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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Bogie603rd on April 05, 2006, 09:12:54 AM
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Iran succesfully tested an under-water missile that travels at speeds over 200 MPH UNDER THE WATER.:eek: Hmm... makes me want to think why they want such technology?
My suggestion to the bush administration before they do anything further. Order Navy and Marine inventors to start making "countermeasures" for this missile. If they can't do that, maybe they should attempt to make a "net-webbing" system that would trap and self detonate the missile just feet away from the ship.
If none of those things would work, why not use the Anti-Missile system their attempting to install on airliners?
This is serious, since Iran also mentioned after the test that NO ships can evade this under-water missile.:noid
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An Iranian Shkval - interesting.
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How is this missile fired? From a fixed underwater base or from a submarine? Or some other platform?
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russia claimed to have that 2-3 years ago, {gee i wonder how iran got it?}
it works by somehow cavitating the water so it "flys" through a pocket of air. must give off one big sonar signal.
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At a time when Iran wants to tout its nuclear program for PEACEFUL reasons, it parades around and shows off all its NEW weapons. And maybe its me, but part of me thinks its Baghdad Bob kinda stuff. What "remarkable" weapon will they have invented tomorrow and the next day? (And in Road Runner fashion, will it read ACME on the side?) :)
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I don't think they are inventing these weapons, so much as getting a little help testing, training on, and deploying them.
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Originally posted by john9001
russia claimed to have that 2-3 years ago, {gee i wonder how iran got it?}
it works by somehow cavitating the water so it "flys" through a pocket of air. must give off one big sonar signal.
I think the Polaris uses the same concept - the missile flies through an airbubble until it reaches the surface. Looks like Iran's technology is about, oh, 25 years behind ours!
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Originally posted by LePaul
At a time when Iran wants to tout its nuclear program for PEACEFUL reasons, it parades around and shows off all its NEW weapons. And maybe its me, but part of me thinks its Baghdad Bob kinda stuff. What "remarkable" weapon will they have invented tomorrow and the next day? (And in Road Runner fashion, will it read ACME on the side?) :)
A dog barks when it is frightened. ;)
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Just like a Texan shoots when he's frightened (Chuck Norris excluded)?
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^^
Only from towers.
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Guys,
Its not exactly a hard concept to copy. A rocket motor, bleed exhaust out the nose, with no guidence package - just an underwater dumbfire rocket which you fire in front of a submarine that launched to try and break the guidence wire.
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Originally posted by gofaster
I think the Polaris uses the same concept - the missile flies through an airbubble until it reaches the surface. Looks like Iran's technology is about, oh, 25 years behind ours!
Problem is not creating the bubble around the object but how to keep object inside the said bubble at 200mph and how to change missile's/torpedo's direction.
I doubt Polaris travels that fast while submerged and I'm also quite sure it's not able to manoeuvre while under water..
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http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/row/shkval.htm
Apparently fired from standard 533mm torpedo tubes, Shkval has a range of about 7,500 yards. The weapon clears the tube at fifty knots, upon which its rocket fires, propelling the missile through the water at 360 kph [about 100 m/sec / 230 mph / 200-knots], three or four times as fast as conventional torpedoes. The solid-rocket propelled "torpedo" achieves high speeds by producing a high-pressure stream of bubbles from its nose and skin, which coats the torpedo in a thin layer of gas and forms a local "envelope" of supercavitating bubbles. Carrying a tactical nuclear warhead initiated by a timer, it would destroy the hostile submarine and the torpedo it fired. The Shkval high-speed underwater missile is guided by an auto-pilot rather than by a homing head as on most torpedoes.
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i doubt seriously they can deploy this.. and if they do attack a CBG with one the immediate and devestatingly overwhelming response will open a new page in the liberal history books about how unfair americans play at war.
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I think the cheekbones is suicidal
(http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/050702/050702_iranleader_vmed_7a.widec.jpg)
and I think we should help him fulfill his destiny before he determines ours
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Is 7,500 yards far enough away to get away from the nuclear blast if they so choose to go that route? Or is it just Dying in the name of Allah again?
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They're gone nuts.
Just yesterday I saw on the news (reuters) an Iranian attack boat. Like the Russian ones it floats on the ground effect, - so it's neither a boat nor an aircraft.
