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Title: Whats up with the .50's
Post by: bkbandit on April 01, 2006, 11:43:21 PM
I think the 50 cals are too weak. I spray zeros from wing tip to wing tip and they keep going.....WHAT THE F**K? I watch the ww2 gun cams from hellcats and mustangs and those 50 cals were bad news for anything it was pointed at. Also i heard from other guys that the 50s in aces high one were stronger by far. Also they had incedairy and armor piercing rounds.....and thats what i want.  Those ap shells and incedairys destoryed boats, trains and houses aswell as enemy fighters.  All you other guys that fly f4u's,f6f's,51's or anything with those 50s i know you support me. Let aces high know what we want.
Title: Whats up with the .50's
Post by: Tails on April 02, 2006, 12:29:02 AM
50's work and work well, when in their element.

For one, you need convergence. More guns hitting the same spot results in more broken stuff created.

Two, you need time. While 50's did have API rounds, most of what they spat out was slugs, which dont go boom. So on order to do damage you need to dump lead into a spot until something breaks.

And three, you need to concentrate your fire on a smaller area. In your post, you said that you sprayed a zeke from wing to wing. What you likely did was put a bunch of holes in the skin, but since you did not concentrate your fire, nothing critical was shredded.
Title: Whats up with the .50's
Post by: viper215 on April 02, 2006, 12:59:48 AM
LEARN TO AIM?
Title: Whats up with the .50's
Post by: Tails on April 02, 2006, 01:00:58 AM
Well, yeah, aim does help as well. I figured I wouldn't state the obvious, though :D
Title: Whats up with the .50's
Post by: bkbandit on April 02, 2006, 01:02:35 AM
when i made those hits on the zero my coverages where set 300 275 250 he was between 200 and 400 and i sprayed him from his left wing tip straight across the cockpit to the right tip and i didnt even wound him. Even the guy in the zero told me that should have killed him.
Title: Whats up with the .50's
Post by: RAIDER14 on April 02, 2006, 01:02:55 AM
.50 cals work fine you just have to aim at the right place on the plane and set your convergence
Title: Whats up with the .50's
Post by: Tails on April 02, 2006, 01:07:02 AM
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Originally posted by bkbandit
when i made those hits on the zero my coverages where set 300 275 250 he was between 200 and 400 and i sprayed him from his left wing tip straight across the cockpit to the right tip and i didnt even wound him. Even the guy in the zero told me that should have killed him.


Again, spraying from side to side, rather than focussing on one part of the aircraft, will not result in a kill. Just alot of torn up skin.

Train your guns on one spot on your target (I prefer center mass, always something important there) and fire until something bad happens to your target.
Title: Whats up with the .50's
Post by: nirvana on April 02, 2006, 01:07:19 AM
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Originally posted by viper215
LEARN TO AIM?



:rofl OMG :rofl
Title: Whats up with the .50's
Post by: bkbandit on April 02, 2006, 01:58:21 AM
So y r other guys saying that they where better in ah 1?
Title: Whats up with the .50's
Post by: 38ruk on April 02, 2006, 03:07:16 AM
Do i smell bait ummmm :rolleyes:
Title: Whats up with the .50's
Post by: Tails on April 02, 2006, 04:06:43 AM
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Originally posted by bkbandit
So y r other guys saying that they where better in ah 1?


If memory serves correctly, AH1 used a hitbox, where as AH2 bases hits more on model geometry. That may contribute something to it.

Of course, it could also be a placebo effect.

Ok, thats enough out of me for the next 8 hours. ZZZzzzzzZZzZzzzzz
Title: Whats up with the .50's
Post by: SAS_KID on April 02, 2006, 04:08:07 AM
dude what arena were u in?
Title: Whats up with the .50's
Post by: B@tfinkV on April 02, 2006, 07:24:02 AM
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Originally posted by 38ruk
Do i smell bait ummmm :rolleyes:



'bk'bandit, seems likely :)
Title: Whats up with the .50's
Post by: SlapShot on April 02, 2006, 09:48:53 AM
If memory serves correctly, AH1 used a hitbox, where as AH2 bases hits more on model geometry.

