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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Simaril on April 13, 2006, 11:10:57 PM
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I need to apologize for letting my beef with aStone get out of hand tonight on country channel. My behavior moved past persistance into "jerkdom" and I offer no justification; I should have shut up or gone private.
I am sorry if the discussion soured anyone's evening, though I hope you were able to and just give me a snicker.
eagle81...made sure I didnt make any typing errors!
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Darn ... I miss all the good stuff.
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No worries, Sim. It's behavior like the other party's that should be apologized for, not yours.
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is astone offering money to make people leave again?
wuz up wit dat?
:huh
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Actually, yes he is..and that was my beef.
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sorry to hear Sim. from what ive seen you ok guy. shouldnt have to deal with that stuff.
~S~
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Rook stink....the end
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Go on, take the money and run!
Seriously, there's sweetheartbags everywhere. Just squelch them. They thrive on the attention they receive, positive or not. Look at all the idiotic drivel they post in here, and in game. That's not derived from wit, nor from competence. That's just "LOOK AT ME" bull****.
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
Darn ... I miss all the good stuff.
Dagnabbit! I missed it too!
Seriously, I haven't spoken to anyone who was online
last night who participated or witnessed the exchange
the exchange so I really don't know what happend...
But, it shows a lot of class to get in here and offer
that apology. Thats what we need around here...
more class and less sass! :aok
Simaril! :)
You guys do know that aStone is just messin' around
when he offers money, don't ya. ;)
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Originally posted by 96Delta
You guys do know that aStone is just messin' around
when he offers money, don't ya. ;)
DAMN!!!
I was going to go rook and start a paypal account just to make some pocket money.
:D ;)
Bronk
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
Darn ... I miss all the good stuff.
Welcome to the club. :o
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Originally posted by Simaril
Actually, yes he is..and that was my beef.
Well you can always come knight. :D
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Originally posted by 96Delta
...snip....
You guys do know that aStone is just messin' around
when he offers money, don't ya. ;)
Actually, 96, that dosent appear to be true. When I asked him why he offers money to have certain people leave rooks, even though they're good sticks and should be an asset to Rooks (obviously doesnt apply to me, but anyway...), he refused to answer on country channel. He asked me to go private with him, and in that PM conversation he said the following:
"Some good players arent good for the team, " "are better off without them."
"A house divided against itself cannot stand...
"He who is not for us (the loose cannons) is against us.....
"I am a reluctant leader; could it be that you are jealous?...
"If you hurt me, I will hurt you even more...."
I am not making up this B-movie dialogue. At no point did he even imply that his offer to pay his opponents to leave was anything buit serious.
I tried to pont out that HIS team has done worse since his personlity and actions divisively affected the rooks, but he felt that it was better for the game. He just didnt see the internal contradiciton in believing "anyone who doesnt help us reset is working against the team" while HE was making it harder to win by driving good people away.
I've never had anything against the LCA concept or the people, with the single exception of taking down fighter towns FH's and being proud of it. I think missions are great, the game should absolutely be fun for all -- and there's no doubt that mission loving rooks are having more fun since LCA. Stone comes across as a nice guy, and I used to think he was jsut enthusiasitc about the part of the game he loves.
But anyone who cares so much about winning the reset that he is glad to see good PEOPLE go, who threatens to "hurt" a player in a GAME...has some issues with what matters in the real world. (He has almost NINETY HOURS of playtime, just 12 days into the tour.) The reset and the LCA seem to mean so much to him that I wonder if the PEOPLE outside his circle even matter. He honestly sees the capture game as the only one worth playing, and he makes no apologies for driving off people who dont see things the same way...because its "good for the team in the long run."
I dont get it.
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Originally posted by Simaril
I dont get it.
Ego.
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Ego.
What he said.
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Originally posted by Simaril
"Some good players arent good for the team, " "are better off without them."
"A house divided against itself cannot stand...
"He who is not for us (the loose cannons) is against us.....
"I am a reluctant leader; could it be that you are jealous?...
"If you hurt me, I will hurt you even more...."
Stripes translation
Any of you homos touch my stuff.... I'll kill you.
Any of you homos touch me ... I'll kill you.
Any of you homos call me Francis ... I'll kill you.
Reply
" Lighten up Francis."
Bronk
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Originally posted by Bronk
Stripes translation
Any of you homos touch my stuff.... I'll kill you.
Any of you homos touch me ... I'll kill you.
Any of you homos call me Francis ... I'll kill you.
Reply
" Lighten up Francis."
Bronk
OMFGz!!!!!!! QUAH!
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Sim,
When the opportunity arises, just fly through his gun stream. Don't waste your time even responding to his blah blah blah BS. Squelch him.
His BS will fall upon deaf ears.
one-eye :cool:
BTW good post there Bronk
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Originally posted by Simaril
... even though they're good sticks and should be an asset to Rooks (obviously doesnt apply to me, but anyway...)
Knock that off, Sim. I've watched you fly often enough to know you're probably in the top 10%. I think you've just hit a plateau. Fly some different planes for a weekend for a change of pace.
