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Help and Support Forums => Technical Support => Topic started by: DamnedRen on April 08, 2006, 06:29:21 PM
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Ok, my new computer is up and running. I got everything loaded in it and it seems to be running fine. Until I get into AH2. I can get to the runway and she locks up with a reset of the computer required to get going again.
Here's what I'm working with.
Via chipset P4 3.4 GHZ CPU w/800 FSB (FSB prolly means diddyl to AH2)
1 GB PC4200 DDR2 (533 RAM - 2 sticks of 512)
SB Live Sound Card (for the game port)
ATI 9800 PRO AGP Video Card.
Im running XP Pro SP2.
Game setttings are 1024X780 with 512 vid textures.
FR shows 85 in the tower.
Online or offline makes little difference.
So far I've found I had the on board sound (realtek) and SB Live running at the same time. I went into the BIOS and turned of the on board sound.
I did a "run" and went to dxdiag. In there I turned sound accel down to 3/4 speed. Did a sound/vox check all is well. I had heard SB Live might need an update/patch. I'll talk a look on Creatives support page.
Hmmmm, I wonder if I'm getting an on board vid/ATI vid card conflict. I'll go have a look at that, also.
Ideas?
Thanks,
Ren
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Try changing the video textures to 1024. Video texture was giving me weird problems at 512 in my most recent machine. You may also want to try changing other video settings (such as the memory preloads) and see if they make a difference.
Regards,
Malta
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try 128 textures with sliders about half way in the game and vsync on, AA 4x, and AF off(programm pref), limit FR to 60 - u don't need anymore
with textures at 128, you can preload them into video memory on the ati 9800 (128 meg ram)
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Thanks for the help. Will try some changes and see what happens.
Actually, I just pulled every card out of the PCI slots and tried firing up the game with just the video card plugged in to make sure its not some sort of sound card/driver issue. I also unistalled the programs. I have dx running at 3/4 and got the freeze again. I think I have dx9.0c installed and it might not be the correct version? If its not Im wondering how to unistall it. I thought they did away with possible uninstall options.
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I think 9c is the latest
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Yes, I think you're right but it might also be 64bit which I'm not quite sure is AH2 compatable. Not sure.
Thanks
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Was your configuration working before it started ?
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Originally posted by DamnedRen
Via chipset P4 3.4 GHZ CPU w/800 FSB (FSB prolly means diddyl to AH2)
1 GB PC4200 DDR2 (533 RAM - 2 sticks of 512)
SB Live Sound Card (for the game port)
ATI 9800 PRO AGP Video Card.
Im running XP Pro SP2.
Game setttings are 1024X780 with 512 vid textures.
FR shows 85 in the tower.
Online or offline makes little difference.
So far I've found I had the on board sound (realtek) and SB Live running at the same time. I went into the BIOS and turned of the on board sound.
Hmmmm, I wonder if I'm getting an on board vid/ATI vid card conflict. I'll go have a look at that, also.
Ideas?
Ren, as I mentioned in the emaillist, we both have nearly identical setup except for the pentium vs my AthlonXP processor, and I have no trouble preloading the 512 textures on my ATI9800pro AGP card.......
you did not mention you also had onboard video integrated before, that could be causing a conflict....... also the update you mentioned regarding the SB live soundcard.......
I use the 4.12 drivers for my card, no issues, I use only the gameport for my SB soundcard, and use onboard AC97 sound, my audiophile card is only used when I am playing around with cubbase/protools etc...... is disabled the rest of the time......
check your voltage to your videocard? make sure your powerplug is getting a solid conection to the 9800 pro vid card......?
make sure you have integrated video disabled , and make sure you do not have any unnecessary registry entrys for the integrated video, that would conflict with the ATI agp card.......
It worked before, so try and check your directx version, to confirm if it is the 64bit version or the 32bit version, was not aware of this during the email discussion , as well.......
as for y 75mhz refresh, that is what my Monitor allows as default for that resolution 1024x768, I can tweak it, but I see no difference in 80 or 85....... I was not saying set your refresh to 75 as I have mine there.
as for 512 and preloading mem, I have no issues, and if I recall you had no issues either in the past.......
hope we can help ya get it all straightened out ( sure we can, simplest things are most overlooked ones ) :)
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If ya can't get in the game, at least check out the Films section Ren.
