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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Igloo on October 07, 2000, 06:45:00 AM
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Without being biased, who do you think won the presidental and vice-pres debates, and why?
Personally, I was suprised Bush didn't pass out or stand there drooling. But I do think Gore won , same with his vice.
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Squadron Leader, Igloo.
C/O RCAF 411 Squadron - County of York (http://www.trueorigins.net/411rcaf)
"Problems cannot be solved with the same awareness that created them" - Albert Einstein[/i]
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Without being biased....Personally, I was suprised Bush didn't pass out or stand there drooling
Igloo, your post should read like this.
I am a democrat. I think all Repulicans are dumb, ugly and stupid. I think the debates are a waste of time because I am so closed minded to open up and SEE the issues and LOOK at the people running.
BTW I thought neither of the canidates won that debate. It was a more of a feeling out debate. Gore with his sighing and 12 year old antics while Bush was talking really did disturb me though.
The VP debates on the other hand were a different story. Sure it was boring as hell, but at least Lieberman acted his age and debated Cheney on a mature level.
[This message has been edited by devildawg (edited 10-07-2000).]
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I抦 biased. I support Bush because of his policies on education, and his overall conservative platform. I was relieved that he did as well as he did in the debate.
I would most likely vote for Bush even if he were clearly beaten by Gore in that setting. I think many people are the same way. If you already know what kind of government you want for the country, you minimized the weaknesses of your candidate in this debate. If you were sitting on the fence before the debate, you probably still are. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
[This message has been edited by Gunthr (edited 10-07-2000).]
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I was more impressed with the VP debate than the Pres. Who knows who won as it doesn't matter how they did but how the media spins it. What I've seen so far, the media is spinning as expected.. Gore wins (which is BS). It's all turned into such as load of crap. Doesn't matter what's right or wrong, your track record or anything .. just who spins what last and who has the best commercials (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
Bush isn't perfect but I feel would be better for our country in more ways than Gore thus he get's my vote. Voted for Dole in 96, he has it over both of these candidates and still didn't win because of the media, BS commercials and a truly uninformed / don't give a crap public...
Riddle me this batman, why is the race neck and neck? With the economy as good as it is, historically Gore should be running away with this one. Why not? Because his boss is a crook, liar, and perv and he stands by his boss... not to mention Gore wouldn't know the truth if it jumped up and bit him in the arse (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Eagler
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Didn't Gore invent the Internet??
'Nuff said.
Cobra
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I can't believe we have two canidates running that actually make Ralph Nader a viable candidate (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
Just have to figure out wich one I dislike the least. Such is the struggle when you have to pick which politician you like best.
AKDejaVu
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Originally posted by Cobra:
Didn't Gore invent the Internet??
'Nuff said.
Cobra
The calculator too (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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...and the man's running on Medi-scare (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Originally posted by Gunthr:
...and the man's running on Medi-scare (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Sad part is, that was enough to beat Dole four years ago....
Can't believe what a big deal they are making outa prescription drugs. They way they make it sound, we shoud see old people standing around outside drug stores like homeless people because they can not afford their medications. Talk about making a mountain out of a mole hill. If that's our biggest concern in this country, then we aint got nothing to complain about. Problem is it's one of our smallest but effect's a large voting population thus all the time and $$ spend on the inflated issue.
Eagler
[This message has been edited by Eagler (edited 10-09-2000).]
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Didn't Gore invent the government itself?
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Eagler, I think you hit it right on the head! Im in the Coast Guard and Im stationed at the St. Pete/Clearwater airport. I've lost count on how many times we have seen Bush/Cheney's plane, or AF 2 parked there. While its fun to blast their plane with rotor wash while hover taxiing, it does get old (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) Nothing worse than a old person...except for a pissed off old person at the pharmacy counter waiting on their pills (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) I know, I was at the pharmacy on Macdill getting some meds for the wife...you shoulda seen those old timers in there. It was like a mini-crash-up-derby with all their litle carts and canes (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
[This message has been edited by devildawg (edited 10-08-2000).]
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I believe Gore won. That does not make me a democrat, or close minded. In fact, I am Canadian, and a VERY open minded individual.
