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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: GtoRA2 on April 13, 2006, 09:51:12 PM
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Some poor kid jogging in a ninja custume gets his rights crushed by the ATF. (http://www.redandblack.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2006/04/12/443c71ed40b94)
I ran into this on a Jeep forum. The kid was complaining how bad they treated him and how the story is misleading.
IE he was jogging not peaking around corners and that he heard no sirens.
The ATF and DEA both need to be disbanded right now.
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Some poor kid jogging in a ninja custume gets his rights crushed by the ATF. (http://www.redandblack.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2006/04/12/443c71ed40b94)
Oh puhleaze!!! Crushed?! Are you having your period? :rolleyes:
I ran into this on a Jeep forum. The kid was complaining how bad they treated him and how the story is misleading.
I didn't see that part. I saw that they had guns on him.
IE he was jogging not peaking around corners and that he heard no sirens.
I didn't find this in the story either. The feds said he was peaking around corners, there's nothing from the kid denying it.
The ATF and DEA both need to be disbanded right now. [/B]
Bwahahahaha!!! Let's also do away with police protection, military defense. Let's just arm the public and let them shoot it out. Whoever's still standing, inherits the earth.
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WOW!
“Seeing someone with something across the face, from a federal standpoint — that’s not right,” McLemore said, explaining why agents believed something to be amiss.
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I wonder what the Feds think about pointing MP-5s at 5 y/o children.
Cynic. WB z0rch:cool:
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Originally posted by Cynic
Oh puhleaze!!! Crushed?! Are you having your period?. :rolleyes:
I didn't see that part. I saw that they had guns on him.
I didn't find this in the story either. The feds said he was peaking around corners, there's nothing from the kid denying it.
Bwahahahaha!!! Let's also do away with police protection, military defense. Let's just arm the public and let them shoot it out. Whoever's still standing, inherits the earth.
Well you’re off to a great first day.
The kid (in the story) was posting to the FORUM I found the link on. Talking about how the article was misleading. Maybe you should work on your reading skills. You may not like reading things from people who don't bother to check spelling and grammar but in the future I think I will avoid reading your spew because you are rude caustic.
You are not going to last long around here.
I also guess it is OK that federal agents stopped a college kid who was jogging, pull guns on him with the false assumption he had a gun, detain him and kneel on his neck, all for nothing. (yes the article does not say this but I will take the kids word over the feds since they didn’t charge him with a crime and are going to need to cover their asses)
You did catch the part where he was not charged with a crime?
Maybe you are fine with fed agents kneeling on an innocent kids neck for the MAJOR crime of wearing bandanas on his face, but since I don't think that is against the law ANYWHERE in the country I think it is an abuse of power.
I am all for reasonable law enforcement if you think that’s what this is you’re in the wrong era, and country.
If this is how you acted with your last ID on this board I can see why you were so reluctant to let people know who you were.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
WOW!
“Seeing someone with something across the face, from a federal standpoint — that’s not right,” McLemore said, explaining why agents believed something to be amiss.
Wonderfull reason huh Grun?
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Bwahahahaha!!! Let's also do away with police protection, military defense. Let's just arm the public and let them shoot it out. Whoever's still standing, inherits the earth.
ATF and DEA both have serious issues with over stepping their bounds. Both agencies should be disbanded and start over with a whole new cast of folks.
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Originally posted by Pooh21
I wonder what the Feds think about pointing MP-5s at 5 y/o children.
Cynic. WB z0rch:cool:
There's been many over the top reactions by police, federal agents and ordinary adults. This story hardly ranks as one of them. However, the pointing of weapons at 5 yr olds is totally out of order. If that happened, and someone didn't lose their job, that's a story worth getting fired up over.
And thx z0rch. It'll still be a few weeks until I have the funds stabilized and the parts in hand for building, but I hope to make new enemies in the mean time. My Jug hasn't flown for a long time. It may be a bit rusty.
:aok
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F*ck the ATF and the rest of Bush's police state.
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I wonder what the Feds think about pointing MP-5s at 5 y/o children.
Read my posts in the thread about the DEA agent that shot himself in the foot with his Glock .40 and is now sueing the DEA.
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Originally posted by Elfie
Read my posts in the thread about the DEA agent that shot himself in the foot with his Glock .40 and is now sueing the DEA.
