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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: RAIDER14 on April 11, 2006, 12:41:09 PM
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CNN (http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/04/11/iran.nuclear.ap/index.html)
its Iraq all over again but I think this will mainly be bombing campaign
(http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/images/iran-next.jpg)
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Nope. Nothing will be done until AFTER the blue cities go up.
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I say we turn Iran into a giant "glass bowl" that "glows in the dark". They are sitting there letting the UN (Hate the UN, but let me make my point) see it. Make no plans on changing their mind about it, and yet STILL nobody will take action?
That's dead wrong, and if we don't take action, someone will be dead... And not just 1 person!
Iran - Time to see the green.......:D
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...and if we do take pre-emptive action, it will be an act of war. We will give them their own "Pearl Harbor".
I'm going to have to figure out who it was that said it, but I heard this morning on the radio that the wargaming projections for an attack on Iran all end very badly. They also stated that it would only set Iran back 2-5 years on their development effort.
Time to think of some other way to motivate.
Personally, I'd rather the U.S. would simply state, "Build your weapons. You can hurt us, but we can destroy you. You have neither the technology nor the resources to wage war on a global scale. If you use these weapons in an unprovoked attack against anyone, we will destroy you in a like manner. We will not invade. We will not occupy. We will wipe your country, your families, and your children from the face of the planet. You will cease to be."
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Originally posted by Sandman
...If you use these weapons in an unprovoked attack against anyone, we will destroy you in a like manner. We will not invade. We will not occupy. We will wipe your country, your families, and your children from the face of the planet. You will cease to be."
though a dramatic, and hollywood-esque ultimatum, you know there is no republican or democrat who would actually authorize or go through with it.
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they will deliver nuclear technology to terrorist groups. There is no reason to think that will not happen. As long as they do not plan or in anyway participate in a terrorist nuclear attack, they (Iran) can and will convince themselves of their own purity. Against the great satan.
I would rather Iran be completely destroyed as a functioning society then to be allowed to supply any of the terrorist groups they fincance and support to perpetrate nuclear blackmail or holocaust on the west.
Unfortunately it wont happen, at least not until the world has seen a terrorist attack with an atomic weapon produced by Iran...by then it will be toolate to contain the retaliation to Iran. The Retaliation will be nuclear and it will be global.
Even the North Koreans have some will to live. The muslim mindset unfortunately has a well deserved reputation for commiting mass murder through suicide.
Thats what I see happening
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Originally posted by Mustaine
though a dramatic, and hollywood-esque ultimatum, you know there is no republican or democrat who would actually authorize or go through with it.
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Thats not true, and I am with Sandy on this one as well.
If a nuke made in Iran goes off in this country, it would be political suicide not to be for nuking the **** out of Iran.
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Originally posted by Sandman
...and if we do take pre-emptive action, it will be an act of war. We will give them their own "Pearl Harbor".
I'm going to have to figure out who it was that said it, but I heard this morning on the radio that the wargaming projections for an attack on Iran all end very badly. They also stated that it would only set Iran back 2-5 years on their development effort.
Time to think of some other way to motivate.
Personally, I'd rather the U.S. would simply state, "Build your weapons. You can hurt us, but we can destroy you. You have neither the technology nor the resources to wage war on a global scale. If you use these weapons in an unprovoked attack against anyone, we will destroy you in a like manner. We will not invade. We will not occupy. We will wipe your country, your families, and your children from the face of the planet. You will cease to be."
I'll agree but also add "If we find a nuclear signature of Iran on any terrorist weapon of mass destruction, you will glow". Yes, Nukes can be traced.
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I have a strong feeling that some of you guys are mentally not quite well. :( "To Belgrade! To Belgrade!!!" (c) Brave Soldier Schweik.
I am scratching the back of my head trying to remember what did Iran do so bad to the US after 1979. The only thing I remember is Iran-Contras back in the 80s, that admiral, Pointdexter was his name IIRC?...
Do you really think that you'll be allowed to act like international gangsters over and over again? Even now it's obvious that only nuclear weapons posession can guarantee other countries from "democratisation" by cruise missiles and carpet bombings, and sooner or later some kind of "coalition of the victims" will be formed, so that the sky will finally look sheepskin size for "new world masters"...