All republicans are not stupid. Bush has an I.Q. equal to that of an orange, but that does not mean all Republicans are stupid.
The reason I believed Gore won was because he actually answered the big questions. Bush showed his inability to grasp international concepts with the question relating to Yugoslavia. Gore immediatly corrected his response of wanting to get Russia to help with the process. Obviously Bush had no understanding of the current relationship between Russia, Yugoslavia and the US. Gore, being the V.P., obviously did/does.
Bush also made immature statements (albiet with broken sentences) regarding the ignorant and overly repulicized statement regarding Gore and the internet.
I am neither a democrat, or republican. However, based on what I have seen during this years campaign it seems that Gore knows what he is doing and has the experience. Bush couldn't count the toes on a tadpole, has no international experience, and seems to be gung-ho in regards to the military. Baaad combination.
Elect whomever you wish. You have that right. But I can garentee you that you will not be better off electing Bush than if you were to re-elect Clinton.
Like attracts like - a Universal Law.
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Squadron Leader, Igloo.
C/O RCAF 411 Squadron - County of York (http://www.trueorigins.net/411rcaf)
"Problems cannot be solved with the same awareness that created them" - Albert Einstein[/i]
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Igloo,
It's my opinion that Cheney can get Bush up to speed on international issues...
...but Lieberman can't make Gore honest.
The following is an example of "Gore" on the horns of a delimna:
Both Bush and Gore were asked the same question:
"If a pregnant woman were on death row and her day of execution arrived, would you execute her?"
BUSH answered immediately: "Absolutely not. It would be wrong to harm an innocent life."
GORE, who is pro-abortion, had to think a bit, realising that if he answered "No" that it would amount to admitting that the life of an unborn fetus is sacred. Gore's answer?
"Let me think about this interesting question and get back with you."
I ask you, is this the grit and substance that a President is made of?
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[This message has been edited by Gunthr (edited 10-09-2000).]
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Ok Igloo, first of all since you are Canadian......ahh forget it.
Secondly I'll requote you.... Without being biased...snip.....
Personally, I was suprised Bush didn't pass out or stand there drooling. But I do think Gore won , same with his vice.
Jeez if thats not biased then I better relook that word up in the dictionary again.
Well seeing how you are a Canadian I guess I'll just overlook the fact that you know zip about Bush. Lets see.... Bush couldn't count the toes on a tadpole, has no international experience
being that he is the governer of Texas he has to deal with another Country all the time. His relationship with Mexico is very good. He could probably figure out a solution to fix the illegal immigration we now have in Texas California, etc. Gore on the other hand would probably start giving them welfare and the ability to vote so that they would vote democratic. Actually there is a investigation on this very matter right now.
You want to talk about his immature references about the internet,and the calculator. Well that shows how "unbiased" you really are. ALGORE CLAIMED HE INVENTED THE INTERNET!!!! This is not a myth, not a vast right wing conspiracy, not some propaganda!!! You want to talk about immature? What about all those sighs, and shuffling of paper from ALGORE while Bush was speaking? You want to lnow another thing? The Communist Party of New York has thrown in their hat of support for ALGORE. Yeah we will all be better off with him president. Hope you learn to speak Chinese very soon!!!!
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Gunthr, it was a nicce setup, nice trap. And, I think it is good to take a pause to reflect before you answer a question. A friend of mine has 30 second breaks after just about any question you ask him.
"You wanna go to McDonalds"
<silence>
"Yes, that would be good"
During the silence, he's thought about whether he can afford it, whether it messes up any plans he has and whatnot. A bit irritating and weird at first, but his answers are always well structured and intelligent.
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StSanta
9./JG 54 "Gr黱herz"
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Umm, do you know what biased means? Biased is when you base your opinion on already pre-established beliefs and associations.
Just because I believe Gore won, does not mean that I believe Gore won just because I like him more. That would be biased.
Bush can get up to speed with international issues? He is running for president! He should already be up to speed.
Gore did say he invented the internet, but everyone knows that what he meant is that he brought the internet into Washington and into the classrooms and homes across america. Bush knew this, yet made the ignorant, broken statement regarding same. Gores numbers were not "fuzzy", Bush just can't add.