That's out of order. I remember that story. That fool should have checked that weapon before showcasing it. It's common sense weapon safety. I learned it in the army, too bad the law enforcement tends to have stupid people among it's ranks.
Unfortunate he didn't shoot himself in the gonads. He definately shouldn't be adding to the gene pool.
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Try reading my posts in that thread Cynic, I tell about a night the DEA showed up at my home.
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Well you’re off to a great first day.
The kid (in the story) was posting to the FORUM I found the link on. Talking about how the article was misleading. Maybe you should work on your reading skills. You may not like reading things from people who don't bother to check spelling and grammar but in the future I think I will avoid reading your spew because you are rude caustic.
Did you provide a link to the post in that forum? No.
Did you copy and paste his words here with a reasonable quote? No.
Should i take your word for it? No
I see all kinds of outrageous claims from strangers over the internet. The only thing you truly cited was the story. Everything else is heresay.
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Oh so that’s why you got all insulting?
Maybe in the future if you have questions you can ask them, like an adult.
I see your still not taking everything in on the first try either since you totally miss understood what Elfie's said as well.
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Originally posted by Elfie
Try reading my posts in that thread Cynic, I tell about a night the DEA showed up at my home.
Read it. Is that proof they're corrupt and abusive as a whole? It's proof the group that came to your house is stupid.
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You may love living with terrorists GTO but some of us know better-If he had nothing to hide he shouldnt be covering up his face- I suppose you think it's OK to be walking the streets after dark too! WAKE UP PEOPLE THE TERRORISTS ARE OUT THERE AND THEY LIKE WEARING CLOTH ON THEIR HEADS SO THIS IS A TOTALLY SMART ACTION BY THE POLICE!!!!!!1
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Oh so that’s why you got all insulting?
I got insulting because of your embellishments from a totally emotional and irrational POV insisting we dismantle an entire section of law enforcement. However, on your side, I have difficulty in understanding why there has to be a DEA and ATF in the first place and not just branches of the federal marshal. Or, do you want them dismantled too?
Maybe in the future if you have questions you can ask them, like an adult.
And perhaps next time you can leave off the gushing with liberal pride embellishments and report the facts, like an adult.
Besides, I'm just planting the seeds of hate. I want plenty of viable targets when I sign back in. No affiliations, no biases, no quarter.
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Originally posted by SOB
You may love living with terrorists GTO but some of us know better-If he had nothing to hide he shouldnt be covering up his face- I suppose you think it's OK to be walking the streets after dark too! WAKE UP PEOPLE THE TERRORISTS ARE OUT THERE AND THEY LIKE WEARING CLOTH ON THEIR HEADS SO THIS IS A TOTALLY SMART ACTION BY THE POLICE!!!!!!1
Not true, not true. People throw costum parties all the time, throughout the year. Totally smart? Questionable, but I wouldn't want to be the cop that decided to play the good old boy town sheriff and paid with his life.
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Cynic, I want you to reread the title. There is a key word there that describes everything you have gripes with.
You have 5 words to pick from, I'll give you 3 guesses as to the Key Word.
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Is that proof they're corrupt and abusive as a whole?
Of course not :)
It is however consitent with other incidents by both the ATF and the DEA.
Besides, I'm just planting the seeds of hate. I want plenty of viable targets when I sign back in.
A good portion of the folks that post in the O'Club either play very sparingly or not at all. So ya might want to start bagging all those *seeds of hate* and save them for Channel 200 in the game. :D
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Cynic, I want you to reread the title. There is a key word there that describes everything you have gripes with.
You have 5 words to pick from, I'll give you 3 guesses as to the Key Word.
LOL!!! Yeah, not entirely power, but I am very much an anti-authoritarian. I have yet to find someone I want leading me.
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Originally posted by Elfie
A good portion of the folks that post in the O'Club either play very sparingly or not at all. So ya might want to start bagging all those *seeds of hate* and save them for Channel 200 in the game. :D [/B]
No!!! Come on, I've been throwing out good stuff. Hmmmph! I guess I'll go back to JPfitness and Men's Health until the new puter comes. I don't expect to compete against them, though there are some there that I cut into semi-regularly (but the whole board does too).