More difficult to spot on radar than aircraft and as a boat, - does some 100 mph....
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Originally posted by Hangtime
i doubt seriously they can deploy this.. and if they do attack a CBG with one the immediate and devestatingly overwhelming response will open a new page in the liberal history books about how unfair americans play at war.
Hang, they depoly it to defend. There is now one known and working aggressor in Gulf area, and it's not Iran.
Or you mean there will be another "Maine" or Tonkin bay?... It seems to me that it will be quite difficult to fool the whole world again.
BTW, did they show an Iranian "ekranoplan" in the same news? Here TV shows their "flying boat" more then torpedo.
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Looks like cold war is rehashing. Russians love to test their new tech on Iran against coalition troops.
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Originally posted by Angus
They're gone nuts.
There is one nation that have gone nuts, and, unfortunately, the only thing that can protect a souverign nation from being democratically "bombed into stone age" is nuclear weapons posession :(
Originally posted by Angus
Just yesterday I saw on the news (reuters) an Iranian attack boat. Like the Russian ones it floats on the ground effect, - so it's neither a boat nor an aircraft.
More difficult to spot on radar than aircraft and as a boat, - does some 100 mph....
So they showed this in the West too, thanks!
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Originally posted by john9001
russia claimed to have that 2-3 years ago, {gee i wonder how iran got it?}
it works by somehow cavitating the water so it "flys" through a pocket of air. must give off one big sonar signal.
2-3 years ago? Are you really so naive?
Shkval is in service from 1977. That time it had only 150 KT nuclear warhead. Later it was updated to use conventional warhead (210 kg). Shkval is exporting in conventional warhead variant from 1992.
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Originally posted by gofaster
I think the Polaris uses the same concept - the missile flies through an airbubble until it reaches the surface. Looks like Iran's technology is about, oh, 25 years behind ours!
they are not even remotly similar. 25 years behind you say? I dont think so
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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
Looks like cold war is rehashing. Russians love to test their new tech on Iran against coalition troops.
Rehashing? Do you seriously think it was over?
"on Iran against coalition troops"?! Elaborate please.
How American, to balme Russia for all the trouble you got because of the stupidity of your own democratically elected leaders.
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Originally posted by nirvana
Is 7,500 yards far enough away to get away from the nuclear blast if they so choose to go that route? Or is it just Dying in the name of Allah again?
I don't think, that Islam was a main idea in construction bureau.
Torpedo working on super-cavitation principals can have only one target. Aircraft carrier in order or submarine with nukes in start position.
The kill of these targets compensates Shkval carriers death.
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Boroda.. Estel.. slow day in commie-land?
Cheer up gents.. we're not in the least concerned with being right, and we could care less whats in your history books. Yes, Imperial America is on the March and we will Democracize the animal world, including Iran, and make the middle east safe and profitable for the global corporations even if we have to nuke 'em to convince 'em it's the only right and sensible thing to do.
*BOOM*
Free at last!
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What I find so funny is that people assume that since they have these "horrible" weapons, that they could be used effectively.
Example..ASW in the persian gulf is almost impossible due to the fact it's so shallow...that works both ways meaning a sub has just as much trouble tracking and targeting..So a torpedo with no target is useless.
Then you are talking about Iran. Sure they have nice weapons..but are not proficient in using them. ..Sure they can lay mines (takes no skill) and attack unarmed merchant ships. But they have never attempted to use any kind of REAL weapon against anybody.
Just a bunch of sabre rattling. They never learn. look up Operation Praying Mantis...and we did that just to retaliate for a mined Frigate.
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Originally posted by ASTAC
But they have never attempted to use any kind of REAL weapon against anybody.
So Iran is not a real threat then
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Originally posted by Nilsen
So Iran is not a real threat then
Judging by their abysmal performance in Operation Praying Mantis, i'd agree with ASTAC's conclusion. Even considering it was loiterial operation, which is not what a blue water navy is good at (even today) - in the US case.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
So Iran is not a real threat then
As far as trying to use their AAW, ASW, or SUW weapons..no I don't think they are. They do however have missiles and are constantly working on increasing the range of those missiles, so if they were to get nukes, then yes they are a threat. In my mind though they don't become a threat until they can reach the US with a missile. Frankly I don't care about Israel (or anybody else in the middle east), Europe, or any of our asian allies.
