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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Furball on April 07, 2006, 06:36:42 PM
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CT will begin as a campaign that focuses on the long range bombing campaign of the U.S. 8th Air Force vs. the Luftwaffe. As CT development advances, more campaigns will be added covering a wide variety of theaters and time frames.
Okay... seeing the above these are the aircraft i think would be great...
B17E/F
B24D
P47C
FW190 more A series
ME210/410
ME110 E/F series
What do you think we need for an 8th Airforce Scenario?
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B17E/F
B24D
:aok
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P-47C
In fact the first P-47 combat claim in WETO was made by Blakeslee (1 190, unit unknown. In fact JG , the 190 unit that was in combat with these P-47s, suffered no losses. 15 FW 190A-4s II./JG 1 were engaged in combat with P-47s. 14 returned unharmed and 3 kill claims, 1 190 was forced to land due to engine troubles.) while flying P-47C. 3 P-47C were lost:
Capt. Stanley Anderson P-47C 41-6407 (luftkampf mit *190s)
Capt. Richard McMinn P-47C 41-6204 (luftkampf mit *190s)
Lt. Col. Chesley Peterson P-47C 41-6414 (eng trouble..?)
*5./JG 1 Ofw. Ernst Heesen claimed 2 Thunderbolts
One other pilot of II./JG 1 claimed 1 Thunderbolt
Some will argue that as the D variant with water injection came into service the remaining P-47C were upgraded as well. But we already have a D-11 (which can stand in for a D-4 etc...), we don't need the 'upgraded Cs' we need the early C for the opening phases of the tour. These had less range and no ADI.
Also, I should note neither the P-47D-40 nor the P-47N saw any use in the WETO. So for the CT 8th AF tour there are just 2 P-47s (D-11 und D-25) that actually belong. However, I am sure HTC will squeeze in the other two.
I don't care anything about the bombers or twin engine aircraft. Except maybe adding a B-25...
For the 8th AF tour in the CT the Luftwaffe could use 3 planes.
Either a 109G-6/AS, or G-14/AS, or proper G-10.
The G-14 in AH was a welcomed addition but the G-14 has a FTH of only 16400Ft. Since the 8th AF tour will consist of escorts and bombers the fights will be higher then 16400ft. As such the LW is in need of a 109 to fill the gap between the G-6 and K-4. I had argued before the 109 update that Pyro / HTC should consider keeping the the G-10 but with a modified performance to match real life G-10 performance figures and then adding the K-4. The old AH G-10 performed just like the current AH K-4. A proper G-10 would have a top speed of 426 mph or so but a higher FTH then the current G-14. It could then sub for a G-6/AS or G-14/AS.
The other two aircraft I think are needed for the 8th AF tour are a Fw 190A-3 or A-4. The 190s engaged with those P-47Cs above were most likely 190A-4s. The 190A-5 had one of the lowest production runs of all the 190 A series. In all honestly if HTC added an A-3 or A-4 and an A-6 they could get rid of the A-5. However, what's the point of getting rid of a plane if its already modeled? The only meaningful difference between an A-5 and A-6 is that the A-6 had 4 x MG151/2cm instead of 2 x MG151 and 2 x MGFF. The MGFF in AH is the weakest of the 2cm, even weaker then the Type 99 MK 1 (tests done against ground targets). The A-5 only carries 60 rpg of MGFF (in fact it could 90 rpg, the 90 round drum was the same size as the 60 and fit into the same space). The A-6 would be a much better bomber killer with its 4 x MG151 then the A-5. Performance wise the A-6 and A-5 would be practically identical.
So in my opinion:
P-47C (no ADI upgrade)
Bf 109G-6/AS; or G-14/AS; or proper G-10...
Fw 190 A-3/4
Fw 190A-6
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Originally posted by Furball
What do you think we need for an 8th Airforce Scenario?
P-38F and P-38H.
P-51B redone with the Malcolm Hood and maybe the C even though it's identical to the B with the only difference being the C made in Dallas. Still, it did appear in large numbers along with the B.
ack-ack
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P-51B redone with the Malcolm Hood...
What is this..?
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/ahhelp/models/images/p51b.gif)
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
P-38F and P-38H.