As for WTF is happening with this paid emmigration stuff ... dunno ... I ain't been around other then on the BBS here. I'm assuming its a joke thats been taken a little too far. That's what I'm hoping, anyway.
Of course, this may have some relation to recent threads on cheating and spying too.
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
Knock that off, Sim. I've watched you fly often enough to know you're probably in the top 10%. I think you've just hit a plateau. Fly some different planes for a weekend for a change of pace.
As for WTF is happening with this paid emmigration stuff ... dunno ... I ain't been around other then on the BBS here. I'm assuming its a joke thats been taken a little too far. That's what I'm hoping, anyway.
Of course, this may have some relation to recent threads on cheating and spying too.
Astone has offered me money to leave as well. I believe I was the first he offered to then he followed up with other people.
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Originally posted by Simaril
"Some good players arent good for the team, " "are better off without them."
"A house divided against itself cannot stand...
"He who is not for us (the loose cannons) is against us.....
"I am a reluctant leader; could it be that you are jealous?...
"If you hurt me, I will hurt you even more...."
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So these guys think they're in charge of the Rooks now? "Reluctant leader"? Who the hell are these guys again? Guess I should tread lightly so I dont get "hurt".
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I thought slash was the leader of the rooks. ;)
JMFJ
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Just how much money is this guy offering...? :noid
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
Knock that off, Sim. I've watched you fly often enough to know you're probably in the top 10%. I think you've just hit a plateau. Fly some different planes for a weekend for a change of pace.
As for WTF is happening with this paid emmigration stuff ... dunno ... I ain't been around other then on the BBS here. I'm assuming its a joke thats been taken a little too far. That's what I'm hoping, anyway.
Of course, this may have some relation to recent threads on cheating and spying too.
Simaril has been working with Badboy and Murdr in the TA for the past few weeks. He's showing much improvement and held is own in a big scrum with us on Wednesday night. Us being Murdr, TC, Batfink, Pooface, Infensus (Bighorn), me and several others. Given a few more weeks of practice, Simaril will in the top 5% or better.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by Simaril
"Some good players arent good for the team, " "are better off without them."
"A house divided against itself cannot stand...
"He who is not for us (the loose cannons) is against us.....
"I am a reluctant leader; could it be that you are jealous?...
"If you hurt me, I will hurt you even more...."
I am not making up this B-movie dialogue. At no point did he even imply that his offer to pay his opponents to leave was anything buit serious.
Holy crap, I am so glad I beat the rush and left when I did. This 'New Era of AH" aStone and the LCA are supposedly the founders of may end up finding them on Rooks all alone...maybe that's what they want I dunno...But, being that stupid should be a capital offense...
Zazen
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Simaril, I would like to say you let this guy get under your skin needlessly, however I can't. It's gone beyond playground antics and is seriously ticking me off too. It's really sad how about a year from now someone will be berating knights or bishops for mass raiding, and the LCA trump card (kinda like the race card now) will be pulled, "Remember when the rooks were the raid dweebs". I'm so embarressed.
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I am a Bish...
I have no problem with the LCA...
the rooks horded looooooooooong before the LCA ever existed or al gore invented them.....
the LCA may be the current name of the rook horde but puhlease dont tell me i only now believe there are hordes on every country....
i beleive the knits have their own hodes called joint ops...at least a few times a week i run into huge mission composed of 2-3 squads...
and yes the bish horde as well......
so to sum up.....hordes are everywhere and in every country...given the current MA numbers it is the only way to take a base.
the only difference i see is that the LCA "horde" cant stay off these boards and let the fuss die off....:rolleyes:
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The issue is that it's not just a horde, it's a horde that thinks it IS the Rook country and that anyone that isn't a part of it is a loser that doesn't belong in their way.
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Originally posted by Widewing
Simaril has been working with Badboy and Murdr in the TA for the past few weeks. He's showing much improvement and held is own in a big scrum with us on Wednesday night. Us being Murdr, TC, Batfink, Pooface, Infensus (Bighorn), me and several others. Given a few more weeks of practice, Simaril will in the top 5% or better.
Cool.
If my life ever starts to approximate a stability that could be described as "normal" I may join you guys there and get back the touch for edgework I used to have. Right now with so much going on I just don't have the attention span for prolonged furballs or dogfights. Hell, I gave up sim-racing entirely for the same reason; you just can't take Masta at 200+ while thinking about other things.
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Just the other day one of my guys was posing the question of changing sides. I dont jump sides because of a small group of people that are but a small reflection of the total side.
If I dont like the way something is going I'll go fly somewhere else. I'm not that great of a pilot either, but I still have fun and dont have a knee jerk reaction to jump ship because of a few folks with communication issues or ego's.
It is frustrating at times I'll admit, but I just roll with the punches or try to in any case.
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Originally posted by OOZ662
.... anyone that isn't a part of it is a loser that doesn't belong in their way.
... hmmmm ... where have I heard that very position stated before ...
