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General Forums => Custom Skins => Topic started by: Nr_RaVeN on April 01, 2006, 10:38:58 PM
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Here is Your G14 ....KILLINU....:)
Still have a bit more on it but I'm almost there...
I have a Slide show feature Link To save bandwith on the forum.
ITS REALLY SIMPLE ONCE YOU GET THERE CLICK THE"SLIDE SHOW TAB"
Its amazing how many people cant figure it out...If there is alot of traffic you may need to refresh the page.
Feedback always welcome.
LOTS MORE SCREENS
SLIDE SHOW LINK HERE (http://chris.photosite.com/)
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-8/809754/hrt6.jpg)
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-8/809754/hrt9.jpg)
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-8/809754/hrtgear10.jpg)
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woooooHoooooo!!! looks good Rave... many thanks. gonna be hard to get back in 38 once this in game. :aok
gotta admit tho, that man needed one of his skins in game.
thanks again.
~S~
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I like the skin and the weathering, but I'm not sold on the way you did the major panel lines. Example: The tulip petals and the chevrons. The panel lines "white out" the black. I don't think I buy this, per se. I'd think a color distortion or a shadow or something would be more realistic than no paint at all.
All in all, that's a minor quibble on a good-looking skin.
Well, that and the ever-subjective rivet clarity :)
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yea I was going back and forth about that too.
I was trying to get the oxidized white paint look and having it running on the black and getting trapped in the groove. Its seen alot on white AC skins.
Were the white runs on the dark color and leaves a stain.
I think Ill soften it a bit. ty for input
I forgot the first aid cross too I just saw.
as for the rivets well no mater what I do someone will Quack just like you say :)
im just trying my 10000000 rivet experiment ;)
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Well if you don't mind minor suggestions:
The spring flap for the foot step just past the wing root is too low. Move it up. It's wrapping around underneath due to the way it stretches.
There is a type of vent or something under the side-front panes of the forward canopy, it needs to be moved down (just a couple of pixels) as it's running into the glass.
The ribs on the rudder aren't exactly panel lines. They wouldn't be so dark. But then I can only see them from one angle. This would be more of a paint-wearing-off look, rather than a make-the-panellines-visible look.
I hope we get a lot of cool 109 skins soon. Using the same few is getting old in-game :)
EDIT:
Around the H-stabs there is a rectangular outline. It should be relatively centered around the stabs themselves (it is part of the stabs, not part of the tail), needs to be moved down about 5 pixels or more (it's too high).
EDIT2: Just a question. Was he using his aircraft in the ground attack role? I thought he was primarily a fighter? I honestly don't know, but I noticed the yellow chevron. If so, cool! Ya always learn something new every day!
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raven, it's beautiful!!!!:O
when are you coming back to AH? havent seen you in AGES. would really love you to ddo some skins for planes other than the 109's, i really love the way you do them, dirty and bold. need more skins like yours!
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Ty Kusty there are a few more little tweaks also. Under the A C I need to line up and center also.Those are the little punch list thingy's you know the drill. I have about 9-10 minor details on my punch list yet to do all small but time consuming.... move check move again :rolleyes:
as far as role of that AC not sure I only had a few pics to work from the yellow was on them. Ill have to dig a bit deeper in some books that I have and see what I can find out hate to answer w/o being 100%.
HI POOFACE!
...,Thanks...Its almost done.
Ill be up soon. wife's been on my six about "FAMILY TIME" and we had some life crap to deal with also.
Now the new problem is my box.
Computer problems ATM. seems I need a new power supply. I thought it was my graphics card so I got a new ATI 1900 512mg but alas that wasn't the problem. Turns out it's the power supply. MY mobo overheats so the whole thing shuts down in mid fight arrrrg..... very frustrating especially with that new card that I cant use to its full potential yet. what a tease:(
As for other skins yes... I will try my hand at some other stuff
any requests poo??
I just wanted to learn the nuances of the 109s in this sim as its my fave bird.
I will do some P40's jugs spits FW's and niks I think. Time is a factor :D
I've been building a web site too for my il2 sturmovik skins perhaps you saw a few on that slide show page I have. lots and lots of those skins just starting to put them up also.
Seems all I can do is skin these days I need to shoot something.....like right now.. Oh boy I wrote a book.
I do go on...
~S~ RaVe
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:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
any time dude, just come find me...
actually, check you PM's, ill send you one now, need to talk:aok
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Raven dam !
No words left :aok
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Nr_RaVeN said:
yea I was going back and forth about that too.
I was trying to get the oxidized white paint look and having it running on the black and getting trapped in the groove. Its seen alot on white AC skins.
Were the white runs on the dark color and leaves a stain.
My heretical view :D...
