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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: cav58d on April 02, 2006, 07:59:35 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o762HKxYMeA&eurl=
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I think Green Day's "American Idiot" says it all...It doesn't name names just a great rock protest song....These guys yawn zzz.
I don't think Bobby D ever mentioned a politician in anything he ever wrote.
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I thought it was a pretty cool tune.
anyone else catch the guitar riff going "Nyaa nyaa nyaa nyaa nyaaaa nyaa"
LMAO
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I like that video :) I'm so sick and tired of everybody protesting this war.
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I like it too...I thought it was very refreshing to my conservative mind
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I must admit, Dumbya has been right a lot;
"I'm the master of low expectations."-Aboard Air Force One, June 4, 2003
"There may be some tough times here in America. But this country has gone through tough times before, and we're going to do it again."
"I think we are welcomed. But it was not a peaceful welcome."-Philadelphia, Dec. 12, 2005, on the reception of American forces in Iraq
"See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda."-Greece, N.Y., May 24, 2005
"This notion that the United States is getting ready to attack Iran is simply ridiculous. And having said that, all options are on the table."-Brussels, Belgium, Feb. 22, 2005
"I know what I believe. I will continue to articulate what I believe and what I believe I believe what I believe is right."-Rome, July 22, 2001
"I think if you know what you believe, it makes it a lot easier to answer questions. I can't answer your question."
"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."-Washington, D.C., Aug. 5, 2004
"There's no question that the minute I got elected, the storm clouds on the horizon were getting nearly directly overhead."-Washington, D.C., May 11, 2001
"The recession started upon my arrival. It could have been some say February, some say March, some speculate maybe earlier it started but nevertheless, it happened as we showed up here. The attacks on our country affected our economy. Corporate scandals affected the confidence of people and therefore affected the economy. My decision on Iraq, this kind of march to war, affected the economy."-Meet the Press, Feb. 8, 2004
"This foreign policy stuff is a little frustrating."-as quoted by the New York Daily News, April 23, 2002
"I'd rather have them sacrificing on behalf of our nation than, you know, endless hours of testimony on congressional hill."-National Security Agency, Fort Meade, Maryland, June 4, 2002
"Redefining the role of the United States from enablers to keep the peace to enablers to keep the peace from peacekeepers is going to be an assignment."-Interview with the New York Times, Jan. 14, 2001
"It is clear our nation is reliant upon big foreign oil. More and more of our imports come from overseas."
"We don't believe in planners and deciders making the decisions on behalf of Americans."
"Well, I think if you say you're going to do something and don't do it, that's trustworthiness."
"I think anybody who doesn't think I'm smart enough to handle the job is underestimating."
"It's clearly a budget. It's got a lot of numbers in it."
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my goodness, it is really gonna PO alot of you when history labels GWB jr one of the greatest POTUS ever :)
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Originally posted by Eagler
my goodness, it is really gonna PO alot of you when history labels GWB jr one of the greatest POS ever :)
fixed. Fo sho..
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Reading those quotes, I'd say he makes Jean Claude Van Damme look smart.
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I love how the masses of men who would be brain fried if they ever had to change a flat tire, or better yet read something beyond a newspaper/magazine, can call a Ivy League Grad, Former Officer/Fighter Pilot and present day President of the US an idiot...Maybe President Bush isn't the best speaker, and i'll admit, maybe he has been given more opportunity than the average person...But with his given opportunity you can only take the free ride so far...You can walk a man to the door but he is the one to walk through it...
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that is the stupidest song ever. rock was not ment to tell people that "The Man" is right, that is country music's scene.
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i know i think GWB is doing a GREAT job just think would you rather have the war in iraq or would you rather have it in the USA take your pick.
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Yeah, really. We could have elected some moron that would have attempted to do something stupid like try to turn US port security over to a middle eastern nation or raise the national debt to $30,000 per man, woman and child.
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Blame everything on Bush...right, lets just forget the Congress the Congress that votes all of the legislation into law...
Unless its Presidential Executive Order, nothing is a single man's decision
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Originally posted by rpm
Yeah, really. We could have elected some moron that would have attempted to do something stupid like try to turn US port security over to a middle eastern nation or raise the national debt to $30,000 per man, woman and child.
We should set it to $45k per woman & child
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Originally posted by rpm
Yeah, really. We could have elected some moron that would have attempted to do something stupid like try to turn US port security over to a middle eastern nation or raise the national debt to $30,000 per man, woman and child.
I've been hearing complaints about the national debt for years and years and through a bunch of presidents from both parties now.
Curious.
How exactly has the national debt effected you?
For all the complaining Ive heard from both sides of the isle.
I've yet to hear one person explain how it has effected them personally. Cept to complain about it.
And before anyone says it. The projected surplus near the end of the Clinton Administration was only that. A projected surplus. It didnt bring the national debt down to zero. Primarily because they wanted to spend it on things other then the debt.
Also "projected" was a surplus of 150 Billion over the next 5 years.
But the reality is it didnt exactly happen that way.