Is everyone ready for Round #635426543?
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That's their standpoint, that's why. :D I'd like to state also that I've been a Rook for almost my entire AH career and there is no way I'll ever be part of the LCA.:noid
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Originally posted by OOZ662
That's their standpoint, that's why. :D
Nope ... that was the standpoint being applied against the LCA instead of by them for most of the week.
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
for most of the week.
A short time in comparison to how long they've been here.
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Don;t even think of lumping opinions of the LCA with your opinion of Rooks in genersl There's some damn good quads still here, of which I've had the pleasure to fly with 2 of the best, Hells Angels and the 4th Fighter Group.
Don't leave Rooks on account of tards like astone, look up one of the other squads and wing with us :)
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I have a feeling that HT will be implementing something with the effect LCA is having on forcing people to change sides.
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Originally posted by Hoarach
I have a feeling that HT will be implementing something with the effect LCA is having on forcing people to change sides.
Doubt it ... one squad is not the entire problem, only the focal point.
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Originally posted by Simaril
"Some good players arent good for the team, " "are better off without them."
"A house divided against itself cannot stand...
"He who is not for us (the loose cannons) is against us.....
"I am a reluctant leader; could it be that you are jealous?...
"If you hurt me, I will hurt you even more...."
Sounds a little like this chick:
(http://www.donzo.com/AH/borg.jpg)
"Resistence is futile"
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Originally posted by JMFJ
I thought slash was the leader of the rooks. ;)
JMFJ
Man, that would really start an exodus:D
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Originally posted by Widewing
Simaril has been working with Badboy and Murdr in the TA for the past few weeks. He's showing much improvement and held is own in a big scrum with us on Wednesday night. Us being Murdr, TC, Batfink, Pooface, Infensus (Bighorn), me and several others. Given a few more weeks of practice, Simaril will in the top 5% or better.
My regards,
Widewing
yup sim, you certainly aren't in the lower levels! from what i saw you were doing very well, more like top 1% than the top 10% lol
all you need is a little more practise, and maybe mix and match a little, just to spice it up a tad, try new planes and things, always helps for me when i start losing the edge:aok
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Originally posted by Pooface
yup sim, you certainly aren't in the lower levels! from what i saw you were doing very well, more like top 1% than the top 10% lol
all you need is a little more practise, and maybe mix and match a little, just to spice it up a tad, try new planes and things, always helps for me when i start losing the edge:aok
"There's nothing remarkable about it. All one has to do is hit the right keys at the right time and the instrument plays itself."
-- Johannes Sebastian Bach
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That is pretty much the way I feel about it.
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Originally posted by Hoarach
I have a feeling that HT will be implementing something with the effect LCA is having on forcing people to change sides.
Nobody "MADE" you guys switch..... You guys bailed.
Thats fine.... But this whole thing is just getting really lame.
Ok, some of ya like to furrball, Others like to toolshed. WHO CARES!
We all pay our money to play a game. Plain and simple.
If you dont like the way one group plays, WHO CARES!
Just play the game the way you like. Trying to dictate to people that you are "A better pilot and the way they play is beneath me" insinuates that they should play like you do. Lets get real here, the 475th and some other great "Furrball" squads are really the minority of the players in this game.
I dont mean that as a slight to those fellas, But at least 65% of the people who play this game play it for the "War of the Chess pieces"
Its just really getting old seeing this on the BBS.... there is plenty of room for everyone here and I for one have fun playing all aspects of this game. Its a GAME!
Peace out.
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Oh no, here we go again:(
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
Go on, take the money and run!
Seriously, there's sweetheartbags everywhere. Just squelch them. They thrive on the attention they receive, positive or not. Look at all the idiotic drivel they post in here, and in game. That's not derived from wit, nor from competence. That's just "LOOK AT ME" bull****.
He better not be messin around..I just bought me a 2005 GMC loaded!
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Originally posted by FiLtH
He better not be messin around..I just bought me a 2005 GMC loaded!
and just think, you could've gotten Leather seating :)
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Originally posted by Widewing
Simaril has been working with Badboy and Murdr in the TA for the past few weeks. He's showing much improvement and held is own in a big scrum with us on Wednesday night. Us being Murdr, TC, Batfink, Pooface, Infensus (Bighorn), me and several others. Given a few more weeks of practice, Simaril will in the top 5% or better.
My regards,
Widewing
Thanks for the kind words.
The help I've gotten in the TA has made a huge difference... in the practical tactics. I have too many holes in my skill set to be as good as you guys are talking, but with the help I've been getting I dont doubt I'll get near my potential.
The big message I'd send about gettign better is this: it takes 50 times longer to pick things up "on the job" in the MA, adn I know because thats about all I've done till now. I've improved more in the last 3 weeks than I have in the last year on my own. Pop in to the TA, ask a trainer, and start learning how to use the tools right!
