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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: nark on April 11, 2006, 01:06:33 PM
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A bit confused on this:
last night I started to notice that even after I had shot wings of off 2 seperate planes, people were still content to shoot the scraps of the body as it spiraled down to the ground...so I guess kills are based on total dmg inflicted even if the plane is mortally wounded?
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i think so. One time I had a 109 and filled all 3 buffs with every bit of ammo I had. someone came by and shot them down, and I got credit for all 3 kills since I guess either i did the most damage or something like that
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the issue is not the damage model so much as the tards who steal kills that are clearly in no state to fight on.
nd unfortunately it happens alot, my advise is to hold your shot a little longer and pump the canopy full of lead too, I try to make sure i pop the melon on all my kills, simply because in a large furball some people steal kills as a hobby.
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Guess I replied without really reading, oops. What can you expect from a ball of meat anyway? :)
I had a few stoled from me, but once they do on purpose I will chase them around and steal their kills or try to have them killshoot themselves on me. Maybe I will be as great as NathBDP one fo these days :D
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wasnt meaning to sound hostile there if i did meatwad, just that not more than a few days ago i landed 9 kills in a spit8 when my goal for one sortie (no reload) was 10. reason i only landed 10? my last 100 rounds of MGs i took off a zeke's tail after a close turn fight 1 on 1, only to see a fellow knight dive from 7k above us and shot the hell out of the zeke as it floated down. that just sucked, took alot of restraint not to ball the guy out on range.
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Originally posted by nark
A bit confused on this:
last night I started to notice that even after I had shot wings of off 2 seperate planes, people were still content to shoot the scraps of the body as it spiraled down to the ground...so I guess kills are based on total dmg inflicted even if the plane is mortally wounded?
it's called kill stealing.
kind of like shooting a parachute. fun for some, annoys others.
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all the more reason to join and fly with a close nit squad
btw has anyone ever downed a plane with a pistol from a chute :) ?
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Other people are just that desparate for kills so they can get a round of WTGs and their name in lights.
While it's an amusing game we play within our squad, it does suck mightily when it happens the rest of the time. I'm lucky to get 1 kill a night, and losing that rare trophy to uber133tb34r or some other clown isn't exactly my favorite thing.
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People do this all the time, and you can't stop them, cause it's a video game. Last night I ripped a guys rear off of his plane he's floating for 500 ft. and someone comes in and swoops him, tears off his wing and I got an assist out of it.
So beat them to the punch, when I shoot someone down I'll just lace into them until they explode. This way I ensure I got the most bullets in the guy.
Sucks cause you run out of ammo faster, but I don't land 4 assists as often as i used to for guys I shoot down.
JMFJ
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
wasnt meaning to sound hostile there if i did meatwad, just that not more than a few days ago i landed 9 kills in a spit8 when my goal for one sortie (no reload) was 10. reason i only landed 10? my last 100 rounds of MGs i took off a zeke's tail after a close turn fight 1 on 1, only to see a fellow knight dive from 7k above us and shot the hell out of the zeke as it floated down. that just sucked, took alot of restraint not to ball the guy out on range.
You probably would have gotten the assist anyways. 100 rounds of .303s, I don't think, have what it takes to separate the empanage from a Zeke. Someone might have weaken him sooner ... hence you might have just gotten an assist.
Just trying to make ya feel better about it ... :D
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
Other people are just that desparate for kills so they can get a round of WTGs and their name in lights.
While it's an amusing game we play within our squad, it does suck mightily when it happens the rest of the time. I'm lucky to get 1 kill a night, and losing that rare trophy to uber133tb34r or some other clown isn't exactly my favorite thing.
:t all your killz, are belong 2 me !!! :t
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kind of like shooting a parachute
I live to chute shoots !!!!
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A guy in a chute is the only thing that hasn't shot me down....yet
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Kill stealing get used to it or you will go mad and turn into someone with 1000 bullitin board posts. trust me on this
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Couple of nights ago I see one of our guys chasing a bad guy and who was about to be killed by another one behind him. So I throw him a check 6 and dive on the bogey sneaking up on him.
I take off the ememy's wing and the plane is spiralling to the ground. My "team-mate", who couldn't catch the guy running from him, then follows the plane I shot off his six to the deck shooting madly the whole time. He gets the kill I get an assist.