Recessions have a way of screwing things up
As usual whenever Clinton, or really any other politician was involved. What you see isnt always what you get.
But please. Someone explain to me how the national Debt has personally effected their lives?
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If he would shrink the government and cut taxes some more then he would be one of the greatest presidents of modern times... course... how hard would that be?
lazs
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Originally posted by cav58d
Blame everything on Bush...right, lets just forget the Congress the Congress that votes all of the legislation into law...
Unless its Presidential Executive Order, nothing is a single man's decision
Congress authorised illegal phone tapping? I don't think so...that was GWB stepping all over your constitutional rights.
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According to the white house the wire taping approval was not an EO. It is the farthest thing from stepping on my Constitutional Rights! It is my commander and chief living up to his responsibility to protect Americans from any enemy threat, domestic or abroad.
There was 30 some odd instances of this un-warranted wire tapping, all done from telephone calls from high risk area's INTO the United States. I expect my goverment and ALL of its intelligence gathering agencies to be doing this on a daily basis to prevent another decleration of war on my home soil.
You American liberals are so worked up over this that you fail to realize all the NSA is doing is protecting you. I think it is a slap in the face and an insult to all of the highly trained intel officers at all of our government agencies to blame them on spying on your personal life for personal reasons. These men and women in charge of intercepting phone calls, and interpeting malicous rhetoric and data are the most highly trained professionals in the field. Yes, they have an agenda. To intercept intelligence to thrwart another attack on the homeland. Anything else is rubbish. We live in a post 9-11 America. The world has changed. Although these intelligence officers may not be facing actual combat, they still are on the front lines in fighting the war on terrorism. How dare you throw out such degrading, trivial accusations. They dont care about your weekend plans. They dont care about whats for diner. They have been trained to sipher through these calls and interpret what is dangerous rhetoric, and what is benign chat. Not only would the heads of the agencys crack down on this if there ever was a case of this, but im confident none of the officers would have such low morals, and risk jeopordizing the United States because they got bored and wasted time listening to idle chatter.
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Originally posted by Curval
Congress authorised illegal phone tapping? I don't think so...that was GWB stepping all over your constitutional rights.
Monitoring overseas phones calls from an Arab country is not stepping on my constitutional rights, I prefer that incoming overseas phonecalls from known terrorist sponsoring countries be listened to, but its nice that your so concerned about my rights being from britain and all..
TJ
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lol
I'm not from Britain.
Whatever...you guys just keep living in your dream world.
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yea how considerate curval...I did not realize you were from Britain...Since you obviously dont understand how us Americans feel, especially us North Easterners about our protection and security, let me put it in terms you may be more familiar with...
I'll take the modern day Winston Churchill that we elected to office of a neville chamberlain ANYDAY!
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Originally posted by Curval
Congress authorised illegal phone tapping? I don't think so...that was GWB stepping all over your constitutional rights.
I haven't called any overseas terrorists lately so I do not have an issue with the "illegal" <-me don't think it is, tapping
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You seem to have a hard time reading. I'm not from Britain. I have British citizenship but do not live there.
Don't get all worked up. You posted a Bush Was Right song and expect everyone to jump in and have a big circle jerk? Get real.
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Originally posted by cav58d
According to the white house the wire taping approval was not an EO. It is the farthest thing from stepping on my Constitutional Rights! It is my commander and chief living up to his responsibility to protect Americans from any enemy threat, domestic or abroad.
So, it wasn't an EO and wasn't approved by Congress. Yet your qoute from earlier was:
"Unless its Presidential Executive Order, nothing is a single man's decision"
So, if it wasn't an EO, wasn't approved by Congress, it must have been as single man's decision.
You justify it by saying it is your Supreme Commander protecting you. LOL!
Great stuff.
:aok
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Originally posted by Curval
lol
I'm not from Britain.
Whatever...you guys just keep living in your dream world.
Yeah I imagined that whole day and wish it were a dream...
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Curval, you see most of the guys geographic skills match their political savvy.
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Islam is your friend.
Wasn't there a tube in London recently......
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cav58d wrote:
I love how the masses of men who would be brain fried if they ever had to change a flat tire, or better yet read something beyond a newspaper/magazine, can call a Ivy League Grad, Former Officer/Fighter Pilot and present day President of the US an idiot...Maybe President Bush isn't the best speaker, and i'll admit, maybe he has been given more opportunity than the average person...But with his given opportunity you can only take the free ride so far...You can walk a man to the door but he is the one to walk through it...
Yeah, the ignorant masses can't even construct a coherent sentence.
Bush was born on third base and thinks he hit a triple. And with any luck he'll get tagged out for trying to steal home.
It's amusing how the dimwitted look at the administration's complete and utter failures, before 9/11 and after, as a good thing.
I guess America will be perfect when gas is $10/gal, bin Laden rules the caliphate, and we're all getting cavity searched at the mall entrances.
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Originally posted by rpm
Yeah, really. We could have elected some moron that would have attempted to do something stupid like try to turn US port security over to a middle eastern nation or raise the national debt to $30,000 per man, woman and child.
referee calls foul, port security is and will be by the US coast guard and US customs.
