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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: ujustdied on April 03, 2006, 01:55:36 AM
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ok so i go to land 9 kills in a niki forget that 1 of gear are missing and plane veers off runway on to the field. ok so im on my own base go to tower out and it says i get a ditch. wtf im on my own base so why would i get a ditch.
if there is any way could you please change this so that if you land on you own base you get your kills.
CatFish6
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You’re not the only one that thinks this sucks. You can make a great landing but if one lousy wheel is off the pavement, you get a ditch. And it is on your own base 10 feet from the lousy hanger and you get a ditch. It's absolutely stupid.
However, you can slam the plane onto the runway, ripping both wings off, collapsing the landing gear and destroying the engine, but be on pavement and get a successful landing.
Play it safe and fly out into the middle of no where and land 100K from anything and get a successful landing too. Only ones to know are you, the trees and a few sheep. Gee, that makes sense.
Same old argument, same old "Ain't going to change now matter how stupid it is" replies.
In.
LTARsqrl <> :huh
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Never land with wheels down unless you need to re-arm to avoid this unpleasantness, also a good way to tower out before the arsewipe in the 190 dives through all of your chums from 15k to vulch you landing.
IIRC HT has said you’ve got to draw a line somewhere to distinguish a safe landing. If he extends it to cover the airstrip the next post will be how one wingtip was over the strip boundary and how ridiculous that is and shouldn’t we all get safe landings within 5 sectors of a green base due to the large numbers of tractors in WWII.
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Uhm, actually one thing is to draw a line between the paved rwy and the internal airfield and another thing is to draw a line between the field boundaries and the country outside of it. I guess the second solution is much easier to implement, more accurate and acceptable by almost all players. Moreover (another stinking dead horse), many WW2 airfields had no paved rwys at all and fighters took off and landed in the direction they wanted to.
For some players a ditch is different from a succesful landing no matter what the "take off, put yourself in the closest low furball, kill as many as you can, (more likely) get shoot down soon and re-up" party can say.
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Turn your vid settings down. that way you will hit a tree before you get to the runway. Problem solved. Landing is over rated.
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Originally posted by Jackal1
Turn your vid settings down. that way you will hit a tree before you get to the runway. Problem solved. Landing is over rated.
lmao
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That's a good one.
I hate getting ditches on re-supply if any enemy is anywhere close it may even give them a kill...on your own base...on concrete. This doesn't always happen, seems to happen more at strats...any clue if it's a glitch or just the way it is & will be?
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Originally posted by Jackal1
.... Landing is over rated.
Sure, landing is over-rated for diving level bombers, lawndarter field porkers, bomber pilots ejecting after dropping ordnance, anti CV kamikazes. So, lets ask HTC to allow 5K spawn points for a/c and to take off rwys from maps. TOD is inbound, lets turn the MA definitely in a BF1942ish arena ... we are actually goin in that direction.
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I understand why HTC has the ditch model as it is...if I interpret it right its purpose is more so that friendlys can get an easy landing wherever they want at an airfield underattack, and less of the "skill and challenged involved in landing on the pavement". In my perfect world the current ditch system should stay the way it is WHEN and ONLY WHEN the base is flashing and there is an enemy in range. Otherwise when the field is calm and there is no ensuing or inbound attack the aircraft, or vehicle should be able to land at any spot within the fields boundries no problem.
If this is not possible I have also come out with some suggestions in the "wishlist" that addresses this problem. First suggestion is create a tow vehicle, or simply a tow bar that can attach to a jeep/m3 or m8 so that a squaddie or friendly could tow the "ditched" plane onto the pavement for a sucessful landing. In my opinion I dont think it has to go as far as having a squaddie or friendly doing it. If there was a way to exit your airplane on the ground without it magically disappearing, you personally could hold "W" down and walk to the hanger and pick to tow up yourself and pull your aircraft back.
Secondly and possibly more practical. Aircraft supplies. If a 30ton tiger can get flipped upside down, tracks shot out, guns destroyed all while in the surrounding area of 30,40,100! tanks if its in tank town, and get vehicle supplies and magically be flipped upright and have all damage repaired instantly, then surely we should have the same ability for airplanes with airplane supplies? no? I mean this is a flight simulator, and why have GV's gotten priority over the aircraft in this category, that the community agrees to be extremely important.
thoughts?
cavzilla
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Originally posted by gatt
Sure, landing is over-rated for diving level bombers, lawndarter field porkers, bomber pilots ejecting after dropping ordnance, anti CV kamikazes. So, lets ask HTC to allow 5K spawn points for a/c and to take off rwys from maps. TOD is inbound, lets turn the MA definitely in a BF1942ish arena ... we are actually goin in that direction.
