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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Seagoon on April 14, 2006, 12:15:34 PM
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Hi All,
I find Zacarias Moussaoui's published comments during his trial interesting if only because they perfectly express the general pattern of Jihadi thinking. If more people really had a grasp on that, then they'd understand that this is not a conflict that will dissappear or be negotiated away.
Here are some of the main points:
1) The present Jihad is simply a continuation of the struggle against the enemies of Islam that has been going on since the 7th century
2) There are only two sides in that struggle, those who are for Allah and Islam and those who are against Allah and Islam.
2) That struggle must continue until all the enemies of Islam are conquered or dead
3) Those who fight against Islam deserve no pity or mercy
4) If a lie told to an infidel will advance the course of the Jihad, then it is a good thing
Now one may not choose to believe that the above concepts are truly part of Islam (regardless of whether Muhammad employed or endorsed them in his own conduct of Jihad) but the fact remains, those waging Jihad really do believe them, and those concepts are being taught in Masjids throughout the world. Please be assured that Moussaoui didn't arrive at his worldview by himself.
Points 2 & 4 in particular, desperately need to be understood in the West. No promise or offer made by a Jihadi to his enemies should be considered trustworthy, and we need to understand that Jihadis don't really discriminate between Republicans and Democrats, Americans and Israelis. To them, either you are "fer" or you're "agin." That's why killing Australians, Irishmen, Britons, Spaniards, Italians, or Americans of all political stripes and persuasions is legitimate in their eyes, and why we ultimately stand or fall together.
ALEXANDRIA, Va.(AP) - Confessed al-Qaida conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui said Thursday it made his day to hear accounts of Americans' suffering from the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks and he would like to see similar attacks "every day."
Taking the witness stand for the second time in his death-penalty trial Thursday, Moussaoui mocked a Navy sailor who wept on the stand as she described the death of two of her subordinates.
"I think it was disgusting for a military person" to cry, Moussaoui said of the testimony of Navy Lt. Nancy McKeown. "She is military, she should expect people at war with her to want to kill her."
Asked if he was happy to hear her sobbing, he said, "Make my day."
Moussaoui said he had "no regret, no remorse" about the 9/11 attacks. Asked by prosecutor Rob Spencer if he would like to see it happen again, Moussaoui responded: "Every day until we get you."
Moussaoui also said on cross-examination that he is convinced
President Bush will free him before the end of his term and that he will return to London.
Prosecutor Rob Spencer tried several times to get Moussaoui to say he didn't really believe that, but Moussaoui was insistent.
"I haven't doubted it for one single second," said Moussaoui, adding that the vision came to him in a dream just like his dream of flying a plane into the White House....
Offering a lengthy explanation of why he hates Americans, Moussaoui criticized the United States' support for Israel. He said Muslims have been at war with Christians and Jews for centuries. Israel, he said, is "just a missing star in the American flag."
Moussaoui told jurors that Islam requires Muslims to be the world's superpower as he flipped through a copy of the Koran searching for verses to support his assertions. One he cited requires non-Muslim nations to pay a tribute to Muslim countries.
"We have to be the superpower. You have to be subdued. We have to be above you," Moussaoui said. "Because Americans, you are the superpower, you want to eradicate us."
At one point, defense lawyer Gerald Zerkin asked Moussaoui if he thought he was helping his case when he testified earlier that he planned to pilot a plane into the White House on Sept. 11.
"I was putting my trust in God, so from an Islamic point of view, yes," Moussaoui responded, acknowledging that non-Muslims might view his testimony as harmful to his case.
At several points during his afternoon testimony, Moussaoui acknowledged that he has lied when it has suited his interests throughout the course of his four-year case....
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His mother was invited to a daily news show (Le Vrai Journal on Cplus), and among other things, said people were just looking for a scapegoat... that her son's persecution was all Bush's fault.
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how much longer will the west wait before it gives islam a complete overhaul? What will it take? Should we let Islam arm itself with nuclear weapons? do we even have a choice? Islam with a nuclear arsenal makes the former USSR look like a horny buddhist monk to me :cry
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This guy is as good as dead I guess. Probably wants it too...
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If more people really had a grasp on that, then they'd understand that this is not a conflict that will dissappear or be negotiated away.
Please spell out what exactly it is you are advocating, because I'm reading it as you are advocating wiping out every living muslim. I mean that's the only way to be sure, nuke them from orbit, type of thing.
I do find it ironic that the Jihadi's and Bush use the same "you're either with us or against us" rhetoric.
At times, I get the impression that this BBS is an extension of your congregational pulpit. (and no that's not attack...it's an opinion....we can still have those, I think)
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Hello Stringer,
Originally posted by Stringer
Please spell out what exactly it is you are advocating, because I'm reading it as you are advocating wiping out every living muslim. I mean that's the only way to be sure, nuke them from orbit, type of thing.