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Tsk tsk, John. Hatemongering is not an occasion to confuse the issue with the facts. You'll get called a fascist.
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Originally posted by Curval
Congress authorised illegal phone tapping? I don't think so...that was GWB stepping all over your constitutional rights.
I think this will be an intersting SC case.
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Senator Feinstein: Now I want to clear something up. Judge Kornblum spoke about Congress's power to pass laws to allow the President to carry out domestic electronic surveillance, and we know that FISA is the exclusive means of so doing. Is such a law, that provides both the authority and the rules for carrying out that authority, are those rules then binding on the President?
Judge Kornblum: No President has ever agreed to that. ***
Senator Feinstein: What do you think as a Judge?
Judge Kornblum: I think--as a Magistrate Judge, not a District Judge, that a President would be remiss in exercising his Constitutional authority to say that, "I surrender all of my power to a statute," and, frankly, I doubt that Congress, in a statute, can take away the President's authority, not his inherent authority, but his necessary and proper authority.
Senator Feinstein: I would like to go down the line if I could. *** Judge Baker?
Judge Baker: No, I do not believe that a President would say that.
Senator Feinstein: No. I am talking about FISA, and is a President bound by the rules and regulations of FISA?
Judge Baker: If it is held constitutional and it is passed, I suppose, just like everyone else, he is under the law too. ***
Senator Feinstein: Judge?
Judge Stafford: Everyone is bound by the law, but I do not believe, with all due respect, that even an act of Congress can limit the President's power under the Necessary and Proper Clause under the Constitution. ***[B/]
Chairman Specter: I think the thrust of what you are saying is the President is bound by statute like everyone else unless it impinges on his constitutional authority, and a statute cannot take away the President's constitutional authority. Anybody disagree with that?
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z0rch it was sooo much better having the fat pantload. Who, let terrorist commit acts of war on this country.
Bronk
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Actually a very catchy song...
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Zorch...Maybe you can still get on the ticket for the upcoming Congressional elections? Please tell us your solutions, because all I see you do is point out liberal talking points without a a strategy to fix this so called problem.
You wanna talk about accomplishments? The economy is consistently on the rise. Unemployment has been at decade low's, the creation of the Department of Homeland Security, the Patriotic Act, the over throw of the genocidal jihadist taliban, whos state prior to 9/11 was the closest thing to your caliph, the over throw of sadaam, another genocidal dictator who used WMD's on his own people. How about the freedom, and the basic human rights we have granted to tens of millions? My favorite, the "justice" we have brought to thousands of men and women who would love nothing more than to murder you by any means possible because of the country you were born into. Is that enough accomplishments or shall we keep going?
You also seem to have a problem with OPEC. Is it President Bush's fault that the price to refine, market and deliver crude is hiked up so much by our Middle Eastern friends? if so why?
Your so concerned about gas prices? Besides argue over the internet, do you ever make an attempt to do something about it? Ever contact your Congressmen? Contribute to the research and developement of alternative fuels??
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cav58d wrote:
You wanna talk about accomplishments? The economy is consistently on the rise.
Based on what criteria? I don't see an economic boom. I see rising interest rates, increased debt and small businesses closing. Within a mile of my home, there are over a dozen empty stores where there were thriving businesses 5 years ago. Show some numbers to back up your claim.
Unemployment has been at decade low's
Bzzzt, wrong. Complete bu*****. Again, show some numbers. You do make a good case for the Illiterati Conspiracy though.
the over throw of sadaam, another genocidal dictator who used WMD's on his own people.
While the Reagan/Bush administration continued to sell him weapons, and Rumsfeld visited to kiss his oily ass.
How about the freedom, and the basic human rights we have granted to tens of millions?
How about the freedom and basic human rights Americans are losing in the process?
You also seem to have a problem with OPEC. Is it President Bush's fault that the price to refine, market and deliver crude is hiked up so much by our Middle Eastern friends?
http://www.usatoday.com/money/companies/2006-04-03-fortune-500_x.htm
NEW YORK — Skyrocketing energy prices propelled ExxonMobil (XOM) to the top of the 2006 Fortune 500 list
Oh, and [cough] Enron [/cough].
Besides argue over the internet, do you ever make an attempt to do something about it?
Yep, I sure have.
Ever contact your Congressmen?
Nope, he's a RepubliCon. I contacted my Senator. He not only called me back, he took action.
Contribute to the research and developement of alternative fuels?
Does eating Mexican food count?
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and you voted for who in 00 & 04?
do you think either one of them would/could have done better?
if so, how?
you are just sounding like another mad lib bush hater - please continue
LOL LOL LOL
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Eagler wrote:
and you voted for who in 00 & 04?
There was nobody to vote for, so I voted against Bush.
do you think either one of them would/could have done better?
I don't think anyone short of Stalin could do worse.
if so, how?
Oh, like actually doing something to prevent 9/11 for a start.
you are just sounding like another mad lib bush hater - please continue
Bush hater? You bet. Liberal, not really. Continue? Count on it.
