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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: meddog on April 17, 2006, 10:48:22 AM
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I'm not going to complain about having an eny restriction but I will complain about how it's implemented in what I think alot of people (mostly knights) feel is unfair or doesnt make any sense. Here is an example from last night. At a point when the Rooks out numbered the Knights by 70 and the Bish out numbered the Knights by 50, the eny restriction for Rooks was 2.7 and the Bish was 0.0. Not much of a limiter considering the huge number disparity IMO. I thought the whole purpose of the eny restrictions was to try and balance out the game play by restricting aircraft availability when there were large number disparities or does that only apply to the Knights?
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yup it sucks
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Originally posted by Meatwad
yup it sucks
Yup. :furious
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ENY sucks all the way around. You can argue it balances sides, but as you can see from all the posts, it doesnt work very well in that reguard, and you end up anoying a good portion of your loyal customer base. When AH stoped rewarding success and instead began punishing you for it, the game changed, and not for the better. Strategic thinking, and long term planing is gone, we now have nothing but isolated skirmishes, but the whines and complaints remain steady from those who feel they arnt being given enough of an advantage.
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Idea: If one side outnumbers the low side by x%, then the map will be reset in 5/10 minutes with no winner being declared.
This would eliminate the horde's goal and give players enough time to balance the arena.
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Originally posted by Karnak
Idea: If one side outnumbers the low side by x%, then the map will be reset in 5/10 minutes with no winner being declared.
This would eliminate the horde's goal and give players enough time to balance the arena.
Another idea to punish those who play well and reward those who dont....if you start to lose, log off for a few minutes and force a reset. The issue is that when you start to win the war, without reguard to how many players you have -vs- the enemy, they will start to log off, and you will end up with an insane high punative NME because of nothing more than playing well.
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Rather than impose EMY, turn the arena settings to dusk/dawn....that makes more folks log :D
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Originally posted by ALF
Another idea to punish those who play well and reward those who dont....if you start to lose, log off for a few minutes and force a reset. The issue is that when you start to win the war, without reguard to how many players you have -vs- the enemy, they will start to log off, and you will end up with an insane high punative NME because of nothing more than playing well.
Change "play well" to "have numbers" and your spot on.:aok
Bronk
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Crank the perk multipler... If you're making 10-20 points per kill, I'm sure that'd be incintive to change!
I mean - it's about incintives and payola right?......if it wasn't - there'd be no border issues. :D
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Originally posted by Bronk
Change "play well" to "have numbers" and your spot on.:aok
Its nice to know you dont think that having ability, talent, organization and drive means nothing. :huh
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Alf I am not questioning individual talent. Log on 9-11 pm est Sundays and tell me what you see.
Bronk
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Originally posted by meddog
I'm not going to complain about having an eny restriction but I will complain about how it's implemented in what I think alot of people (mostly knights) feel is unfair or doesnt make any sense. Here is an example from last night. At a point when the Rooks out numbered the Knights by 70 and the Bish out numbered the Knights by 50, the eny restriction for Rooks was 2.7 and the Bish was 0.0. Not much of a limiter considering the huge number disparity IMO. I thought the whole purpose of the eny restrictions was to try and balance out the game play by restricting aircraft availability when there were large number disparities or does that only apply to the Knights?
BISH ENY was 40 tonight just so you know.
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even with ENY that high, bish still had WAY high numbers advantage (even though they were about to reset the nits. ENY limiter dont really deter anyone, might be better off to disabling the ENY limiter. Might make the game more fun
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Only people to blame are the Knit country jumpers.
NEVER seen Bish with that many players, and a lot of them I didn't even recognise.
All honesty Knits were hosed once they lost A30 and their dar, then suddenly our numbers jumped way up.
So look to yourselves, you know who jumped ship.
Meatwad - I was ENY'd and no I don't think it should be disabled, would have given us WAY too much an advantage.
Was kinda fun killing 1944/5 planes in a Hurri 2c of DOOM.
Meddog - The time at which ENY kicks in is a % of the MA numbers. Therefore the more numbers that are on overall, the difference has to be bigger.
Preferred it the old way - Kicked in earlier but more gradually, but too many complained about it. With average MA numbers it seems to start at around 40-50 players extra.
One deterrence (maybe) - You have to be on a country for 12hrs (or something) to get perk points on a reset?
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I think eny should effect ord load out for jabos.
Loose 1000lb ers then 500 ... ect ...ect ... till no ords for fighter aircraft.