:D
My my.......................Ain`t you got your panties in a wad. lmao
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Oh boy, judging from your results you sure seem a specialist of:
- take off, pork and get killed by ack or cappers,
- take off, kill, dont worry about SA and get killed in a couple of secs.
Ehehe ....
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So, should this be a ditch, a landing, or a death?
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/04/03/c5.crash/index.html
They're only about 2000 ft short of the runway and according to CNN, all aboard survived with some injuries...
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What does 'Davy Crockett and the Alamo' have to do with this poor lads wheel falling off ?:confused:
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Originally posted by eagl
So, should this be a ditch, a landing, or a death?
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/04/03/c5.crash/index.html
They're only about 2000 ft short of the runway and according to CNN, all aboard survived with some injuries...
That looks like a ditch to me.
Glad no one was killed.
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Originally posted by gatt
Oh boy, judging from your results you sure seem a specialist of:
- take off, pork and get killed by ack or cappers,
- take off, kill, dont worry about SA and get killed in a couple of secs.
Ehehe ....
Panties still in a wad?
Here`s the way I look at it at this point after being around for quite a while.
I do what I like to do and have fun at it. Usualy that is attack for denial. I could give a rat`s patunia about score/rank/spank or stank. :)
I do what I have fun at.
When it gets to the point that you come into a GAME and have to go to work and worry bout this , that and the other you really need to give it some serious thought.
I`ll nose dive one in if someone knocks on the door. Don`t matter to me.
Where I go is usualy a swarm of NME bogs and a majority the time I`m by myself because noone else will go in. Don`t matter to me. I`ll "in" on a rat and steal it`s cheese. :)
If you are getting all bent out of shape over score, etc. then I feel for you.
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Originally posted by ujustdied
ok so i go to land 9 kills in a niki forget that 1 of gear are missing and plane veers off runway on to the field. ok so im on my own base go to tower out and it says i get a ditch. wtf im on my own base so why would i get a ditch.
if there is any way could you please change this so that if you land on you own base you get your kills.
CatFish6
Because the game hates you and wants to cause you suffering and mental anguish
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Dont mind Jackal, to each his own. BTW, I dont like players trying to make others playing their style, sometimes criticizing them or jumping on them. But ... actually I did it :rolleyes:
P.S.: ujustdied, sorry for the off-topic posts.
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Originally posted by cav58d
I mean this is a flight simulator, and why have GV's gotten priority over the aircraft in this category, that the community agrees to be extremely important.
Us GVers have special needs - we're high maintainence you know (jk). Anyways always looked at the game as a Combat Simulator with more emphasis on flying?
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keep it on the runway or its
[SIZE=10]NO SOUP FOR YOU!!!![/SIZE]
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Okay thats fair to say...Its a WWII combat simulator with a emphasis on flight....But seriously does anyone have any thoughts on my suggestions? I feel very strong about them
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I don't find myself in GV's much, not like back in AH1. One thing that you could count on though is that if you exited to the tower while on the runway at a friendly base you'd get a successful 'landing'. Seems that isn't the case anymore. Maybe it's a random bug but last night it happened to me.
It's not that I'm worried about maintaining my GV ranking of 1000+. It's just an annoying bug to me, but for those who take this game a bit more seriously, < Willy C. voice > I can feel their pain.
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Originally posted by gatt
Dont mind Jackal, to each his own. BTW, I dont like players trying to make others playing their style, sometimes criticizing them or jumping on them. But ... actually I did it :rolleyes:
P.S.: ujustdied, sorry for the off-topic posts.
It`s not a prob. The original comment was meant as humor.
I used to get all fired up and bent out of shape over things in the game. Finaly figured out it was a waste of time I could be using to have fun with instead.
Pretty much all game play has changed since AH1 anyway so I just go with the flow and have fun at whatever kind of mood I`m in at any particualr time.
At any rate wouldn`t make much difference one way or the other to me since last patch. I`m getting the stutter stutter stutter FREEZE Splat routine. :)
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I agree with you Cav – I would like to see changes regarding the ditch. It really sucks when you get a couple of kills and get low on fuel forcing a land at a VH Base. Just as you taxi onto the hangar pad at the VH Base (You have to touch the old concrete) along comes some Lancs to take down the hangers and just as your typing “.ef” BOOM “System: Hammy shot you down.” Majority of pictures I’ve seen and film clips of WWII Air Bases always showed planes lined up on the grass. If you land successfully and park the plane of to the side on the runway, on the grass – why get a ditch?
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Must have been a total bummer not getting a ton of "atta boyz" for landing a 9 vulch sortie in a N1K.
:rolleyes: :cry :huh :aok
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Strange though -
Airfield - Has to be on concrete
VBase - Has to be on the VH concrete
Port - ANYWHERE within the confines (concrete or grass) of a Port and get a good landing.
Theres consistency for you.
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The solution is simple just code in a "safe area" which widens the runway but does now "show up" on your screen.