LOL LOL LOL
Yup, I do think it's an Illiterati conspiracy.
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Originally posted by z0rch
if so, how?
Oh, like actually doing something to prevent 9/11 for a start.
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Once again Like the fat pantload did anything.
Multiple attacks and he did SQUAT.
If he had any sack and did something 9/11 most likely could have been avoided.
But since he hated the military, and didn't want to do anything that might hurt his public opinion. He sat on his hands and left a friggin mess for other people to clean up.
Bronk
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Both the number of unemployed persons, 7.2 million, and the unemployment
rate, 4.8 percent, were little changed in February. A year earlier, the num-
ber of unemployed was 8.0 million, and the jobless rate was 5.4 percent.
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm
Second paragraph. I hope lala land is fun, this real world is killing me.
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Originally posted by rpm
Yeah, really. We could have elected some moron that would have attempted to do something stupid like try to turn US port security over to a middle eastern nation...
Good thing W never advocated that. The Dubai deal was not going to turn over security.
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Originally posted by Eagler
my goodness, it is really gonna PO alot of you when history labels GWB jr one of the greatest POTUS ever :)
the end of history.
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Yawn.
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sometimes I feel like a leper but I just like old George........even though Im tired of him politicaly and bascially unimpressed with him overall as a president. I just like the guy :cry
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the best thing about Bush is that he doesn't rule by approval rating..
I would have thought that we all had enough of that kind of president allready.
lazs
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The only 2 things I don't like about him is 1)How he speaks 2)He let's liberals get away with lying to much.
#1 drives me nuts. He is probably the worst speaker I've ever seen and even if he is 100% right he still sounds bad.
#2 drives me nuts also. He hardly ever comes out and smacks the liberals when they stand up in front of the cameras (some daily) and say nothing but lies.
If he had the gift of gab like Slick Willy he would be the best president ever.
All in all I like him.
He may not be the best but he is far better than anything the Dems have.
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stupid question ...
Green day ?
or they just sound the same .
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Originally posted by z0rch
I see rising interest rates, increased debt and small businesses closing. Within a mile of my home, there are over a dozen empty stores where there were thriving businesses 5 years ago.
You're blaming the closing of VHS video rental stores and film processors on President Bush? :rofl
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I think he'd blame his hemroids on Bush if he thought someone would believe him :)
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Originally posted by Eagler
I think he'd blame his hemroids on Bush if he thought someone would believe him :)
What you missed that rant?
He even found a way to blame that C5 going down on bush, he is the most talented mindless hater we have had up here in some time.
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Originally posted by Curval
So, it wasn't an EO and wasn't approved by Congress. Yet your qoute from earlier was:
"Unless its Presidential Executive Order, nothing is a single man's decision"
So, if it wasn't an EO, wasn't approved by Congress, it must have been as single man's decision.
You justify it by saying it is your Supreme Commander protecting you. LOL!
Great stuff.
:aok
Curval, quit drinking the cool-aid. It will rot your brain.
So, tell me did these others guys break the law also?
B. Clinton: Did exactly the same thing. (Oh, and I guess killing 48 American Citizens was entirely LEGAL. where were the protests regarding these dead Americans. Never saw any marches for their benefit. I guess because they were Christians with guns it was OK.)
GHW Bush, R. Reagon, J. Carter: All used this procedure when they saw fit to use it.
What the media/leftist propagandists want you to believe is that this is some NEW kind of EVIL surveillance when in fact it is nothing more than any other president has done in the past.
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Clifra Jones wrote:
What the media/leftist propagandists want you to believe is that this is some NEW kind of EVIL surveillance when in fact it is nothing more than any other president has done in the past.
Where have I heard that defense before....
Oh yeah, 1973. Nixon.
Good luck with it.
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Originally posted by z0rch
Based on what criteria? I don't see an economic boom. I see rising interest rates, increased debt and small businesses closing. Within a mile of my home, there are over a dozen empty stores where there were thriving businesses 5 years ago. Show some numbers to back up your claim.
Then MOVE! Local economies are vastly controlled by LOCAL conditions not the federal government. That is the standard ploy by failed local leadership to get them off the hook. I lived with this for years in my former home in Western New York. Now that I live in a community with REAL leadership we have growth, jobs, high standard of living, good prospects for the future, an all around good life here. Do I credit GW for that? not really, we did this all on our own here for the most part.
Your local conditions are the responsibility of those you elect. If your not happy with them then VOTE THE BUMS OUT!
Unemployment has been at decade low's
Bzzzt, wrong. Complete bu*****. Again, show some numbers. You do make a good case for the Illiterati Conspiracy though.
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm
Read it and weep. These are the numbers. If it ain't happening where you are, see above.
the over throw of sadaam, another genocidal dictator who used WMD's on his own people.
While the Reagan/Bush administration continued to sell him weapons, and Rumsfeld visited to kiss his oily ass.
Enemy of my enemy. Read a little history instead of drinking the cool-aid. We sold tons of weapons to Stalin's stinkin' bellybutton when it was in our interest to do so.
How about the freedom, and the basic human rights we have granted to tens of millions?