P-51B redone with the Malcolm Hood and maybe the C even though it's identical to the B with the only difference being the C made in Dallas. Still, it did appear in large numbers along with the B.
ack-ack
Ermmm p-51 b has the malcom hood now.
Bronk
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
P-38F and P-38H.
P-51B redone with the Malcolm Hood and maybe the C even though it's identical to the B with the only difference being the C made in Dallas. Still, it did appear in large numbers along with the B.
ack-ack
Gah you beat me to it. :furious
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Yeah thats what we need. I am all for a few more Luftwaffe aircraft but regardless of what CT/ToD begins as with the ETO; AH2 still needs more Japanese, Soviet and Italian planes.
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Originally posted by Reschke
Yeah thats what we need. I am all for a few more Luftwaffe aircraft but regardless of what CT/ToD begins as with the ETO; AH2 still needs more Japanese, Soviet and Italian planes.
One or two more Japenese, Soviet or Italian planes still won't give you a plane set that can sustain a Pac / Ost front Tour. With just a few additions to the LW and Ami plane set you pull off a well rounded tour. Plus these planes have use else where in other theaters / maps and/or tours.
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hey dudes what about a B25 it would be nice to be ableto take off from a cv and bomb the crap out of ppl.
CATFISH6
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Originally posted by ujustdied
hey dudes what about a B25 it would be nice to be ableto take off from a cv and bomb the crap out of ppl.
CATFISH6
Yeah, that happened ONCE.
You want broomsticks instead of guns for that also?
Lets stick with what makes a good overall fight, not a one-off mission.
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Originally posted by ujustdied
hey dudes what about a B25 it would be nice to be ableto take off from a cv and bomb the crap out of ppl.
CATFISH6
Talking about ToD here.
am i right in thinking no B-25's were in the 8th airforce? they were mostly in the 9th?
if you wanted to include the RAF's raids, you could add the Mitchell for them to use.
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Originally posted by Bruno
So in my opinion:
P-47C (no ADI upgrade)
Bf 109G-6/AS; or G-14/AS; or proper G-10...
Fw 190 A-3/4
Fw 190A-6
i get the impression that ToD will jump into mid-1944 raids and bypass the late 1942 / 1943 raids - judging by the current planeset.
I didnt think we needed any more 109's as it appears they are pretty much covered, but now you have suggested it i agree on the AS. I do think we need another twin for the LW just to add some variation, i think a 410 would be ideal.
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instead of adding new varients of planes we have we should be adding more plane types overall.
just my view of course, but it does seem than alot of this post would simply give us more choice of what we already have.
A p47 D11 can substitute for other 47s far better than an FM2 substitutes a brewster buffalo or a ju88 replaces a betty.
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
instead of adding new varients of planes we have we should be adding more plane types overall.
with aircraft that were in production for a long time in wwii, different variants are as good as having a new plane type.
e.g. difference between a Spit I and a XVI.
i am talking about a list of aircraft to make ToD historically accurate, balanced and fun.
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i get the impression that ToD will jump into mid-1944 raids and bypass the late 1942 / 1943 raids - judging by the current planeset.
No what they will do is same thing they do for events, scenarios and ToD. They will say its mid '43 and the LW will get G-6s and the Allies will get D-11s etc...
Pyro has said the plan was to go from mid/late 43 to the end...
The plane set is almost there to cover it. I dunno why they added the P-47N, except for the kewl factor it did nothing for the CT. A P-47C would have been perfect. I dunno why they didn't add an A-6 when they re-did the 190s. It's the same model as the A-5 and same performance, just MG151s in the outer wing (like the A-8 can carry).
The G-10 would have been the exact same model as the K-4 with just an FM tweak to bring more in with a real G-10.
The only other thing was an A-3/A-4.
I doubt we will see any of the planes mentioned. However, with just a little more work the plane set would be just about set for an 8th AF CT. Now we will see make believe substitute roulette (just pretend its a P-47C etc...).
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It seems ridiculous we are going to have B24J and B17G's for the duration then. We are going to have absolutely no variation in bombers. (maybe the difference between a 24D/J 17F/G is mostly cosmetic, but i think it would make a big difference to the 'immersion' factor).
Maybe they have made them and they are holding them back for CT. :D
(http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/app1/b-17f.jpg)
(http://www.ww2incolor.com/gallery/albums/U-S-Air-Force/b_24d_s.sized.jpg)