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But at least 65% of the people who play this game play it for the "War of the Chess pieces"
where that figure come from? that posted somewhere in a public opinion poll?
you did post one thing in that post that was 100% correct...nobody made us switch. somebody posted earlier, they just roll with the punches...i got tired of rolling with the punches and decided to switch things up a bit.
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yeah, they weren't made to switch, they chose to switch because they got fed up of the rude and ignorant 'generals' on the rooks, a side the 475th have been with for a long time.
now if you're making entire respected squads leave your side, instead of trying to involve them with what you're doing, and instead of extending an open hand, you offer them the finger, what do you expect.
have any of you noticed that these guys like aStone dont have accounts on here? it seems that winning is all that matters to them, and if winning is all they want, then winning is all they shall ever receive, if they ever deliver that to their 'countrymen' at all.
so, i say,
the LCA thing is a done deal, no point in arguing with them, they have already made up their minds. in time, they will see the errors of their ways, and if they dont, so be it, they can walk among the lions blinded by their own arrogance. the best way to convince a fool that he his infact wrong, is to let him have his own way
and i say, if the arrogant jerks want you to leave their chess piece, do so, not because they ask you to, but because we do not pay money to listen to some 'general' order us around, and because if you are not welcomed by your 'countrymen', then are they your friends at all?
and if they are not your friends, what are they but your enemies? if they insult you, attack the way you play, well, so be it. with every insult, not only do they lose a possible friend and ally, but they lose the respect of 10 more. the rate things are going, the rooks, or whatever they may become will become sick of the LCA and leave, and that is only going to totally destroy this fantastic game, or the rooks will finally stand up to the people that have been growing slimily underneath them, and tell them that enough is enough.
i hope to god it's the latter
the days of the LCA 'generals' are numbered. i do not blame the LCA for their actions, afterall, many of them are on, or only just past their 2 week trials. the problem with the LCA is the leadership. aStone and delta are greifers and arrogant knob jockeys, and they will get what's coming to them, most likely through their own doing.
goodnight all :cool:
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Originally posted by SuperDud
Oh no, here we go again:(
Tole ya ... guess I better crank up Photoshop ...
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Originally posted by Simaril
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The big message I'd send about gettign better is this: it takes 50 times longer to pick things up "on the job" in the MA, adn I know because thats about all I've done till now. I've improved more in the last 3 weeks than I have in the last year on my own. Pop in to the TA, ask a trainer, and start learning how to use the tools right!
Yup ... the myth that you learn "by getting shot down a lot" is a crock. In the MA there's not much chance to analyze what happened. In the TA there is, so the deaths at least teach you something.
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Originally posted by Pooface
have any of you noticed that these guys like aStone dont have accounts on here?
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Not sure but astone is formerly AKstone. Who has posted.
Bronk
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Originally posted by Hoarach
Astone has offered me money to leave as well. I believe I was the first he offered to then he followed up with other people.
When I see money change hands then I'll buy into
whatever point you're trying to make...
Ever think he was phishing to see who was
naive enough to take him seriously?
BTW, I'll give each of the 475th $150 each if they will
come back to Rooks! :D
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Originally posted by 96Delta
Ever think he was phishing to see who was
naive enough to take him seriously?
Why?
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Originally posted by 96Delta
When I see money change hands then I'll buy into
whatever point you're trying to make...
Ever think he was phishing to see who was
naive enough to take him seriously?
BTW, I'll give each of the 475th $150 each if they will
come back to Rooks! :D
NOW you want them back???? :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
is that because they ridiculed you infront of your many noobs or because you're 'country' is going to hell?
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Originally posted by killnu
where that figure come from? that posted somewhere in a public opinion poll?
you did post one thing in that post that was 100% correct...nobody made us switch. somebody posted earlier, they just roll with the punches...i got tired of rolling with the punches and decided to switch things up a bit.
I understand that... Trust me
Our squad did the same thing when we came to the Rooks.. But what some of this crap is coming from is from two squads that have a totally different outlook to this game and thinks the other is wrong. Why does it have to be wrong, Cant it just be.....
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Originally posted by Pooface
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is that because they ridiculed you infront of your many noobs or because you're 'country' is going to hell?
Dunno about that last allegation. I peeked in for an hour before dinner. Odds were more balanced than a couple weeks ago, but Rooks were still rolling. Tagged along on a couple LCA missions; one worked, one didn't, big whoop. Everyone was having fun ... even on the whacky Stuka raid.
Killed a few Knit divebombing 24's and Kamistangs from the CV 5-inchers while chatting (oh no ... Knit Griefers!). Killed a couple Bish and Knit pork-dweebs doing "their thing" 2 bases behind the front lines in a D-Hog (oh no ... Bish Griefers!). And got one splendid kill on a Knit Pee-Terd-He-Ate who thought he could rope my D9 at 20K but figured wrong ... ho ho.
Bottom line ... aside from the odds now evening out some, not much seems changed. Much of the idiotic crap I saw on Ch.200 came from the very people who've been preaching "community standards" this last week. Well done.
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Originally posted by Hoarach
Astone has offered me money to leave as well. I believe I was the first he offered to then he followed up with other people.