I like how the panel line saws into the nose tulip pattern, which IMHO is quite realistic. After all, those lines are joints between removeable panels, which often didn't fit that well on 109s, especially late in the war. OTOH, I think where the line crosses the double chevron is perhaps too obvious, because that was a line between 2 fixed panels that were never intended to be separated.
Normally, where fixed panels meet, there's only a tiny gap between them, which is filled with sealant to be essentially flush with the surrounding skin, and this sealant is then painted over. Hence, lines of this sort are usually very hard to see. In any case, because of the sealant, there wasn't usually any sort of channel for hastily applied paint to run down and streak like you're talking about above.
By "wasn't usually", I mean that the sealant was (and is) a universal standard feature in all countries both to enhance aerodynamics and to protect the plane from corrosion. The only real exceptions to its use were early- to mid-war Russian planes, where relocated and very new factory managers often skimped on the sealant against orders, in the interests of making production quotas, and eventually found themselves up against a wall for it. Also, the odd very late-war German plane sometimes lacked the sealant due to either shortages, haste, or both. But except for this, the safe money is on assuming it was there. But this is a relatively late-war German, so going without the sealant might be OK. Still looks kinda strange IMHO, however.
That said, this is also a Messerschmitt product, the fuselages of which were unusual. The reason for the narrow, vertical bands of skin panels was that the skin formed part of the internal structure. Instead of having separate frames or bulkheads down the fuselage interior as on most other planes, the edges of every other skin panel were joggled to the inside twice. The 1st joggle was small and created a shelf to which the edges of the adjacent panels were riveted, so as to be flush with the unjoggled part of the panel. The 2nd joggle was bigger and bent the actual edge of panel well into the fuselage interior, forming a transverse stiffening ring. This is why, instead of having a row of rivets along each side of the vertical panel lines, the pattern is line, rivet row, rivet row, line, line, rivet row, rivet row, line, repeat.
Joggles such as this always result in wider gaps than the standard butt joint between the edges of 2 adjacent skin panels resting atop the flange of some internal structural member. Thus, even with sealant, the vertical panel lines on rear fuselages of almost all Messerschmitt planes (including 109s) were somewhat more visible than the fixed panel lines elsewhere on the same plane (such as on the wing). So if you're assuming a lack of sealant, having the panel lines really saw across the chevrons as in the pic is OK. I'd change the color, though, at least in part. I just can't see the paint being so thin as to run down the full width of the chevron. Maybe just a few inches down from the top at most. OTOH, if the chevrons got painted over the white, then there'd be no run effect at all.
as for the rivets well no mater what I do someone will Quack just like you say :) im just trying my 10000000 rivet experiment ;)
Most late-war German planes had much more prominent flush rivets than earlier Germans or anybody else. Although I've never seen this in writing, from looking at photos it appears that towards the end of the war, the Germans switched from countersinking the holes for flush rivets to dimpling them. This is a much faster but also much sloppier method, causing actual skin deformation for a noticeable distance around the rivet head, which itself doesn't sit quite flush within this deformed area. Thus, late-war Germans are one of the few instances in which I add shading to regular rivets. So I'm cool with how your rivets look on this plane.
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Thanks for the Input all....
The more info and eyeballs, the better.:)
Its always appreciated :aok
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i dont like axis planes but thats freakin nice looking. I hope i can learn to do skins like that. Thats a sexy machine
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:O RAVEN, great job as always.Lots of clarity in the skins you do,and it's the fineite details that make it look great.Nice work on coloring up the landing struts as well.:aok
I so glad to see some more 109 skins ,I dont know if I should run around the yard ,shooting a shotgun up in the air,or just sit down and :cry
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I just asked krusty in another thread too make this skin how Ironic.
Question though,he flew a lot of different aircraft all painted the same way.
Will you make this skin for all the G model 109's?
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He didn't have them all the same, though.
Here's a non-winter example with tulips:
http://www.ah-skins.com/skins/screenshot50.jpg
Here's a non-winter example without tulips:
http://www.ah-skins.com/skins/screenshot63.jpg
These are both from the old models, before the 2.06 patch that revamped the 109 graphics. They are both on AH-skins.com.
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He only flew the white G14 very briefly while flying in Hungary in the winter of 1944-45.
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Real good lookin!
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Nraven, you ever get this submitted? has anyone even seen nvraven around?
It needs in.:(
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I have neither seen Nr or gotten a response from him via e-mail since April.
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I was wondering what happened to him. Nothing bad, I hope.
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I know his wife had health problems last winter, but the last I heard before I lost contact with him was that she was doing better.
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I gotta say, thats a DAMN fine looking skin... While you can argue for DAYS about how some panel butts up to some other panel and no one will ever be happy the really important thing is what will it look like when its 200 off your tail, and what will it look like crossing your gunsite at 200.
The here's and theres of panel lines are less important in that context.
I think this is one of the best looking 'hi res' skins I've seen on anything in AH...
Even if the panel lines are a little wide. :noid