I wrote down his hande.
No check 6 next time for him.
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Yes this is always great. The other night I uped an F4U4 and killed a 109 then I went after a 190D filling him with lead but he was still running. Sooooo stupid me I go chasing him down and get HO'd by a N1K and my wing pops off. This in it's self not so bad. It was my mistake the N1K sould get the kill but I look back and what do I see as I spiral into the water but 3 other rooks spraying like hell at my wingless bird. All 3 were just holding the trigger down for all they were worth lol.
I thought this was just a sad and stupid thing to see.
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Welcome to AH.
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Originally posted by nark
all the more reason to join and fly with a close nit squad
btw has anyone ever downed a plane with a pistol from a chute :) ?
Don't Join the squad I am in. They steal more of my kills then anyone else...LOL...
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Killstealing is just 'flying smart' same as making one feeble pass on something 10k below you then running back to nearest green base.
Eventually the MA will be just 1 guy circling over a green base at 45k in a dora/p51 with an IQ of 4394.
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it's a tightrope.....leave that wounded bird alone and get *****ed out by your buddy when it shoots him down just before exploding....:noid
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oh come on Hondo, I havn't stole a kill from you all month :cry NOW if it's SHawk i'll dive right in :D
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this wasn't so much of a problem until the whordes became the prevailing way. When I played, I flew a Yak and as such, had to be very sparing with my limited ammo loadout. killstealing of already spiraling planes was just one of the staws that broke my poor camels back. I've been lookin at a new camel, one with a reinforced back-
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I was falling to earth once & had a guy dive into me in a lame "chute-shoot" & I got a hit on his plane with my .45! I tried to hit the pilot...I have no idea whether I did or not as I was in the tower milliseconds after that but it was satisfying to see the sprite knowing I got a hit.
Now don't think I'm all against shooting a guy in a chute...I used to get really ticked off about it ( it seemed like a petty thing to do & a waste of ammo ) but, I understand why someone would do it now. The red icon can get confused with other enemy cons that are still in the fight & they can give check 6's. After a squaddie of mine pointed that out to me I kinda felt stupid for getting aggravated about it.
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Originally posted by nark
A bit confused on this:
last night I started to notice that even after I had shot wings of off 2 seperate planes, people were still content to shoot the scraps of the body as it spiraled down to the ground...so I guess kills are based on total dmg inflicted even if the plane is mortally wounded?
Easy one -
Kill is awarded based on 'weight' of rounds put into him.
For e.g - If a 20mm cannon round = 3 x 50 cal rounds.
You put 10 x 20mm into him and take his wing off.
On the way down someone put 31 50 cals into him, he would get the kill.
Easy maths -
1 : 3
10 : 30 - But he put 31 50cals (1 extra) into him therefore he gets kill.
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What happens whey ya shoot the chute? You get a kill message? Or does it just dissapear?
:huh
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As long as his prop spins, he still carries the message. :P
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the kill stealing tards are hte lowest common denominator in this game... I don't mind much when the people I know/like steal my kills (mostly the BK's ::cough furball cough:: :furious ).. I still ***** and moan, tho, mostly for the sake of *****ing and moaning. What pisses me off is when SUPERACE125123 swoops in from 15k to spray the hell out of a flaming wreck with his typhie so he can get his name in lights. That's when I wish killshooter wasn't on.
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Originally posted by Kev367th
Easy one -
Kill is awarded based on 'weight' of rounds put into him.
For e.g - If a 20mm cannon round = 3 x 50 cal rounds.
You put 10 x 20mm into him and take his wing off.
On the way down someone put 31 50 cals into him, he would get the kill.
Easy maths -
1 : 3
10 : 30 - But he put 31 50cals (1 extra) into him therefore he gets kill.
Actually it is damage points. Bullet velocity does affect potential damage points a round can score in a plane vs plane situation. For instance, a .50 cal from 100 yards will score more damage than one from 600 yards due to the loss of energy. Cannons do have an advantage because of their explosive content, their chemical energy is stored until impact and its chemical energy is not affected by the loss of kenetic energy.