He was offering you money to date him Hoar.............
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I think its time to start reporting this to HTC...
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and thinks the other is wrong.
ahhh. Most of us, if not all, dont think they are "wrong". we dont like it, but to each thier own. it started to irritate me when 2-3 times a night, that style of play interfered with the fun i was having. so rather than keep "rolling with the punches", i switched. happy to say ive only had to "roll with the punches" about 5 times in past month or so since ive switched. :aok
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Originally posted by Simaril
Actually, yes he is..and that was my beef.
He doesn't have to offer me money. If I could get the squadron to move I would already have been gone.
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Originally posted by Hoarach
I have a feeling that HT will be implementing something with the effect LCA is having on forcing people to change sides.
Nope, won't happen. The only time he has made that kind of change is when something was having a major affect on arena odds. It's the MA, people are supposed to do what they want to do.
As for giving grief to the guys that want to organize, strange, here the griefers are the people that don't care about organizing or winning the war. In the arena, it's usually the other way around...the lil generals and their ilk griefing the people that don't care about "winning" the war. Personally, just have a good time...even virtual life is too short to take this crap so seriously. :D
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The important thing is that we don't get any more of the really boring no place to have fun maps like "infinity"
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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Originally posted by Pooface
NOW you want them back???? :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
is that because they ridiculed you infront of your many noobs or because you're 'country' is going to hell?
I WAS JOKING!!
Oh PooBoy...I am so smitten with you my lad! :D
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Geez, if you Rooks shot as well as you talk, you'd win every map in minutes. At least us Bish can be disorganized without so much lip flap. LOL
Come to think of it, if the Rooks could hookup their mouths to their props, they could probably break the sound barrier at will. Oh! I guess that's what they ARE doing in here. :) LOL
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Originally posted by Sloehand
Geez, if you Rooks shot as well as you talk, you'd win every map in minutes. At least us Bish can be disorganized without so much lip flap. LOL
Come to think of it, if the Rooks could hookup their mouths to their props, they could probably break the sound barrier at will. Oh! I guess that's what they ARE doing in here. :) LOL
:rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by Sloehand
... At least us Bish can be disorganized without so much lip flap. ...
Couldn't prove that by ch.200.
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Originally posted by 96Delta
When I see money change hands then I'll buy into
whatever point you're trying to make...
Ever think he was phishing to see who was
naive enough to take him seriously?
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I'd love to believe he wasnt serious, 96D....but it was clear from what he said to me that he meant it. He saw nothing wrong with working to get people he thought weren't "good for the team" to leave, and said that was the reason he offered money for them to go. He said outright that it was better for the Rooks that they had left -- "a kingdom divided against itself cannot stand" was how HE put it.
With that statement alone you cannot seriously claim that he was kidding.
Also -- if it were a troll, when I called him on it on country channel why didn't he just say "gotcha" on country channel? My "jerk" like behavior was, honestly, continuing to ask the question over and over while he continued to avcoid answering. He only would answer in PM later. At any poin the could have ended it by yanking in the hook on the mother of all country trolls, but he didnt.
I'm not on a mission here; I didnt even bring stone's actions into this thread until your claim that he was just kidding. But, if you're going to absolve him of responsibilty for the current situation I'd like to see you do it logically and with regard to the facts.
I would love nothing more than to have this all be some big misunderstanding. Stone's the one slamming fighter guys ("we just captured 30 -- what are YOU doing to help the team? Or are you busy padding your score?" -- another direct quote) Stone's the one who told Hoarach "You old time players just have to realize that your way of playing is gone forever. We are the wave of teh future, and you'll just have to adjust to the new AH."
So you cant really claim he's jsut a fun loving guy and we're all paranoid.
(BTW if he denies those statements on your squad channel we can see about providing some proof....)
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We all know my head is full of quotes from him. :D
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Originally posted by Simaril
"You old time players just have to realize that your way of playing is gone forever. We are the wave of teh future, and you'll just have to adjust to the new AH."
So Delta. Is this the mission of LCA or what? Let me know as soon as possible if I need to leave your country. I have a large squad to pack up and get moved.
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I was not logged on when you thrashed us Simiril but it takes a lot of heart to look in the mirror, come to this BBS Community, and make amends. We all have been jerks on 200 at one time or another. Many probably forget due to their alcohol blood level at the time. Anyways you get a big
from me.
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En4cer...
Thanks for the . In my book, having integrity means taking responsibility for my actions, and I take full responsibility for my behavior.
Just to clarify, though, I have never trashed the LCA, either on 200 or on the boards. LCA has just as much right to their fun as anyone else; good manners only asks that we step on each others toes as little as possible....
The country channel discussion was entirely about asking aStone to explain how paying good sticks to leave helped the rooks win the war. He refused to answer the question on country channel, and my "jerk" behavior was in not backing down or giving it up. I feel badly that my behavior may have spoiled the evening for some.
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Simaril, trust that theres been a LOT worse seen on Country or 200. >S< for appologizing anyway.