I do find it ironic that the Jihadi's and Bush use the same "you're either with us or against us" rhetoric.
At times, I get the impression that this BBS is an extension of your congregational pulpit. (and no that's not attack...it's an opinion....we can still have those, I think)
Where in this post, or anywhere for that matter do I advocate wiping out every living Muslim??? The post was a comment on the doctrine of Jihad as it is taught, understood, and practiced by modern Jihadis with particular reference to the comments of one of the 9/11 conspirators. If I had any points to make, it was that this is a death or victory struggle for them, and that the people they have identified as "the enemies of Islam" would do well to get serious about standing together against them, because appeasement is clearly not going to work. Are you opposed to that idea?
As for this BB being an "extension of my congregational pulpit," all I can say is "not even close." In the pulpit I preach sequentially through books of the Bible. I've just finished going through Luke in the mornings, and Joshua in the evenings, so I am currently going through 1 Corinthians in the Evening and will soon begin working through Daniel in the morning. As a general rule, I don't mention party politics in the pulpit at all and my main aim in preaching is to declare the good news of the gospel and call people to faith in Jesus Christ.
If it is an "extension" of anything, what I write on the BB is an extension of my everyday and mealtime conversation.
- SEAGOON
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BOOM BOOM BOOM OUT GOES THE LIGHTS!!!!!!!!
Screw those urine colored azzes of jack.
And for this assclown he should be impaled right up the wazoo and left in a courtyard for people to go urinate on his corpes.
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Psst....Moussaoui, they aren't virgins anymore. I "tested" em.
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Originally posted by Stringer
Please spell out what exactly it is you are advocating, because I'm reading it as you are advocating wiping out every living muslim. I mean that's the only way to be sure, nuke them from orbit, type of thing.
Works for me.
I do find it ironic that the Jihadi's and Bush use the same "you're either with us or against us" rhetoric.
Inasmuch as they have had that same mentality for centuries About Non muslims.
Remember. For them the Crusades never ended
"1) The present Jihad is simply a continuation of the struggle against the enemies of Islam that has been going on since the 7th century "
Is very accurate
Its about time we stop *****footing around and started playing by the same rules
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Originally posted by Seagoon
this is a death or victory struggle for them,
- SEAGOON
For quite a few of them, apparently, death IS victory.
Ya gotta watch out fer them types.
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I don't disagree with anything you said Seagoon. I think it's not become their crusade. Convert the world, kill those who don't or die trying.
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freakin idiots, dont they realise that this was why god invented seperate countries miles apart from each other?
oh.....yeah......i forgot......they got a stinking dusty diseased sand pit and we (for the most part) got teh lush and fruitfull promised land where our women can show off their ankles in peace.
I'd be pretty bummed too.
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Ya know, I'm normally all for the death penalty, but this dude needs to be kept alive. Lock him in a room and toss away the room but don't kill him. If the United States executes this idiot, we will have screwed ourselves by making him a hero for the rest of those idiots.
Put him in solitary and pipe in the gospel of Rev Jerry Fallwell, Benny Hin, and every other tele-evangalist into his cell for the next 100 years. He'll crack.
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What would be the use of that? That's cruel and unusual punishment.. is that just a fancy idealistic principle, or what?
Get the just and deserved sentence delivered, and move on.
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Originally posted by Hornet33
Ya know, I'm normally all for the death penalty, but this dude needs to be kept alive. Lock him in a room and toss away the room but don't kill him. If the United States executes this idiot, we will have screwed ourselves by making him a hero for the rest of those idiots.
Put him in solitary and pipe in the gospel of Rev Jerry Fallwell, Benny Hin, and every other tele-evangalist into his cell for the next 100 years. He'll crack.
Better idea.
Throw him in a cage with wild bores and let the pigs kill him.
Then broadcast it on Islamic TV
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the point is we are at war with these guys and have been since revolutionary times. I don't see why anyone fails to understand this. it's a cultural war and they mean to win it.
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Have to agree with Hornet on this one. At first I was all for executing this dude, but now, I wish I was on the jury to hold out against death.
I'm tired of wasting my money on this putz. Find a dark hole and throw him in it. Every once in a while take one of the locked up redneck trustees and let him have his way with this muslim pig. Feeding him pork every morning for breakfast, and any ACLU flunky that comes to defend his civil rights gets to spend a week in the hole with him.
This tard should live a long tortured life, and I've never wished that on anyone.
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Either way I KNOW some small cook fringe group is going to come rallying to his deffense to free him and protest that it's all the govts fault.