As far as kill stealing, people handle in differntly. I for one am not shy about using range channel to call attention to a friendlies lame ways, and I do so enjoy always being 2 seconds too late to help that friendly if the opportunity arises later on :)
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
wasnt meaning to sound hostile there if i did meatwad, just that not more than a few days ago i landed 9 kills in a spit8 when my goal for one sortie (no reload) was 10. reason i only landed 10? my last 100 rounds of MGs i took off a zeke's tail after a close turn fight 1 on 1, only to see a fellow knight dive from 7k above us and shot the hell out of the zeke as it floated down. that just sucked, took alot of restraint not to ball the guy out on range.
no hostility taken, I seen it as humor so I replied with a humorous message
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What about the opposite.
someone calls out, "The 109 is dead, I shot off a wing" and he shot off a flap instead of a wing. Now the "109" goes and shoots down your squadie. Some guys seem to claim an enemy down at any damage.
I figure if it can still fight, its not down, its not a kill.
Just saying it can go both ways.
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When I have a kill stolen it's usually some tard jumping in front of me. I don't often have it picked off as spiraling wreckage.
What happens a lot to me is getting a good shot on a bird that seemingly hasn't taken ANY damage, saw off a wing or nail his cockpit, and STILL just get the assist for it (I've lost kills on a LOT of Spits that way, seeing as one well-placed burst of .50 cal can clip their wings).
I really think it should go more on the TYPE of damage inflicted. Blowing out an engine, knocking off the wing or tail, or cockpit hits should be weighed more than just filling a guy with as many bullets as you can.
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Originally posted by Saxman
When I have a kill stolen it's usually some tard jumping in front of me. I don't often have it picked off as spiraling wreckage.
Well with the jumping in front part I hate when i set up for a high quarter snapshot after dueling with a guy for like 5min and i shoot but a friendly newb comes in on his 6 spraying and missing and i hit him in the face and i die then i see him land with 2 kills like a min later.
Originally posted by Saxman
What happens a lot to me is getting a good shot on a bird that seemingly hasn't taken ANY damage, saw off a wing or nail his cockpit, and STILL just get the assist for it (I've lost kills on a LOT of Spits that way, seeing as one well-placed burst of .50 cal can clip their wings).
I really think it should go more on the TYPE of damage inflicted. Blowing out an engine, knocking off the wing or tail, or cockpit hits should be weighed more than just filling a guy with as many bullets as you can.
it still would be bad say you knock the tail off some guy he is floating down to the ground then some guy from the stratosphere comes in an LA-7 or P-51 and knocks off everyhting and blows it to kingdom come then your guna get this
SYSTEM: Assist #341254523543532152351235 on SASKID (pssh lucky shot):O :cry
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quote:Originally posted by hubsonfire
Other people are just that desparate for kills so they can get a round of WTGs and their name in lights.
While it's an amusing game we play within our squad, it does suck mightily when it happens the rest of the time. I'm lucky to get 1 kill a night, and losing that rare trophy to uber133tb34r or some other clown isn't exactly my favorite thing.
all your killz, are belong 2 me !!! Originally posted by SlapShot
:t all your killz, are belong 2 me !!! :t
unless.........I get to it first :rofl
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2 things to say..
First a killstealing story to end all killstealing stories.
In MA, a 1-in-a-million chance encounter at 12k, me in a 109 and Chanzz in his YAK (didn't know it was him until later). A co-alt, cold merge, no HO shots fired! wow.. says I. this is rare.
We tangle for at least 10 mins or so (seemed like 10 hrs), up, down, and 'round n' round. Stalling out nose up, canopy to canopy, my 109 drops a wing, and slowly falls in front of his guns. BAM! He shoots my elevators off, and I drift downward in a 10k tail-slide, facing straight up.. One of the best 1v1 fights I'd had in a long time.
Enroute to terra-firma, I see tracers whizing by, and stinging me.. A P38 twisting & turning and trying to get a bead on my falling hulk..
Finally the guy loops up over the top, and comes straight down at me, face-to-face! Okee dokee.. I peg the trigger and light the SOB up with 30mm! BOOM! He disappears in a ball of fire..
I then get a PM from this "person" like this:
200: NICE HO RV6! YOU FRIGGN DWEEB!
You gota' be kidding me. True story.
And lastly, on the topic of Kill Stealing? A graphic that I borrowed from DokGoNzO..