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Originally posted by Cynic
I got insulting because of your embellishments from a totally emotional and irrational POV insisting we dismantle an entire section of law enforcement. However, on your side, I have difficulty in understanding why there has to be a DEA and ATF in the first place and not just branches of the federal marshal. Or, do you want them dismantled too?
And perhaps next time you can leave off the gushing with liberal pride embellishments and report the facts, like an adult.
Besides, I'm just planting the seeds of hate. I want plenty of viable targets when I sign back in. No affiliations, no biases, no quarter.
So you admit that you can't act like an adult when you see something you don't like or understand. That is a start I guess. You really should think about taking personal responsibility when you do something wrong instead of blaming it on someone else.
The story does not need any further links, nor do I have to justify what is clearly my opinion to you or anyone else.
If you think a kid being held down by his neck by feds knee for wearing a bandana on his a university campus is not having ones rights crushed, I have to wonder what you would think is.
You have me chucking over the “gushing with liberal pride embellishments”. I would be surprised if you could find a single person who would refer to me as a liberal. Maybe you should try reading the forums and getting a feel for the people on the board before you go around and label them.
But whatever, make excuses for why you acted how you did and blame others for your actions all you want.
Some people around here will still take you seriously in spite of it, at least until you get banned for not being able to control your urge to be the champion of the board defending us from extremists in both Politics and Religion by… insulting them.
Thank you ever so much.
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Story aside, why does the ATF exist?
I'm either ignorant of their true benefit or they are redundant.
One would think that the party that supposedly wants smaller government, you know... the one that controls the White House and the Congress... those people might take steps to eliminate such an obvious waste of governmental resources.
But hey... maybe it's just me.
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From the wiki:
The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) is a Federal law enforcement agency within the United States Department of Justice. Its responsibilities include enforcing certain Federal laws, administering certain Federal crime prevention programs, protecting the public and reducing violent crime.
The ATF enforces Federal laws and regulations relating to alcohol, tobacco products, firearms, explosives, and arson.
Two incidents in the early 1990s brought criticism to the agency, as well as to the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and U.S. Marshals (USM) - the Branch Davidian raid in Waco, Texas, and the incident at Ruby Ridge. U.S. Attorney General Janet Reno under the direction of President Bill Clinton ordered the raid of the Branch Davidian complex and the incident at Ruby Ridge.
On November 25, 2002, the Homeland Security Act of 2002 split the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms into two different parts.
The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms was renamed the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives and was moved into the Justice Department from the Treasury Department and is responsible for the law enforcement effort. It remains known officially by the acronym "ATF."
The Alcohol and Tobacco Tax and Trade Bureau (TTB) remained within the Treasury Department and continues to operate most of the tax collection side.
The changes took effect January 24, 2003.
ATF was originally formed from within the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) in 1973, though its history can be traced back to the time of the "Revenuers" and the Bureau of Prohibition. This is a name retained by the agency until the repeal of the Volstead Act in 1933. Special Agent Eliot Ness and his band of "Untouchables" were real-life members of ATF's predecessor organization. Often refered to as "treasury agents" then ATF agents.
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Originally posted by Sandman
Story aside, why does the ATF exist?
I'm either ignorant of their true benefit or they are redundant.
One would think that the party that supposedly wants smaller government, you know... the one that controls the White House and the Congress... those people might take steps to eliminate such an obvious waste of governmental resources.
But hey... maybe it's just me.
ATF History link. (http://www.atf.treas.gov/about/atfhistory.htm)
Interesting reading, and it does not convince me we need them.
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
The story does not need any further links, nor do I have to justify what is clearly my opinion to you or anyone else.
I think it does. Well documented gives a clearer argument. Arguments from the gut don't work well.
If you think a kid being held down by his neck by feds knee for wearing a bandana on his a university campus is not having ones rights crushed, I have to wonder what you would think is.
Let's see, he's running around, masked (not bandanaed, fully masked), covered in black, looking suspicious, acting suspicious. Would I not have a gun ready in case he had one? Oh, I would. I'm not betting my life on the possibility he's just playing. The knee on the neck? It's a restraint measure. It sucks, but it's a good thing he didn't have a toy gun that looked real. He'd be dead. Would you consider the cops shooting someone for leveling a toy gun at them criminally negligent? How about a real gun? In a second, an LEA (law enforcement agent) could be dead from the hesitation.