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Sure it is, Nils.. they wanna build a bomb. We wanna drop one.
Everybody's happy!
happy, happy, joy, joy,.... *BOOM*
Wallah, a new Democracy!
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Nilsen; It's enough if someone THINKS they are having WMDs and are ready to use them; weapons don't actually have to exist at all.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
Sure it is, Nils.. they wanna build a bomb. We wanna drop one.
Everybody's happy!
happy, happy, joy, joy,.... *BOOM*
Wallah, a new Democracy!
Sometimes I really wonder if Hang is joking or he really means what he says :(
Frankly speaking - we didn't have such pathetic characters even in Pravda cartoon strips back in 1981.
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Originally posted by Boroda
Sometimes I really wonder if Hang is joking or he really means what he says :(
Frankly speaking - we didn't have such pathetic characters even in Pravda cartoon strips back in 1981.
Look in the mirror then. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Hangtime
Sure it is, Nils.. they wanna build a bomb. We wanna drop one.
Everybody's happy!
happy, happy, joy, joy,.... *BOOM*
Wallah, a new Democracy!
Sounds like a plan to me. I love the smell of melting sand in the mornings.
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It is funny how the scale of things changes principles.
There are lots of hand guns and rifles in USA, right? Is it not a threat when one's neighbour (maybe even of different ethnic origin or religion) buys one and brings it home... should he not be shot at latest at that moment... rather already when he says he is going to buy one??? :rolleyes:
What if he only bought it to scare away those he is afraid of? Maybe he didnt even buy ammo...
Weird? ... dunno.
However, I must say I dont like the growing nuclear threat either :confused:
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Growing, or glowing nuclear threat? :D
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Originally posted by BlauK
There are lots of hand guns and rifles in USA, right? Is it not a threat when one's neighbour (maybe even of different ethnic origin or religion) buys one and brings it home... should he not be shot at latest at that moment... rather already when he says he is going to buy one??? :rolleyes:
Good example. Let's imagine........
You are living in the little village near the wood. Every night wolfes are coming into village and stealing stock.
Your neighbor purchasing a gun for selfdefense. At this moment, is he dangerouse for you? Looks like no. Because he is defending his property. And you hope, that he will help you, if wolfes will attack your own farm.
And now let's look from wolfes position.... Who is more dangerouse? Sure, a man with a gun. Because he will kill you when you'll attack HIS PROPERTY.
Now I'll ask.
Why you are so afraid of the gun? May be just because of you are on the side of wolfes?
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Wolves eyeballing the bald monkey with the boom-stick.
Wolf1: "Hey.. WTF wuz that? That munkey mo-fo wit da stick just killed Charlie at 200 yards.. he didn't even get close to da chickens yet!"
Wolf2: " Whelp.. guess we're outta here till we evolve a nuclear navy or a space program. don't that suck. now we gotta pick on the coyotes, and they ain't got dick either."
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Thanks for the explanation Estel, however, it's just another islamic suicide attack, no? If they continue to fight a jihad, that is to say if we fight Iran, they will die in the name of Allah as the hijackers during 9/11 did, the bombers in Spain, and the countless suicide attacks in the Middle East.
For the record, I do not blame Russia for anything except things like the Cuban missile crisis, the Berlin wall, Korea obtaining MiG's, and other facts that can be proven. I love the Russians.:aok
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Originally posted by Bogie603rd
Iran succesfully tested an under-water missile that travels at speeds over 200 MPH UNDER THE WATER.:eek: Hmm... makes me want to think why they want such technology?
remember: only teh US is allowed to test/build/have such missiles!!11!!!
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Originally posted by nirvana
For the record, I do not blame Russia for anything except things like the Cuban missile crisis, the Berlin wall, Korea obtaining MiG's, and other facts that can be proven. I love the Russians.:aok
Me too. Just thinking about the joy and bounty brought to the world by the Soviet Union gets me all warm and fuzzy inside.
:aok
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I did not know that GhostFT. We should rule the world!!! Why we dinking around with that piddly sand mound!! Let's go for broke!! Woot!
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nah..,, just cause we can blow up the whole world doesn't mean we should.
we'll spare the fiji islands.
only because they've already been bombed back to the stone age.
