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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Sandman on April 12, 2006, 06:17:40 PM
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http://autos.msn.com/as/minishow/article.aspx?contentID=4023923&s=NewYork2006
This looks promising. No word on pricing though.
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The Rubicon model will prolly be 28 or 29 base, hardtop prolly 29 to 30k.
I like the new short wheel base version better, looks a bit cleaner.
I like My body style better, but Jeep could have done far worse.
I like that they kept the solid axles. Meaning it will still be better off road then on. I like how the Rubicons get a stronger Dana 44 in front. The ones they use right now are a Dana 44 carrier and pumpkin, but dana 35 stub axles and knuckles. (that way the brake and hub asembly stays the same across the line.
The new Dana 44 is also a high pinnion version. I hope somone makes a kit to bolt them into the older models.
Electric lockers instead of Air on the 07s... No opinion on that yet.
I like that it is a bit wider. will make it more confortable but should not hurt it to much on the trails.
I dont like the new engine much, but maybe it will be ok, there is a talk of a Hemi in the 4 door version and a deisel for both.
Oh the new Rub will come with 32s BFG MTs instead of 31 inch good year MTRs.
Over all I think it is a decent step ahead without killing what a jeep is.
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This looks promising. No word on pricing though.
Promising? I've seen better designs in my cat's litter box.
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They're finally going to offer a diesel option... maybe it'll be taken almost seriously for offroad use now.
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I think its a sin that they destroyed the wrangler. If you like the grille that's cool. I think its stupid as hell. Worse than the square head lights ever were. The 4 door thing is nice... But its not a wrangler with 4 doors.
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Not to worry... there is still the 2-door version.
http://autos.msn.com/research/vip/futuremodel.aspx?familyid=658
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I don't know about anywhere else but here it seems there are 2 distinct types of Jeep Wrangler drivers:
1. The guy that is the outdoors type.
2. The girl that wants to be a guy but likes girls type.
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I kno sand, but I still think the grill is pretty bad looking. They had it almost looking like the old CJ's. Now it looks like it has to take a dump. :(
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I dont mind the grill so much, it is the low door sills that do not look right to me. It is going to look pretty silly with the doors off.
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Yeah, but anything with four doors probably will look silly without them.
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Instead of 4 doors, they should've made it with longer 2-doors.
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Originally posted by Sandman
Yeah, but anything with four doors probably will look silly without them.
True but the 2 door has the low sills as well. It, I think is the biggest departure in style. I bet they did it cause people complain about having to step over it.
I bet stock versus stock the new Jeep Rubicon will walk all over the Rav4 for dikes. (the toy FJ)
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What's a rav4? ;)
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Originally posted by Morpheus
What's a rav4? ;)
A crappy toyota SUV based on a car.
You know, the thing they based the new FJs looks off of.
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Oh, I thought they were those toy cars you rent at the park hehe. :)
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
I bet stock versus stock the new Jeep Rubicon will walk all over the Rav4 for dikes. (the toy FJ)
Stock versus stock, Rubicon will walk over anything else being sold today. I can't think of another vehicle being sold today that comes stock with locking diffs and solid axles.
If you're interested, here's a review of the H3, Jeep Laredo, Xterra, and FJ Cruiser (http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/10776/rock-hopper-suvs-on-mengel-pass-its-over-hill-over-dale-over-carls-grave.html). The FJ lost.
I've been on the Mengal Pass Trail with my 2000 X. It's a fun ride. :)
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Thanks for the link Sandy.
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Originally posted by Sandman
Stock versus stock, Rubicon will walk over anything else being sold today. I can't think of another vehicle being sold today that comes stock with locking diffs and solid axles.
If you're interested, here's a review of the H3, Jeep Laredo, Xterra, and FJ Cruiser (http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/10776/rock-hopper-suvs-on-mengel-pass-its-over-hill-over-dale-over-carls-grave.html). The FJ lost.
I've been on the Mengal Pass Trail with my 2000 X. It's a fun ride. :)
Good review, I had heard the new Xterra was pretty decent off road. The H3 got a better review then I thought it would, I figured it would be better on road then off, but it does not suprise me in the least it is gutless.
Even they thought the FJ looked like Rav4, but they left out the dike part lol :D
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The part that I wondered about in the review of the new Xterra is how they panned the 2000-20001 models.
Hell... it got Motor Trend SUV of the year in 2000, but according to Car & Driver, it's crap.
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Originally posted by Sandman
The part that I wondered about in the review of the new Xterra is how they panned the 2000-20001 models.
Hell... it got Motor Trend SUV of the year in 2000, but according to Car & Driver, it's crap.
Me to, having wheeled with one a bunch, it seems pretty good, (other then alternator possition.) Plus I like the old designs looks MUCH better then the new one. The new one looks like an old one that ate a Geo metro and got fat.
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I didn't like the look of the 2nd gen Xterra at first, but now it's starting to grow on me.
I do dislike the fact that the transfer case is controlled electronically. :eek:
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Yeah but is the alternator still mounted on the bottom front of the engine where only a small left handed asian man could get a wrench on the bolts?