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sandman is saying the US must wait to be attacked with a nuclear weapon made in Iran before taking any action against Iran? That will cost how many american lives?
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
I'll agree but also add "If we find a nuclear signature of Iran on any terrorist weapon of mass destruction, you will glow". Yes, Nukes can be traced.
Rip, US bought almost all Soviet stock of enriched weapon-grade Plutonium, so I think now "Russian trace" may be easily found in US nuclear arsenal. I can see how you guys will traditionally hang all dogs on us...
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Originally posted by Yeager
sandman is saying the US must wait to be attacked with a nuclear weapon made in Iran before taking any action against Iran? That will cost how many american lives?
How do you think Iran will attack the US with nuclear weapons? How long ago did you look at the map last time?
And what do you think their reason for attacking US with nuclear weapons will be? What for?
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Ultimately boroda it will come down to a religious equation, iran and US as well as russia for that matter, will not be able to stop whats going to happen. You might as well accept it. Its written into the fabric of the cosmos and you wont be able to thwart the inevitable catastrophe.
Mankind will destroy itself me and you with it.
asked boroda: And what do you think their reason for attacking US with nuclear weapons will be? What for?
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They are going to act upon the will of God as they see it.
Iran will never attack the US directly nor preemptively....they will funnel the weapon(s) to their terror groups. What better way...
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Hi Sandy,
While I personally see a lot of wisdom in what you say, and I really do, there are some serious problems with it in real-world application:
If Iran develops working thermonuclear weapons, they already have Ballistic Missile systems capable of delivering them to Israel, which is the stated intention of their government. Therefore, the first warning that they have successfully developed a few working warheads might just be that Tel Aviv is now a radioactive hole in the ground. The Russians have provided them with schedules for when US Sattelites are overhead, so we might not even have the warning that the nukes are on their way provided by spotting "launch blooms." And what's the flight time anyway? 5 minutes?
Also, when making threats, as in "Nuke Israel and we'll anihilate you" one has to take the religious component into consideration. Iran is an Islamic theocracy, therefore the main aim of their government is not the temporal welfare of their people, but the advance of Islam and the conformity of their people to the laws of Islam. A threat therefore to turn Iran into a "nation of martyrs" and deliver most of their men immediately into paradise is actually less of a threat than a ideal. Additionally, they know such action would unleash a worldwide response from the Muslim world, including but not limited to a total embargo on oil exports and open calls for the umma to rise up in worldwide Jihad. If that doesn't alarm you consider this, if a few cartoons can produce worldwide rioting and mayhem amongst the umma, what do you think killing millions of Muslims will do?
So, the sit back and wait policy may only ultimately result in Millions of dead Israelis (and Arabs living in and around Israel) which would certainly be a repudiation of our "never again" promise. Waiting on the Iranians may only result in the total destruction of at least two countries, whereas an invasion of Iran would save Israel and Iran from destruction, but would tear the United States to shreds in terms of national and international politics.
So in this the US is: ROCK-----> USA <----- HARD PLACE
- SEAGOON
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Originally posted by Yeager
Ultimately boroda it will come down to a religious equation, iran and US as well as russia for that matter, will not be able to stop whats going to happen. You might as well accept it. Its written into the fabric of the cosmos and you wont be able to thwart the inevitable catastrophe.
Mankind will destroy itself me and you with it.
asked boroda: And what do you think their reason for attacking US with nuclear weapons will be? What for?
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They are going to act upon the will of God as they see it.
If you want to talk in terms of faith - I prefer Marxist concept of "inevitable historical progress", at least it is a substitute for rational thinking and common sence, unlike what you posted. I don't see how what you said fits into scientific approach. What you said is worse then Lenin's "Marx's theory is omnipotent because it's true".
You have to understand that religion and traditions only reflect the current state of social and economical development and nessessities. It is one of the really wise things that Marx said. US and Iran don't have anything to share, so I don't see any sane reasons for war. It's pretty obvious that Iran needs nuclear weapons to protect itself from "democratisation", they can do quite good without them - but there is a threat... "Will of god" is only another agenda for useless political rhethorics, nothing more, see above.
