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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: StSanta on January 31, 2001, 01:44:00 PM
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Well, sort of getting into this.
You guys put on a real show with the B-2 and the F-16's. Liked it.
What bbugs me are all the damned pauses. Being a soccer fan, I am used to constant action. Now, sometimes there are several minutes where nothing happens. And I must wonder; do YOU guys know anything about all the tactics stuff?
I see a bunch of guys, I see the fakes etc, but I don't understand anything about the tactics.
I've gotten hold of punts, intercepts, blockings (that the right word?), scoring system, general rules and some minor tactical stuff (like when to punt (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)). But the finer details allude me. Anyone with some knowledge wanna help me out? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Baron Claus "StSanta" Von Ribbentroppen
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"I don't necessarily agree with everything I think." - A. Eldritch
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All I'm going to say is that any game where the score is frequently 0-0 just SUCKS. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Sure, there are no pauses in Soccer, but they seem to keep running around aimlessly until somebody screws up or gets lucky.
Think of American Football as war. Each "play" is a skirmish that requires planning and tactics on both sides, and then execution by the players.
And, before anybody brings it up, Canadian football sucks. It's like pretend "real" football. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) (Canadian football is just like American football but with a few rule differences. The most important difference is that in Canadian football you only get 3 "downs" or plays instead of 4. It sucks... play, play, punt; play, play, punt they end up punting too much IMHO.
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Lephturn - Chief Trainer
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A pig is a pal, who'll boost your morale, Though mountains may topple and tilt.
When they've blackballed, bamboozled, and burned you, When they've turned on you, Tory and Whig,
Though you may be thrown over by Tabby and Rover, You'll never go wrong with a pig, a pig,
You'll never go wrong with a pig!" -- Thomas Pynchon, "Gravity's Rainbow"
[This message has been edited by Lephturn (edited 01-31-2001).]
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two teams, 11 men on each team.
one offense (with ball)
one defense (without ball)
offense has four downs (plays) to move the ball ten yards for another 1st down.
offense tries to carry ball over goal line (touchdown = 6) then kicks extra point for a total of 7 points.
If offense doesn't get 1st down in 3 plays, they usually punt (kick) the ball to the other team on 4th down or they try to kick a field goal (3 points) if they are close enough, usually under 40 yards.
Different defense work better against different offenses and vice versa.
Some teams have better runners while others have better receivers and passers....
but football is over until next fall (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
Eagler
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Its scripted roadkill - just like american professional wrestling.
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What's wrong Jihad, some jock steal your girlfriend in college?
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Originally posted by jihad:
Its scripted roadkill - just like american professional wrestling.
jihad
what's it like going through life with that chip on your shoulder? You ever think/say anything positive? You must have been really picked on when you were little (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Eagler
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Hehe a description of soccer as "constant action" is charitable at best (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
There is constant MOTION perhaps, (except when one of the sissy players does a nice WCW "flop" any time his body's "hit bubble" comes into contact with someone else's, initiating a new entry in the "Best Performance in a Penalty Drawing Role" competition) but in Ameri..er...the USA, we define "action" to involve points being scored, or blood being drawn, or flying helmets, or something more interesting than two guys bouncing a ball back and forth between their heads while the goalie tries to stay awake (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
In fact, in most cases, the actual 90 minutes of "action" can be dispensed with entirely, since the result is usually determined by two guys by THEMSELVES trying to kick more penalty kicks past two OTHER guys by THEMselves, while the other 18 guys who wasted the last 3 hours look on, with no further input on the outcome (as if they had any input to begin with).
Now, don't get me wrong. It's a great game, and it's loads of fun to PLAY, and there's even a lot of strategy and tactics and huge amounts of skill involved.
But "action?" Nope. Sorry. Unless of course, the US Women's team is playing... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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The strategy with the playaction, fakes, etc is to force the defense to play conservative, and/or force them to cover the run so pass recievers can more easily get open. This obviously works better if you can actually run the ball, if not they won't respect it and drop back in heavy pass coverage regardless (or if you have a crappy QB/recieving core, they'll only use single man coverage and stack everyone else against the run).