If your aircraft is within the "safe area" it is ollie oxenfree, if not then it's a DITCH.
This way if one part of the plane is slightly off the runway it would still be a good landing.
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Boxboy, players would still come to the boards and whine about landing only "xxx" feet from the runway and getting a "ditch"
All, the line for a safe landing was drawn by HTC a long time ago. It is where it is and they're not going to change it. Land within the paramters given and you're fine. Don't and you have only your self to blame.
(lol Snapshot :) )
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Originally posted by Boxboy
The solution is simple just code in a "safe area" which widens the runway but does now "show up" on your screen.
If your aircraft is within the "safe area" it is ollie oxenfree, if not then it's a DITCH.
This way if one part of the plane is slightly off the runway it would still be a good landing.
Pull up a clipboard map for an airfield. I say that anywhere in that square that is the airfield should count as a sucessfull landing.
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Just revers it. Instead of getting a ditch when you touch the grass, make it so you get a landing if any part of the plane touches the runway pavement.
HT get his boundaries and the pilits a litle nore room for when they come in with half a wing and a PW. If they land like that, WTH, give them the landing.
Everyone happy :aok
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Originally posted by Kev367th
Strange though -
Airfield - Has to be on concrete
VBase - Has to be on the VH concrete
Port - ANYWHERE within the confines (concrete or grass) of a Port and get a good landing.
Theres consistency for you.
Just an F.Y.I. you can land successfully on other concrete at a V-base; e.g. where the fuel trucks are parked. I hope this helps someone.
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At V-Bases, any concrete is OK, with the exception of the strip from the tower. Lost more than a few Panzers and Tigers on that little bit of coding.
The entire airfield is one tile. It should allow for a successful landing anywhere on it. Or at least give a "You have landed" and dock the points if there are any if it is off the runway. But it makes no sense that you can land on your field and get a "Ditch" but land out in the middle of no mans land away from any fighting and get a successful landing. More than once I have had my engine shot out and done a deadstick landing and ended up just off of the runway and lost everything. Great reward for getting my plane and myself back in one piece, but slam into the runway destroying my aircraft and you get a "Good Job, you landed successfully". DOH ! ! ! Great minds at work. :rofl
If you are on YOUR field, and live, it should give you a landing, not a ditch.
One side point, why the heck isn't their one lousy re-arm pad at a V-Base? After all, that is what they do at a V-Base. Re-arm and maintain Vehicles. :huh
LTARsqrl <>
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Originally posted by Westy
Boxboy, players would still come to the boards and whine about landing only "xxx" feet from the runway and getting a "ditch"
All, the line for a safe landing was drawn by HTC a long time ago. It is where it is and they're not going to change it. Land within the paramters given and you're fine. Don't and you have only your self to blame.
(lol Snapshot :) )
Well I was thinking that my idea would limit the "I landed with all but one wing on the runway and got a ditch" stuff.
I am aware of the limits now and have zero problems with it.
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Originally posted by ujustdied
ok so i go to land 9 kills in a niki forget that 1 of gear are missing and plane veers off runway on to the field. ok so im on my own base go to tower out and it says i get a ditch. wtf im on my own base so why would i get a ditch.
if there is any way could you please change this so that if you land on you own base you get your kills.
CatFish6
You get your kills whether you land normally or ditch, but you don't get the public announcement in the text buffer for a ditch.
Also, Trikky gives good advice. If there's any chance of being vulched while landing, minimize your exposure and land wheels-up on the runway. This shortens the time required to stop substantially.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by Widewing
...minimize your exposure and land wheels-up on the runway. This shortens the time required to stop substantially...
Just be under about 100mph when you kiss the runway, lest you will be wishing you had a ditch . . .
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Originally posted by E25280
Just be under about 100mph when you kiss the runway, lest you will be wishing you had a ditch . . .
150.
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Originally posted by MadSquirrel
However, you can slam the plane onto the runway, ripping both wings off, collapsing the landing gear and destroying the engine, but be on pavement and get a successful landing.
this is how I always land. Gear down to blow speed, pull it up and slide it in for landing, saves time, no worrying about rolling off either.
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hub, since these last 2 patches, I have found it almost impossible to get a sucessful belly slide anywhere around skiding in at 150, before the patches no problem, now best I have done was around 125..............
YMMV
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I found the "belly/Bubba slide" speed depends on the plane; sturdier plane = higher speeds. For example, a plywood plane is not going to take the stresses that a solid carrier plane can; I think HT attemted to imitate (sp?) this; someone correct me if I'm wrong.
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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
hub, since these last 2 patches, I have found it almost impossible to get a sucessful belly slide anywhere around skiding in at 150, before the patches no problem, now best I have done was around 125..............
YMMV
150 seems to be working ok
:confused: What is a Land-ing-gear?