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Originally posted by Seagoon
If Iran develops working thermonuclear weapons, they already have Ballistic Missile systems capable of delivering them to Israel, which is the stated intention of their government.
Stated intentions seldomly correspond to real intentions. Like stated intention to save the world from Evil Saddam's WMD. Strange that you don't understand it. Iran and Israel have one common enemy: Arabs, I think it's quite obvious...
Originally posted by Seagoon
The Russians have provided them with schedules for when US Sattelites are overhead, so we might not even have the warning that the nukes are on their way provided by spotting "launch blooms." And what's the flight time anyway? 5 minutes?
Where did you get this information from?
I seriously doubt that Russia will do such stupid things. Look at the map: we may become a first target as well.
As for Israel - isn't it time for your country to mind your own problems?
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Yeager is actually Nostradamus in disguise. "Written into the cosmos". What a joke.
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Nothing will be done UNTIL and AFTER these weapons are used by whomever the Iranians choose to supply.
Boroda may see them as no threat at all until they are in Muslim Chechen hands and used against Moscow, for instance.
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Originally posted by Yeager
sandman is saying the US must wait to be attacked with a nuclear weapon made in Iran before taking any action against Iran? That will cost how many american lives?
Well, yes. It's historically accurate. A democratic society normally needs to be attacked to generate the political will neccessary for conflict. Precedents? Trade Embargos/Impressment, USS Maine, Pearl Harbor, Gulf of Tonkin, 9/11.
It costs alot of lives.
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Hello Boroda,
Originally posted by Boroda
Where did you get this information from?
Oh, that's right just start in with old-school NKVD interrogation questions eh? :)
[Kidding...]
I seriously doubt that Russia will do such stupid things. Look at the map: we may become a first target as well.
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Come now Boroda, considering RUSSIA BUILT THE IRANIAN REACTORS (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A14185-2002Jul28) which I would personally class as inconceivably more stupid than merely giving them schedules, how on earth can you make the above statement? Recently released documents indicate that Russia supplied Saddam with schedules for American spy satellites, why shouldn't we assume they would do the same for their clients next door?
- SEAGOON
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Alright, let me explain something. I'm looking at this from my point of view, but I hope we ALL will understand it.
Iran is building Nukes... we all know this, obviouslly they just enriched uranium which is a sign their getting closer to getting a real nuke. Their goal is to wipe "infadels" off the face of the earth and make it "clean" again. So, now lets look at a situation. Europe is already SACKED with muslims. I guarantee you, if they wanted to, they could sack all of Germany, all of France, and all of Italy right now if they wanted to.
How do I know, well... Let's look back at the political protest about that cartoon strip. For days there was rioting by muslims that went "un-controlled". That's not the only incident, they are trying to sack all of europe for their cause. Because an old town I used to live in located near Frankfurt Germany named Offenbach is already 95% muslim. When I went to school there, only 3 people were true germans. Everyone else was muslim except for 1 friend of mine who was greek.
Now another problem, the mayor of that city has literally DESTROYED IT. He shut down all methods of transportation that made the city attractive. He's destroying the cities' economy. And worst of all, the muslims are cheering him on to become "Chaunselor of Germany".
Now, lets take another look at the situation. Iran is getting nukes. My idea is that since Israel is the "stronghold" of the Christian and the Jewish faith. That will be their main target. But of course, if they attack a country with their weapons, America will react. So, how to fix this problem? Simple....
Step 1. We launch 1 nuke towards Washington DC.
Step 2. Launch a nuke towards NYC.
Now that america has been partially neutralized of being capable of making decisions. Lets just blow up Israel. Afterwards, the muslims realize this is the "sign" to "sack all of Europe". They rise up and start attacking the countries they live in. Take down all political leaders and make the countries their own. Woops... looky there, now they dont just live in the desert anymore. They have more territory to hide and to wage their war against the "infadels".
Once again, that's my point of view. I might not have it all correct, just that's how I see it.
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Originally posted by Seagoon
Recently released documents indicate that Russia supplied Saddam with schedules for American spy satellites, why shouldn't we assume they would do the same for their clients next door?
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You can do that yourself with an internet connection and a telescope. I'll see if I can dig up some articles on it for you.
