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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Mighty1 on April 13, 2006, 08:32:33 AM
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This has been a really crappy week!
I just left our Admin building where I had just given the 3rd report of the week on Teachers looking at inappropriate sites online.
3 Teachers in 1 week losing their jobs.
What's bad is EVERYONE knows that I monitor all activity. Even the kids know what I do.
They just look at me like I've just done something wrong or that for some reason it's personal.
AAAAAARGH!
Stupid Stupid people!
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Gawd... you gotta tuff job Mighty1. I don't think I'd have much fun being the Thought Police in an orgainization filled with liberals.
That's not a slam, BTW.. it's just how you are percieved by those who choose to ignore your employers policy on intardnet use in their sphere of control.. the work place.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
Gawd... you gotta tuff job Mighty1. I don't think I'd have much fun being the Thought Police in an orgainization filled with liberals.
Well if more conservatives would read books besides the Bible, schools might not be so filled with liberals.
:p
Thankless task for you Mighty1.
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conservatives can read?
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Mighty, just curious, what exactly does the school consider "innappropriate" websites?
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Well we have minor things like personal shopping during school (normally not a problem unless they do it all day) to major things like looking at Porn.
This week we had a Teacher trying to run a business (buying/selling on Ebay) even after she was warned to stop one who spends her whole day on myspace.com pretending to be a student and the last one who was looking at gay porn.
We try not to restrict to much so teachers can use the internet as a resource for their classes but all we ask is that any personal use is at a minimum. During prep or before/after school if you want to check your bank account or look for the best deal on a vacation no problem. But if you start looking for a date or porn or do anything other than teach when you should be teaching then we have a problem.
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That seems reasonable. I was wondering how you think these terminations will hold up. Is everyone in the school system monitored and held to the same standard there , or are some people excluded? Are you expecting the teacher's union to challenge the terminations? Do you have those disclaimers in place when you boot up that say words to the effect of "This computer and software is the property of blah blah school system and any use outside of approved usage may result in discipline up to termination." or some such?
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Do you have those disclaimers in place when you boot up that say words to the effect of "This computer and software is the property of blah blah school system and any use outside of approved usage may result in discipline up to termination." or some such?
We have all students and employees sign agreements before they are allowed on ANY computer.
Is everyone in the school system monitored and held to the same standard there , or are some people excluded?
Yes all are monitored the same and so far there have been no exceptions.
Are you expecting the teacher's union to challenge the terminations?
No the Teachers Union normally support us since they helped us come up with the agreement that eveyone has to sign.
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Originally posted by Mighty1
This has been a really crappy week!
I just left our Admin building where I had just given the 3rd report of the week on Teachers looking at inappropriate sites online.
3 Teachers in 1 week losing their jobs.
What's bad is EVERYONE knows that I monitor all activity. Even the kids know what I do.
They just look at me like I've just done something wrong or that for some reason it's personal.
AAAAAARGH!
Stupid Stupid people!
Isn't it wonderful when people come to the realization that the rules they voted for, agreed upon, are applied to them. It's all about academic freedom for them and no one else. :rolleyes:
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yup.. and Mighty1 is absolutely correct.
"Stupid People".. and it's a good thing his school system has a convienient lever to pry 'em outta a job that has no business employing "stupid people".
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My wife comes from a very small town. It's so small, it doesn't even have a single traffic light...only a four-way stop in the middle of downtown.
One year, the gentry got together and decided they needed a town cop because every once in a while one of the school kids would egg a house or drive too fast down main street.
Well, the cop got right to work writing tickets and enforcing the laws. Most of the kids caught were the kids of the people who of course had voted yea to getting a cop in the first place since the small population didn't have much diversity in the "criminal element".
The gentry got back together and determined the "crime spree" might actually have been "boys being boys" and decided they didn't really want a cop around after all. It was pretty annoying having to go pick their kids up all the time I guess.
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Im forever amazed at people who insist on privacy when using an employers computer, network and time. Especially when its made very clear that the system logs all usage, traffic, emails and web sites.
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Mighty I had to fire 1 of my customer service girls the other day for the same stuff... I could honestly care less if they use the net to just mess around for a lil bit but I was begining to have huge problems with this girl playing on yahoo instant messenger all day. I had warned her 3 times to stop using it at work, mainly because it drains the bandwidth and I know she has plenty of work she can be doing but she thought it wasn't a big deal. Another problem I was worried about is that my IT people in north carolina would find out she's just playing on the net all day, that would make me look bad as a manager, so I just had enough of it and canned her. I don't understand how people will put internet usage above there work, she just lost 5 years of hard work and raises all becasause she wouldn't stop playin on the net... god i hate people lol
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Why be frustrated, Mighty? Sounds like you just did your school three big favors all in one week. If they don't even have enough restraint to keep from looking at the Intardnet when they're not supposed to, you really gotta wonder what else they're doing when they should be teaching.
