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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Revor on April 15, 2006, 09:01:27 AM
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I say this because there's a lot of people that doesnt know how to land on carriers therefore making the battle a lot shorter and more difficult to find enemy targets. The majority of the time in the pacific the land fighters win because of this. People try to land on carriers they either crash or lose parts while landing therefore ending their flight when they try to refuel or rearm.
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Ohhhkaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay....
Moving swiftly along.... ;)
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My guns are hard to aim when I drink that beer stuff!! WTF I want lazer range finders and sharks with frickin lazer beems!
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Originally posted by Revor
I say this because there's a lot of people that doesnt know how to land on carriers therefore making the battle a lot shorter and more difficult to find enemy targets. The majority of the time in the pacific the land fighters win because of this. People try to land on carriers they either crash or lose parts while landing therefore ending their flight when they try to refuel or rearm.
Well, bring these people to the TA and we'll teach them how to land on a carrier, and take off again. There's usually a CV right next to A1, and if not I can jump one there in a blink.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by Morpheus
My guns are hard to aim when I drink that beer stuff!! B]
I have a cure for that. Just keep drinking. In no time at all you will 1,2 sometimes 3 or 4 of the same target to shoot at. You can`t miss.
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Im sure they could make island in there that you could rearm at somewhere. But for those that cant land on a carrier, it isnt hard, just takes practice.
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Shift G
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Practice, and when you become competent you too can earn this.
Big Fat Dog Award
(http://www.332nd.org/BFD.jpg)
Awarded to any member who can take off and land three times in a row, (without splashing) from a CV in a F4U-D with 100% fuel, rockets, and 2-1000lb bombs. No easy task!
Most in my squad have it. We are not afraid of a Pacific Squad Ops. ;)
For all our squad awards go here.
http://www.332nd.org/commendations.htm
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I regularly land and re-arm my P47N on cv's--I can usually get it stopped before I run past the last wire. (Only in fighter mode, not enough deck to get it off with bombs)
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I think historically fighters dumped any excess ord before landing on the carrier, to get your award you landing with ord or dumping / rearming?
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Originally posted by daddog
Practice, and when you become competent you too can earn this.
Big Fat Dog Award
(http://www.332nd.org/BFD.jpg)
Awarded to any member who can take off and land three times in a row, (without splashing) from a CV in a F4U-D with 100% fuel, rockets, and 2-1000lb bombs. No easy task!
Most in my squad have it. We are not afraid of a Pacific Squad Ops. ;)
For all our squad awards go here.
http://www.332nd.org/commendations.htm
Hey your plane has boobs. :aok
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you can take SB's out quickly rearming a b26 on cv
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Originally posted by daddog
Practice, and when you become competent you too can earn this.
Big Fat Dog Award
(http://www.332nd.org/BFD.jpg)
Awarded to any member who can take off and land three times in a row, (without splashing) from a CV in a F4U-D with 100% fuel, rockets, and 2-1000lb bombs. No easy task!
Most in my squad have it. We are not afraid of a Pacific Squad Ops. ;)
For all our squad awards go here.
http://www.332nd.org/commendations.htm
Actually, taking an F4U-1D off with a full load is VERY easy... 99% of the players simply don't know the ultra-simple secret.
Full Flaps..... That's it, drop full flaps while the engine is starting. Once the engine is running, go to full power with WEP. Retract the gear immediately and you WILL NOT lose any altitude.
I've heard all manner of methods discussed... But all fall short of simply using full flaps. Some people advocate dropping some flaps as they approach the bow.. Some advocate backing up, some suggest both.
However, the fact remains that simply using full flaps with WEP right from where the plane spawns is easy, simple and works every time.
Landing with a full load is just as easy.
I've got plenty of CV training films of this should anyone want to see how its done.
My regards,
Widewing
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What WW said. Full flaps and it's practically a cakewalk. Jolly Rogers carrier quals are traditionally 5 takeoffs and landings filmed or witnessed by the qualifying dude. Full ord and fuel optional but recommended.