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Originally posted by indy007
Well, yes. It's historically accurate. A democratic society normally needs to be attacked to generate the political will neccessary for conflict. Precedents? Trade Embargos/Impressment, USS Maine, Pearl Harbor, Gulf of Tonkin, 9/11.
It costs alot of lives.
Bingo. In addition to your points, we're it not for Fort Sumter, I doubt there would have been a civil war in this country.
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Well, why aren't we invading? You know, Axis of Evil, Weapons of Mass Destruction, 9/11, all that jazz. Or has Bush turned into some spineless, quivering, Amerihating coward?
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And, rpm, as I posted in the other Iran thread, it's ironic that in the old days, (you know, when Rumsfield went to Iraq and shook hands with Saddam, and we knew of his use of chemical weapons against the Iranians), we would have used Saddam's Iraq to counter the Iranians.
A little Islam on Islam action, and we'd have clean hands as well.
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lets reel ourselves back into the 21st century and the reality of nuclear proliferation at the hands of islamist facists....
what would a 20 kiloton atom bomb do to the site of fort sumter today? what would happen to charleston (population 101,024) and the surrounding community today?
Would our president sacrifice those americans for confirmation if he knew ahead of time that they would become targets eventually, or would he act preemptively to save those lives?
I want my President to act on behalf of the safety of the american people. We are here to stay.
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im not usually a fan of the gun-ho american attitude to things like this, nook this, nook that, blow it up, shoot this guy, bomb this, but i think in this case iran really has it coming, hard!
im certainly not a big fan of all these islamic extremist countries, really makes me mad sometimes, all the things they do.
on another note, over here in the UK, apparently, 70% of british muslims believe that britain should become a muslim state and be goverened by full islamic law:rolleyes: an MP said to them; 'you dont like it, go some place else!'
made me laugh and yelp with joy for a few mins. all this political correctness is driving me mad:rofl
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What cha gunna do when they come for you?
What will happen when they vote in Sharia in Jolly Olde?
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The U.S. probaly won't do a Nuclear strike probaly just some F117s with bunker busters and B-52 bombing and then the ground troops
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Originally posted by RAIDER14
The U.S. probaly won't do a Nuclear strike probaly just some F117s with bunker busters and B-52 bombing and then the ground troops
The question is though, what ground troops? I'm of the opinion that if we send our army in from Iraq they're all of a sudden going to find a hellstorm in their rear. A tactical nuclear strike really might be our only option, at least without significant military help from other nations (even if they'll only agree to hold the rear/peacekeep Iraq while we're gone).
I still say something has to be done. Ok, so there weren't WMDs in Iraq. But, suppose there were - I'm pretty sure either Saddam or one of his cronies/successors wouldn't have had a big problem with a little under-the-table action to a local terrorist connection. Now here we see Iran, who has actually admitted to being on the way to having a nuclear capability. The same rules should apply.
I was under the impression that the main reason (and, yeah, like everything else, there are others, sometimes not talked about) that Europe was so against our invasion of Iraq was that they felt (quite correctly) that we hadn't proven they had WMDs. Here we have a country flat out admitting to working towards them (ok, so they "say" for peaceful means).
I hope Bush is working 'round the clock on this one - we need to act fast. But, I also hope that we'll make a more concerted effort to get some help from Europe and others on this matter. Our attempt at that for Iraq just seemed like we were simply going through the motions.
Nonetheless, like Seagoon said, Rock/USA/Hard Place. This is going to be one interesting century.
Anyway, just my take.
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Hi Raider,
Originally posted by RAIDER14
The U.S. probaly won't do a Nuclear strike probaly just some F117s with bunker busters and B-52 bombing and then the ground troops
The problem with that scenario is that any strike on an active reactor inevitably becomes a Nuclear strike. To take out Iran's Nuclear capabilities via a series of conventional strikes would create a lot of little Chernobyls throughout the country with all the attendant fallout and widespread radiation poisoning. There is also no way we could prevent the wind from carrying contamination to surrounding countries, including Iraq with all of its US personel.
Additionally, those strikes would inevitably provoke a state of war between the US and Iran, provoke an Opec Oil Embargo and put the worldwide Jihad into top gear. It wouldn't be a one time strike kind of thing. The thing to do would have been to prevent them from building reactors in the first place. But with friends like Russia and Pakistan...