AH I did not have a "hit box" and neither does AH II.
Title: Whats up with the .50's
Post by: Kweassa on April 02, 2006, 10:02:45 AM
Pyro said the "hit resolution" was more fined tuned with AH2 ... which a lot of people translate as, "near-misses were registering as hits in AH1".
Title: Whats up with the .50's
Post by: RTR on April 02, 2006, 10:09:57 AM
Why have you got your convergence set so far apart?

300, 275, 250.....from the low to the high, you have a difference of 300 ft in convergence points of your rounds!

I would say that only 1/3rd of your rounds have a chance of hitting, and at that probably only a small percentage of those are actually hitting the target.

Try setting all guns to the same convergence. I use 250 for all guns. I generally get in pretty close before pulling the trigger. Experiment with it to find your best convergence point.

Now, granted, my gunnery sucks. But when I do hit with the .50's I hit hard. Once you are lighting up the target, they are light frikk'n lazer beams.

cheers,

RTR
Title: Whats up with the .50's
Post by: Tails on April 02, 2006, 10:45:51 AM
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Originally posted by Kweassa
Pyro said the "hit resolution" was more fined tuned with AH2 ... which a lot of people translate as, "near-misses were registering as hits in AH1".


I stand corrected then.
Title: Whats up with the .50's
Post by: Spatula on April 02, 2006, 04:21:18 PM
I Fly P51s 90% of the time, and theres *nuthin* wrong with 50cals. If used right, they're BRUTAL - just take a P47 and point them at some poor schmuck... Even 4 50 cals can be quite effective. They key to using them is you have to *concentrate* them on a point. You cant just spray them all over the place. Aim for the tail section or a wing-root and get some concentrated and sustained hits in a single area (or any area really), and they WILL go down. Convergence is important too. I have mine all at 350 (which i suspect is still too far out by 25-50 or so).
Title: Whats up with the .50's
Post by: Kweassa on April 02, 2006, 04:58:41 PM
If there is one thing that can be benefitted with better modelling, my opinion is that the .50s would be strengthened a tad bit if we had truly 'internal' components in the Damage Modelling.

 We do have the engine, pilot, guns, and radiators... but it'd be great if these were more diversified such as oil pans, supercharger systems, throttle systems... internal control cables and rods.. spars and supports.. and etc etc..  

 If that be the case, the .50s would be lot less likely to snap and rip a wing or a tail section off... but instead they'd start a lot more fires, critical engine damages, severed controls, and etc etc..

 
 Just dreamin' :)
Title: Whats up with the .50's
Post by: viper215 on April 02, 2006, 06:35:05 PM
I would help you aim them in the Dueling arena today but I lost 2 262s today due to stupid DSL crashing so im pissed at game not playing today.:D
Title: Whats up with the .50's
Post by: groundloop on April 02, 2006, 08:52:38 PM
.50's like to reach out and touch someone better than all the rest of the aircraft weapons.
Title: Whats up with the .50's
Post by: viper215 on April 03, 2006, 02:53:34 PM
.50cals 30 good hits 37mm 1 derrrrrrr
Title: Whats up with the .50's
Post by: bkbandit on April 06, 2006, 02:51:18 PM
I dont noe wats goin on, i was just in peabodys solomons flyin a f6f and i was for better or worst gettin the results i except.  Maybe it was jelycross setting.

Anyway i still want my armor piercing rounds.
Title: Whats up with the .50's
Post by: viper215 on April 06, 2006, 07:48:28 PM
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Originally posted by bkbandit
noe Anyway i still want my armor piercing rounds.



KNOW
Title: Whats up with the .50's
Post by: nirvana on April 06, 2006, 11:49:20 PM
I would like a required spell check for Viper.  It's noe, you crazy kid.
Title: Whats up with the .50's
Post by: Sikboy on April 07, 2006, 10:50:52 AM
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Originally posted by bkbandit

Anyway i still want my armor piercing rounds.



Yeah, there's WAY too much HE in the .50 cal rounds right now. It's just silly.