On the other side, defenses will try to confuse the offense by disguising their coverages. Stack the line like they're bringing a lot of people on run coverage or blitz, only to have them drop back immediately into pass coverage. Or have them back off the line as if in pass coverage only to rush the line at the last second blitzing the quarterback.
Like any other sport, once you get the general rules down you'll pick up on the strategies. There are matchups all over the place, and plays that look like failures can be setting up successful options later.
Most of us have been watching and/or playing most of our lives, so yeah, the average American is going to have at least a general grasp on football strategy.
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Jedi - as an individual from the true home of football, I must take issue with your comments. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Firstly, you don't appear to know much about penalty taking. In actual fact, both sides have five penalties each (or more if the result is a tie). That means at least 6 players on each side are involved.
Secondly, penalties only decide important games, like tournament play-offs or cup ties.
I've seen American 'soccer' league action on TV and frankly it's a bit crap. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
On the other hand, I've been going to football matches over here since I was very small, and I've seen some great games. Really great games. All of the England tournament games in recent years have been excellent (apart from the disastrous Euro 2000). What true Englishman does not remember Owen's goal against Argentina in World Cup '98? Or England's complete 4-1 destruction of Holland in 1996?
There are bad games, but isn't that true of any sport?
Football is a great game to play - you don't need expensive equipment or even a pitch. You have to fit, not just strong and there's plenty of oppounity for argy-bargy.
American football? Even cricket is more entertaining...
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Any 250lbs piece of muscles can be a good american football player. Take the ball and run (Run Forrest!! RUN!!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif))
Only a skillfull and/or intelligent player can be a soccer star.
I think the difference between both games is well marked (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Soccer is great. I was really stoked in 1992 when we could FINALLY watch the World Cup in the US.
Santa, yes there are a lot of pauses. I guess you get used to it. I played the game at a very low level and even then there was so much to think about between plays, so the pauses didn't seem too short.
If you have tactics questions, go ahead and ask - I know for sure there are some big fans on this BBS.
Jihad - NFL scripted LOL! Take your meds. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Originally posted by funked:
Soccer is great. I was really stoked in 1992 when we could FINALLY watch the World Cup in the US.
That was in 1994 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)...Hehehe I will never forget Hristo Stoichkov's Bulgaria kicking Germany's prettythang, and how did he lead his teams' reaction with that free kick goal from 30meters.
And no, I will never forget Spanish' elimination in Boston... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
I hate italians since that day (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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RAM your statement only shows your complete ignorance of the game. At 350 lbs it is arguably a true statement, but trust me, there are plenty of 250 lb guys who are great athletes who could never play in the NFL.
And yes it was 94 and yes I remember Stoichkov's goal. To quote Andres Cantor: <Explitive Deleted>
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Originally posted by funked:
To quote Andres Cantor: GOOOOOO..[...].OOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLL LLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!
OH! what a LACK of imagination!!!
Funked, learn some spanish and then listen to the argentinian and/or Columbian TV and radio people doing the narration of the matches of their national teams, or their "classic" matches...
I remember one...spanish people will remeber it because it was a NO goal..."El gol de Abreu"
(sorry its inexplicable for non-spanish speaking guys) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Originally posted by funked:
RAM your statement only shows your complete ignorance of the game
Well so much as ignorance...I've seen some matches, (Including the last 2 superbowls). The thing I've most liked from the matches I've seen has been, in this order:
-Britney Spears
-Jennifer Lopez
Hehehe...Yes I think I dont like the game too much (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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OK RAM but only if you listen to Bill King calling the "Holy Roller" or "The Immaculate Reception". (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Since you saw two games I will remove the "completely" so you are now just ignorant.