(http://www.vtxpress.com/rv6/dead-horse.gif)
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:rofl RV6, i remember you posting this story before. Its still hilarious.
What i do is most times when im mortally wounded, i bail out immediatly. This avoides others stealing the kill and im back to tower faster.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
You probably would have gotten the assist anyways. 100 rounds of .303s, I don't think, have what it takes to separate the empanage from a Zeke. Someone might have weaken him sooner ... hence you might have just gotten an assist.
Just trying to make ya feel better about it ... :D
Thanks, it doesnt help though...
100 rounds was enough, i was the only guy in the sector for a few minutes, good fight with zeke, finished with me latched on his 6 at 100yrds, hence the 303s killing. The guy who stole the kill was almost out of icon range as the tail came off, and he nose dived from way up hgh to spray the zeke on its 2000ft plunge.
what takes the biscuit is he was in an SBD :)
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Oh, the one that REALLY bugs me is when I've locked on a bandit that seems totally oblivious--say fixated on another target or something--I'm closing in from the 6-low blind spot and JUST as I pull into convergence range and am about to pull the trigger some tard comes zipping in guns blazing from 1000 yards, MISSES, and forces the target to break, spoiling the shot. A perfect bounce completely blown by some impatient spray-and-pray dweeb.
What i do is most times when im mortally wounded, i bail out immediatly. This avoides others stealing the kill and im back to tower faster.
But Schatzi! You'll never make a lame death-spiral kill by spraying the skies with lead as your plane falls tailless to the ground that way!
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Whats the ruling on a con that is on fire...people know hes going to blow..but still shoot at him.....on the other hand he can still fly and kill so why not kill him completely??? I t may be a kill stealing but the guy is still a threat!!
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Originally posted by wetrat
the kill stealing tards are hte lowest common denominator in this game... I don't mind much when the people I know/like steal my kills (mostly the BK's ::cough furball cough:: :furious ).. I still ***** and moan, tho, mostly for the sake of *****ing and moaning. What pisses me off is when SUPERACE125123 swoops in from 15k to spray the hell out of a flaming wreck with his typhie so he can get his name in lights. That's when I wish killshooter wasn't on.
BTW, you need to fly more. I'm losing my rudder axis, and getting legitimate kills is becoming increasingly difficult. I could certainly use you. ;)
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Originally posted by Saxman
But Schatzi! You'll never make a lame death-spiral kill by spraying the skies with lead as your plane falls tailless to the ground that way!
:lol
Have you ever tried getting a kill that way with 303s? Whats best convergence settingd for getting those? ;) :D
Kaw1000: IMHO no prob shooting a burning Zeke thats still trying to kill others. How a WINGLESS plane on the other hand poses a threat to anyone is beyond me.
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
BTW, you need to fly more. I'm losing my rudder axis, and getting legitimate kills is becoming increasingly difficult. I could certainly use you. ;)
I'd like to fly more, but I'm too busy :(
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i stopped *****in about it because id literally have to yell at at least 3 people a sorty..so i put a few xtra in the wreck..you would think it was all newb stuff but alooooooottttt of vets and certain squads practice it...and my poor gunnery doesnt help..i leave em alive to long despite the fact im the saddle at 200 to 400...
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I'd actually taken to bailing out as soon as I had fatal damage so that the guy who did it to me would get credit for it.
Hyenas suck.
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Originally posted by Kaw1000
Whats the ruling on a con that is on fire...people know hes going to blow..but still shoot at him.....on the other hand he can still fly and kill so why not kill him completely??? I t may be a kill stealing but the guy is still a threat!!
Kill it. I've seen bombers drop on the hangers just a second before they blow. I do leave them alone if they are to far away to do any damage before they would blow though.
On the damage thing........I have hit several fighters with 37mm cannon and only get an assist. 1 hit equals 100% damage on a fighter. How can I not cause fatal damage?
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Shooting dead planes..... Just as bad as the guy with tracers on, shooting over your shoulder from 800d just as you line up a 200d killshot.
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Seeing a smoking wreck going down in the MA is like blood in the water to a shark feeding frenzie. Even when you call em down, it seems that someone will still dive in gunz a blazin to try & steal the kill.