In any event, strike Iran and you have a World War with Islam, and I don't believe we have the stomach for that (then again I have serious doubts whether we have the stomach for much more of the limited war either). So what's left? Wait for Iran to develop several A-bombs and pray they don't actually nuke Israel? I'm not a bookie, but I can't see them not using them since from their position its a win-win proposition. As much as I hate to say it, at this point I think it will take the development and use of a nuke by Iran to galvanize America and the West to commit. The best case scenario might be the Iranians attempt to nuke Israel and the Patriot and Arrow systems shoot down the missile in flight. But that's an awfully big gamble.
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Originally posted by indy007
Well, yes. It's historically accurate. A democratic society normally needs to be attacked to generate the political will neccessary for conflict. Precedents? Trade Embargos/Impressment, USS Maine, Pearl Harbor, Gulf of Tonkin, 9/11.
It costs alot of lives.
Interesting to note that there are doubts over whether two of those mentioned were actually attacks.
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Originally posted by Toad
Nothing will be done UNTIL and AFTER these weapons are used by whomever the Iranians choose to supply.
Boroda may see them as no threat at all until they are in Muslim Chechen hands and used against Moscow, for instance.
Chechen hands?! Are you kidding? Iran fights Moslim extremists in trans-Caucasus, they, together with Russia, supported Armenia in a war against Azerbaijan, they don't host Chechen leaders like US and UK and they don't train and give medical treatment to Chechen terrorists as Turkey (NATO member).
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Originally posted by Seagoon
Come now Boroda, considering RUSSIA BUILT THE IRANIAN REACTORS (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A14185-2002Jul28) which I would personally class as inconceivably more stupid than merely giving them schedules, how on earth can you make the above statement?
"How do I spell - Iran or Iraq?" :D
There were rumours about General Staff providing sat recon information, including take-off times and ETAs to Yugoslavia in 1999, and I hope it is true... Shame that Yeltsin and his gang didn't have the guts to ship modern SAMs to Yugoslavs.
Saddam is quite another story.
As for the reactor - 90% of all the media hype we see now is a simple matter of copetition for Iranian nuclear contracts. Officially competitors are Russia and France, but I doubt that US will refuse from such a deal if it was offered. You guys have a big history of such deals, just remember how much of German industry was owned by US companies during WWII. It's capitalism, you guys seem to seriously believe that it's good for everyone.
Originally posted by Seagoon
Recently released documents indicate that Russia supplied Saddam with schedules for American spy satellites, why shouldn't we assume they would do the same for their clients next door?
I think it's obvious: one head is good, but two are better. We are much closer to Iran, and we shouldn't deny the possibility of lauch against us. I am 100% sure that any detected launch anywhere will be immediately reported to all nuclear-capable countries and possible targets. Just as any undeclared US ICBM launch now will be immediately reported to Iran, while our Strategic Missile Corps will run the launch preparation sequence.
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Originally posted by Pei
Interesting to note that there are doubts over whether two of those mentioned were actually attacks.
I am especially interested in a number of US casualities in a Tonkin Bay accident :rolleyes:
And wasn't it proven that USS Maine was blown up from inside?... :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Boroda
It's pretty obvious that Iran needs nuclear weapons to protect itself from "democratisation", they can do quite good without them - but there is a threat...
Yes we see just how well it protected the Soviet state from
"democratisation":aok
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I am especially interested in a number of US casualities in a Tonkin Bay accident
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they were all killed by yellow russians in north vietnam uniforms.
And wasn't it proven that USS Maine was blown up from inside?.
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Yes, russian spies infiltrated the US navy and set off explosives inside.
At least thats what my history book said.....
russians are the ones trying to incite Iran into war. russians are the reason the world is in trouble.....always been that way. We need to bomb russia before they bomb us....
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Yes we see just how well it protected the Soviet state from
"democratisation":aok
It still saves us. I just came to work from the street and didn't see occupational army patrols, and in my life I heard air-raid sirens only during civil-defence trainings.
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Originally posted by Boroda
It still saves us. I just came to work from the street and didn't see occupational army patrols, and in my life I heard air-raid sirens only during civil-defence trainings.