Would you approach someone looking like that, acting like that and ask them WTF? It's hard to say, but I also don't know anyone who's been shot surprising an armed assialant. My opinion would probably change if I did, or worked in a profession where the story goes about the LEA that didn't think any of it, lost his life.
Some people around here will still take you seriously in spite of it, at least until you get banned for not being able to control your urge to be the champion of the board defending us from extremists in both Politics and Religion by… insulting them.
You jump on the word crushed, saying his rights were violated. Pretty strong words. When you use words that strong, you need to make sure your argument is well documented, because a sloppy argument is easily shot down.
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
ATF History link. (http://www.atf.treas.gov/about/atfhistory.htm)
Interesting reading, and it does not convince me we need them.
interesing read. I thought they were brought up for the 20s.
Tax collection...hmmm...I don't think the Treasury needs them anymore.
Did the U.S. marshal come later?
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Basically what it boils down to is the kid(s) made a couple of bad decisions. (A. Having a costume party in broad daylight at a university campus and B. Apparently not informing the right authorities before it was scheduled.)
The kid in question paid the price for the lack of action on those who organised the event. Lesson learned. Next...
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Originally posted by Cynic
LOL!!! Yeah, not entirely power, but I am very much an anti-authoritarian. I have yet to find someone I want leading me.
Silly little man.
The key word was "Again." I was just playing that there really was a choice as to which one was the key word.
The problem is not that the ATF or the DEA overstepped their bounds. Every agency somewhere along the way has made a bad decision and done something they regret.
The problem is that the ATF and the DEA continuously overstep their bounds and regret nothing about it. The question is not when will they do it again. The question is how big of a **** up will the next one be?
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
The problem is that the ATF and the DEA continuously overstep their bounds and regret nothing about it. The question is not when will they do it again. The question is how big of a **** up will the next one be? [/B]
Let see, Ruby Ridge, Waco. Is there some way it can get worse? I'm still not convinced the two are without merit, entirely, they're just poorly run.
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Originally posted by Cynic
I think it does. Well documented gives a clearer argument. Arguments from the gut don't work well.
Let's see, he's running around, masked (not bandanaed, fully masked), covered in black, looking suspicious, acting suspicious. Would I not have a gun ready in case he had one? Oh, I would. I'm not betting my life on the possibility he's just playing. The knee on the neck? It's a restraint measure. It sucks, but it's a good thing he didn't have a toy gun that looked real. He'd be dead. Would you consider the cops shooting someone for leveling a toy gun at them criminally negligent? How about a real gun? In a second, an LEA (law enforcement agent) could be dead from the hesitation.
Would you approach someone looking like that, acting like that and ask them WTF? It's hard to say, but I also don't know anyone who's been shot surprising an armed assialant. My opinion would probably change if I did, or worked in a profession where the story goes about the LEA that didn't think any of it, lost his life.
You jump on the word crushed, saying his rights were violated. Pretty strong words. When you use words that strong, you need to make sure your argument is well documented, because a sloppy argument is easily shot down.
Here is a final clue for you. I have been around this board a long time. This was not an argument thread; it was an information thread for my fellow gun owners on the board. Many of whom feel the ATF has outlived it’s usefulness and is a threat to our freedom.
And it was a bandana; did you even read the story?
“Agents noticed someone wearing a bandanna across the face and acting in a somewhat suspicious manner, peeping around the corner,” said ATF special agent in charge Vanessa McLemore.
I cut that right from the story you claim to have read.
I see you are still trying to justify acting like a child. Why don't you just say “Sorry I should have kept is civil” instead of trying weasel your way out of your actions?
If my sloppy argument was so easy to shoot down(even though I was not making one, I was making a statement) why did you resort to 3rd grade tactics instead of just shooting it down.
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Originally posted by Cynic
Let see, Ruby Ridge, Waco. Is there some way it can get worse? I'm still not convinced the two are without merit, entirely, they're just poorly run.
"I'm still not convinced the two are without merit"
And this is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard. If you decide to use the 10 IQ points you have left, give me a ring, I'd be glad to embarass you again.