We awarded: (http://i21.ebayimg.com/01/i/01/3e/3d/d9_1.JPG)
Then we got the new guy drunk and had our own version of a tailhook scandal.
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I think landing a F4U on a CV is much easier then landing on a runway. Sounds like a good excuse to practice :)
Gear down, hook down, flaps full, add throttle to aim for the 3 wire. On the deck, cut your throttle all the way back (off) so you don't roll backwards off the deck.
Gunner
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learning how to fly from and on to a carrier is just one sacrifice we all make so that those that would really prefer to fly the PTO birds in a FSO enviromant can enjoy thier desired birds and fights as they make sacrfices for the rest of us that enjoy the ETO area birds and fights..
outlaw
332nd
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Originally posted by GunnerCAF
I think landing a F4U on a CV is much easier then landing on a runway.
I gotta agree with that.
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Originally posted by bj229r
I regularly land and re-arm my P47N on cv's--I can usually get it stopped before I run past the last wire. (Only in fighter mode, not enough deck to get it off with bombs)
I can get a P-47N, with FULL fuel, and two 1,000 pounders, off of a CV without undue drama, starting from the normal spawn point.
If you landed aboard, just back-taxi to the wires to rearm. Dump full flaps, use WEP and get the tail up ASAP. It will wallow a bit, so don't apply excessive back-pressure on the elevators until you see about 110 mph IAS. Follow these instructions and you should have no problems.
My regards,
Widewing
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We allow our guys to drop their ord before landing again, rearm and repeat twice.
LOL BBQ.
I will have to try the full flaps. I do it by giving 2 knotches of flaps when I am almost off the deck. Works well for me. Others roll back near the edge of the deck and that works well also.
Anyone know how they "really" did it? Did they take off using full flaps?
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(http://home.att.net/~ww2aviation/F4Utrap2.JPG)
http://home.att.net/~ww2aviation/Bentwings.html
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Practice landing on a turning cv..if you can do that, regular landings are cake.
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Not as hard as takeoffs from a turning CV. But that can be done too.
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I for the life of me have yet to crash a plane while LANDING ON A CV...BUT BUT BUT taking off is near impossible for me in an F4U...I crashed prolly 75% of the time but will now try the full flaps/wep thingie...
landing on a cv is easy-try landing a 262 or an fw as smooth as a slow plane with a hook and wire and its not gonna happen-maybe the 262 is sooo nerve racking due to the points but the fw is a pain in the butt as well with the hop and skip and hop routine...
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well, JohnnyRa, showed me something intriguing in the TA 1 day, he landed a 262 rolled it back toward the wires, turned it and took off from the CV from the left side of the wires, no rolling start, just took clean off sort of like a Harrier would do............ tryed it never could do it myself, he got SKILLZ ROFL hahaha
learning to land on a HARD TURNING cv and coming in HOT, because of enemys chasing you is something you might want to practice, learn the right approach, and it becomes a cake walk............don't forget to call the ball......:D
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Revor
Each theater has its own unique challenges sir.
Takeoff & landings on CV's are just part of what makes a Pacific setup different from a ETO one.Granted you could do a Pacific setup from all land bases. But its kinda like a peanut butter & jelly sandwich with no peanut butter.
To pull the Pacific setups entirely simply cuts out 1/3 or more of the war.
The whole point of squad ops is that not that everyone will excell in every setup. But to try to consistantly do your best in a wide variety of planes, and situations. Thats part of what makes it the best flying in AH as far as I'm concerned.
Last, all anyone who has problems has to do is drop the trainers a line.
Or pop into the TA and spend an hour or 2.
They'll find lots of help if needed, you just have to ask for it.
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You want to be a bad prettythang Skilled F4U Aviator then hook up with the Jolly Rogers (I'm the Training Officer) one night and within a short time you will have your 5 traps and shots in a F4U-1D. I will personally drive to where ever you are and give you the blood wings. Well probably not but you will know how to get it done. Its simply just like Widewing and Arlo say.