Last time I checked. Doesnt your country now practice a more democratic form of government?
You even honor us with your own version of our 4th of July(How sweet of you)
National holiday: Independence Day, 12 June (1990)
We dont have to occupy you. Your occupying yourselves
Face it. The soviet era is gone, history, see ya, aloha, adios,adieu, adios, arrivederci, auf wiedersehen, au revoir, bye, bye-bye, cheerio, good-by, goodby, good-bye, goodbye, good day, sayonara, so long
And your nukes ddint stop or save you from it;)
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Last time I checked. Doesnt your country now practice a more democratic form of government?
You even honor us with your own version of our 4th of July(How sweet of you)
National holiday: Independence Day, 12 June (1990)
We dont have to occupy you. Your occupying yourselves
Face it. The soviet era is gone, history, see ya, aloha, adios,adieu, adios, arrivederci, auf wiedersehen, au revoir, bye, bye-bye, cheerio, good-by, goodby, good-bye, goodbye, good day, sayonara, so long
And your nukes ddint stop or save you from it;)
"Independance day" was celebrated as a day since when nothing depends on us :)
Now it is oficially called "Russia's day" or whatever - I don't care. Idiotic holiday.
About "more democratic form of government" - I don't care. I don't worship "democracy" irrationally as a sacred idol.
We didn't get bombed. Thanks to our nuclear weapons. That's all. Current regime isn't completely bought by the enemy, only for maybe 50%.
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Anyone consider the "Underwater-cruise-missile" and this nuke.... Although its rather slow... makes me wonder why they want both an underwater missile and nukes. Their ready for war, they realize no matter what the world does it will work against them. The only thing the world can do is wait to be attacked before they can attack.
Iran is obviouslly going to use that to it's advantage to attack strong countries capable of invading Iran and capturing the entire country. Also, those hundreds of tons of enriched Uranium. How much is required to make 1 nuke?
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Originally posted by Bogie603rd
Anyone consider the "Underwater-cruise-missile" and this nuke.... Although its rather slow... makes me wonder why they want both an underwater missile and nukes. Their ready for war, they realize no matter what the world does it will work against them. The only thing the world can do is wait to be attacked before they can attack.
Are you speaking about the US?
Originally posted by Bogie603rd
Iran is obviouslly going to use that to it's advantage to attack strong countries capable of invading Iran and capturing the entire country. Also, those hundreds of tons of enriched Uranium. How much is required to make 1 nuke?
Hundreds of tons?
So far they got some ore "enriched" to 3.5%. It's not even enough to make heat-emitting elements for nuclear power stations.
Do you also know that they badly need more electricity? Or maybe US will some day declare that other nations using electricity are a direct threat to American interests? What's next, fire? wheel?
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There will NEVER be a US president who srikes with nuclear weapons. Its political suicide. The main job of any politician is to get elected again, if they were to use nukes they would never see public office again.
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nukes are a big nono, for everyone really...
but iran, and certainly it's leader really needs to be sorted out. of course, you could always do it the british way, and instead of blowing stuff up and attacking the entire country like the americans always do, you could just make sure the president of iran and all of his islamic extremist members of cabinet die of 'natural causes'.
nothing a good assassin cant do better than an entire army, and you dont have the big fight, both politically and physically that a full-on invasion causes. if you do it right, the iranians may not even realise the guys are being assassinated
lol, dont i sound like some crazy terroist bastard now eh? lol
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Originally posted by Iceman24
There will NEVER be a US president who srikes with nuclear weapons. Its political suicide. The main job of any politician is to get elected again, if they were to use nukes they would never see public office again.
Bush can't get re-elected.
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The only way I could ever see Bush authorizing the use of a nuclear weapon offensively (not in retaliation) would be in a critical moment of threat threshold, where failure to do so would result in hundreds of thousands, or millions of american lives lost in a single terrorist event. In a situation like that there can be no other alternative.
Keep in mind Bush only has little more than two more years left. I dont see a big Iranian threat buildup in that time, only the potential to build a few crude bombs....
