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Title: German Air Power
Post by: joeblogs on April 17, 2006, 09:11:36 PM: Funny I could swear at least one of those pics was in Green's book from 30 years ago.

-Blogs
Title: German Air Power
Post by: Shifty on April 19, 2006, 06:36:08 AM: Hang on he's about to start up again.

http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=176005
Title: Re: German Air Power
Post by: Bruno on April 19, 2006, 02:28:39 PM: Quote
Originally posted by joeblogs
Funny I could swear at least one of those pics was in Green's book from 30 years ago.

-Blogs

All those pictures he posted in thast other thread were in other publications and can be found on many different websites. All he did was snag them off the web and post them as his own.

I guess his motivation was his inability to back up his claim that in a 'conversation' he had with Hartmann when he (AP)was 13 years old Hartmann specifically told him (AP) that all the 109s Hartmann flew in combat had the tulip nose. Hartmann also told him (AP) that he (Hartmann) flew combat in Emil and Fritz despite having not been assigned to a combat squadron until Oct '42 (7./JG52). Hartmann's first kill claim came on 5 Nov '42 while flying a G-2.

When I asked how his recollection was so clear he then claimed to have the 'conversation' on video. I asked him to summarize the 'conversation' or better yet post the video. After all a lot of folks would be interested in such a 'conversation' since it contradicts most other sources on Hartmann. I pointed out that if he didn't have a place to host the video that many a web site would gladly host it for him, giving him credit.

However, his response was to start a new thread about a different subject claiming ownership of the images in question. I also asked him his age and where and when his conversation with Hartmann took place. He refused to answer.
Title: German Air Power
Post by: Krusty on April 19, 2006, 06:34:31 PM: I bet he owns (owned?) his own P51 as well....
Title: German Air Power
Post by: Bronk on April 19, 2006, 11:21:18 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Krusty
I bet he owns (owned?) his own P51 as well....

A scorpion bite might explain APs postings.

Bronk
Title: German Air Power
Post by: Angus on April 20, 2006, 02:57:38 AM: So is the Tulip nose a myth?

(It's cool anyway)
Title: German Air Power
Post by: Shifty on April 20, 2006, 07:12:50 AM: No, usually there are two lips below each nose.:D
Title: German Air Power
Post by: Bruno on April 20, 2006, 08:56:21 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Angus
So is the Tulip nose a myth?

(It's cool anyway)

No, Its only a myth if you assume that every plane Hartmann ever flew in combat had them. Which isn't the case. Nor did Hartmann fly Emil or Fritz in combat.
Title: German Air Power
Post by: Angus on April 28, 2006, 04:26:46 AM: OK, so he had it on one or more Gustav for a while right?
Title: German Air Power
Post by: Debonair on April 28, 2006, 06:02:52 AM: on his F-86 too
(http://www.virtualpilots.fi/hist/kuvat/ww2history-erichhartmann4.jpg)
Title: German Air Power
Post by: Angus on April 28, 2006, 01:33:47 PM: NICE!!
Title: German Air Power
Post by: Krusty on April 28, 2006, 02:23:42 PM: Too bad that F-86 never saw combat. He kept it in his garage and just showed it to Hitler once or twice when he visited. Hitler wouldn't allow it to be used in combat, instead insisting it be used for crop dusting, as the Reich needed crops more than it needed interceptors.
Title: German Air Power
Post by: Shifty on April 28, 2006, 05:02:54 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Krusty
Too bad that F-86 never saw combat. He kept it in his garage and just showed it to Hitler once or twice when he visited. Hitler wouldn't allow it to be used in combat, instead insisting it be used for crop dusting, as the Reich needed crops more than it needed interceptors.

I'm sure he was refering the the F86s the post war Luftwaffe flew. I think the whole squadron Hartman commanded flew with the black tulips on their F86's
Title: German Air Power
Post by: Jester on April 28, 2006, 06:47:50 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Shifty
I'm sure he was refering the the F86s the post war Luftwaffe flew. I think the whole squadron Hartman commanded flew with the black tulips on their F86's

They Did.

Squadron (actually closer to a Combat Wing) was JG 71 "RICHTHOFEN" which was known as JG 2 during WW2.

(http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/1559/tulip4iw.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

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Title: that's odd
Post by: joeblogs on April 28, 2006, 06:52:00 PM: I thought my note was in someone else's thread.

My apologies if I inadvertantly started another post.

-blogs
Title: Re: that's odd
Post by: Shifty on April 28, 2006, 07:57:47 PM: Quote
Originally posted by joeblogs
I thought my note was in someone else's thread.

My apologies if I inadvertantly started another post.

-blogs

No problem Joe, it gave us something to hijack.:aok

Way to cover my six Jester!:D
Title: German Air Power
Post by: Debonair on April 29, 2006, 12:08:02 AM: I thought that was 2 posts by the same guy.
u 2 look alike
Title: German Air Power
Post by: Shifty on April 29, 2006, 09:07:36 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Debonair
I thought that was 2 posts by the same guy.
u 2 look alike
:rofl
Title: German Air Power
Post by: Jester on April 29, 2006, 01:01:55 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Debonair
I thought that was 2 posts by the same guy.
u 2 look alike

Nah - even though he is my wingie - I am still better looking. :D

Besides - he is from T-E-X-A-S. :rolleyes: