathies. I guess hoarding and capturing fields IS easier than learning how to fight, but you are missing out on what is REALLY fun about this game, and that is aerial combat.
I suppose you will tell me next that Twister is not about winning the game. You probably think it's about having fun and trying to keep your balance while intertwined with drunk cheerleaders.
How 'bout chess, hmm? I'm sure you'll say that winning is of no importance in this game, either. You probably think that it's about outsmarting your opponent, anticpating his moves, and testing your skill while moving little game pieces around a checkerboard.
Well, Sir, you're wrong. All games are about winning and winning only. The problem is all the challenging stuff in the middle.
That's why I've invented a game that gets rid of all that unwanted garbage. It's called Put the Spoon in a Cup. All you need is a spoon and a cup. Once you figure out what to do, and do it, you win.
Once all these morons that only care about winning get wind of this game, they will all leave Aces High for it. It's so easy to win, how could they not? It's coming out in late August sometime. So, after that, your aerial combat should go on uninterrupted 24 hours a day!:aok
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Originally posted by iWalrus
I suppose you will tell me next that Twister is not about winning the game. You probably think it's about having fun and trying to keep your balance while intertwined with drunk cheerleaders.
How 'bout chess, hmm? I'm sure you'll say that winning is of no importance in this game, either. You probably think that it's about outsmarting your opponent, anticpating his moves, and testing your skill while moving little game pieces around a checkerboard.
Well, Sir, you're wrong. All games are about winning and winning only. The problem is all the challenging stuff in the middle.
Do you even PLAY aces high?
Define "winning" then. Is you and a hoard of others dying over and over in vast numbers to take a base winning? Are the dozens of deaths you suffer trying to pork that ord, or kill that vh winning?
Who really won there. You and the masses that give me 30 kills to to my handful of deaths or the mass of lemmings that captured a field after dying en-mass for an hour?
I am sure there was a thrill of victory after I captured my first couple hundred bases. I am positive that I got a kick out of my first 20-40 Win the Wars.
It's a stage.
Most go thu' it.
Granted, I also dig a well defended base capture. I LOVE it when we are at a number disadvantage and still manage to capture that field. I also love defending against vast hoards of lemmings and preventing the field from being took. I take special pride in a well timed and executed base capture. I do take enjoyment from all these things, and hopefully always will.
But in the end, years down the road, what is special, what is MOST special is Aerial Combat. Flying towards 2-3 planes with alt and shooting 'em all down. Being surrounded otd with 4-5 bad guys swarming me and making 'em all go BOOM! Finding myself at a disadvantage, be it plane, position, or numbers, and flying my way to victory. What a rush!
Don't get caught up with the side show. It's still but a minor part of what makes this game the amazing thing that it is.
I've been where you are at. Can you honestly say you understand where I am coming from?
(still can't figure out people that post stuff here and not put their in-game ID. makes me wonder what it is they are hiding from)
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Originally posted by WMLute
Do you even PLAY aces high?
Define "winning" then. Is you and a hoard of others dying over and over in vast numbers to take a base winning? Are the dozens of deaths you suffer trying to pork that ord, or kill that vh winning?
Who really won there. You and the masses that give me 30 kills to to my handful of deaths or the mass of lemmings that captured a field after dying en-mass for an hour?
I am sure there was a thrill of victory after I captured my first couple hundred bases. I am positive that I got a kick out of my first 20-40 Win the Wars.
It's a stage.
Most go thu' it.
Granted, I also dig a well defended base capture. I LOVE it when we are at a number disadvantage and still manage to capture that field. I also love defending against vast hoards of lemmings and preventing the field from being took. I take special pride in a well timed and executed base capture. I do take enjoyment from all these things, and hopefully always will.
But in the end, years down the road, what is special, what is MOST special is Aerial Combat. Flying towards 2-3 planes with alt and shooting 'em all down. Being surrounded otd with 4-5 bad guys swarming me and making 'em all go BOOM! Finding myself at a disadvantage, be it plane, position, or numbers, and flying my way to victory. What a rush!
Don't get caught up with the side show. It's still but a minor part of what makes this game the amazing thing that it is.
I've been where you are at. Can you honestly say you understand where I am coming from?
(still can't figure out people that post stuff here and not put their in-game ID. makes me wonder what it is they are hiding from)
Wow
YOU just don,t get it, do you?
Glad you enjoy the aerial combat side of this game so much.
But I don,t think that you should be telling people that they shouldn,t enjoy Their own style of playing this game.
Or that their style of game play is stupid or somehow less satisfying than yours.
cause its not.
maybe its just a stage you,re going through.
And i think i defined "winning" for you in the post above iwalrus' post.
My way is the best:D ,
Boner.
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I enjoy the areal kills, I truly do, especially GOOD fights that are exceedingly hard to find considering all the special efforts at dweebieness. I also like to see it when wars are won and bases are taken, again especailly when it means it was a hard faught base capture at a base whoos defenders gave a good opposition to make it challenging. That being said, I do not mind bombing a field into submission ;however, I do my bombing in level flight at 20-25k and not in dweebish diving lancasters.
I also believe that no matter what people's oppinions on what is "wrong","dweebinsh",or being a "gamer" is. This game overall is an outstanding form of entertainment that has something to offer for everyone's style of play and personal taste. That being said it is that same broad appeal that will forever as in real live generate discord over differences of oppinion. For example one man's lame "HO" is another man's hard earned thrilling kill and one man's lame "running" is another man's way of feeling like he accomplished something by egressing safely to land his kills. I guess the point I am trying to convey here is thus, we all as part of the AHII comunity will forever have differing views and instead of trying to pick apart HiTech or any of his staffers or the game itself for difference in oppinions, let us come together as a comunity and just have fun in the virtual skies in whatever way that is fun to our own individual tastes. If we could all just do that, what a comunity would have! One where CONSTRUCTIVE critisisms could be given to HTC in a civilized manner and they could in turn focus on the betterment of an already phenominal simming experience bringing this, our beloved shared passtime to new and greater hights. So in closing, friends let us consider that differences of oppinion will forever exsist, but let us not let it divide the comunity ;instead, let it deepen our appreciaton of individualiy and the vastness of our virtual AHII word.
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Originally posted by WMLute
Do you even PLAY aces high?
Yup. My in-game name is WalrusB. I was iWalrus a couple of years ago before taking a long break.
Define "winning" then. Is you and a hoard of others dying over and over in vast numbers to take a base winning? Are the dozens of deaths you suffer trying to pork that ord, or kill that vh winning?
I take it you missed the point of my post.
Winning itself has no value. It is simply represents that you have outplayed your opponent(s). That's why people play most games; it is a challenge, which they enjoy. Whether that is bombing a base before getting shot down, taking supplies to your wounded buddy, or winning a dogfight. If winning were the only thing people wanted, they would all play my new game, Put the Spoon in a Cup.
Granted, I also dig a well defended base capture. I LOVE it when we are at a number disadvantage and still manage to capture that field. I also love defending against vast hoards of lemmings and preventing the field from being took. I take special pride in a well timed and executed base capture. I do take enjoyment from all these things, and hopefully always will.
When succussful, would you say you enjoyed the fact the fact that you bested your opponents? That you won the battle and took the base or were able to keep them from taking yours? When unsuccessful, did you feel like you "lost"?
Anyway, we're arguing apples and oranges here. You're talking about an aspect of the game that you enjoy, and I'm talking about the fact that there are many aspects of the the game that many people enjoy. The point of the game is not to dogfight. The point of the game is not to win. The point is to enjoy it.
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WOW, I type something intellegent and profound, and it gets ignored. :confused: Maby I need to just revert to mindless drivel. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by iWalrus
Yup. My in-game name is WalrusB. I was iWalrus a couple of years ago before taking a long break.
I take it you missed the point of my post.
Winning itself has no value. It is simply represents that you have outplayed your opponent(s). That's why people play most games; it is a challenge, which they enjoy. Whether that is bombing a base before getting shot down, taking supplies to your wounded buddy, or winning a dogfight. If winning were the only thing people wanted, they would all play my new game, Put the Spoon in a Cup.
When succussful, would you say you enjoyed the fact the fact that you bested your opponents? That you won the battle and took the base or were able to keep them from taking yours? When unsuccessful, did you feel like you "lost"?
Anyway, we're arguing apples and oranges here. You're talking about an aspect of the game that you enjoy, and I'm talking about the fact that there are many aspects of the the game that many people enjoy. The point of the game is not to dogfight. The point of the game is not to win. The point is to enjoy it.
One important point to make. I never once called anybody a dweeb, or tried to tell them how to play. All my posts have been about what the point of AH is. What makes it special. I never said if you don't think Aerial Combat is important you are wrong. I WILL say that if you don't think Aerial Combat in Aces High is important you mght be in the wrong game.