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Originally posted by funked:
Since you saw two games I will remove the "completely" so you are now just ignorant.`
I've seen much more than two (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) I say that I've seen matches, INCLUDING the 2 last superbowls...not only the 2 last superbowls (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Ummm...by the way RAM, we dont call them "matches"....matches are what we use to start fires. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
And Dowding....the professional soccer league here in the US was started to give the immigrants who were always complaining about not understanding American football something to watch. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Hey Santa. (An American Greeting format)
For some reason, someone did something that makes this thread go caddy wampus on my IE 1024x768 browser size, and I have to scroll at the bottom to keep it all in place.
But seriously, if you'd like to e-mail me any questions on American Football, I'd be more than happy to answer.
The main thing to keep in mind is that comparing Soccer to American Football, or even comparing it to Rugby, is not an accurate comparison at all.
All three, and including Australian Rules Football, so four, are excellent games in their own right.
To attempt to directly compare them against each other is total folly, and is definitely not comparing apples to apples, but more appropriately, it winds up comparing apples to oranges.
I think I could intelligently expound on some of the concepts of American Football, and also expupidate on why American Football really IS a big deal, and not just a bunch of overweight pansies in pads hitting each other with five minute breaks in between.
My e-mail is mk10@home.com.
Thanks for your interest dude, and I've always enjoyed the kharma behind your posts.
Mk
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American football is like a well-orchestrated war game. (unless you're watching the Cinncinati Bungals hehe) There are feints, decoys, and even flanking movements lol. It takes a long time to understand the strategy behind the gameplans on offense and defense. The coach might run 3 plays that gain no yards just so he can set the defense up for another play. I find it more interesting than soccer because of the chess game that goes on between coaches during the game. Soccer is an ok sport, and it is physically demanding, but I just never saw any strategy behind it.
btw...anyone going to the Pro Bowl? I live about 2 miles away (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) Going to the NFCs practice tomorrow with my son to get some stuff signed.
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Hey Funked and RAM.. could you please abreviate that "goooal" saying. We can get the point without have to scroll all of the text.
AKDejaVu
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Heh in defense of soccer; it's not always the result that counts, but the game itself. It's more dynamic than American soccer and it forces players to "think on their feet" more and is, to me, more open for individual achievements.
Also, there are several layers of tactics and strategy in soccer; watch how the three lines interact. How one runner forces the defenders to mark him up, leaving holes for other players to others to explore. Use of depth in soccer is extremely important to success (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif). I guess you're in sort of mine position Lepthurn; ya know the general rules but the tactics sort of elude you. it's an irritating position because it limits your enjoyment of the game somewhat.
But watching all those guys run into each other, wondering "hm, he's close to touchdown, 3'rd down and 5. Could go for a field goal, but could go for a chancy touchdown. What'll happen? <BLAMO>, BIIG impacts, lotsa people, where's the nall oh there, he'S RUNNING now what <BLAMO OUCH>".
That's FUN (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
Those guys running from side to side on the offense - they're there to dupe the defense. Yet when I watched Superbowl, it seemed as if they weren't "checked" by the defense, who mostly seemed to ignore them.
A strong defense seems to revolve around having several really heavy (some are really fat) guys as stoppers in the middle), but other than that I'm sort of missing out the details. For the offense; I love the throws, and when one Fat Dude manages to block out two Fat Dudes of the opposing team and a Little Fast Guy can run right through, it's amusing.
Also, I've noticed that the defensive team, liek sin soccer, is utterly dependant on not having a "hole" run through - in soccer, if a player beats the offside trap, he can pretty much have a run all the way to goal. Similar in American football. What measures are taken in such eventualities, if any? Or are they simply dead set on "it won't happen!"?
Sheesh. Soon I bet I'll begin to watch baseball, too. Sick.
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Baron Claus "StSanta" Von Ribbentroppen
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
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"I don't necessarily agree with everything I think." - A. Eldritch
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Okay, StSanta asks about American football, but you bums haveta start trashing the REAL football!!! Hey, we can talk politics, we can talk religion, but don't ever trash the real thing - F.A .FOOTBALL!!!(Soccer to you ignoramuses)
Anyone who can't see the beauty in a soccer game is just plain ignorant. The world plays soccer, and offers so many different styles of play that tavern discussions can last forever. The amazing art form of Brazillian football, the speed and long play of English football, the methodical almost robotically precise play of Germany. The strange mix of art and practicality in Italian ball. The conflict of Argentinian ball, between art and roughness. And in the last few decades we've seen African football emerge with its almost maniacal and reckless pace. And then there are the smaller countries with all their own unique styles, ready to upset any of the big guns.