Pathetic
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Bah, killstealing lol. Look, I lose plenty of kills because I have not shot them up enough, its not someone elses fault, its my fault. I am generally pleased that the threat is gone unless the one who swooped in wasn't at all involved in the fight. Perching killstealers are the worst sort, but a kill lost to a co-combatant is nothing to worry about.
Been shot down by planes "called" dead too. I hate that more than anything. make 'em dead, or I am taking shots.
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Originally posted by nark
all the more reason to join and fly with a close nit squad
btw has anyone ever downed a plane with a pistol from a chute :) ?
Nope, but I did take out a soft 37mm field ack with a .45 once.
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Kill stealing happens but here are a couple pointers.
1. Call your kills! I really wish more people would get into this. It prevents other people from wasting their time and energy chasing a plane that is mortally wounded and helps prevent kill steals (plus it's good for the ego). Mortally wounded would be defined as;
a. No horizontal or vertical stabilizer
b. Missing one entire wing.
Even a deadstick or clipped wing plane can still be a threat and should not be called dead. Although I request and encourage people to call "I got him under control" or similar while finishing them off, again, to prevent other people wasting time and effort and keep them from shooting "your" kill.
2. A polite, but public, reprimand on range vox usually elicits an apology and helps train people to not kill steal (at least from me).
I dis-like kill stealers as much as anyone, but I always keep my cool by remembering that most of the kill-stealers are skill-less noobs and this is probably the only way they can bag kills.
Pity the poor kill-stealin', skill-less noob, for they know not what they do :lol
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Originally posted by SlapShot
I live to chute shoots !!!!
lol chute shoots
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Flaming planes still in full manuever, buffs over target, and planes with just pieces missing are not what I consider "kill steals" and therefor not really worthy of mention, much less complaint.
However, after fighting a con 1on1, and taking off a wing or tail, the fight is over, and "that dog won't hunt" Then some lame d!ck so called "countryman" follows the wreckage to the ground, cannons & MG blazing. This is what I understand the intent/topic of the post to be, and what I would consider killstealing.
This action is disgusting, and if you have done it, you should be ashamed of yourself. If you see a so called countrymen do it, you should shame them because they probably don't have the couth to be ashamed for themselves. I understand that squaddie on squaddie is another story, and is usually accompanied by a good laugh for all envolved, therefore not applicable for said shaming.
Thats my .02 and Im sure it's not even worth 2 cents. But that's how I see it in my world of honor. Yes, I have honor, and I remeber when 95% of the rest of the game did too :aok .
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If Im in a fight with a zero, and flame him, if I looks like I may be in danger from him, please steal the kill. Those things fly along time burnin.
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Originally posted by nark
all the more reason to join and fly with a close nit squad
btw has anyone ever downed a plane with a pistol from a chute :) ?
i did last night it was a F4u1d on the run away at A153 or a53 with half a wing missing i shoot all the ammo and got a call on him it was 7.16 perks i got for that kills
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I have never downed a plane while still in my chute but, I have scored kills standing on the runway shooting planes taking off.
Need to hit the cockpit to get credit for the kill any other hit will score you an assist. (after take off someone else finishes them off)
There is no hope of rescue unless the base gets captured by your country. This has never happened to me....I usually get straffed and die a gloryous death for mother country.
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I actually popped an airplane on the runway with my .45, got the video to prove it.
*BOOM* Headshot :)
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You hit the plane, or actually shot him down?
If you did actually shoot him down you should post the video, that would be funny to see.
JMFJ
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Originally posted by g00b
I actually popped an airplane on the runway with my .45, got the video to prove it.
*BOOM* Headshot :)
LOL, unreal tournament:lol
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maybe in combat tour a well experienced pilot can bail out with a sniper rifle-or a lmg
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I remember when some dumb guy named Darius1 tried to steal my kill. I was in my ki84 and I shot this guy's tail off and I pull up to the next kill. The La7 goes down spraying bullets and this idiot Darius1 goes after him trying to steal my kill. I was yelling at him saying what are you doing? Luckily the La7 that is spraying on his way down ended up hitting Darius1's Canopy getting the kill on him before the la7 died. I laughed so hard and taunting Darius for about 3 minutes telling him that's what he gets for trying to steal a kill.
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Well this one time...in band camp..........