It really doesn't matter to me who you elect. You will elect the man whom you feel best represents America. If that man happends to be George Bush....oh boy.
BTW, my being Canadian does not mean I do not understand the issues. Most Canadians, and citizens of other counties, follow world issues in other nations. Most americans, no offence intended, don't know what the capital of Canada is and think the capital of Australia is Sydney. So, I do understand where your comment comes from. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Squadron Leader, Igloo.
C/O RCAF 411 Squadron - County of York (http://www.trueorigins.net/411rcaf)
"Problems cannot be solved with the same awareness that created them" - Albert Einstein[/i]
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StSanta, I'm glad you appreciate the beauty of Gore's delimna in that example. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
It was a shrewd media person who asked the question. I agree it may have been a bit of a trap for Gore, a "damned if you do, damed if you don't" situation.
Still.... after Gore has had time to think about it, what do you think Gore's answer to that question would be today? Yes? Or No?
The way Gore answered that question tells me that he has no principles to guide his path. If he did, he wouldn't have to "think" about whether or not he should execute a pregnant woman.
I agree that one should think before they speak...to a point.
Liberalism vs Conservatism aside for a moment, we elect a President to make decisions based on principles. Gore doesn't have principles, and his decisions will be based on what he thinks people want to hear. I find that lack of credibility disturbing.
Aside from that, I'm dead set against just about everything in Gore's liberal agenda.
Ahh well, to each his own.
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Actually igloo he really did (at the time mind you) try to take credit for INVENTING the internet. Not bringing it into Washington, classroom, etc. As far as Bush goes, I neither like nor dilike him, Mcain will be president in 4 years anyways, probably will have a better chance of it if ALGORE get elected this go around.
我希望你学会中文 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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The biggest thing that came out to me re: the presidential debate was how rude and obnoxious Gore was. I couldn't believe how he acted on national TV! How he didn't want to follow the rules that he agreed to!
Guess there was "no controlling legal authority" and therefore he could do anything he wanted.
Neither candidate impresses me much, but Gore lost any chance for my vote that night. The only reason I will vote in November is to keep the carpetbagger (Hillary) out of office.
Sour
[This message has been edited by sourkraut (edited 10-10-2000).]
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LOL, figures. I think Hillary would make one of the best presidents ever in the history of the U.S.
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Squadron Leader, Igloo.
C/O RCAF 411 Squadron - County of York (http://www.trueorigins.net/411rcaf)
"Problems cannot be solved with the same awareness that created them" - Albert Einstein[/i]
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ROFL!
Igloo - Please Stay In Canada!
I mean you can visit, but don't emigrate!
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Whew!
Thank got igloo is in Canada! And thanks for that last statement about Hillary Igloo I was starting to take you seriously until that. hehehe Glad you know so much about my Govenor. Can you tell me anything he's done since he's been govenor? He's got more foriegn policy under his belt than dealing with Mexico too. Texas has a couple of international ports you know, lot's of worldwide business going on in this the 2nd largest state in the US of A. That may be hard for you to grasp but it's true (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
DUDE Gore is VP under what he calls the "best president in history" with a wonderful economy low inflation all that good stuff, plus he has 90% of the media on his side lieing about Bush and he still can't get a lead. The man is a LOSER plain and simple. He's the idiot, not Bush. I just hope they keep with the same playbook. They've used it since 1994 and it's got just 1 play in it. Lie about your apponent and demonize him say he wants to kill old people and starve children. Maybe just maybe the people have woken up to this tactic...
udie
udie
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Why would Hillary make a bad pres?
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Squadron Leader, Igloo.
C/O RCAF 411 Squadron - County of York (http://www.trueorigins.net/411rcaf)
"Problems cannot be solved with the same awareness that created them" - Albert Einstein[/i]
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Originally posted by Igloo:
Why would Hillary make a bad pres?
Igloo
This is so absurb it doesn't require a response. Get a grip, get a life and grow up.
Me thinks you don't believe half of what you post, ur just a sh*t stir'r.
Eagler
[This message has been edited by Eagler (edited 10-10-2000).]
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Igloo,
You obviously do not read your own posts. You claim to be open minded yet trash other people without actually reading or understanding what they are saying. You just condemn them for having an opinion different from your own.