Lets not let Chivalry and Respect die. Not only the "first day AH vets" are the backbone of that. Theres also lots of new guyswith that attitude. KEEP IT. I cant remember how often ive been called "stupid" or "hopeless" because of letting damaged planes RTB instead of picking them, or let a con up, get some alt and then loose a fair fight against him. No, its not stupid, its just another way to view the game.
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I get tired of the "bosses" trying to tell me what to do. Or the bad guys trying to get under my skin. Some times it is just best to squelch the people that are getting to you. As long as you can stop wondering what there saying to you while your not listening.
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dam who let the fng's even have a word about anything? a squad becomes notorious for stinkin up the joint? in their defense they werent the first to do it..but just like Columbus they were the first to have a press conference about it. Dang even the bbs has gone the wayside for indulging these dummy's....
make the bad men stop!
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gonzo... it is not a myth that you learn by "getting shot down a lot"
That is gospel. You can only learn so much tho.... you learn a little more when you "get shot down a lot but kill a few" and then....
you learn even more when you "get shot down a lot but shoot down as many as kill you"
You have to start somewhere. Some of us.... most of us players who started ten years or more ago.... never seen a "trainer" or went one on one in any kind of dueling arena...
I have done it later in my carreer and it was pretty much a waste IMO... I learned things that were of no use to me in the MA. It is a different skill set.
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Originally posted by lazs2
gonzo... it is not a myth that you learn by "getting shot down a lot"
... You can only learn so much tho.... ...
That was my point. People just give this blanket advice and send the n00bs into the fray expecting some mystical flash of enlightenment to occur after near-constant defeat. And what they learn most and soonest doing things this way is to HO and gang-bang and vultch.
Mixing it up will grant you some basic skills. You can learn more about all of the levels of the game by hooking up with one person and winging together for a while.
As for this thread ... Simaril, as I said, I've observed you to be in the upper echelon already ... even before you started working in the TA ... I ain't online often these days, but when I am I'd gladly wing with you.
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You learn a lot getting shot down. IF you have someone explaining you why and telling you how to avoid and do better.
Getting shot a lot, just becoming frustrated and never have the slightes idea why will help you nothing.
IMHO, FUN is the best teacher. Whatever you do, its got to be rewarding fun wise. Thats not neccessarily mean you see the "You shot down xxx" a lot.
Another thing: sometimes (for me practically all the time) you feel like youre stuck, getting worse instead of better. Go take a look at a film you recorded a few weeks ago..... that will usually show you the difference.
Edit: this is coming from someone who just got her butt creamed in the DA. Who and how youre fighting is important, not if you win or loose.
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If you can't learn from getting shot down in the MA then you won't learn in the training area.
It is that simple. what you learn in the training area is not transferable for the most part. How is someone so dumb that they can't learn in the MA by getting shot down gonna transfer one on one skills to an arena the is allmost never.... one on one.
for the most part... you are wasting your time in any training or dueling arena.... once you get fairly good you might have some guy that keeps reversing you show you how it is done tho.
The only reason that a lot of people don't learn from mistakes in the MA is because they don't have the will to.
lazs
Public Realations Officer for the BK's
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Originally posted by lazs2
If you can't learn from getting shot down in the MA then you won't learn in the training area.
IMHO thats NOT true.
Of course always depending on the skill level you already have.
As a ten year game vet, you might have to look for 1 vs 1 training from members of the training corps.
But as the "average MA player" i think you can alway learn in the TA. And ive "taught" many a regular MA player in the TA.
Learning: That might mean explaining things to a noob. In having to explain difficult matters in easily understandable, few lines you learn to understand them better yourself.
I dont think time in the TA or DA is wasted. It might not be literally translatable to MA, but you certainly learn about dogfight, about your plane, about tactics, about E management and a whole bunch of other things. The thing is not only learn what to do in a specific situation, but also learn the how and why, therefor being able to "translate" it to toher situations and fights.
Originally posted by lazs2
The only reason that a lot of people don't learn from mistakes in the MA is because they don't have the will to.
I FULLY AGREE. You have to haev the willingness to change your ways and to LISTEN. Listen and THINK about what someone tells you! Then decide if you want to apply what he proposes or not.
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I disagree... the only thing you need to aquire going from the DA to the MA is "SA". The mechanics and "moves" are still the same, you just have to be able to keep track of several different planes and make decisions as to what the best course of action will be.
You are going to be wrong a lot, and die a lot, even if you are "good", but IMO the "skills" transfer over.
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I learned everything from MA.
When first started flew the spit 9 for a week just to get the hang of AH. Then flew la5 for another week or two. Then went to a 51 for another month to get a different aspect. Then stuck out in the 38 thanks to deli getting me into it.
Was hard to begin with getting shot down over and over but then caught on and started learning from my mistakes. I didnt film anything so didnt learn from films. If I messed up by doing something to either avoid an attack or pounce on someone I would change it up and just try something different until something works.