How about the freedom and basic human rights Americans are losing in the process?
Name one you have lost! Name me one person who has been unjustly prosecuted? GIVE ME ONE REAL EXAMPLE!
You also seem to have a problem with OPEC. Is it President Bush's fault that the price to refine, market and deliver crude is hiked up so much by our Middle Eastern friends?
http://www.usatoday.com/money/companies/2006-04-03-fortune-500_x.htm
NEW YORK — Skyrocketing energy prices propelled ExxonMobil (XOM) to the top of the 2006 Fortune 500 list
When was the last time a government entity authorized the building of a new refinery? 1970's, When was the last Nuclear Power plant (clean pollution free power) built? 1970s. When was the last time someone tried to artificially effect the price of oil/gas? 1970's. The results were disastrous. I wish I could drag all you who are too young to know about those days through a time warp and drop you in 1978. They were not fun , they were not pretty, it was a very bad time in this country. Far worse than anything you can beotch about today.
FACT: Adjusted for inflation gasoline costs less today than it did in 1980.
1 Gal. Milk: $3.59, 1 Gal bottle water $2.08, 1 Gal Gas: $2.49.
When put into proper perspective GAS is not expensive!
BTW: who just a short 10 years ago was advocating a new $.50/gal. gas tax? Answer: Liberal Democrats. You see it's OK to have high gas prices if the money is going to the Government. It's not OK if it going into private business. You know those evil bad guys who HIRE people and pay wages!
Oh, and [cough] Enron [/cough].
When were these false filings with the SEC made? Hmmm, let's see. 1998,99? Now who was in office and charged with enforcing the law of the land? Hmmm, that would have been CLINTON. Seems to me that GW found the bad guys for who they were and wasn't gonna cover it up.
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Originally posted by z0rch
Clifra Jones wrote:
What the media/leftist propagandists want you to believe is that this is some NEW kind of EVIL surveillance when in fact it is nothing more than any other president has done in the past.
Where have I heard that defense before....
Oh yeah, 1973. Nixon.
Good luck with it.
WRONG! You see, much of what Nixon did wasn't illegal at that time. Some of it was. The SC ruled in 1972 on this exact issue, ruling against Nixon. When it was revealed what he was doing Congress made the wiretapping laws much more broad in scope to prevent that kind of abuse. The real difference is that Nixon was tapping Americans talking to Americans. Political opponents to be exact. Tell me who accuses GW of doing This?
It just amazes me how so many left leaning people are so historically IGNORANT!
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http://www.mikecaracciolo.com/movies/Soldiers.wmv
about a minute 30 second in, my sentiments exactly....This is an American
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Unemployment has been at decade low's
Bzzzt, wrong. Complete bu*****. Again, show some numbers. You do make a good case for the Illiterati Conspiracy though.
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm
Read it and weep. These are the numbers. If it ain't happening where you are, see above.
As the Fortunate Son (http://armorfirewall.com/zorch/fs.mp3) would say "There's a lot of numbers in it," but they don't make your case. Show me the part where it says "Unemployment has been at decade low's."
the over throw of sadaam, another genocidal dictator who used WMD's on his own people.
While the Reagan/Bush administration continued to sell him weapons, and Rumsfeld visited to kiss his oily ass.
Enemy of my enemy. Read a little history instead of drinking the cool-aid. We sold tons of weapons to Stalin's stinkin' bellybutton when it was in our interest to do so.
Ah yeah, that makes supporting genocide ok, because he was also spraying people we don't like.
How about the freedom, and the basic human rights we have granted to tens of millions?
How about the freedom and basic human rights Americans are losing in the process?
Name one you have lost! Name me one person who has been unjustly prosecuted? GIVE ME ONE REAL EXAMPLE!
U.S. Constitution: Fourth Amendment
Fourth Amendment - Search and Seizure
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
I wish I could drag all you who are too young to know about those days through a time warp and drop you in 1978. They were not fun , they were not pretty, it was a very bad time in this country. Far worse than anything you can beotch about today.
Revisionist history. I remember 1978 quite well, thank you, and it was far from "a very bad time in this country." The oil companies created a few artificial shortages to drive the prices up from $.55/gal to almost $1/gal.. But I always had enough gas to commute ~50 miles into the city to work, always had money in my pocket, and generally had a great time.
FACT: Adjusted for inflation gasoline costs less today than it did in 1980.
Ahh, so your point is that it's not yet as bad as it was when "it was a very bad time in this country.", or is your point that in 2 years, Carter had turned things around?
When put into proper perspective GAS is not expensive!
How's this for perspective; Gas now costs 200% of what it did before an oil man stole the Office of President?
Oh, and [cough] Enron [/cough].
When were these false filings with the SEC made? Hmmm, let's see. 1998,99?
Yep, when they were partying with their Boy George, and funding his fundies.
WRONG! You see, much of what Nixon did wasn't illegal at that time.
I almost hurt myself laughing at this one. "much of what Nixon did wasn't illegal", you gotta be kidding me. So Ford pardoned him for nothing? Is there a little red star on the cover of your history book?