Your first post in this thread was a classic. You claim you are unbiased yet surprised that Bush wasn't drooling?!?!?! That is supposed to be your idea of non bias?!?!?!?!
BTW dyslexia is not a mental illness. It has no bearing on a persons ability to reason or give thought to a problem. It is a reading disability that causes those with it to transpose other digits / letters into words they read or write. It has nothing to do with reasoning or ability to recall things or make decisions.
It also does not cause a person to make untrue statements. Like inventing the internet, going to school while on a farm (no farms in DC), listening to a union song as a lulaby (when he was 27!.) You really need to look at a very recent (Sept. or Oct.) issue of News and World Report for some of Gores most obvious verbal blunders about his memory. This guy is living on some other planet.
Now somehow the inability to determine fantasy from reality makes Gore fit for office?!?!?!?! That must be a liberal trait as you seem to suffer from it too.
If you like Hillary, invite her to live in Canada. SOON PLEASE!!!!!
Mav
[This message has been edited by Maverick (edited 10-10-2000).]
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Once again, I'll ask. Why would Hillary make a bad pres?
Who said dyslexia was a mental illness? I certianly did not. What I did say was that it sometimes causes problems with speech and your ability to be articulate off the top of your head.. This is why CNN asked him.
Just because I have an opinion does not mean I am biased. Being biased, as I have already explained, is basing your opinion on an already pre-established belief. I did not do that. Just because you want Bush to win, does not mean you have to say Bush won the debate.
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Squadron Leader, Igloo.
C/O RCAF 411 Squadron - County of York (http://www.trueorigins.net/411rcaf)
"Problems cannot be solved with the same awareness that created them" - Albert Einstein[/i]
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Igloo this is getting funnier and funnier the more you post. You ask, why would hillary make a bad president? Screw that!! WHY WOULD SHE MAKE A GOOD PRESIDENT?? Her biggest goal during her husbands blue dress stained tenure in the white house was medicare. She failed miserably. Anything she has touched has gone to toejam in a handbasket. So I ask YOU. Why would she make a good president??
Udie, thank god you posted here. I thought I was the only one who can wipe the crap out of my eyes that the liberals are trying to feed us.
Igloo, if you are for big government, taxation, power being taken away from the people and given to the government. Well then you can have that type of government. That is not what the USA is about. Read this part carefully.
Our government here in the USA is designed to work for the people. Not to control our lives by telling us what we can or cannot think or do. ALGORE'S vision is the closest thing to SOCIALISM that Ive seen in a long time.
Also, as a little sidenote....Have you ever read the Unibomber's manifesto? Well read that, then read ALGORE'S book. If you really are as unbiased as you say you are. You might begin to think if the same person wrote both of them.
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Igloo,
Your "open mindedness" is about as valid as Clinton's fidelity, ethics, veracity and personal courage.
Let me translate that for you.
Add it all up and it equals 0.
Mav
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I think Igloo has been in the cold too long. His brain is frozen (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
As I stated earlier, his BS is posted to rile not deliberate. Some crave attention in whatever form they can get it...
Eagler
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LOL, oh yes Eagler, that is my intention. Don't flatter yourself.
I'm not saying Gore is great. He isn't. Gore is just better than Bush. Both could handle internal problems, the framework for those dealings have already been established. Gore, in my opinion is better suited for international affairs that deal with very complex matters.
Label me liberal or whatever you will, I really don't care. Why label people to begin with?
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I'd be willing to bet that the last thing on Gore's mind is international affairs, unless it's how to tax foriegn countries. He realy needs this election. He's waited his whole life for this. If he doesn't get elected his whole life was for nothing. He's been preparing for this since he was a child growing up in a hotel in Washington D.C. That's what motivates him, I believe.
Personaly I'm more concerned with the possible 3 supreme court nominee's and their interpretation of the constitution. Gore doesn't need to pick those. He needs to be as far away from that as possible. Those people will be ruling over us for a LONG time. Americans have a choice next month. Do we want socialism or capatolism. Though if Gore wins it may not matter, provided the Republicans keep control of the house and senate they would probobly be able to stop him from doing to much damage to our way of life, hopefuly.
