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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Gunthr on May 04, 2001, 07:08:00 AM
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Will anyone hazard a guess as to what real world effects this may have on our country?
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This doesn't surprise me, as this country is one of the biggest violators of human rights.
As far as the real-world effects of this, we already experience it!
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Doesn't bother me a bit.
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maybe now we'll stop playing global cop
Eagler
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As always, a nice totally unsupported generalization from Blur that slams the US.
OK, Blur. Make the case. Let's see your supporting data.
Just be advised that when you're done detailing all the police brutality, discriminatory racial disparities in incarceration, abusive conditions of confinement, state-sponsored executions, violations of workers' rights, discrimination against gay men and lesbians in the military, and the abuse of migrant child farmworkers....
Then you will have to show how this makes the US "one of the worst" when compared to the long list of nations that are openly slaughtering either ethnic or religious minorities.
I think it's going to be a bit tough comparing the US "discrimination against gay men and lesbians in the military" to the ethnically inspired violence in Senegal's Casamance, the Great Lakes, the Horn of Africa, Guinea, and the Ivory Coast or perhaps the problem of fundamental rights to freedom of association, expression, and assembly being tightly restricted in North Korea, Burma, Vietnam, Afghanistan and China. Let's not forget East Timor, either. But, go ahead, I'd love to see you compare these.
Or perhaps you'd like to compare/contrast that with Russian forces' violations of humanitarian law in the Chechen war? Uzbekistan's unrelenting crackdown against political and religious dissenters?
Human Rights violations in Turkmenistan? Kazakhstan? Kosovo, Bosnia, and Tajikistan?
Torture remains common in Turkey; don't forget to compare that.
And the Middle East! Got to add those folks to the list! Algeria, Iraq, Lebanon, Yemen, Israel, the occupied West Bank and Gaza all feature the slaughter of civilians for ethnic/religious reasons. How's that compare to worker's rights in the US?
"The rights to freedom of expression and association were trampled across the region. There were no independent and critical local media in Saudi Arabia, Libya, Iraq, and Syria. In Tunisia and Egypt, the state-run broadcast and major print media were not open to independent or critical perspectives. Journalists were harassed, arrested, or imprisoned in Egypt, Iran, Morocco, Tunisia, Yemen, and areas under the control of the Palestinian Authority (P.A.), and the independent weekly La Nation remained suspended in Algeria. P.A. authorities ordered the closure of five radio and television stations between May 5 and June 2, and arrested Samir Qumsiah, chair of the Council of Private Radio and Television Stations, after he called for a thirty-minute broadcasting halt to protest the closures." Of course, no freedom of expression for entire populations isn't as serious as gay rights in the military, is it?
I look forward to watching you make your case, Blur.
Or are you just doing another one of your "drive by" anti-US generalizations?
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Why should U.S of A be in human rights commission ?
After all USA supports many countries which haven't heard such thing exists (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Blur:
Ah hell, not worth it........
P.S.
Who gives a crap about the UN "Human Rights Commission" anyway....
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You're right cabby, human rights are unimportant.
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Toad, US definition of "human rights" has nothing to do with my rights, your rights, anyone's rights.
The whole "human rights" hysteria started in mid-70s, when US forced the "human rights protection" into Helsinki agreements. They did it only to have another instrument of pressure against USSR.
A few years ago Zbignev Bzhezinsky stated it in public. "Who cared about that Jews and other Soviet dissidents! Our pressure against USSR and our propaganda was the only reason to include 'human rights' into Helsinki treaty. Noone ever seriously thought about human rights that time."
Later US used this newspeak concept many times to approve mass kills and plain agression. I have to admit that American propaganda is much more effective then Soviet. Even people like you and Cabby, who probably understand the real reasons for American politics, sometimes are victims of this constant brainwashing. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
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Didn't those damned commie/socialists invent human rights, cabby?
I'm sure you can add it to your great list of 'wrongs' perpetrated against the divinity that is capitalism.
We've had homosexuality added to that list, totalitarianism and now organisations that support the proliferation of basic human rights.