It just amazes me how so many left leaning people are so historically IGNORANT!
Yes Comrade. We have not yet been properly programmed. Perhaps you can recommend a good camp for our re-education?
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This is almost cute...
Almost...
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That was among the worst songs I've ever heard. Fumbling, generic and just plain bad. To be fair, Green Day suck too.
Carry on with the pseudo-intellectual chest pounding.
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Originally posted by z0rch
1. Revisionist history. I remember 1978 quite well, thank you, and it was far from "a very bad time in this country." The oil companies created a few artificial shortages to drive the prices up from $.55/gal to almost $1/gal.. But I always had enough gas to commute ~50 miles into the city to work, always had money in my pocket, and generally had a great time.
2. How's this for perspective; Gas now costs 200% of what it did before an oil man stole the Office of President?
3. I almost hurt myself laughing at this one. "much of what Nixon did wasn't illegal", you gotta be kidding me. So Ford pardoned him for nothing? Is there a little red star on the cover of your history book?
1. in 1978, the misery index (inflation + unemployment) was 12.60 to 15.02% Today its 8.4% Good times, 1978....
2. You still mad about Benjamin Harrison too?
3. Just because somebody robs a bank doesn't mean he didn't signal when changing lanes. Much of what John Dillinger did was not illegal.
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Originally posted by cav58d
[url]about a minute 30 second in, my sentiments exactly....This is an American
lol
Was that the part where he says, "Right, wrong, I'm with this guy (the President)...he's right"
You do realise that he said right or WRONG the president is always right?
Classic!
:aok
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Originally posted by Clifra Jones
Curval, quit drinking the cool-aid. It will rot your brain.
So, tell me did these others guys break the law also?
B. Clinton: Did exactly the same thing. (Oh, and I guess killing 48 American Citizens was entirely LEGAL. where were the protests regarding these dead Americans. Never saw any marches for their benefit. I guess because they were Christians with guns it was OK.)
GHW Bush, R. Reagon, J. Carter: All used this procedure when they saw fit to use it.
What the media/leftist propagandists want you to believe is that this is some NEW kind of EVIL surveillance when in fact it is nothing more than any other president has done in the past.
Basically your whole argument is that if someone else has done it, it is okay.
Two wrongs make a right.
Gotcha.
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1. in 1978, the misery index (inflation + unemployment) was 12.60 to 15.02% Today its 8.4% Good times, 1978....
My employment was 100%. I was single. AIDS was unheard of. It was the 70s.. Ahh, the summer of '78 wasn't very miserable for me. ;)
2. You still mad about Benjamin Harrison too?
Since you brought him up:
Benjamin Harrison (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Harrison)
After beating John Sherman for the Republican presidential nomination, Harrison was elected President of the United States in 1888. In the Presidential election, Harrison received 100,000 fewer popular votes than incumbent President Grover Cleveland, but carried the Electoral College 233 to 168. Although Harrison had made no political bargains, his supporters had given innumerable pledges upon his behalf. When Boss Matthew Quay of Pennsylvania heard that Harrison ascribed his narrow victory to Providence, Quay exclaimed that Harrison would never know "how close a number of men were compelled to approach...the penitentiary to make him President."
3. Just because somebody robs a bank doesn't mean he didn't signal when changing lanes. Much of what John Dillinger did was not illegal.
Good point.
In that spirit, we could claim "Much of what Bush says is not untrue."
We may have found his legacy.
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did you have a point with that last post?
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Caustic little cuss aint he?
LMAO
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Originally posted by Curval
Basically your whole argument is that if someone else has done it, it is okay.
Two wrongs make a right.
Gotcha.
actually two wrong make it wrong right?
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I really can't believe that anyone is saying that 1978 was the good times....
nothing they say after that is worth taking seriously.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
I really can't believe that anyone is saying that 1978 was the good times....
nothing they say after that is worth taking seriously.
lazs
lol
yep gas prices jumpin almost 100% is a good thing
lol
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IN 78 the unemployment rate was only 7% and the fed rate was only 9% so wasnt the worst year of that decade.
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Originally posted by Eagler
lol
yep gas prices jumpin almost 100% is a good thing
lol
Having noted your sarcasm about rising gas prices:
If gas prices go up we are living in really bad times apparently.
In September 2003 oil was about $25 per barel.
The NYMEX quote for April 4, 2006 was $66.23 per barrel.
That is quite a bit more than a 100% increase.
Whatcha 'lol'ing at?
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that's oil
I do not think a gallon of gas has increased by the same percentage ...
"summer 2003 - national average of $1.51 a gallon"
... yet
and I am "loling" at z0rch and his rants..
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Average "gas" price in the US (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060403/ap_on_bi_ge/gasoline_prices_1)
This link says it is $2.58 currently.
Against your quote of $1.51 in September 2003 that makes it a 100% increase.
You say you are loling at zorch, but your lols appear to be related to gas prices rising 100%.
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I know I ain't a math wizard but that doesn't look like a 100% increase to me :)
1.07 != 1.51
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lazs2 wrote:
I really can't believe that anyone is saying that 1978 was the good times....
nothing they say after that is worth taking seriously.