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Like they say, you can't bomb the Middle East back to the stone age because they are already there.
P.S. I like Russia, the Soviet Union is a whole different animal....or is it?:D
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boroda I think I know where your coming from. As I was growing up in the 60s, 70s and 80s...your soviet union was the most powerful enemy my country has ever faced and indeed a truly great and awesome superpower. The USSR had an incredible amount of influence in my country back in those days. Today look at you guys :rofl Your Russia is just an afterthought now....as long as you guys keep you nukes packed away tightly in grease you will be ok. Just let us rule the world until we can find a way to get China and India into a War with Iran and Pakistan....then you guys can come out and play :D
j/k of course...Im a peaceful sort :cry
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Originally posted by Nilsen
So Iran is not a real threat then
Iran is as much a threat to us militarily as Denmark. Iran's threat is to Israel. If they develope a nuclear capability and use it against Israel, they will touch off a nuclear holocaust in the middle east.
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Don't mess with the Danes. Get 'em annoyed and they'll go all viking on yer ass. The gnashing of teeth and clashing of shields, rowboats in yer sauna's and everybody gets a capital one card...
..a fate worse than death.
Don't mess with the danes.
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Hey Boroda:
Ekranoplan. The word I needed. TY.
Anyway I think they are nuts in Iran, and should be spending their bucks on something completely else.
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Anyway...a part of the nut-shell:
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TEHRAN (Reuters) - Iran successfully tested a "super-modern flying boat" on Tuesday and the land-to-sea Kowsar missile that military analysts say is designed to sink ships in the Gulf, state media reported.
The tests came in the middle of Gulf war games that started on Friday. Iranian state radio said the Kowsar could evade radar and that its guidance system could not be scrambled.
The Defense Ministry was not immediately able to give details of a "flying boat" that was shown on television.
The small propeller-driven aircraft floated on a trimaran hull until it took off and flew low over the surface of the water. State television said it could reach speeds of 100 knots.
"A super-modern flying boat was successfully tested in the 'Great Prophet' war game in Persian Gulf waters," state television said.
"Because of its hull's advanced design, no radar at sea or in the air can locate it. It can lift out of the water. It is wholly domestically built and can launch missiles with precise targeting while moving."
An aviation web site showed the vessel shared features with WIGE vehicles, known to Russians as ekranoplanes.
Earlier in the war games, Iran said it had tested a radar-evading rocket and the Hoot (whale) underwater missile which could outpace any enemy warship.
On Monday, Iran's Revolutionary Guard test-fired a torpedo it said was being mass-produced in Iran.
State television said another missile would be tested on Tuesday afternoon."
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Sounds like a plan to me. I love the smell of melting sand in the mornings.
Then there's the added benefit that once the sand turns to glass, it'll be easier to pump out the oil:D
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Originally posted by nirvana
Is 7,500 yards far enough away to get away from the nuclear blast if they so choose to go that route? Or is it just Dying in the name of Allah again?
I'd like to see the Iranians try to get Anything in their arsenal within 7500 meters of any American warship in the gulf.
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They'll get a Darwin Award.
Posthumous, of course.
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Originally posted by nirvana
Thanks for the explanation Estel, however, it's just another islamic suicide attack, no? If they continue to fight a jihad, that is to say if we fight Iran, they will die in the name of Allah as the hijackers during 9/11 did, the bombers in Spain, and the countless suicide attacks in the Middle East.
I wonder why you didn't mention terrorist attacks against Russia, including Buddenovsk maternity hospital in 1995, Moscow apartment bombings in 1999, Dubrovka theatre 2002 and Beslan.
JFYI, all this attacks were committed by people trained in NATO country, your ally: Turkey. Iran is completely on our side, unlike you and your allies.
Originally posted by nirvana
For the record, I do not blame Russia for anything except things like the Cuban missile crisis, the Berlin wall, Korea obtaining MiG's, and other facts that can be proven. I love the Russians.:aok
So, you blame Russia for preventing you guys from mass murders in the name of so-called "democracy", that's all.
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Yeah surely west Berliners would have EATEN all the poor easterns alive! :aok
:rofl
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Originally posted by Boroda
I wonder why you didn't mention terrorist attacks against Russia, including Buddenovsk maternity hospital in 1995, Moscow apartment bombings in 1999, Dubrovka theatre 2002 and Beslan.