-Sik
Title: Whats up with the .50's
Post by: Lye-El on April 07, 2006, 05:48:27 PM
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Originally posted by Sikboy
Yeah, there's WAY too much HE in the .50 cal rounds right now. It's just silly.

-Sik



Yes. It is. Using API instead of FMJ rounds, what were they thinking.....:D
Title: Whats up with the .50's
Post by: bkbandit on April 09, 2006, 04:26:26 AM
i dont get it, i was gunin on a lone b17, a spit 16 dweeb cut under the bomber from the right side, i riped his wing off with the ball turret in the belly, iwsa doin the somethin in a m16. Arent all of  these the us standard 50 cal machine gun. But i chased a spit 16 after and gave him a shower before he deaded.  MAYBE IM LOSEING IT.

HTC give me my incidairys and armor pierceing rounds, that will fix things.
Little things like that make thing more fun, like if they were to hook no2 in the 109(which they did have).
Title: Whats up with the .50's
Post by: DiabloTX on April 09, 2006, 04:45:05 AM
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Originally posted by bkbandit
like if they were to hook no2 in the 109(which they did have).


Oh man, yeah, they hated that bright blue bottle that Herr Willy shoe-horned it into the cockpit.  Hartmann especially *****ed about it.  Said it got in the way of the xbox and cd-changer he had put in.
Title: Whats up with the .50's
Post by: bkbandit on April 09, 2006, 05:49:14 AM
look it up, 109s had nitrous injection.
Title: Whats up with the .50's
Post by: F4UDOA on April 09, 2006, 08:59:08 AM
There is a disparity between MG and cannon in AH that did not exist in WW2.

Just look at the top fighters in AH and ask why they are what they are. Is the F4U-1C three times as good as the F4U-1D? I don't think so. Is the quad 20MM as good in real life as is in AH?

There is simply a gap between the types that I cannot explain. The 20Mil was probably the best air of air weapon of the war but nowhere near what we see in here.

Don't you don't believe me just imagine what the F6F-5 would be in AH with 20mil and 50cal. It would OWN the MA in 1 tour.
Title: Whats up with the .50's
Post by: frank3 on April 09, 2006, 12:23:15 PM
Im surprised Tony hasn't joined yet :)
Title: Whats up with the .50's
Post by: SAS_KID on April 09, 2006, 01:16:23 PM
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Originally posted by bkbandit
like if they were to hook no2 in the 109(which they did have).




Dude I doubt it is a nice lil bottle of no2 man we could a 3 fast 3 furious goin on here:lol  I bet that was their wep considering they only had a limited amount and couldn't regain it until they put more in.
Title: Whats up with the .50's
Post by: Lye-El on April 09, 2006, 05:34:15 PM
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Originally posted by bkbandit


HTC give me my incidairys and armor pierceing rounds, that will fix things.
Little things like that make thing more fun, like if they were to hook no2 in the 109(which they did have).



Quote
Yes. It is. Using API instead of FMJ rounds, what were they thinking.....



.50 caliber API = .50 caliber Armor Piercing Incendiary are used in AH now.
Title: Whats up with the .50's
Post by: nirvana on April 09, 2006, 09:49:54 PM
:lol Your 109's have nitrous injection, hit P and BANG! You got some nitrous flowing into the cylinders.  Seriously thiugh, why do YOU only get the armor piercing and incendiary bullets?  That's not fair.  I request a Sherman with flame thrower.  And an F15.
Title: Whats up with the .50's
Post by: SAS_KID on April 10, 2006, 12:06:54 AM
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Originally posted by nirvana
:lol Your 109's have nitrous injection, hit P and BANG! You got some nitrous flowing into the cylinders.  Seriously thiugh, why do YOU only get the armor piercing and incendiary bullets?  That's not fair.  I request a Sherman with flame thrower.  And an F15.




:rofl :rofl :rofl NOS:rofl :rofl :rofl  bwahahaha you get ur lil sterring wheel added and push the big red button BAM! your as fast as a 262 with Blue flame coming out of your exaust!!!! Hehehe. It isn't fair we need that French Tank that had a flamethrower or better yet a BRITISH CRUSADER TANK! And 40 40 mike mike strikes (Artillary)!!!