All depends on your perspective. Was it a Bush style economy, where more wealth is concentrated in the richest 1%? Nope.
It was a good time socially. The country was putting the abominations of Nixon and Viet Nam behind us. Draft protesters were granted amnesty. Constitutional rights were being up-help by the higher courts. Pigs no longer had jack boots and blank checks.
The reasons inflation was high were twofold. Mainly, as always, the Bushies were jacking up gas prices. But wages were keeping pace. Regular middle class people were earning more. Increased wages contribute to inflation too. Are you against earning more?
Of course, this probably doesn't suit those who think freedom is the right to "shut the f-- up and do as you're told." I can understand why some of the whining "please throw away my rights to protect me from the boogeyman" crowd hated it.
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Originally posted by cav58d
According to the white house the wire taping approval was not an EO. It is the farthest thing from stepping on my Constitutional Rights! It is my commander and chief living up to his responsibility to protect Americans from any enemy threat, domestic or abroad.
There was 30 some odd instances of this un-warranted wire tapping, all done from telephone calls from high risk area's INTO the United States. I expect my goverment and ALL of its intelligence gathering agencies to be doing this on a daily basis to prevent another decleration of war on my home soil.
You American liberals are so worked up over this that you fail to realize all the NSA is doing is protecting you. I think it is a slap in the face and an insult to all of the highly trained intel officers at all of our government agencies to blame them on spying on your personal life for personal reasons. These men and women in charge of intercepting phone calls, and interpeting malicous rhetoric and data are the most highly trained professionals in the field. Yes, they have an agenda. To intercept intelligence to thrwart another attack on the homeland. Anything else is rubbish. We live in a post 9-11 America. The world has changed. Although these intelligence officers may not be facing actual combat, they still are on the front lines in fighting the war on terrorism. How dare you throw out such degrading, trivial accusations. They dont care about your weekend plans. They dont care about whats for diner. They have been trained to sipher through these calls and interpret what is dangerous rhetoric, and what is benign chat. Not only would the heads of the agencys crack down on this if there ever was a case of this, but im confident none of the officers would have such low morals, and risk jeopordizing the United States because they got bored and wasted time listening to idle chatter.
So...which AM station do you listen to most?
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"Average retail gasoline prices peaked at $3.07 a gallon last September."
1.51 * 2 = $3.02
In my rush to post I forgot to use the quote from the article.
Fact is though that is an average for a huge country. In many cases it is much higher, just depends on where you live. It was obviously lower in some.
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Some economic numbers and info. Just because the economy 5 miles from your house isn't doing well, doesn't mean the national economy is in the tank.
Series Id: lns14000000
Seasonal Adjusted
Series title: (Seas) Unemployment Rate
Labor force status: Unemployment rate
Type of data: Percent
Age: 16 years and over
Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
1996 5.6 5.5 5.5 5.6 5.6 5.3 5.5 5.1 5.2 5.2 5.4 5.4
1997 5.3 5.2 5.2 5.1 4.9 5.0 4.9 4.8 4.9 4.7 4.6 4.7
1998 4.6 4.6 4.7 4.3 4.4 4.5 4.5 4.5 4.6 4.5 4.4 4.4
1999 4.3 4.4 4.2 4.3 4.2 4.3 4.3 4.2 4.2 4.1 4.1 4.0
2000 4.0 4.1 4.0 3.8 4.0 4.0 4.0 4.1 3.9 3.9 3.9 3.9
2001 4.2 4.2 4.3 4.4 4.3 4.5 4.6 4.9 5.0 5.3 5.5 5.7
2002 5.7 5.7 5.7 5.9 5.8 5.8 5.8 5.7 5.7 5.7 5.9 6.0
2003 5.8 5.9 5.9 6.0 6.1 6.3 6.2 6.1 6.1 6.0 5.9 5.7
2004 5.7 5.6 5.7 5.5 5.6 5.6 5.5 5.4 5.4 5.4 5.4 5.4
2005 5.2 5.4 5.1 5.1 5.1 5.0 5.0 4.9 5.1 4.9 5.0 4.9
2006 4.7 4.8
Unemployment data from the U.S. DoL
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Monthly Labor Review Online
Related BLS programs | Related articles
ABSTRACT
March 2006, Vol. 129, No. 3
Payroll employment in 2005: recovery and expansion
Robert P. Stephens
Economist, Office of Employment and Unemployment Statistics, Bureau of Labor Statistics.
E-mail: stephens.robert@bls.gov
Brady M. Stephens
Economist, Office of Employment and Unemployment Statistics, Bureau of Labor Statistics.
David Langdon
Economist, Formerly in the BLS Office of Employment and Unemployment Statistics and currently in the Office of the Assistant Secretary for Policy, U.S. Department of Labor.