Threads called "Carrier Sortie" .
You are a movie star.:D
Thank you for helping and showing me a few things about CV landings.
About your problem.
I would be doing the same thing you're doing right now.
Then I'd go for a reformat and only install the minimum hardware necessary to run AH.
One time I went through 7 motherboards because I found them to be incompatible with my various hardware. Harddrive wouldnt be seen, video not coming up, sound would not work at all, stuff like that. I finally said screw it and bought the 2nd most expensive motherboard fry's had.
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Thanks, Kermit....
Every thing works absolutely perfectly cept getting in the game.... ARGH!!!
Right now I'm thinking it has to do with the ATI or DirectX drivers. Everything is out of the MB. Heck, i don't even know if it has anything to do with hyperthreading. I turned it off to checck...no change. Still troubleshooting....
Eventually, I'll get to the films and have a looksee. I'm glad you got the film up. Weren't you doin it for yer squadies?
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Hmmmm, more checking and I'm finding out I get screen freeze when I do a "run-dxdiag" and get into the dx test windows. Anytime I ran any of the test's I'd immediately get a screen freeze and full lockup. I gather it has something to do with the latest version of it. I heard you can't remove dirextX but also heard there is an uninstall program. Maybe I need to get an older version?
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I'd do a reformat if possible. Maybe directx9c didn't install correctly. Maybe a reinstall of directx is first if possible. If those dont work, maybe a vid card exchange is next.
Film was about me and a squaddie winging together.
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see what happens when you vulch yer buddy! lol..srry ren,cant help you with this .i am a technological caveman.hope you get it straight tho because i now need yer help with trackir.got it yesterday and love it.once i got the puke cleaned up from my lap everything is 95%hunky-dorry.S~ to you ..good luck.brick
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brick32....other than taxes and RL work I'm working feverishly to get back online. If I don't get it by Saturday I'll relight the old Dell for the weekend...
I have the trackIR3 Pro. Did you buy the 4? Mine works fine except for flyin in my reclining rocker. You need to get some sort of stationary seat so your head moves to look around the seat back iso the seat. :) That was the only short coming I've noticed with it. You HAVE to be able to peak around the seatback.
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Originally posted by Eagler
try 128 textures with sliders about half way in the game and vsync on, AA 4x, and AF off(programm pref), limit FR to 60 - u don't need anymore
with textures at 128, you can preload them into video memory on the ati 9800 (128 meg ram)
Eagler, thanks. I reread your note and remembered I havn't used AA in 10 years as my system looks fine the way its always been :)
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Ren,
you find or figure out a way to revert back to the other directX 9 ( for 32 bit apps )? not the 64 bit version? think that's what you said you installed, maybe that is the problem?
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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
Ren,
you find or figure out a way to revert back to the other directX 9 (for 32 bit apps )? not the 64 bit version? think that's what you said you installed, maybe that is the problem?
That's what I plan to work on when I get up in the morning. I have to work another swing manana then I'm off until Tuesday. Saturday morning I meet with a buddies kid to give him a pep talk for his aircraft dispatachers practical test. He's a Sr in Middle TN and is nervous about it. He'll do fine. But, that will take up the better part of the morning. Then I get back to trying to figure out how to remove that directx version.
I also figured out the hyperthreading technology makes the cpu think its 2 seperate cpus. wonderful....But I can turn that off.
Im surprised Skuzzy hasn't chimed in with any ideas.
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Ren, if you are having problems when you start the DX diagnostic program, you've already found what you need to fix. Its going to be 1 of 3 problems: corrupt DX files, bad video driver, or bad sound drivers (or possibly just a very confused Direct X if you havent been properly uninstalling drivers in between taking things out and putting them back in).
What I would do is uninstall your drivers for video and sound. If you dont plan on using the onboard sound, then disable it and put your soundcard in that you plan to use. Uninstall the drivers. Download and run this program:
http://www.drivercleaner.net/
It will clear out all the references to the drivers in your registry and in Direct X and clean it all up for you, nice and neat.
Reboot.
Install drivers (4.12 catalyst drivers for the ATI card) for video and sound.