I think MA is the best place to learn as you wont get hoards in the TA but I think the TA is best for people brand new to the game.
I dont find myself good in the 38 and now thats its been porked have to learn anew and still find myself that there are other ways to polish my skills in the 38. For example I was working on stuff in a nik in FT on the donut map and learned to do a real nice reversal to be used on opponents diving in real hot and now working it into the 38.
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Thinking in terms of the OODA loop .... I think experience in the MA can teach observe, orient and act well...but to really "decide" what move is best I needed someone to tell me what moves are avaiable and how they work. At some point the carpenter needs to know what the tools are and how they work; only the truly gifted can naturally design the tools from scratch.
That may just be me, though.
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I do not think its just you Simaril.
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someone let astone know that I can be bought :)
$100 bux a month and I may leave the republic(knights) for the evil empire (rooks) :)
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DiKta #9 - Decisions Make An Ace.
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For what it's worth:
me·lee also mê·lée (m-l)
n.
1. 1. Confused, hand-to-hand fighting in a pitched battle.
2. A violent free-for-all. See Synonyms at brawl.
2. A confused tumultuous mingling, as of a crowd: the rush-hour melee.
Well, that's me - confused :D
Hey Simaril, congrats on you newfound skills. I've been noticing that every time I blink I see the buffer saying:
SYSTEM: Simaril has landed a Bazillion kills of 4rth Fighter Group
Conversely it's been a week since I've landed any kills and I seem to be going in the opposite direction.One can only assume that you have stolen my MOJO ;)
Magoo
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Originally posted by Iceman24
someone let astone know that I can be bought :)
$100 bux a month and I may leave the republic(knights) for the evil empire (rooks) :)
He's paying people to leave Rooks, not come Rooks...
Zazen
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Originally posted by Magoo
SYSTEM: Simaril has landed a Bazillion kills of 4rth Fighter Group
You are thinking of a 'Brazilian' :lol
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"He's paying people to leave Rooks, not come Rooks..."
ok then let him know that I will be switching to rook and if he wants me to leave he'll need to pay me :)
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Originally posted by Magoo
...snip...
Hey Simaril, congrats on you newfound skills. I've been noticing that every time I blink I see the buffer saying:
SYSTEM: Simaril has landed a Bazillion kills of 4rth Fighter Group
Conversely it's been a week since I've landed any kills and I seem to be going in the opposite direction.One can only assume that you have stolen my MOJO ;)
Magoo
If "bazillion" means "some random number under 6" then I might buy it...because my personal record is 6 i think. Most are 3-4 if I get back. I've never managed the masterful work it takes to land the 8-10 I see fly by on the buffer some nights....
On the other hand Dedalos may have a point, because when i fly the P47D-25 I do use that brazilian skin....
Honestly, though, while its nice to get complements, I think the truth is that I'm a good player COMPARED TO WHERE I USED TO BE. That change started when I decided to go for training regularly, either "pick up" style in TA or by appointment in the DA. I'm realizing that for me at least "getting experience" in the MA means making the same mistakes over and over while occasionaly stumbling across a new idea.
I am a long long way from having the skill to show up in the fighter ranking list, or even to just be a "name". I'm getting the idea of how to fight, but dont for a minute think I'm approaching the higher reaches of game skill.
As a lifelong victim of CIS ("Coordination Impairment Syndrome,"), I'd be more inclined to say that if I can do it, just about anybody can.
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Sim, one of the guys I used to fly with not only flew A7's off the Midway in SE Asia, but was also a Navy flight instructor at Miramar, and his Dad led a B17 group over Germany. He was quick to acknowledge that there is a lot more going on in Air Warrior (and so therefore WB and AH) than just "dog fighting." This is so much more than a hand-eye-coordination game; the fact that we have so many people who fly while drunk proves that. :D
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HICCUP :rolleyes:
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civil war in rookland ??! Cool !
"Divide et impera"
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How do you divide a herd of cats?
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"Sim, one of the guys I used to fly with not only flew A7's off the Midway in SE Asia"
I went on a tour of that carrier about 2 months ago while I was in San Diego, it's a big Museum now. Very very cool ship, had every type of korea/vietnam era plane as well as an F14 and a bunch of choppers. They even have actual simulators setup that are built out of F4 and skyhawk cockpits that you can sit in and fly. Its pretty cool, they have a bunch of retired F18 hornet pilots that give you a brief runthrough of the control systems and then 1 will hop in the back seat and operate the radar and all that. I shot down 3 - SU27's over San Diego bay, the second to last I got with guns and last kill I made him auger :) Then you get to go do some cv landings and then a simulated landing at Baghdad Int'l airport with simulated AAA. I never died once and the F18 pilot was impressed that I knew so much ACM's I had to tell him about this game, he said him and some of his buddy's would check it out. When I was leaving they said they are going to switch all the aircraft to WWII era sometime in April so I definately want to go back now :) Anyways if you get a chance check it out, its a blast.
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***Learning by getting killed a lot.