Sure, football can be boring, just like any bad match, but more often than not, one can watch a game that reveals the tactics, the style, and the caliber of players, in a game. I still remember the world cup of '94 in the USA when Italy were playing Ireland(?), and lost their goalkeeper to a red card very early in the match. They needed to win the match to move on in the series, so things looked very dire for the Azzuri. But, somehow they pulled it off in an amazing game. There are so many memories like this, so many.
I think what I like best about football is that here is one 'thing' that the world enjoys almost as a whole. Almost anywhere in the world you can strike up a conversation about the national teams, or even the local league teams. Football is the world's sport.
Btw, the term soccer comes from the old official name of Association Football. Back then, rugby was also known as football, so to distinguich the two, the English came up with first asoc, then soccer.
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"REAL football"I assume if your name was Bill, you would be the "Real Bill"
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Santa, the game is won and lost by the fat dudes up front (linemen). In 75-90% of games, the team with the best linemen wins.
They are all huge (average is over 300 lb now). So the ones that dominate are the ones who have better skills or are just smarter.
The offensive linemen (the 5 to 7 fat guys in the middle of the field for the team with the ball) try to block the defensive linemen. The term blocking refers to any physical contact with defensive players.
On a passing play this means they set up a barrier ("pass protection") to keep their quarterback safe. The defensive linemen try to break through ("pass rush") and tackle the quarterback or disrupt his pass attempt. If they can do this consistently, even the best quarterback will look like a moron.
For this kind of blocking, an offensive lineman often must move backwards and sideways while fighting a rushing defender with his hands. Even a small man can topple a large offensive lineman in this situation if his balance is not good. The offensive lineman must have quick feet, good balance, and strong, quick hands. Each offensive lineman must also be able to pick the correct person to block as soon as the play starts, so he must be able to think very quickly.
To get a clean shot at the quarterback, the defense will send different players from directions in order to confuse the offensive linemen. If you can make two offensive linemen try to block the same guy, it means someone else will be free. Or they will will try to overload the offensive linemen by sending a large amount of players - this is a "blitz".
On a running play the offensive linemen will do one of two things. The simplest is that they will charge "straight ahead" at the defensive lineman in front of them and try to push him back or impede him from tackling the runner. This kind of blocking is all about power and leverage, and the ability to "fire out" instantly into the defender as the play starts. The shoulders are used more than the hands to block.
The other thing offensive linemen do on running plays is called "pulling". A pulling offensive lineman will leave the defensive lineman in front of him alone, and run along the line to block somebody else. Often they will run ahead of the ball carrier and clear his path. This is where speed and agility will make a big difference. Some guys just can't do this well. They are too slow to get to the right spot in time, or they don't have the agility to collide with a quick defender who is trying to avoid them. The ones that can pull well are a great asset, because they become a moving shield for the ball carrier.
As a play develops, most of the defensive players base their expectations on what the offensive linemen are doing - are they blocking for a pass or a run, and in which direction. Therefore the blocking scheme can be used to deceive the defense. The offensive linemen will block as if a running play is coming, but the quarterback will throw a pass. Or they will block as if a pass play is coming, but the quarterback will hand the ball to a runner. Or they will block as if there will be a run to the right, but the run goes to the left.
These deceptions will not always fool the defense, but even if they cause a split second's hesitation by a defensive player they can still be valuable to the offense.
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Thanks for the description funked!
I'll look closely at these fat dudes in the future (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
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9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
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"I don't necessarily agree with everything I think." - A. Eldritch
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Preach on, Brother Leonid!!!!
BTW F.C.Barcelona ROCKS!!! (hehehe,love my team (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif))
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It's true that I don't understand American football totally - I know the basics, but I find it dull to watch. Rugby is better.