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Originally posted by GtoRA2 I cut that right from the story you claim to have read.
You quoted it, "across the face." Not across the forehead or around the neck.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Ok, let's go back to the word 'again.'
Waco and ruby ridge aside, mind you.
LEAs all over this country are guilty of overstepping some juridiction, legal or moral boundary again and again. Why home in on the DEA and ATF? What's different? Federal jurisdiction?
Are you pro-Patriot act? If not, don't you worry about another terrorist attack? If yes, I ask why against a federal agency that is there to enforce it against terrorist attacks (the kid was pretty much dressed like them that hide their faces).
Right now, all I've heard is "they" stepped out of order again, so they should be disbanded, but that happens all the time in local agencies. How many police beatings have you heard about in your city? We've had a few inthe past few years here.
I'm really trying to figure out why singling out the ATF and DEA, when so many others are guilty of the same thing.
What they did to that kid is on par with some of the news stories I've read of local law enforcements actions.
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Originally posted by Cynic
You quoted it, "across the face." Not across the forehead or around the neck.
Cynic said
not bandanaed, fully masked
Here I will do the FULL quote one more time...
“Agents noticed someone wearing a Bandanna across the face and acting in a somewhat suspicious manner, peeping around the corner,” said ATF special agent in charge Vanessa McLemore.
See the big Bandanna in the quote? Notice how it does not say mask?
Look at it again.
It is still says bandanna.
Even if it had been a full mask, that is not illegal.
Also notice he was not charged with anything.
Do I need to put those parts in big quotes as well?
I think it is pretty safe to say these ATF guys over reacted and detained this kid for no reason at all.
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Originally posted by Sandman
Story aside, why does the ATF exist?
To extort money from the alcohol and tobacco trade, and to enforce domestic arms control. And to investigate and prosecute american noncomformity, especially when private owned firearms or bandanas are involved.
And it appears now that we should get our ensemble cleared with them before leaving our house now.
So I guess it's ok for citizens to point guns at kids wearing unamerican head garments. I mean it's legal right? Law enforcement isn't above the law right?
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Cynic said
Even if it had been a full mask, that is not illegal.
Not illegal, suspicious. The LEAs have the authority to arrest someone on reasonable suspicion. A bandanna covering the face in nice weather is pretty suspicious.
Also notice he was not charged with anything.
Happens all the time by local and fed. They took him in, questioned him, realized he was goofing around and released him.
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(http://www.thoseshirts.com/images/model-atf-C375.jpg)
(http://www.thoseshirts.com/images/square-large-atf.gif)
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"Agents noticed Ransom peering around a corner and said when police sirens sounded, he took off running."
Meh.. the agents in the picture couldn't catch a granny, even less a fleeing student, yet they somehow catched him from fleeing? yeah right.
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Originally posted by SOB
You may love living with terrorists GTO but some of us know better-If he had nothing to hide he shouldnt be covering up his face- I suppose you think it's OK to be walking the streets after dark too! WAKE UP PEOPLE THE TERRORISTS ARE OUT THERE AND THEY LIKE WEARING CLOTH ON THEIR HEADS SO THIS IS A TOTALLY SMART ACTION BY THE POLICE!!!!!!1
You're just upset that they don't make childrens ninja costumes in extra huskey size. ;)
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The ATF is a bunch of monumental ****ups. During the ruby ridge/Waco era, they even managed to get a few people killed in Portland by ineptly trying to arrest someone who then managed to get to his car and drive off killing 2 people when he ran a red light 3 blocks away. All from a convenience store parking lot... I beleive they had cars blocking the entrance/exit and thought they'd "Boxed him in" because he would have had to drive over some barkdust to escape.
But... what collection of law enforcement personel at a training convention would not have done the same thing in this situation?
This story is not an example of federal agencies gone awry. This story is an example of law enforcement being in an unusually precarious position of being expected to stop crimes before they happen.
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Originally posted by Cynic
Let's just arm the public and let them shoot it out. Whoever's still standing, inherits the earth.
Works for me.
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BATFE (they added the final 'e' for explosives a few months back) is dangerous because it's the 'administrations monkey'. Example.. The Klinton Years... abuses of power in pursuit of legal gun owners, Ruby Ridge, Waco... Lately it's been pretty quiet.. since Boooosh called 'em off the necks of the legal gun owners. We get another Democrat Gun Hater in the Office... it'll be like the Klinton Years again.