Such a broad church of things to hate! I don't know where you find the time, I really don't.
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Too bad, do we still get to pay for it though?
I would certainly hate for us to stop paying for UN programs.
Personally I think the UN complex in NYC would make an excellent parking lot.
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When did they put this thing in here and WTF is it for?
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Does this mean we get another recount?
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Boroda,
I'm sorry but I think you had better discuss Human Rights with Blur and Dowding. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I'm sure they can explain all of it far better than my poor skills would be able to do so.
If you are focusing on the Chechen comment, please do not. That riff was basically summarized from a Human Rights website. It's not MY work.
I'm not very good at understanding how "discrimination against gays in the US military" is some how a greater evil than government sponsored slaughter of people with a different religion. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
I guess it's worse not to make First Sargeant because your gay than it is to die because you are a Christian in a Muslim country or a Muslim in a Christian country.
And this just in at this Human Rights website:
http://www.hrw.org/press/2001/05/unvote0503.htm (http://www.hrw.org/press/2001/05/unvote0503.htm)
"Several countries with poor human rights records should not have been voted onto the United Nations Commission on Human Rights, Human Rights Watch said today.
Joining the 53-member commission today were Sudan, Uganda, Sierra Leone, and Togo, among others, to a three-year rotating membership. These countries will join Syria, Algeria, Libya, Saudi Arabia, and Vietnam, all countries with very poor human rights records elected to the commission last year.
"This is a rogues' gallery of human rights abusers. A country's human rights record should be the single most important factor in whether or not it joins the commission. An abusive country cannot honestly pass judgment on other abusive countries."
Joanna Weschler
U.N. Representative of Human Rights Watch"
Thank goodness they got those US rouges out of there though! ROFLMAO!
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The thread title looks like a copy of a thread about the same thing in the Arstechnica Soap Box forum.
Funny.
'Course, if I investigate I'll bet they are both based on the same article that has an oddly familar title. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Originally posted by StSanta:
You're right cabby, human rights are unimportant.
Human rights are important, the UN "Human Rights Commission" is crap. It is just an attempt to superseed national souverenties with some imaginary UN laws.
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Originally posted by Dowding:
Didn't those damned commie/socialists invent human rights, cabby?
You are surely jesting my dear friend. What a great example of a dry English humor. Monty Python at it's best.
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I'm rarely serious these days, mietla. I'm extraordinarily lazy and it takes effort to make a serious point.
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Originally posted by Boroda:
Later US used this newspeak concept many times to approve mass kills and plain agression. I have to admit that American propaganda is much more effective then Soviet. Even people like you and Cabby, who probably understand the real reasons for American politics, sometimes are victims of this constant brainwashing. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
Only brainwashing I see is that "US rule" (zipped (tm)) attitude going on in the media.
and of course some of those favorable speeches of congress to approve some war actions.
I do still remember that one guy who was filth mouth and then after asking him where he lives, he responded "USA and proud of it!", which after response was "like I thought"
He did get the trick anyway, since he went "doh" and understood the point. (now he actually started to behave)
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Britain shouldn't be on any human rights commitees either. Europe has just ruled we violated the rights of several IRA men by shooting them, thereby denying them the right to life.
The IRA attacked a police station using a mechanical digger with a huge bomb in the shovel. They detonated the bomb, then opened fire with AK47s. The SAS men who shot them didn't give these heavily armed men, in the process of trying to murder any survivors of their bomb, a proper opportunity to surrender (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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That's not the point of the ruling Nashwan.
The ruling is that the incident was not investigated properly.
Frankly, they deserved everything they got - they did not surrender when challenged and open fire instead.
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Okay, stepping back from anything even involving the US for a moment.
Does anyone actually think having Human Rights resolutions voted on and presided over by a slave state, several dictatorships, etc is a step in the right direction? What kind of a joke has it become?
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Fatty,
Who better than the foxes to watch over the hen house? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Nah, Sun. Let's make it a casino. Or maybe it could be Bill Clinton's new office? Too small for Hilary, unfortunately.
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never mind God Bless America
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