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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: ramzey on April 09, 2006, 09:10:33 PM
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I linke to buy one of this babies, but as for beginer is tuff choice.
I find in local store this one
http://h1070845.hobbyshopnow.com/products/description.asp?prod=PKZ1500
my question is, should i go with this one or buy separate 4 channel radio, battert-charger pack and model.
If i should go what brand/model of radio i shouls buy (cheap and good)
Im not sure i can use servo from this kit to other plane when i trash it
My goals are :
-electric
-it have to be non-LW wardbird (best for me would be P51b/C, but i cant find one)
- plane should have aleirons , elevator and rudder control
- total cost should close between 250-300
any advices are welcome
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I don't have any answers to any of your questions but I think you just led me to a new hobby. Probably an expensive one. Thanks alot for that :mad:
:aok
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As everyone will tell you, if this is your first RC airplane, do NOT buy a warbird.
Buy a trainer aircraft, and get someone experienced to teach you!
Flying an RC is not like flying a game like Aces High. RC is very differant, and you will crash your first plane, probably more than once.
The flight modeling of a warbird takes experience to handle, and this means RC experience.
If you are determined to buy a warbird first, better you send me the money, as you are wasting it either way, and this way nobody gets hurt and no property gets damaged.
RC flying is fun when you get some experience and can reasonably expect to land in once piece.
dago
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Originally posted by Dago
and no property gets damaged.
Now sir, what is the fun in that? :D
Seriously though, I take it that if this warbird is $179 a trainer's gotta be alot less - that is good. I might not have to be so mad at ramzey. Any suggestions on a model? Summer's coming up :)
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This place has 2 P-51bs on it. (http://hobby-lobby.com/scalelec.htm)
I want to see the first flight!:D
this one seems real cool, 4 blade prop, it would be cool to build as a static (http://hobby-lobby.com/p51b-oldcrow.htm)
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yes i was thinking about trainer first
but with yaw, pich, rudder and roll control, thats why i ask for advice about radio, its better to buy radio and then trainer thern warbird
or
buy a kit, move radio and servos to much less expencive plane, then move it back to warbirds
$$$ resources are very importand
GtoRA2,
yes you can film if you bring anti AA weapon:) M14 is good enough:)
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Lol, my brother came up for a visit and he and I just came back from two hobby stores yesterday looking at this very same plane. After looking at it in person and watching online video of it in action he was sold. He's going to order the FW190 as soon as he gets home.
Dago is right about not getting a gas powered warbird as your first RC plane, but this one is a slow park flyer and so falls out of the "don't buy first" category. I really don't think you'll have any trouble with it. Spare parts are easily available at many hobby store that carries these ParkZone planes.
You listed rudder control as a requirement. Just so you know, these are three channel, throttle, ailerons and elevator. No rudder.
Here's some video of it in action:
http://h1072147.hobbyshopnow.com/ProdInfo/Files/Parkzone_P-51_D_Mustang_320x240_bb.wmv
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That's not bad, but you won't be able to fly with any wind because of the lack of rudder, not to mention that you'll be limited in what you learn.
Consider something like http://www.hobbypeople.net/gallery/160522.asp (a Simple Stick) that you can finish with full 3d controls.
I haven't flown in years, but I'm about ready to pull one of my Zagi's down from storage in my garage. I've got a couple, a slope glider and a speed 400 electric. I'm thinking of converting the glider to a dual ducted fan and decorating it to look like a Ho-229 Gotha, and I've also thought in the past about putting some light weight trike gear on my shuttle themed speed 400 Zagi.
(both are flying wings, built for combat. You try to knock the other guy out of the sky, good stuff).
...but then again, there's that damn real plane I'm working on.
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This one can't be that hard to fly. Stuka love baby!
http://hobby-lobby.com/stuka.htm
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ok, so separate parts
at start i would go with model Chairboy link its cheap and fit to my needs
then swich to P51b
what radio i should buy?
any 4 channel radio or its special for electric planes? how about ebay or only in store for guarantee?
i assume motor is included in allmost any kit
what else?
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Ahh, I didnt look close enough to see it was an electric aircraft.
Probably be fun, but again I would still recommend an experienced flier to help you start.
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Motors aren't necessarily included. That link that Chairboy posted looks like a decent starter from the webpage, although I've never seen one in person. Check out the "items needed" page for all the little stuff to buy (it adds up) - things like servos, motors, batteries, and speed controllers.
Foam = big plus. Foamies can take crashes. My Zagi (a flying wing foamie) has full-power augered from 50 feet at nearly 90 degrees and survived with only a few dents. That kit says you don't have to cover with tape, but I would. Tape covering aids visibility, can help directional orientation if you make a distinctive pattern, and adds strength and durability to the foam.
Electric = big plus. Don't have to screw with fuel/air mixtures, humidity, glow plugs, messy fuel, and all that other crap. I learned to fly with a .40 glow fuel trainer, then moved on to electrics in college. I'll never go back to glow fuel.
Any 4 channel radio will serve you well if cost is an issue. I have a Futaba 4 channel radio that still works fine after 10 years of on-and-off use.
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Definately go with a trainer first, but don't expect it to be any cheaper than a hotter model unless you buy really crappy parts. A lot of people buy a a cheap radio to go in their first trainer and not only are they disappointed with the radio as they learn, they still end up buying a better radio when they get their next model. Too cheap is just as bad as too expensive... Try to buy mainstream good quality stuff and you'll probably be ok.
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Make sure you have really good liability insurance. Hit someone/something in the park and you will be in the poorhouse.