Like Leonid says, football is far more complicated BECAUSE of the simple rules. There are so many tactics on the pitch, so many styles of play from different players from different countries. The English play aggressively and physically, whereas the Italians have a little more finesse.
The Argentinians are just bastards. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
And for once, I agree with RAM. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) Although why he supports Barcelona when he lives in Bilbao, I'll never know. Or is it like how people from London support Manchester United? Fair weather fan, eh? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
BTW RAM - I'm coming to Spain next year - my cousin is getting married to a Spaniard, and I've also agreed to do that Bull Run thing (all my more youthful cousins are going to do it).
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Originally posted by Dowding:
And for once, I agree with RAM.Although why he supports Barcelona when he lives in Bilbao, I'll never know. Or is it like how people from London support Manchester United? Fair weather fan, eh?
Ohhh its a long long story...starts in 1983 when F.C. barcelona came to Bilbao to play against Athletic. Was my first "live" match and I LOVED Barça. Since that day...I'm Barça's fanatic (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
P.S. Barça lost that match 1-0...and Athletic de Bilbao won league and league and cup the following year (1984).
P.S.2 Real Madrid won 5 leagues in a row (1985-1990)...and I was always supporting my loved Barcelona (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
P.S.3 I lived 3 years in Toledo (1992-95) where EVERYONE is Real Madrid's supporter. Still I kept on supporting OPENLY Barça, and even went to my team's training sessions with the complete equipation of F.C Barcelona (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
As you see...heheh far far from being a "fair weather fan" (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
BTW RAM - I'm coming to Spain next year - my cousin is getting married to a Spaniard, and I've also agreed to do that Bull Run thing (all my more youthful cousins are going to do it).
If you are talking 'bout Pamplona's San Fermines then I hope that if you do it, you do it reasonably sober. Because almost 80% of the guys that do it are completely drunk...and of course ,then happens what has to happen (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
Hey! and dont forget to come to Bilbao! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Hey, I won't be doing that run an anything other than steroids or at least a hefty dose of adrenaline! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) Most of the people who do it are stupid foreigners, so if there are no locals participating, I don't think I'll go ahead.
Unfortunately, both my cousins (the one getting married and her sister) did it last year. I can't back out now otherwise I'll look like a wuss. Oh dear. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
I think they live in Saragosa (sp?) BTW - that anywhere near Bilbao?
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cure for soccer boringness:
get rid of the goalies - like 2 shots on goal anyway for the whole game and the guy blocks it.......
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I think the biggest problem here is the fact that both are called "football" but actually bear no resemblance, other than the presence of humans playing the game and something ball-shaped being involved.
True, most Americans find soccer (forgive me, I must use the term) damned boring to watch. But it is the most popular sport amongst kids in the U.S. to play. Hell, I love playing. It's a lotta fun. But we've (Americans) grown up with the tension of a 3rd & long play that could decide a whole season. It's a different game, treat it as such. Don't compare.
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I can't believe you think that calling 'soccer' (that is awful) football, is a misnomer!!? You use your 'foot' to kick a 'ball' 95% of the time - hence the name.
You can't say the same about American Football.
MrFish - I don't know how many games you've actually watched, but having two shots on goal rarely happens.
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StSanta there's an old movie out there called North Dallas Forty and it will tell you all you need to know. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Dowding, if you are talking about my post, I didn't say that it shouldn't be called "football". It should. American, gridiron, blood in the trenches "football" shouldn't be called that, but, what can you do?. We need to be able to differentiate it somehow here in the states. Hence us calling it "Soccer". I hope that makes sense. I know it doesn't to me.
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The Longest Yard.
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Originally posted by Dowding:
MrFish - I don't know how many games you've actually watched, but having two shots on goal rarely happens.
well dowding...... my former roommate, in addition to being unemployed and drunk 99% of the time, was a definite yelling, slobbering, trivia spewing sports fan and i often caught a game on the weekends when i was too lazy to fight for the tv. in the 7-10 games of 'football' i suffered through i probably saw about 20 or 30 shots on goal.
so what if you disagree about the number - just consider the effect- the scores without a goalie would be like 10 to 15 or 5-9 it would be a lot more interesting than 1-0 - the only thing more boring than 'football' is hockey....gimme 'mercan football! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Kidcol - I wonder how it got the name American Football? I guess it must have something to do with it being a derivative of Rugby Football, and the name just stuck.