No administration or Attorney General needs it's own police force. The whole department should be disbanded.
Cynic... *yawn*
If yah think yer pot stirring escapades in the OClub will earn you a crowd of Cynic Haters for you to play with in the game..
Yah came to the wrong place. Try over in the General Discussion forum.
Meanwhile... if yer really serious about a fight; just stuff yer head up yer bellybutton and fight fer air.
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sandie... the ATF are tax men. they enforce tax laws on ciggs and guns and booze. First they were just booze (revenuers) but like all good government agencies they seen a chance to grow when the 1935 tax on machine guns, silencers and sawed off shotguns was passed.
They send 300 agents to a cabin in Idaho to get that $5 tax that wasn't paid on a shotgun that had the stock (maybe) cut 1/8" too short. course.... some people can die but.... taxes are important.
They probly had to pass at least 1,000 or more illegal aliens to get there besides.
When Reagan tried to disband the agency he ran afoul of federal hireing laws (had to find other places to put the out of work agents)
Reagan said... "no problem we will absorb them within the other federal law enforcement agencies" No agency would take ATF agents.
We still have em because they have no where to go. They are really bad value for the money.
lazs
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Originally posted by Cynic
Not illegal, suspicious. The LEAs have the authority to arrest someone on reasonable suspicion. A bandanna covering the face in nice weather is pretty suspicious.
Happens all the time by local and fed. They took him in, questioned him, realized he was goofing around and released him.
Yeah how incredibly suspicious a kid wearing a bandana on his face on a college compass is!
It’s not like kids in college ever do silly things on a college campus! That simply inconceivable!!
The guys running around in togas must be terrorist cult members! Hopefully the ATF guys will just shoot those freaks in the head!
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wonder how many illegal aliens the ATF agents tripped over to get to that scumball student. No.... better yet... wonder how many employers of illegal aliens the agents deal with every day and ignore the fact that they are criminals.
lazs
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Aside from the obvious ****ups like ruby ridge and waco the ATF oversteps its bounds in other ways. Law enforcement acencies don't get to legislate, that power lies with the legislative branch.
However, the ATF constantly reinterprets existing gun laws to mean what they see fit. Guns that were legal years ago are now banned or regulated simply because the ATF changed thier mind on them. The SPAS-12 and other shotguns are considered "destructive devices." Where a decade of so ago they were prefectly legal. If you look up the siaga-12 forum you'll see how many people are afraid of <8 round mags being available. If I high capacity magazine is avalable for thier shotgun the ATF may reclassify it also as a destructive device.
Look at what happened to parts kits. For years parts kits were perfectly legal to import and build rifles (that are otherwise banned from import.) However, the ATF recently decided that kits could no longer be imported with barrels. Was there some new law passed? Nope, the ATF simply changed thier mind on the whole thing.
Hell, these guys decided a SHOESTRING counts as a MACHINEGUN!
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why was the ATF on the campus?
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They were there to promote this
Project Safe Neighborhoods (http://www.psn.gov/about/index.html)
Has there been a rash of gun crime on University campuses?
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It's burried deep in the first sentance of the article:
Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearm agents, on campus Tuesday for Project Safe Neighborhoods training, detained a “suspicious individual” near the Georgia Center, University Police Chief Jimmy Williamson said.
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I wonder how many people die every year as the results of alcohol and ciggs
as oppossed to guns?
My point is I dont see then cracking down on the other two all i hear about is guns.
Ruby Ridge Randy Weaver was set up by ATF and a warrant was issued for the sale of a shotgun with to short of a barrel:rofl Good Gawd is that the best they could do?
Oh and for this horrible crime he gets hes son and wife killed WTG ATF .... NOT
what bunch of azzhats.
Waco LOL why in the heck didnt they just waite till he went into town and arrest him there?
But OH NO they had to come in like John Freekin Wayne to show the world what tough guys they are.
Well OOOPPPSSSSS! kinda blew up in your face the Janet.
And is it just me or does this cynic guy sound alot like MR Black with a spell checker:rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by Cynic
A bandanna covering the face in nice weather is pretty suspicious.