Go to Microsoft's website and download and install a new copy of Direct X 9.0c here:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=0A9B6820-BFBB-4799-9908-D418CDEAC197&displaylang=en
Reboot.
Run Direct X diagnostic program, and run the video and sound tests. If it passes with no problems detected, move on. Set sound hardware acceleration to 3/4 just to be safe. You can always turn it back up later.
Go to your video card's control panel and make sure your AA and AF are set to application preference.
Go to the AH folder and delete your video configuration file. Probably unnecessary, but why have to go backwards? AH will automatically pick up the card again and rebuild the file.
Try AH again. If you still have a problem at this point the only thing I can suggest is to delete AH and reinstall it from scratch.
Good luck.
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Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
Ren, if you are having problems when you start the DX diagnostic program, you've already found what you need to fix. Its going to be 1 of 3 problems: corrupt DX files, bad video driver, or bad sound drivers (or possibly just a very confused Direct X if you havent been properly uninstalling drivers in between taking things out and putting them back in).
What I would do is uninstall your drivers for video and sound. If you dont plan on using the onboard sound, then disable it and put your soundcard in that you plan to use. Uninstall the drivers. Download and run this program:
http://www.drivercleaner.net/
It will clear out all the references to the drivers in your registry and in Direct X and clean it all up for you, nice and neat.
Reboot.
Install drivers (4.12 catalyst drivers for the ATI card) for video and sound.
Go to Microsoft's website and download and install a new copy of Direct X 9.0c here:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=0A9B6820-BFBB-4799-9908-D418CDEAC197&displaylang=en
Reboot.
Run Direct X diagnostic program, and run the video and sound tests. If it passes with no problems detected, move on. Set sound hardware acceleration to 3/4 just to be safe. You can always turn it back up later.
Go to your video card's control panel and make sure your AA and AF are set to application preference.
Go to the AH folder and delete your video configuration file. Probably unnecessary, but why have to go backwards? AH will automatically pick up the card again and rebuild the file.
Try AH again. If you still have a problem at this point the only thing I can suggest is to delete AH and reinstall it from scratch.
Good luck.
Thanks for the help. I thought I needed to uninstall DX9 and not over write it. I can overwrite that program? Other than being at work I've been looking around the net for an unistall program....The good news is I'm off until Tuesday so I can get something working.
I grabbed the drivecleaner program but it doesn't appear to do DX, right? Just the sound and vid drivers, I think. Thanks again.
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Right. The only Direct X removal tool I've ever seen only worked on Win9x. It wont work for XP.
And yes you can overwrite Direct X.
Basically by overwriting it you are making sure you have no corrupt files, and also making sure DX picks up the newest registry entries for your video and audio drivers properly. Windows is bad about leaving behind all kinds of crud in your registry and bits and pieces of driver files on your hard drive, and Direct X can sometimes still point to invalid files or registry entries after changing hardware or drivers.
I'd highly recommend you run a registry cleaner as well, if you havent ever run one, but the basic scenario I outlined above should be enough to get you cleaned out and working properly.
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Thanks, Happy Easter....
Ya know what's amazing is I just loaded up a brand new winxppro, updates and all the MB's associated drivers. I plugged in my video card, and sound card along with it's drivers. DirectX was loaded. Then loaded up AH2. That's all that's in this computer....Sheeeeeeeeesh!
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Maybe one of the drivers was corrupted? Or the DX download? My SB Live! sound card had corrupt drivers on the CD it came with. Frustrating as hell trying to figure that one out.
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ren,where the hell are ya?been lookin for you.hope everythings good.S~
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Originally posted by COBA94
ren,where the hell are ya?been lookin for you.hope everythings good.S~
Hi Brick :) . Still working on the new computer. I was up over the weekend in the MA and TA using my old Dell. In fact, I used it with the ATI 9800 Pro Vid card I'm trying to get working in the new cvomputer.
So far.....
It's interesting to note the card works fine in the Dell which also uses the same operating system; WinXP Pro servpak2. The Dell is 2.6 ghz. New cpu is 3.4 ghz and Ihaven't overclocked it...yet :).
I reloaded the DX drivers, I tried Omga drivers,ATI 4.12 drivers, the latest ATI drivers.