Where does the word 'soccer' come from
anyway?
MrFish - come to England and come with me to watch my side. We regularly let 3-4 goals in every saturday. You'd find it very entertaining and you'd also learn how not to play a game of football (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif).
I don't know how much you know about English league football, but my team (Sheffield Wednesday) were relegated from the Premiership last season. At the moment we are second from bottom in Division 1. That can only mean one thing... we are going down again. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
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Heh 2-4 shots on goal?
You must have been very drunk.
Check the stats of any given game - there's a lot more than that.
Anyone who says soccer hasn't got much action, yet adheres to sports like basseball or American football and claims it does is delusional.
I can appreciate (now) American football - but only because I've forced myself to sit through the initial boring period. Still bugs me with all the pauses, but the action is getting good.
With soccer, you have great contra attacks. You have the midfield masterminding attack. Fluid, real time strategy implement by the players as they go - it's more player based than American football.
Both have their good sides and bad sides, but soccer definitely has a lot of action in it, and the strategy is very advanced.
Don't believe me? Watch a game from 1960. Compare to now.
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9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
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"I don't necessarily agree with everything I think." - A. Eldritch
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Santa, let them, they are losing the biggest fun in the world
BTW dont expect to see me online this afternoon...F.C. Barcelona Vs Athletic Club de Bilbao, in Camp Nou, 21.00 pm Spanish time...
My two favorite teams playing (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
SOCCER RULES!!!!!!!!!!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Dowding,
The Brits came up with the name 'soccer'! It's a bastardization of Association Football. Was done to distinguish football from rugby, since both were known as footbal back then.
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They did? Shame on them, it is a shrecking awful name! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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hehe be careful what you ask for i just might (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
- going back to europe this summer and its great watching the bbc sports section - i never can fully catch whats going on - the guy sz something that sounds like:
'ol shropshiresford has 2 jolly tithers above wickshamhamsfordshire-ington-downs-on-the-sea'
whhhaa'd he say? are they speaking english? i think i will switch to deutsche welle it is easier to understand!!
lol - now rugby thats another story - watched some this weekend and rugby rules...
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Alittle nurturing lesson:
If I was brought up with Soccer as a televised, highly visable sport on my TV, in my school, in my state, I would probably be a soccer fan.
However,American Football, hockey, baseball was the 'favorite sport'...therefore, nurturing had alot to do with my preference and I certainly wouldn't lower my standards to disrespecting someone elses preferences.
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Soccer is glorified kick ball .. you know the game you played during recess with the girls (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Eagler
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I've always found playing with the girls far more interesting than playing with the boys... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
lol MrFish. Vive la difference. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) At least in football, you don't get teams moving across the country - they still have some link with their locale over here. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Rugby is good...
...especially when England whacks Wales for six (mixed metaphors aside (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)).
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I've found that once the minute details are examined, just about any sport can be appreciated. I'm a member of the sports medicine staff at my local University, and have consequently been exposed to many sports I previously thought were boring/silly but now can begin to see the brilliance behind each of them.
For instance, I used to be bored out of my mind by soccer (football to the rest of the world), but after a few months of constantly watching it, I found myself realizing how the ball was being played around the field, how defenses were baited, how formation shifts were necessary, and why the team that started 6(!) midfielders who were all studs created match-up problems from hell for our home team.
Baseball, volleyball, tennis, wrestling... they all have their own charm to them and I think anyone can appreciate them given enough time.
That said, I have a special place in my heart for American football. It still amazes me how simple and complex it can be at the same time, and I'll go out of my way to defend it against a non-believer. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Bah! Running is the only true sport...
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And footballers don't do any running do they? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Ahhh, yes.
The sk1//z of soccer players...
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