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Hmmm... not sure. I haven't looked under the hood on one of those.
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If it is, some enginer needs a swift kick to the sack.
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What if that engineer is a small left handed asian man? :D
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Originally posted by Sandman
What if that engineer is a small left handed asian man? :D
Then he gets 2 swift kicks, one for each nut!!
He needs to get a big fat white dude to help him with bolt placement.
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For a smaller 4wd I've always been partial to the Isuzu Vehicross:
(http://tesujin.smugmug.com/photos/12735956-S.jpg)
Although its not available in diesel. But Like Isuzu's, their designs are rugged, very functional, good drives and nothing wanky thats going to break easily.
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Originally posted by Vulcan
For a smaller 4wd I've always been partial to the Isuzu Vehicross:
(http://tesujin.smugmug.com/photos/12735956-S.jpg)
Although its not available in diesel. But Like Isuzu's, their designs are rugged, very functional, good drives and nothing wanky thats going to break easily.
Those are cool but rare in around here, never seen one off road, but I remeber hearing about it when it came out and how it was supposed to be pretty good.
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Jeep looks too much like a hummer..
That Iszuzu though.. :confused:
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Originally posted by Hawklore
Jeep looks too much like a hummer..
That Iszuzu though.. :confused:
Thats the other way around, Hummer stole the grill from Jeep, there was even a law suite about it. (I think Jeep lost though)
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Originally posted by Sandman
http://autos.msn.com/as/minishow/article.aspx?contentID=4023923&s=NewYork2006
This looks promising. No word on pricing though.
If you want to "Modify this Wrangler", it will be tough. This thing is getting bashed on most 4x4 forums because of this one thing.
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I'm guessing there's nothing on the market currently. Is that the chief complaint?
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Originally posted by Sandman
I'm guessing there's nothing on the market currently. Is that the chief complaint?
DCX is making it hard for the "Aftermarket Companies" (Lifts, Engine Mods, etc).
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
If you want to "Modify this Wrangler", it will be tough. This thing is getting bashed on most 4x4 forums because of this one thing.
It will be tough for the first 6 months but withen a year every major lift maker will have a lift for it
Since it JUST came out a few months back and none of the aftermarket companies have a test model since it is not up for sale yet, it is just time a time thing.
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
It will be tough for the first 6 months but withen a year every major lift maker will have a lift for it
Since it JUST came out a few month back and none of the aftermarket companies have a test model since it is not up for sale yet, it is just time a time thing.
Neg bud, not in this case. A bunch of us have wondered why DCX would pull this sort of thing. Actually, Rancho, RE, OME, and the others typically are AHEAD of the game in lifts for vehicles. This time, they are "running into difficulties".
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I'm an idiot. What is DCX?
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Originally posted by Sandman
I'm an idiot. What is DCX?
"Daimler Chrysler". But, you are not an idiot.
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Neg bud, not in this case. A bunch of us have wondered why DCX would pull this sort of thing. Actually, Rancho, RE, OME, and the others typically are AHEAD of the game in lifts for vehicles. This time, they are "running into difficulties".
In 96 When the TJ came out they prolly had the same issues. Right now the only New wraglers running around are press cars. DCX is marketing the new vehicle, once the lift makers can get there hands on one the lifts will follow.
Lifts make take longer to develope anyway since the new version has stability controll, and the lift makers are going to have to make sure the lifts do not disable the system and will work with it.
Hell I could be wrong, but I can't see how they can design a lift for a vehicle that that most people have not seen other then the marketing photos. It would be idiocy and DCX's part to loan out one of the few press cars to lift makers at this point.
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
It would be idiocy and DCX's part to loan out one of the few press cars to lift makers at this point.
You underestimate the power of the Consumer wishing to install "Aftermarket Parts". DCX can only be HELPED by these companies, it is one of the reasons that the Wrangler is STILL AROUND. I'm talking about Jeeps. Their "Aftermarket Stance" is a VERY LARGE portion of the "Selling Ability".
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
You underestimate the power of the Consumer wishing to install "Aftermarket Parts". DCX can only be HELPED by these companies, it is one of the reasons that the Wrangler is STILL AROUND. I'm talking about Jeeps. Their "Aftermarket Stance" is a VERY LARGE portion of the "Selling Ability".
As a person who has modified a wrangler and bought one to modify I understand the Market just fine.
All those companies want to make money off the new Wrangler, everyone is going to race to have a lift for it. But right now the prototypes that jeep has made so far are press cars.
Whats more important, a lift from Rancho or a really good review in car and driver or the JP magazine? The review is going to sell more Jeeps.
They need to promote the vehicle so it sells, and that's what jeep marking people are going to worry about. I think you are wrong about Jeep and DCX caring much about the aftermarket. If they did DCX would be more warranty friendly after mods then they are.
They also do not need to be worried about it, all those after marker lift makers will have lifts eventualy cause they want a cut of that VERY competive market.
The only mistake DCX could make concerning the aftermarket is if they made it their policy that any mods void the warranty, and legaly I think they can not do this.