Beyond all that though remains the 1 true fact. Gore is a LIAR and has spent the last 8 years telling LIES to the American people. Thank God he's not as good a LIAR as Clinton.......
Udie
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Guys remember to attack the post and not the post-er. No need to get personal.
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hehe I'm trying not to Funked (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) I don't think I said anything too personal anyway.
BTW, notice how none of this was discussed at the con? Man it was awesome not thinking polotics for 4 days.
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Let's see what happens tonite. How it turns personal and nasty (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Bet ur bottom dollar Gore's people reamed him for his off camera body lang. I heard him tell a reporter he was told that the camera would not be on the candidate who was not being questioned. Guess he thought the mike would be off too. What an answer! Just wish Bush was as good a speaker as his father.
Eagler
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Udie just because my post was under yours doesn't mean I was pointing a finger at you. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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I just wish they would drop the "real people testimonials" (most of which turn out to be incorrect anyway). Remember the girl that couldn't sit because of lack of school funding? My god if you're going to use real examples at least take the time to see that they are true.
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Fatty,
I demand that you stop reading my post! I want the image you have of me to be that of a drunk trying to find a buddy to drink tequilla with! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
BTW, I have a job interview this Friday in Austin (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Udie
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Heh, Udie, I fell asleep before I got that far down. Oops?
btw give holler if you're overnight Friday. I can't go out til later, but chances are good I'd be game for a beer or dozen.
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wow I just noticed something. All the conservatives on this board read Igloo's first post on this thread. Pay attention to the quote in his signature. That one quote says it all (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Udie
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It sure does. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Squadron Leader, Igloo.
C/O RCAF 411 Squadron - County of York (http://www.trueorigins.net/411rcaf)
"Problems cannot be solved with the same awareness that created them" - Albert Einstein[/i]
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Now, c'mon, you cannot say Bush even came close in this last debate. Have you seen a transcript yet? Kinda funny.
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Squadron Leader, Igloo.
C/O RCAF 411 Squadron - County of York (http://www.trueorigins.net/411rcaf)
"Problems cannot be solved with the same awareness that created them" - Albert Einstein[/i]
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Bush did something right at the last debate. He's ahead in the polls and will be through the election, I do believe (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Eagler
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Which polls would that be?
CNN has them neck and neck. I think Bush showed how capable he is acting under pressure. Nervous giggles, mixing up words, using wrong words, stumbling over his words, avoiding questions, etc. Go ahead and elect him. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Igloo you can restate the same thing as many times as you like, and all you will convince people of at this point (given the general bias opening this thread) is that if you squint your eyes hard enough you can see anything.
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Originally posted by Igloo:
Which polls would that be?
CNN has them neck and neck. I think Bush showed how capable he is acting under pressure. Nervous giggles, mixing up words, using wrong words, stumbling over his words, avoiding questions, etc. Go ahead and elect him. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
hehe CNN (Clinton News Network) now that's funny. Every poll I've seen has Bush ahead by at least 2 points some around 4 points and I think 1 at about 8 points. ALL of them, the polls I've heard on the news, have Bush in the lead. Now most are within the margin of error + - 3 pointst, but some are higher than that.
I heard on Rush today that Rolling Stone's next issue has Gore on the cover, and well evidently they airbrushed the picture. They didn't make him look younger by brushing out lines on the face, or thinner by brushing out any love handles. They brushed in a biggger, er...ummm "package" on the right side of his crotch. OH MAN!!!! how pathetic is that? They were talking about this on "The View" this morning, Rush played some exerpts from their show. All I can say is that it's realy sad. Most of the women on that show were all over themselves and just loved it, even knowing it was airbrushed in. Now granted 90% of them were liberals, and some about 10% did boo, but the other 90% just crowed even louder. The Rolling Stone cover will simply point out that everything about Algore is fake, everything.
I will now revert to my former statement...
AL GORE IS A LOSER plain and simple.
And tomarow I go do my part to prove that true (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Gotta love early voting, I just can't wait 3 weeks. Thank God I'm moving next week and get to vote early (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) I'm about to explode with excitement.
Udie
Hey Fatty,
email me dude smcnulty@houston.rr.com