JFYI, all this attacks were committed by people trained in NATO country, your ally: Turkey. Iran is completely on our side, unlike you and your allies.
So, you blame Russia for preventing you guys from mass murders in the name of so-called "democracy", that's all.
Ever hear of a place called Grozny?
It's usually associated with two other words that have been used together in the west quite a bit... RUSSIAN ATROCITIES
By rough estimate, it would take about 1.5 million more 'innocent' dead russians to calm those Chehkens down.
Here's another clue for yah, my gleefuly happy to have a new cold war commie martyr buddie... Iran is not your 'Friend', either.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
Ever hear of a place called Grozny?
It's usually associated with two other words that have been used together in the west quite a bit... RUSSIAN ATROCITIES
Atrocities? At least there's nothing like Abu Graib. And it's our own land, with insurgents and terrorists who could blow up my house in 1999, who attacked neighbouring republics, practice slavery and turned kidnapping into national business.
Hang, I asked many times on this board, how do you guys suggest to take a fortified city? Walking in with flowers in AK barrels?
Federal forces gave 2 weeks for unarmed civilians to leave the city, and then they started an assault according to Army regulations. Or you think that we had to send soldiers into the city without artillery and air support, like on New Year 1995? Thanks, no.
I don't think that your army of Mi Lay "liberators" should teach Russians how to take enemy cities.
When your "glorious" marines bomb El Fallujah with ball-bearing cluster bombs - it's OK, when they start an assault without letting civilians leave - it's OK, it's for Sacred Democracy, isn't it?
Originally posted by Hangtime
By rough estimate, it would take about 1.5 million more 'innocent' dead russians to calm those Chehkens down.
I don't understand what you meant by that, can you please repeat in other words? Maybe you mean that we should kill 1.5 million Chechens to compete with your achievements in Vietnam? Sorry to disappoint you, but the whole population on Chechnya in 1991 was 1.3 million, over 600,000 of non-Chechens had to run away when "freedom fighters" took power and started to rob, murder and rape according to their national traditions.
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***Newsflash***
United States & The USSR have done the exact same things, while both claiming the moral high ground.
History is written by the victors (and later re-written by liberal revisionists).
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To the original post, what an absolutely crap weapon. The latest Mk48 ADCAPs swimout, so by simply manuvering it away before going active, a snapshot down the launch bearing won't work. A nuclear warhead would have a reasonable chance of taking out the attacking submarine, but they don't even have those yet. Also, even if you wanted to make it a guided weapon... how would you? At 200kts, you won't even hear your own active sonar.
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Originally posted by Boroda
Atrocities? At least there's nothing like Abu Graib. And it's our own land, with insurgents and terrorists who could blow up my house in 1999, who attacked neighbouring republics, practice slavery and turned kidnapping into national business.
Let it go Boroda,Hang blindly hates us.....
He doesn't know about kidnapping Russian citizens that USED to live in Grozny.He doesn't know anything about people that received packages with body parts in it with a letter that said
"if you don't pay $ xxx you'll get your daughters head in the next package."
He doesn't even know that it has been going on for almost 200 years.
Of course he's never heard of
Aleksandr (Sergeyevich) Pushkin (1799-1837) and his novel
Prisoner of the Caucasus written in 1820!!!
About Chechnya's kidnapping Russians.
He hates every Russian,unlike him i don't hate Americans,i hate people like him.
I have a lot of great Yankee friends:)
Nirvana,Colt,Reacher,Rhino,m36 the list is endless,and i will not downgrade to his level.
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Originally posted by gofaster
How is this missile fired? From a fixed underwater base or from a submarine? Or some other platform?
When I saw the footage of it, it was launched off of a small square platform. I didn't see all of it, but it had the looks of the rear of a "fishing" ship.
It was placed horizontally on the launching platform. And when fired, launched forwards off the ship, dropped underneath water. It went down about 10 feet, came right back up, and 1 foot underwater, headed off straight at increasing speeds.
But... overall, I saw the footage and to me for the few seconds I saw the missile, looked like a "sidewinder" missile with a broader hull. That's what leads me to believe that it can propably be "locked-on" to a target.