Noob RC fliers and people don't mix. There is an advert on the the TV here that has a beserk electric plane terrorizing a park.
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In the US, a good source for that insurance is the AMA (American Modelers Association). Most RC parks will demand it, and it's pretty cheap.
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Hi
Yr best bet is to start of with a trainer , Hobbly Lobby have a nice little flier called the wing dragon , it's electric throtle rudder and elevator controls , is easy to set up and flies nice , you can do basic areo's with it loops and such .Cant remeber how much it costs but is very cheap you get everything you need in the one box .
Get used to that , if possible go to your local club and get an instructor to watch over you .
Have fun
...oh and by the way welcome to the hobby ....yr wallet will never look the same again :)
GOOD LUCK!
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Originally posted by Chairboy
In the US, a good source for that insurance is the AMA (American Modelers Association). Most RC parks will demand it, and it's pretty cheap.
Yes AMA RC parks but not the little park down the street.
Most countries have their model associations which give you insurance.
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Ask Hangtime:aok
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Originally posted by MiloMorai
Yes AMA RC parks but not the little park down the street.
Most countries have their model associations which give you insurance.
Righto, like I said, "RC parks", not parks in general.
Having the insurance is a fine idea no matter where you fly, especially if there's any chance you'll come to mishap. Hitting a car, person, or house without coverage can be expensive.
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I have a coupla suggestions, too;
http://www.hobbyzonesports.com
Has a series of excellent trainer packages, at very good prices (all under $200). These are complete, fly-out-of-the-box setups, including the radio! No "extra options", no "accessory packages", etc...
They also have a couple different "learn-to-fly" options, like horizon sensing anti-crash systems, "mode" flight, etc... You can also upgrade them to carry a drop pod, a light pod or an ultrasound "combat" pod". Cool stuff.
Like others, I STRONGLY suggest you go with a trainer airframe, and not a warbird, no matter what they say. Need to get the feel without wasting your money...and nothing will turn you off so quick like spending a couple of bills, then watching the thing lawndart itself into so much scrap.
Also, Hobby-Lobby and Tower Hobbies are other good sources.
I, personally, would NOT start buying the "perfect" radio for the future, or top-of-the-line servos, or whatever, at this stage. Buy functional and inexpensive, from a reputable supplier. Learn to fly it and enjoy it for under $200, then move forward. Don't drop $500 on all the trappings and see it on the shelf by June.
Good Luck!
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Before you buy anything check out a local R/C club and see what they recommend...Find out what day they have flight school and talk to the trainers.
You buy a warbird before a trainer you will likely waste you money.
R/C is way harder than AH and some pilots would even say harder than flying full scale planes.
GL!!:aok
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Ramzey if you are considering this bird you may want to check out this post
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_3007882/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm , it has alot of good info. I have three of these, two stock and one with a brushless motor and dx6 radio. They are not a good first airplane. They are slightly underpowered in the stock configuration, they have no landing gear stock, and are guit a bit tricker to hand launch than most park flyers. The Parkzone J-3 Cub, although not as glamorous is a great first plane. You can check them all out at http://www.horizonhobby.com . They just released an FW-190, that I hope to be getting soon.
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I personally worked in an RC shop for over 8 years.
Starting with a trainer is a must, there is a huge learning curve.
You should get something .40 size minumum, electric or gas.
Buy your components separate. this way you can move them to new birds.
Radio should have dual rates (to make the controls more or less sensitive)
buy a high wing plane with flat bottomed wings, with dihedral (not flat, angled upwards) very stable. tricycle landing gear are best for beginners also, tail draggers are much harder to learn with.
Find someone to train you, you will learn much faster that way. get an AMA license(comes with insurance) and scope out a local field. They should have a training program or persons there that are willing to help you.
Pay great atttention to setting up the center of gravity.
Good luck man.
Shoulman
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Originally posted by Goomba
I have a coupla suggestions, too;
http://www.hobbyzonesports.com
Has a series of excellent trainer packages, at very good prices (all under $200). These are complete, fly-out-of-the-box setups, including the radio! No "extra options", no "accessory packages", etc...
They also have a couple different "learn-to-fly" options, like horizon sensing anti-crash systems, "mode" flight, etc... You can also upgrade them to carry a drop pod, a light pod or an ultrasound "combat" pod". Cool stuff.
Like others, I STRONGLY suggest you go with a trainer airframe, and not a warbird, no matter what they say. Need to get the feel without wasting your money...and nothing will turn you off so quick like spending a couple of bills, then watching the thing lawndart itself into so much scrap.
Also, Hobby-Lobby and Tower Hobbies are other good sources.
I, personally, would NOT start buying the "perfect" radio for the future, or top-of-the-line servos, or whatever, at this stage. Buy functional and inexpensive, from a reputable supplier. Learn to fly it and enjoy it for under $200, then move forward. Don't drop $500 on all the trappings and see it on the shelf by June.
Good Luck!
Yeah, I bought the Firebird Freedom last year, it's a good deal. Unfortunately I've only flown it once. I have the Real Flight simulator which I play with from time to time also. The thing with flying rc planes is that you have to have time for it. It's a whole ordeal, the weather has to be good, you have to be awake and off of work during daylight hours, then you have to drive 30 minutes out to a suitable location, and it sort of becomes a pain in the ass.
If you live in a city, you pretty much just have to wait untill you have some days off from work, and hope that the weather is good. Then you'll need to decide if that's what you want to be doing with one of your few nice afternoons away from work.
It's probably for this reason that I spend much more time playing with my tanks.