Also it should be noted that I stated that all the diff. facets of the game I enjoy. My list pretty much covers most all aspects of Aces High. So I agree with the land grabbers that base captures can be fun. I enjoy porking strat to prevent a capture/attack. I enjoy GV'n (but I do not really have the patients for spawn camping) and a good JABO run. I even enjoy doing re-supply of bases. I love Special Events. I also love a good dogfight.
By learning Aerial Combat, all of these facets (save the ground pounding) are made easier so to speak. What I guess I am TRYING to say is that if people would put more focus on Aerial Combat, which is the point of this game, all the other parts of the game are then improved. When you just focus on winning the war, learning Aerial Combat becomes secondary, and you end up with an arena where 99% of the planes Ho 'n Run and have no clue how to fight.
Tonight in a big furball in LWBlue, I would search the furball for the La7's who were just flying about Face Shooting everything they saw. I would position myself (i'm in a much slower plane) to be on their six, and they had no clue WHAT to do. It saddens me all the pilots that when you take away the Head On they have no clue what so ever what they should be doing.
By moving the focus of the game back towards Aerial Combat, everybody is happy. I'm not saying don't land grab. I never said base taking was bad. Never did, never will. I AM saying the we need to start trying to shift the focus of the masses in the game back to aerial combat.
1boner, you almost don't merit a reply, but I will say this. Wouldn't you enjoy AH a bit more if you were able to get more than one'ish kill a sortie? Do you not think your fun would be improved if you took the time to learn how to shoot down a couple more planes a sortie? Wouldn't a base capture be easier if you were able to kill 3-4 defenders vs. the one (ish)?
Do y'all not see how all aspects of the game are imroved by learning how to fight?
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all these ideas would lead to is increased whining :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by WMLute
One important point to make. I never once called anybody a dweeb, or tried to tell them how to play. All my posts have been about what the point of AH is. What makes it special. I never said if you don't think Aerial Combat is important you are wrong. I WILL say that if you don't think Aerial Combat in Aces High is important you mght be in the wrong game.
Also it should be noted that I stated that all the diff. facets of the game I enjoy. My list pretty much covers most all aspects of Aces High. So I agree with the land grabbers that base captures can be fun. I enjoy porking strat to prevent a capture/attack. I enjoy GV'n (but I do not really have the patients for spawn camping) and a good JABO run. I even enjoy doing re-supply of bases. I love Special Events. I also love a good dogfight.
By learning Aerial Combat, all of these facets (save the ground pounding) are made easier so to speak. What I guess I am TRYING to say is that if people would put more focus on Aerial Combat, which is the point of this game, all the other parts of the game are then improved. When you just focus on winning the war, learning Aerial Combat becomes secondary, and you end up with an arena where 99% of the planes Ho 'n Run and have no clue how to fight.
Tonight in a big furball in LWBlue, I would search the furball for the La7's who were just flying about Face Shooting everything they saw. I would position myself (i'm in a much slower plane) to be on their six, and they had no clue WHAT to do. It saddens me all the pilots that when you take away the Head On they have no clue what so ever what they should be doing.
By moving the focus of the game back towards Aerial Combat, everybody is happy. I'm not saying don't land grab. I never said base taking was bad. Never did, never will. I AM saying the we need to start trying to shift the focus of the masses in the game back to aerial combat.
1boner, you almost don't merit a reply, but I will say this. Wouldn't you enjoy AH a bit more if you were able to get more than one'ish kill a sortie? Do you not think your fun would be improved if you took the time to learn how to shoot down a couple more planes a sortie? Wouldn't a base capture be easier if you were able to kill 3-4 defenders vs. the one (ish)?
Do y'all not see how all aspects of the game are imroved by learning how to fight?
Naw man, I agree with you. I think that if more people would learn to do more thatn HO, Ram, and Run this would facilitate better quality fights and by doing so would only enhance all aspects of the game.
:D
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Originally posted by DaddyAck
WOW, I type something intellegent and profound, and it gets ignored. :confused: Maby I need to just revert to mindless drivel. :rolleyes:
I thought it was very well put, a bit longer then the avg AH"ER has attention span to read but very well put.
Try and keep your replys under 50 words.
Try not to use words with multiple meanings.
Don't use any word with more then 9 letters
Make one point at a time and separate these points in their own paragraphs
Stay on message,very important, this is exactly how George Bush got elected again.
If you ever reply to a posting that you don't understand, just deflect and insult, deflect and insult.
Keep up the great work and keep the insights coming.:aok :aok