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Originally posted by Mighty1
Well we have minor things like personal shopping during school (normally not a problem unless they do it all day) to major things like looking at Porn.
This week we had a Teacher trying to run a business (buying/selling on Ebay) even after she was warned to stop one who spends her whole day on myspace.com pretending to be a student and the last one who was looking at gay porn.
We try not to restrict to much so teachers can use the internet as a resource for their classes but all we ask is that any personal use is at a minimum. During prep or before/after school if you want to check your bank account or look for the best deal on a vacation no problem. But if you start looking for a date or porn or do anything other than teach when you should be teaching then we have a problem.
Curious.
How many of the female teachers surf porn?LOL
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Curious.
How many of the female teachers surf porn?LOL
Going by current events they don't need to.
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Well it bothers me for several reasons the biggest one is that these teachers are molding our kids to be better people but if their own mold is broken what are they teaching our kids?
We have had some real doozies here and my favorite one was about 2 years ago I get a call from one of our middle school principals who said he just got off the phone with a woman from CA who ran a BBS and she said that one of our teachers was pretending to be a kid and was having an online affair with a 23 year old guy in Canada. She said if we didn't call the police she was.
Well we started snooping around and we got the guy from Canada phone number and our Super, My boss and myself called him up. This guy was very helpful in giving us info on what was going on. He had all the e-mails she sent pictures and even (brrrr) a pair of her panties.
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Well the story goes like this. The teacher got on this BBS 2 years prior pretending to be a 14 year old cancer patient (Daisy) who was running with her mother from her father because he was a scientist in Alaska who did not believe in doctors. She had several online realtionships with 14 year olds but she didn't get to serious till she met the guy from Canada. After serveral years of talking the guy from Canada was wanting to meet Daisy and he wanted pictures so she took serveral pictures of some of the girls in her class and sent them to him. He began to get suspicious when the pictures were of different girls but Daisy explained that some of the girls were from he cancer group. Still not convinced he sent her a moose doll and said he wanted her to take a picture of herself holding it. She had a girl in her class pose for the picture.
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He still was not conviced so he decided to start checking IP address' of all her post and noticed that even though she was supposed to be moving from state to state she always had the same 2 IP address' (home, work). She told him it was because she knew an IT guy who could make it look that way so her dad couldn't track her. Still not convinced he tracked down the teacher she said she was staying with at the time (Her) and called. He finally figured her out and got in touch with the lady in CA who was running the BBS who then called us.
We started looking at our logs and sure enough she was doing it during school. We confronted he but she of course denied it until the FBI was called in and they took her HD from home and work and proved it was all true.
She quit before she could get fired and the FBI said she didn't break any laws even though she pretended to be a 14 year old girls and sent pictures of real 13 year olds.
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That's more than a bit creepy.
I know of more people that have been fired for surfing for porn on the internet (and then printing it out on public printers) than virtually any other reason. At least 10 people. This isn't for surfing... IT'S BECAUSE THEY FORGOT IT IN THE PRINTER. WITH COVER SHEETS.
2 of them were PhDs.
Explain that one to your wife.
MiniD
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Originally posted by Mighty1
He had all the e-mails she sent pictures and even (brrrr) a pair of her panties.
You don`t , by chance, still happen to have her e-mail address laying around handy do ya? :rofl
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I almost got into trouble when we called the guy from Canada because after a few minutes of hearing him complain about how she misled him and was pretending to be something she wasn't I started laughing. My boss and the Super were getting pretty pissed and after the call they ask me what the hell was so funny.
I said simply that I thought it was funny that a Pedophile was upset because the 14 year old he was trying to meet to have sex with was really a 52 year old woman. They just looked at me and said they didn't even think about that part.
Her husband who is a teacher here at our HS was going around telling everyone that I was trying to frame her and somehow I got into her computer at home and put all the bad stuff in it.
Theres more but you guys get the idea.
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Originally posted by Jackal1
You don`t , by chance, still happen to have her e-mail address laying around handy do ya? :rofl
Yes actually I do.
BTW she looks like Benny Hill with a bad blonde wig.
edit:
OK I took out where she went to work.
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Honestly, Mighty1, I understand that you need to vent and talk about it but you shouldn't do it and espacially not online.
You're not giving names but you're giving more and more info and it could very well backfire if one of the sacked ones stumble upon this.
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Originally posted by Mighty1
Yes actually I do.
She went to work at Ivy Tech in Bloomington.
BTW she looks like Benny Hill with a bad blonde wig.
Rut Roh! :rofl
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Hey, Mr 'I-have-so-high-morals-about-marriage' Jackal.....aren't you already married precisely?
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Holy Cow Mighty1! Look at it on the upside; you may have prevented these folks from harming students at your school or district. What’s really scary is that these folks didn’t understand limits, didn’t have much self control and may have been obsessive; not the kind of folks you want working with kids. I’d say that they were posing a serious risk to your students. Maybe not the Ebay one, but she did have a warning. I can understand not enjoying the conflict and turmoil, but you’ve done a good thing.