I think what people mean is that you learn by actually getting into a fight. Fight either someone better or more than one. You will get killed a lot, but you will learn a lot. So, it is true.
***TA/DA Skills
You can definetly play it safe and never actually put yourself in a situation where any dogfighting skills would be needed. If thats how you play then what ever you learn in 1 vs 1 training would be useless to you except for when someone else like y ou comes in a little higher.
If however you like to fight, SA (that you can learn only in the MA) alone cannot help you. You need to know what your plane can do, what you can do, how to dodge bulets, etc.
So, 1 vs 1 skills are only good only they fit your flying stile.
***Why you learn more in the DA/TA?
Easy to answer. You can get in over 100 1 vs 1 focusing on ACM only and not woring about cherry pickers etc in less than 1 hour. IN the MA you have to fly for 10 minutes to either get HOed, Picked, Ganged, or do those things yourself. It would take years in the MA to match 1 month in the DA with someone good.
***Why I would not recomend to anyone new to try the DA (TA is ok)
Well, its a game. Part of the fun is figuring it out. Once you do and you become good, you get borred. The reason I made it in here for 3 years is that I sucked for the first 2 (and still do)
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personally I couldn't buy a kill until pellik and murdr took me to the da and showed me some fundamentals and worked with me a bit. I didn't know a lick about advanced ACM's either. If it wasn't for the DA, I would still be a total newb. IMO it takes both to be a descent stick, certain things like multiple con SA is allot easier to learn in the MA. But to help someone learn advanced acm's like a rolling scissors or stall fighting can be tought allot easier in the TA or DA versus just upping and getting ganged in the MA. Personally the DA helped me more than anything, of coarse some people may learn new habits easier different ways, I suggest using both.
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Originally posted by Iceman24
I went on a tour of that carrier about 2 months ago while I was in San Diego, it's a big Museum now. Very very cool ship, had every type of korea/vietnam era plane as well as an F14 and a bunch of choppers. They even have actual simulators setup that are built out of F4 and skyhawk cockpits that you can sit in and fly. Its pretty cool, they have a bunch of retired F18 hornet pilots that give you a brief runthrough of the control systems and then 1 will hop in the back seat and operate the radar and all that. I shot down 3 - SU27's over San Diego bay, the second to last I got with guns and last kill I made him auger :) Then you get to go do some cv landings and then a simulated landing at Baghdad Int'l airport with simulated AAA. I never died once and the F18 pilot was impressed that I knew so much ACM's ...
I had a similar experience years ago at SIGGRAPH in LA. The Navy research group from Monterey (I think it was Navy ... it's been many years) had their multi-base flight sim system set up - it was a flight sim which allowed people from many airbases to do what we do every night, but in jets.
So I start asking them about comm's and how they handle IFF and so on. But they're really more interested in seeing nerdly hackers try to fly and crash. They didn't have this unit hooked into the network, so you were just screaming around the terrain by yourself, but there were lots of hills and stuff. While I was chatting I kept hearing them tell people trying it: "Don't feel bad, flying a modern jet is very tough" ... and so on.
Anyway, they started to get annoyed with me (who me? ... hehe) and asked if I'd like to try flying ... the way they said it, I knew they wanted to see me auger like everyone else. Ho ho ho. Well, after having flown AW for so many years - even with it's bizarre interpretation of "physics" - it only took like 15 seconds to get the hang of it. The guys in the flightsuits weren't happy ... so they said: "Here, try this." and typed on the console and suddenly I was in the Grand Canyon going at some ungodly speed.
Of course, I didn't bounce off the Canyon's walls like they wanted, and after about a minute they asked me to give up the seat because "others were waiting." Which, they weren't. Hehehe. PWN3D!
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unfortunately I had to play against stupid AI SU27's not much of a threat there lol I wish they would have had a setup like you flew in, I would have loved to whoop up on some navy insect (super hornet ) pilots :)
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Originally posted by dedalos
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If however you like to fight, SA (that you can learn only in the MA) alone cannot help you. You need to know what your plane can do, what you can do, how to dodge bulets, etc.
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I dunno ... I think the longer you've been at this the more your SA and instincts become part of your arsenal. You need to rely less on hand-eye skills because you can predict better what's going to happen.
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
I dunno ... I think the longer you've been at this the more your SA and instincts become part of your arsenal. You need to rely less on hand-eye skills because you can predict better what's going to happen.
Correct, and once you predict that you are in troble, you have to do something about it. Just knowing that you are crewed cause the turning went a little longer and the lala,spit, nik, 38 cought up with you, is not enough. Some how you have to find a way out of it.
Unless you are saing that by using SA alone you will never get in troble. Too mach SA leads to flying at 20K and picking and running. The fun is in controling how mach troble you get in and trying to get out of it. Thats when ACM comes in.
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Originally posted by dedalos
... The fun is in controling how mach troble you get in and trying to get out of it. Thats when ACM comes in.
Yes ... but give it another ten years and see where you put the balance between SA and ACM, you may be surprised how far you can push things without having to rely on fancy moves.