Bronk
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Originally posted by meddog
I'm not going to complain about having an eny restriction but I will complain about how it's implemented in what I think alot of people (mostly knights) feel is unfair or doesnt make any sense. Here is an example from last night. At a point when the Rooks out numbered the Knights by 70 and the Bish out numbered the Knights by 50, the eny restriction for Rooks was 2.7 and the Bish was 0.0. Not much of a limiter considering the huge number disparity IMO. I thought the whole purpose of the eny restrictions was to try and balance out the game play by restricting aircraft availability when there were large number disparities or does that only apply to the Knights?
the day you talkin about Rooks were hurtin from ENY badly we could not even up lancs at one point could only fly P40Bs and Spit MK1 thats a 60 eny planes. the P40B has 2 50cals and 3 30cals and the spit mk1 has 303s who was hurtin not the nits. they could up 262s at a cost of a dime. all tho i did not mind fight in a P40B nice plane to build perk points in and not a bad fighter turns nice. the nits could up tigers bish or rooks could not and the knights used that to their advantage. so dont tell me it was not fair you had every plane on the roster we had 5 after a while. and 3 gvs to chose from you should not be complaining and i dont know how you got your info or from who but it was false.
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To summarize:
Whaaaaaa, I can only fly lala16s
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Originally posted by Bronk
I think eny should effect ord load out for jabos.
Loose 1000lb ers then 500 ... ect ...ect ... till no ords for fighter aircraft.
Bronk
I think this is worth a try.
Will be met with stiff whining, but oh well, just get in some divebombing Lancs :)
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Originally posted by KaTnIp
the day you talkin about Rooks were hurtin from ENY badly we could not even up lancs at one point could only fly P40Bs and Spit MK1 thats a 60 eny planes. the P40B has 2 50cals and 3 30cals and the spit mk1 has 303s who was hurtin not the nits. they could up 262s at a cost of a dime. all tho i did not mind fight in a P40B nice plane to build perk points in and not a bad fighter turns nice. the nits could up tigers bish or rooks could not and the knights used that to their advantage. so dont tell me it was not fair you had every plane on the roster we had 5 after a while. and 3 gvs to chose from you should not be complaining and i dont know how you got your info or from who but it was false.
I think Meddog was complaining about the Bish.
It sounds like the ENY limiter was working perfectly for Rooks (and FYI...I'm a rook).
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One change I'd make -
Panzers and Osties should always be available.
As it stands if ord is down on base and ENY is high there is very little you can do against a big Tiger raid.
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Originally posted by Meatwad
even with ENY that high, bish still had WAY high numbers advantage (even though they were about to reset the nits. ENY limiter dont really deter anyone, might be better off to disabling the ENY limiter. Might make the game more fun
But the knits could just up 262s and spits 16s. Someone told me 262s were around 100 perks. If we were down 100 people I would have no problem useing a few 262s to defend.
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Originally posted by viper215
But the knits could just up 262s and spits 16s. Someone told me 262s were around 100 perks. If we were down 100 people I would have no problem useing a few 262s to defend.
Yep, 128 when I checked. I upped 3, lost 1
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i was upping tempest at 21-23 perks a pop.
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Originally posted by Kev367th
One change I'd make -
Panzers and Osties should always be available.
As it stands if ord is down on base and ENY is high there is very little you can do against a big Tiger raid.
Yea thats one of the only problems eny goes over 35 panzers and ostis gone. And its hard to defend a field with m16s when its capped.
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When eny 1st came out a few of us toyed with the idea of logging onto another country for the durration to hose over thier NME....,...if the Bish NME was 40....sounds like some people did just that :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by ALF
When eny 1st came out a few of us toyed with the idea of logging onto another country for the durration to hose over thier NME....,...if the Bish NME was 40....sounds like some people did just that :rolleyes:
Actually I seen a lot of 'new' Bish flying that night, so rather than swapping to 'hose' the ENY, I guess they did it for the reset perks.
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Originally posted by Kev367th
One change I'd make -
Panzers and Osties should always be available.
As it stands if ord is down on base and ENY is high there is very little you can do against a big Tiger raid.
my god yes i agree and they know we cant up panzers so they do lots of tiger raids.
Kev367th
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Originally posted by ALF
When eny 1st came out a few of us toyed with the idea of logging onto another country for the durration to hose over thier NME....,...if the Bish NME was 40....sounds like some people did just that
Actually I seen a lot of 'new' Bish flying that night, so rather than swapping to 'hose' the ENY, I guess they did it for the reset perks.
this is true Kev alot of people do still switch sides for rest perkies dont understand tho its not alot of points.