Employment grew by more than 2 million in 2005, reaching and then surpassing its prerecession peak. A strong housing market spurred hiring in construction and in finance and retail trade, while increased manufacturing production translated into more jobs in trucking, warehousing, and wholesale trade. Rising energy costs placed an added burden on consumers and businesses, holding back spending and, indirectly, employment growth; however, it had a positive impact on employment growth in mining, which easily outpaced most other industries in growth in 2005. Finally, the job openings rate remained flat in 2005 until the end of the third quarter, when it began to edge upwards.
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US service sector growth still strong
April 05, 2006 15:57
The services sector of the US economy showed strong growth in March, a survey by the Institute for Supply Management showed today.
The ISM non-manufacturing index rose to 60.5 from 60.1 in February, topping expectations for a figure of 59. Any figure above 50 indicates expansion, so the report suggested a robust pace of growth in services, which makes up the lion's share of US economic activity.
Among the component indexes, new orders rose to 59.5 from 56.2, while the employment index slipped to 54.6 from 58.2.
Inflation pressures eased. The price index fell to 60.5 from 64.8 in the previous month.
Ralph Kauffman, chair of the survey committee, noted that the index increased for the 36th consecutive month. 'While price increases are still a topic of concern for a number of members, they are not mentioned as often as in past months. The overall indication in March is continued economic growth in the non-manufacturing sector,' he said.
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The Bush Debate is so old I am not going there.
But this song is a blatant rip off of "We Didn't Start The Fire" from Billy Joel. LAME!
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Mighty1 wrote:
The only 2 things I don't like about him is 1)How he speaks 2)He let's liberals get away with lying to much.
Let's see whose credibility is lacking...
cav58d wrote:
Unemployment has been at decade low's
zorch wrote:
Bzzzt, wrong. Complete bu*****. Again, show some numbers. You do make a good case for the Illiterati Conspiracy though.
Clifra Jones wrote:
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm
Read it and weep. These are the numbers. If it ain't happening where you are, see above.
zorch wrote:
As the Fortunate Son would say "There's a lot of numbers in it," but they don't make your case. Show me the part where it says "Unemployment has been at decade low's."
NoBaddy wrote:
Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
1996 5.6 5.5 5.5 5.6 5.6 5.3 5.5 5.1 5.2 5.2 5.4 5.4
1997 5.3 5.2 5.2 5.1 4.9 5.0 4.9 4.8 4.9 4.7 4.6 4.7
1998 4.6 4.6 4.7 4.3 4.4 4.5 4.5 4.5 4.6 4.5 4.4 4.4
1999 4.3 4.4 4.2 4.3 4.2 4.3 4.3 4.2 4.2 4.1 4.1 4.0
2000 4.0 4.1 4.0 3.8 4.0 4.0 4.0 4.1 3.9 3.9 3.9 3.9
2001 4.2 4.2 4.3 4.4 4.3 4.5 4.6 4.9 5.0 5.3 5.5 5.7
2002 5.7 5.7 5.7 5.9 5.8 5.8 5.8 5.7 5.7 5.7 5.9 6.0
2003 5.8 5.9 5.9 6.0 6.1 6.3 6.2 6.1 6.1 6.0 5.9 5.7
2004 5.7 5.6 5.7 5.5 5.6 5.6 5.5 5.4 5.4 5.4 5.4 5.4
2005 5.2 5.4 5.1 5.1 5.1 5.0 5.0 4.9 5.1 4.9 5.0 4.9
2006 4.7 4.8
Looks to me like 2000 was the decade low, followed by 1999.
Good thing nobody said you have to be bright to be a bushie. Just make up stuff, nobody will notice, we have a plan for education too.
"Is our children learning?"
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Originally posted by z0rch
Forget it, I ain't quoting it all.
The unemployment number are lower than they have been sine the 60's. If a Dem was in the White House you 'd be touting these numbers as gosbel, don't say you wouldn't.
On the 70's. Yeah, some folks didn't have it bad. A lot of us did. I love the guys who spent the70's in college and say what a great time they had. I grew up in the rust belt, There were not jobs, 9000+ people out of work when Bethlehem Steel closed. One of many that left the area. I don't blame that on Washington like a lot do today, that was completely a local issue. I ended up in the military during the Carter years, That in itself was a serious bad time.
Perspective: The real perspective is that while Gas was actually more expensive in 1980 the economy was doing a whole site worse.
Believe what you will. I am almost at the point now where I sometimes wish you people would get the government you are always wishing for. Just remember this, the last 2 times the left had complete control of the government They ran this country into the ground the then tried to nationalize the health care system. If they get it again then we might as well call ourselves France.
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Clifra Jones shrieked in frustration:
The unemployment number are lower than they have been sine the 60's.
No matter how often you say it, or how loud you say it, it ain't gonna make it so.
Your credibility is shot. Non-existent. Nada. Just like your Clueless Leader.
Look at the numbers, or have someone explain them to you. Unemployment isn't the lowest it has been since the the 60s. It's not even the lowest in the 2000s. It's not even 3rd lowest in the past decade.
No matter how shrill you, Hannity or that fat junky on the radio get, you can't change the facts.
You're following a dufus. Enjoy the ride.
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blah blah blah
good luck in this Nov or 11/08 changing anything zorch
lol