No help.
I even tried turning off one the cores....no help.
It's being stubborn but I'll get her up and running soon!!!!
Ren
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i wish i could help you,but,as my dear sweet grandmother Mary used to say;"spit in one hand,wish in the other..see what you get."lol.hope to see you soon bro.
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Originally posted by COBA94
i wish i could help you,but,as my dear sweet grandmother Mary used to say;"spit in one hand,wish in the other..see what you get."lol.hope to see you soon bro.
Thanks. I got a old buddy from way back aw days (Fool) who is gonna let me try out his 800 gt (or whatever the vid card is) to see if I can get it working in my new box. If so, I'll just buy one of those and keep on trucking. Hopefully, he'll bring it in to work tonight and I can plug it in tomorrow morning as I'm still workng swings, Tues-Fri's for the next 6 weeks or so. Then I move to Mon-Thurs, swings for a month or so. I really hate working Fridays....:)
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if youre interested,i have a nvidia 5200 you can have.done with it.its not the best but its only 6 months old.if so e-mail yer address and ill get it to you pronto.S~
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baarag@aol.com
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I'm actually in the same boat. I just upgraded my old FX5600 to a GeForce 7800GS OC by BFG. Figured I'd go for the last bit I could get out of my SK8N AGP board and the FX-51 processor before I retired it and build a new machine with SLI and PCI-E.
I get to the runway, sometimes get to take off, when all of the sudden the game locks up and the sound starts looping. At that point it'll usually go to a blue screen with an NV4_disp.dll error. I've cleaned out my registry and re-downloaded DX 9.0C and made sure I had the latest Bios and NVidia drivers, but still nada. Weird, cause I can plug in my FX5600 and the game will run.
Maybe I'll disable the onboard audio and go pick up a sound card to see if that helps. No idea what to do at this point...like the OP I have a Realtek onboard sound chip.
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I found my problem so I can at least share it with you.
A buddy has an ATI AGP X800Pro card which he yanked out of his computer and let me borrow.
I pulled out the ATI 9800Pro and yaned all the drivers. then stuck in the new card. I then stuck in his original CD that came with his vid card. I let it load all the drivers and even the hydravision stuff. On restart I immediately went to the game and NO PROBLEMS! Nothing, Nada, Nix!
Ok so now I know for a fact I have good drivers loaded for ATI cards. I removed the X800 and stuck the 9800 back in. I restarted and went into the game and got a freeze on game start.
Conclusion....I think the card is getting a bit worn out for years of continuos hard use. I think the game is not only CPU intensive but very hard on the vid card. The ATI 9800Pro works perfectly well for normal computer use but can't handle the load the game requires. My son-in-law is just bought a Dell 24 inch flat screen monitor which arrived Friday. His old viewsonic 21 inch crt died. He had a GeForce 2mx in his Dell so I gave him the 9800 today and it works perfectly.
If you can use another card to check drivers to make sure all is compatable you might find the answer....
Hope this helps.
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I found my problem so I can at least share it with you.
A buddy has an ATI AGP X800Pro card which he yanked out of his computer and let me borrow.
I pulled out the ATI 9800Pro and yaned all the drivers. then stuck in the new card. I then stuck in his original CD that came with his vid card. I let it load all the drivers and even the hydravision stuff. On restart I immediately went to the game and NO PROBLEMS! Nothing, Nada, Nix!
Ok so now I know for a fact I have good drivers loaded for ATI cards. I removed the X800 and stuck the 9800 back in. I restarted and went into the game and got a freeze on game start.
Conclusion....I think the card is getting a bit worn out for years of continuos hard use. I think the game is not only CPU intensive but very hard on the vid card. The ATI 9800Pro works perfectly well for normal computer use but can't handle the load the game requires. My son-in-law is just bought a Dell 24 inch flat screen monitor which arrived Friday. His old viewsonic 21 inch crt died. He had a GeForce 2mx in his Dell so I gave him the 9800 today and it works perfectly. Dell appears to be having almost weekly sales on their big flat screens. I think he got his for $650. Im sure they're too slow for oour game but it will certainly suit his needs.
If you can use another card to check drivers to make sure all is compatable you might find the answer....
Hope this helps.