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Originally posted by Seagoon
Hi Raider,
The problem with that scenario is that any strike on an active reactor inevitably becomes a Nuclear strike. To take out Iran's Nuclear capabilities via a series of conventional strikes would create a lot of little Chernobyls throughout the country with all the attendant fallout and widespread radiation poisoning. There is also no way we could prevent the wind from carrying contamination to surrounding countries, including Iraq with all of its US personel.
Additionally, those strikes would inevitably provoke a state of war between the US and Iran, provoke an Opec Oil Embargo and put the worldwide Jihad into top gear. It wouldn't be a one time strike kind of thing. The thing to do would have been to prevent them from building reactors in the first place. But with friends like Russia and Pakistan...
In any event, strike Iran and you have a World War with Islam, and I don't believe we have the stomach for that (then again I have serious doubts whether we have the stomach for much more of the limited war either). So what's left? Wait for Iran to develop several A-bombs and pray they don't actually nuke Israel? I'm not a bookie, but I can't see them not using them since from their position its a win-win proposition. As much as I hate to say it, at this point I think it will take the development and use of a nuke by Iran to galvanize America and the West to commit. The best case scenario might be the Iranians attempt to nuke Israel and the Patriot and Arrow systems shoot down the missile in flight. But that's an awfully big gamble.
The problem with the radiation blowing to Iraq can maybe be solved by giveing our troops radiation suits and installing led in the buildings and the U.S. might be able to stomach a second Cold War after all we kinda won the last Cold War and We are thr most powerful Country on the planet
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Originally posted by Iceman24
There will NEVER be a US president who srikes with nuclear weapons. Its political suicide. The main job of any politician is to get elected again, if they were to use nukes they would never see public office again.
What about a second term president?
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Originally posted by RAIDER14
The problem with the radiation blowing to Iraq can maybe be solved by giveing our troops radiation suits and installing led in the buildings and the U.S. might be able to stomach a second Cold War after all we kinda won the last Cold War and We are thr most powerful Country on the planet
So were the Romans.
I think Iran will get into a military confrontation with the US sooner rather than later I don't think however it will be under W's reign. I do think however it'll be soon in '09. That's my suspition, cus they need a whooping. Now however the outcome would be somewhat different,since it's a large country, and I do believe the US will have to invest heavily in building its ground forces once again. This while leaving big expensive projects for other armed forces branches either cancelled or cut.
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Originally posted by Boroda
I am 100% sure that any detected launch anywhere will be immediately reported to all nuclear-capable countries and possible targets. Just as any undeclared US ICBM launch now will be immediately reported to Iran, while our Strategic Missile Corps will run the launch preparation sequence.
Look at it this way, you can prep all the missiles you want, but with corroded guidance systems, you are more likely to blow yourselves up then provide any accurate payload placement in the US.
Face it, your days as a super power are long since gone.
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Ahhh this thread takes me back to the 80's, cold war hysteria, yanks and russkies going at it, Red Dawn, songs about hot looking Soviet border guards....
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Interesting reading here as well as the other doomsday thread.
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Originally posted by Bodhi
Look at it this way, you can prep all the missiles you want, but with corroded guidance systems, you are more likely to blow yourselves up then provide any accurate payload placement in the US.
Face it, your days as a super power are long since gone.
Perhaps our
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Originally posted by Bodhi
Look at it this way, you can prep all the missiles you want, but with corroded guidance systems, you are more likely to blow yourselves up then provide any accurate payload placement in the US.
Wanna test it yourself? Every month or so we have test launches with warheads hitting 10m target circles at Kamchatka.
Originally posted by Bodhi
Face it, your days as a super power are long since gone.
I don't care, and I think that your leaders don't share this point of view, otherwise, if they will be sure that there will be no retalliation strike - they'll launch all they can at us in a matter of minutes.
We are immune to "democratisation" by "humanitarian bombings" and cruise missiles, and in the last 5 years Russia follows independant policy, unlike previous gand of puppets controlled from DC. That's probably why your brass-hats are so annoyed.
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Look at it this way, their point of view they want America to die. Their main objective will be to cripple us, and then slowly pick us off. After we're downgraded in defenses and tactical oppertunities (Since obviouslly nobody wants to use a nuke) Iraq will then go on a rampage to sack the world.