Folks, this is a very good point.
Comrads we must act on this immediately. I propose an immediate BAN on all bandanas and other assorted swaths of the cloth nature.
For the challenged
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Guys,
You are missing the point. Guns don't kill people, Ninjas kill people and Ninjas with Guns would kill more people than ever, hence ATFs quick and limited response to the possibly armed Ninja threat in a school zone. Also, since letters from Senators from California have conclusively proved that at present the greatest threat to our border patrol agents is terrorists with .50 caliber rifles bought at US gunshows, ATF is no doubt on alert that these same terrorists might try to heighten their current terror potential by seeking to obtain both Ninja and Pirate skills via training at college campuses to whit:
"Jeremiah Ransom, a sophomore from Macon, was leaving a Wesley Foundation pirate vs. ninja event when he was detained."
So these agents where probably thinking, "Hey look there goes a Jihadi who has just completed Ninja training, he's running to a gunshow to illegallly buy a .50 Caliber rifle with which he'll be able to easily take out border agents from here. Either that or its a great excuse to practice kneeling on the neck of some young punk. That's what I call win-win. Of course, if he had some donuts that would be a trifecta."
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Originally posted by Jackal1
Folks, this is a very good point.
Comrads we must act on this immediately. I propose an immediate BAN on all bandanas and other assorted swaths of the cloth nature.
For the challenged
The tags are good, anything to help poor cynic with his reading comprehension. Maybe his Mommy should have let us know about his special ed needs before she let him on the puter... :D
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All they did was detain him, and they had more than enough PC to do so.
I used to detain a dozen people a day and it never made the news, but none of them were ninjas. Is there a racisim against ninja theme here? will ninjas rally in the streets? will Jessie Jackson appeal for calm while wearing a ninja outfit?
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Originally posted by Seagoon
Guys,
You are missing the point. Guns don't kill people, Ninjas kill people and Ninjas with Guns would kill more people than ever, hence ATFs quick and limited response to the possibly armed Ninja threat in a school zone. Also, since letters from Senators from California have conclusively proved that at present the greatest threat to our border patrol agents is terrorists with .50 caliber rifles bought at US gunshows, ATF is no doubt on alert that these same terrorists might try to heighten their current terror potential by seeking to obtain both Ninja and Pirate skills via training at college campuses to whit:
"Jeremiah Ransom, a sophomore from Macon, was leaving a Wesley Foundation pirate vs. ninja event when he was detained."
So these agents where probably thinking, "Hey look there goes a Jihadi who has just completed Ninja training, he's running to a gunshow to illegallly buy a .50 Caliber rifle with which he'll be able to easily take out border agents from here. Either that or its a great excuse to practice kneeling on the neck of some young punk. That's what I call win-win. Of course, if he had some donuts that would be a trifecta."
Watch out Sea,
When Cynic find out your a pastor he is going to take it upon himself to save us from your extreme views. He will prolly insult you to do it.
It is what he does.
He is our hero!!!!! :rolleyes: :lol :aok :noid
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Originally posted by Seagoon
Guys,
You are missing the point. Guns don't kill people, Ninjas kill people and Ninjas with Guns would kill more people than ever, hence ATFs quick and limited response to the possibly armed Ninja threat in a school zone. Also, since letters from Senators from California have conclusively proved that at present the greatest threat to our border patrol agents is terrorists with .50 caliber rifles bought at US gunshows, ATF is no doubt on alert that these same terrorists might try to heighten their current terror potential by seeking to obtain both Ninja and Pirate skills via training at college campuses to whit:
"Jeremiah Ransom, a sophomore from Macon, was leaving a Wesley Foundation pirate vs. ninja event when he was detained."
So these agents where probably thinking, "Hey look there goes a Jihadi who has just completed Ninja training, he's running to a gunshow to illegallly buy a .50 Caliber rifle with which he'll be able to easily take out border agents from here. Either that or its a great excuse to practice kneeling on the neck of some young punk. That's what I call win-win. Of course, if he had some donuts that would be a trifecta."
Seagoon, when you slip on your sarcasm suit, you are one hugely entertaining writer.
Heluva post, spot-on and makes the point perfectly.
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I just re read the whole Ruby ridge story on Crime library.