I’m a computer teacher at a K-8 Catholic school. I also do minimal network admin stuff; minimal because I only know a minimum about servers and networks. We don’t have anyone like you, mostly because we don’t have the budget for any IT personnel whatsoever.
A few questions:
What exactly are your job duties? Just the “Thought Police” stuff? Or do you also manage the network and accounts? Also, how big is your school and/or district? How many employees, schools/buildings, PCs, servers and student accounts are you in charge of? How many other folks do you work with and how are their job duties divided up? Lastly, who does your school website; is it hired out, or one of you?
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wow... teachers looking at gay sites and being pedophiles? Maybe they just don't get enough money?
The good part about this whole having a tech guy check computers is that. where I work.. the HR person who was universaly hated by everyone and had tried to get a lot of us fired.... got caught with porn on his puter and they fired him. He was a liberal gun hater too. Tried to get a no guns in your car rule passed.
lazs
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Originally posted by eskimo2
A few questions:
What exactly are your job duties? Just the “Thought Police” stuff? Or do you also manage the network and accounts? Also, how big is your school and/or district? How many employees, schools/buildings, PCs, servers and student accounts are you in charge of? How many other folks do you work with and how are their job duties divided up? Lastly, who does your school website; is it hired out, or one of you?
My title is Network Engineer and my duties include maintaining 20 Novell and 3 Windows servers in 14 buildings. I manage all e-mail, internet , student management software and anything else they can think of.
over 600 Teachers and support staff
over 5000 kids (1700 in HS)
Our IT dept is broken down into 4 parts.
Tech Coordinator (my boss)
Network Engineer (me)
Webmaster (can you guess what he does)
Computer Techs
We have 1 tech for our HS 1 for our 3 middles schools and 1 for our 8 grade schools.
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Cool; thanks. What’s your training/education? What beginning level class, book or web-based guide do you think has helped you the most (or would help me the most). Right now we have a windows 2000 server that’s due to be replaced soon. It handles our email, grade books, accounts, hosts the website… everything. My school is 430 kids and about 30 staff and about 100 PCs. We have a parent volunteer IT guy who does all of the tricky stuff. I add new accounts, change passwords, administrate and make the website and an intranet, fix simple problems when things go down, etc. I have no formal IT training. If I wanted to learn more, but not go back to school full time and become a real IT guy, what should I do?
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Originally posted by deSelys
Hey, Mr 'I-have-so-high-morals-about-marriage' Jackal.....aren't you already married precisely?
For the reading comprehension challenged........ <
HUMOR TAG >.
Now wipe your chin. :aok
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Mighty, what about something like this BBS?
would you flag someone for visiting this?
what about yourself? what is the allowable number of hits?
personally i can zip through 15+ threads or more in 1 minute.
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Originally posted by Mustaine
Mighty, what about something like this BBS?
would you flag someone for visiting this?
what about yourself? what is the allowable number of hits?
personally i can zip through 15+ threads or more in 1 minute.
Normally for staff we don't worry about sites like this because they use so many BBS to talk to other teachers around the world.
We normally only care if the BBS is for dating or a business.
We try not to say anything if they are on a few minutes here and there just not on for hours at a time. They have time before and after classes and they have lunch and prep to get on and look around.
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Originally posted by eskimo2
Cool; thanks. What’s your training/education? What beginning level class, book or web-based guide do you think has helped you the most (or would help me the most). Right now we have a windows 2000 server that’s due to be replaced soon. It handles our email, grade books, accounts, hosts the website… everything. My school is 430 kids and about 30 staff and about 100 PCs. We have a parent volunteer IT guy who does all of the tricky stuff. I add new accounts, change passwords, administrate and make the website and an intranet, fix simple problems when things go down, etc. I have no formal IT training. If I wanted to learn more, but not go back to school full time and become a real IT guy, what should I do?
Well I have a Associate in Electronics and have went to many Novell and Windows courses.
I finally got our school system to create a training budget about 7 years ago so I normally get to pick 1 class a year to take. But most of the Novell classes I need are a week long and cost over $1800 not including room and food.
I'm still waiting to hear if I can go to Ivy Tech for a year long Cisco router class. I've had the 1 week basic training coarse but it only showed me I didn't know anything.
I think it all comes down to money. If they can afford to send you to short classes (1 day to a week) then I would start there and start building up on things you need to know then later you can branch out to things you want to know.
If money is a problem then I would buy a book Windows Servers and see if you can get a spare computer that you can practice on. Use it to build and rebuild the server software and all it's components. If you destroy it...who cares it's a spare that isn't connected to the main network.
I currently have a test network with a Cisco 1721 router and 3 old Novell Servers that I load all new patches and software on before I put in on our live network that way I can see what it is going to screw up.
Plus I can try out tweaks or new configurations without hurting anything.