They have already sworn that if the US invades, they will sink the oil ships that supply america with it's oil addiction! And them having that new under-water missile. I believe it! So, face it. We either invade and lose our oil products courtesy of the iranian 200 MPH under-water-missile. Or we turn Iran into a giant glow-in-the-dark glass bowl and drill down to the oil easier!
Wait, doesent the idea we had in here earlier mentioning snipers sound good? Would fix part of the problem!
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Originally posted by Bogie603rd
...Iraq will then go on a rampage to sack the world.
:rofl
This thread is a classic! :aok
asw
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Originally posted by Bogie603rd
Look at it this way, their point of view they want America to die.
Do they? I thought they want America to stop it's aggressive policy in the Middle East and stop threating to invade another independant country. They look at their neighbour and see some reasons to be a little paranoid.
Originally posted by Bogie603rd
They have already sworn that if the US invades, they will sink the oil ships that supply america with it's oil addiction! And them having that new under-water missile. I believe it! So, face it. We either invade and lose our oil products courtesy of the iranian 200 MPH under-water-missile. Or we turn Iran into a giant glow-in-the-dark glass bowl and drill down to the oil easier!
Please, define it to yourself, if they want you to die or they simply plan some actions if their country will be invaded.
Underwater missile! OMG, I am scared! I can see US govt evacuating Arizona because of this horrible threat to use jet-propelled torpedoes. You guys have much more reasons to worry because of this torpedoes then evil Iranians worry now about being turned into a "giant glow-in-the-dark glass bowl"! At 200MpH this horrible torpedoes will reach US in no more then 96 hours!
I really don't know if you guys are scary or funny.
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Originally posted by Boroda
Do they? I thought they want America to stop it's aggressive policy in the Middle East and stop threating to invade another independant country. They look at their neighbour and see some reasons to be a little paranoid.
Have you seen the footage of the Iranian president talking about their weapons? When the camera switched to the crowd.. The majority are holding signs reading "Death to America"
Originally posted by Boroda
Underwater missile! OMG, I am scared! I can see US govt evacuating Arizona because of this horrible threat to use jet-propelled torpedoes. You guys have much more reasons to worry because of this torpedoes then evil Iranians worry now about being turned into a "giant glow-in-the-dark glass bowl"! At 200MpH this horrible torpedoes will reach US in no more then 96 hours!
Hmm... did I mention the homeland or the Oil Ships? Read what it says for once.... THE OIL SHIPS! And it's not a torpedo... It's a fuel powered missile. I saw the footage, and I know what I saw.
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Boroda, why do you hate democracy so much , do you really think it's a bad thing for a people to elect their own government? Do you fear freedom that much?
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Wonder if radioactive oil will give ya any extra ooomph? Probably charge more for it the bastages. ;)
Originally posted by Bogie603rd
Look at it this way, their point of view they want America to die. Their main objective will be to cripple us, and then slowly pick us off. After we're downgraded in defenses and tactical oppertunities (Since obviouslly nobody wants to use a nuke) Iraq will then go on a rampage to sack the world.
They have already sworn that if the US invades, they will sink the oil ships that supply america with it's oil addiction! And them having that new under-water missile. I believe it! So, face it. We either invade and lose our oil products courtesy of the iranian 200 MPH under-water-missile. Or we turn Iran into a giant glow-in-the-dark glass bowl and drill down to the oil easier!
Wait, doesent the idea we had in here earlier mentioning snipers sound good? Would fix part of the problem!
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Originally posted by Boroda
if they will be sure that there will be no retalliation strike - they'll launch all they can at us in a matter of minutes.
Isn't going to happen.
Besides, It is much better for both countries to get along with each other.
The Russians and the Americans don't have a 15th century religious view where it's Gods will to kill yourself and and any other who disagrees with you. The Imams just want power like any politician. They just use religion to get it.
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I really don't know if you guys are scary or funny.
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are you serious?
get it?
:rofl
I would prefer scary funny :aok
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I don't care, and I think that your leaders don't share this point of view, otherwise, if they will be sure that there will be no retalliation strike - they'll launch all they can at us in a matter of minutes.
Boroda even if Russia were completely defenseless the US wouldnt launch it's nuclear arsenal at you. :)