You can find it here. (http://www.crimelibrary.com/gangsters_outlaws/cops_others/randy_weaver/1.html)
This is the punishment the FBI deemed was worthy for the men responsible for the Murder of two U.S. citizens by the government
Federal prosecutors eventually ended a two-year long probe into several FBI officials for their role in the Ruby Ridge standoff. Following the investigation, Danny Coulson, former head of FBI headquarters, was given a letter of censure; Michael Kahoe, who had been involved in researching the rules of engagement, was censured and suspended for 15 days; Richard Rogers, head of the hostage rescue team, was censured and suspended for 10 days; Larry Potts, the man who had approved the rules of engagement, was censured; Eugene Glenn, Ruby Ridge field commander, was censured and suspended for 15 days, and Lou Horiuchi, the HRT "Blue" sniper/observer team leader, received no punishment for his actions, which resulted in the death of Vicki Weaver.
If you have not read the link do so, even if you are not a gun person, you should see just what your federal government is capable of doing to innocent citizens.
Before I read it the first time I thought Randy Weaver was just some nut job. I still think he is a bit nutty, but that was not against the law. He most certainly did not deserve to have his son and wife murdered over it.
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Originally posted by Seagoon
Guys,
You are missing the point. Guns don't kill people, Ninjas kill people and Ninjas with Guns would kill more people than ever, hence ATFs quick and limited response to the possibly armed Ninja threat in a school zone. Also, since letters from Senators from California have conclusively proved that at present the greatest threat to our border patrol agents is terrorists with .50 caliber rifles bought at US gunshows, ATF is no doubt on alert that these same terrorists might try to heighten their current terror potential by seeking to obtain both Ninja and Pirate skills via training at college campuses to whit:
"Jeremiah Ransom, a sophomore from Macon, was leaving a Wesley Foundation pirate vs. ninja event when he was detained."
So these agents where probably thinking, "Hey look there goes a Jihadi who has just completed Ninja training, he's running to a gunshow to illegallly buy a .50 Caliber rifle with which he'll be able to easily take out border agents from here. Either that or its a great excuse to practice kneeling on the neck of some young punk. That's what I call win-win. Of course, if he had some donuts that would be a trifecta."
Now this is a side of Seagoon rarely seen. :aok
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Thanks Seagoon, you made me spit soda out my nose. I needed the laugh though. :)
Harrrrrr!
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Originally posted by Seagoon
So these agents where probably thinking, "Hey look there goes a Jihadi who has just completed Ninja training, he's running to a gunshow to illegallly buy a .50 Caliber rifle with which he'll be able to easily take out border agents from here. Either that or its a great excuse to practice kneeling on the neck of some young punk. That's what I call win-win. Of course, if he had some donuts that would be a trifecta."
:rofl :aok
ROFL
A trued Windex/paper towel moment.
O`club history in the making.
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Ruby Ridge Randy Weaver was set up by ATF and a warrant was issued for the sale of a shotgun with to short of a barrel
Almost. Randy Weaver sold a shotgun to the ATF that was just over the limit. When he refused to do what they wanted VIA the nazi camp, they procured the shotgun which was now just under the length limit. Weaver could easily point out the hackjob on the stock of the gun.
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a real ninja would have chopped off their heads
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Meanwhile... if yer really serious about a fight; just stuff yer head up yer bellybutton and fight fer air.
Now that is funny!!:rofl :rofl :rofl
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Seagoon that was hilarious! :rofl :rofl :rofl
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"Randy was reluctant about the deal and only relented after Guss continued to badger him about how much he could earn, promising him that the guns would be sold to inner-city gang members „Ÿ the plan supposedly being that the black gang members would kill themselves off. Following the Aryan Nation meeting, Randy agreed to meet Guss a few weeks later with two sawed-off shotguns in exchange for $300.00.
What Randy did not know was that Guss Magisono was actually an informant for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) named Kenneth Fadeley. The ATF had previously arrested Fadeley for gunrunning and had offered him clemency in exchange for becoming an undercover informant for the Bureau."
Sweet form of "Entrapment". The "badgering" highlights it.
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sure..... make light of it but did you know that Weaver failed to pay the $5 tax on sawed off shotguns?
He brought the deaths on himself with such a heinous crime.
lazs